Would you take Tufts, Emory, Wash U over UVA?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PP: Oops on the UVA numbers, but given that the average nationally known state flagship has 30k or more, 16-17k is still relatively small.

So what? It's objectively large.

lol. I think you need to look up the definition of "objectively." Which institution of incredible intellect and discourse did you attend?

Lol.....you're an imbecile, congratulations. If the average size of a student body is 6k and VA public state school is 16k than it is objectively large. Do you see how that works?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:well, none of the schools on this list are SLACs, so...

but the guy who supposedly settled the debate said the SLAC he went to wasn't better than UVA where he taught.

so he's...wrong? You know better then his own experience?

How do you not understand that PP's irrelevant anecdote adds nothing to the conversation other than worthless noise?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:well, none of the schools on this list are SLACs, so...

but the guy who supposedly settled the debate said the SLAC he went to wasn't better than UVA where he taught.

so he's...wrong? You know better then his own experience?

No, just pointing out some limitations to his perspective--we all have blindspots and it was just funny for someone to offer up this one perspective as definitive after people had discussed so many different aspects. The fact is his own schooling got him to where he is, which is an elite position. I have nothing against UVA/W&M and actually have been one of the people arguing in their favor--just found this bit amusing.

Not definitive, just one guy's perspective. But the prof was in a good position to judge given his range of experience (which included watching students from UVA going off to top graduate programs like the one he attended). I value his perspective on this question far more than the average DCUM poster.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PP: Oops on the UVA numbers, but given that the average nationally known state flagship has 30k or more, 16-17k is still relatively small.

So what? It's objectively large.

lol. I think you need to look up the definition of "objectively." Which institution of incredible intellect and discourse did you attend?

Lol.....you're an imbecile, congratulations. If the average size of a student body is 6k and VA public state school is 16k than it is objectively large. Do you see how that works?

NP: Nope, large is always a relative term not an objective term. GMU, Virginia Tech and James Madison all have larger undergraduate populations than UVA so it's not even a large public school for the state.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:well, none of the schools on this list are SLACs, so...

but the guy who supposedly settled the debate said the SLAC he went to wasn't better than UVA where he taught.

so he's...wrong? You know better then his own experience?

No, just pointing out some limitations to his perspective--we all have blindspots and it was just funny for someone to offer up this one perspective as definitive after people had discussed so many different aspects. The fact is his own schooling got him to where he is, which is an elite position. I have nothing against UVA/W&M and actually have been one of the people arguing in their favor--just found this bit amusing.

Not definitive, just one guy's perspective. But the prof was in a good position to judge given his range of experience (which included watching students from UVA going off to top graduate programs like the one he attended). I value his perspective on this question far more than the average DCUM poster.

You value what some guy said on the internet. Cool. Hey, I’m a professor and you’re an idiot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PP: Oops on the UVA numbers, but given that the average nationally known state flagship has 30k or more, 16-17k is still relatively small.

So what? It's objectively large.

lol. I think you need to look up the definition of "objectively." Which institution of incredible intellect and discourse did you attend?

Lol.....you're an imbecile, congratulations. If the average size of a student body is 6k and VA public state school is 16k than it is objectively large. Do you see how that works?

NP: Nope, large is always a relative term not an objective term. GMU, Virginia Tech and James Madison all have larger undergraduate populations than UVA so it's not even a large public school for the state.

Yes, because at JMU is saying, “gosh, UVA is so much smaller than JMU.”

They’re all state schools that are large and impersonal. True story, bro.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:well, none of the schools on this list are SLACs, so...

but the guy who supposedly settled the debate said the SLAC he went to wasn't better than UVA where he taught.

so he's...wrong? You know better then his own experience?

No, just pointing out some limitations to his perspective--we all have blindspots and it was just funny for someone to offer up this one perspective as definitive after people had discussed so many different aspects. The fact is his own schooling got him to where he is, which is an elite position. I have nothing against UVA/W&M and actually have been one of the people arguing in their favor--just found this bit amusing.

Not definitive, just one guy's perspective. But the prof was in a good position to judge given his range of experience (which included watching students from UVA going off to top graduate programs like the one he attended). I value his perspective on this question far more than the average DCUM poster.

You value what some guy said on the internet. Cool. Hey, I’m a professor and you’re an idiot.

No, I spoke with him. It was my classmate, not some guy on the internet.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:well, none of the schools on this list are SLACs, so...

but the guy who supposedly settled the debate said the SLAC he went to wasn't better than UVA where he taught.

so he's...wrong? You know better then his own experience?

How do you not understand that PP's irrelevant anecdote adds nothing to the conversation other than worthless noise?

lol. DCUM is so funny. You bring up what's cited in the literature (for kids who are smart enough to get into elites, it doesn't really matter where they go)...nope, that doesn't matter. You bring up the objective - average salary is pretty much the exact same across all of these schools...you state school fools just don't get it, it's not about the salary! You claim it's all about the intangibles...but then when someone brings up the intangibles from someone who lives/lived it...oh no, that's just "noise."

[Anonymous]

85% of classes at UVA have less than 50 students.

[Anonymous]

The posters who are against UVA do not seem to have any particular or personal knowledge about the other schools listed. Instead, most of these posters seem incredibly negative and nasty about the reference point – UVA. Your tone and attitude speak volumes about you, rather than adding to a discussion about the options.

[Anonymous]

I don't think the reputations of the institutions here will make much difference at all. If you could find good data on law school matriculation by undergraduate institution, you might find that there are more Wash U grads (on a percentage basis) than UVA or W&M grads at top law schools. But, if that is the case, the likely reason would be that the Wash U applicant scored a bit higher on LSAT, which in turn is highly correlated with SAT scores. Wash U grads scored 164.05 on the LSAT for a recent year, vs. 160.84 for UVA and 161.18 for W&M. (Tufts is 164.48 and Emory is 160.64). This data is from the LSAC.

The bottom line is if your kid can score 167 on the LSAT, I don't really think it would make any difference if their degree came from any of these schools (assuming same GPAs).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't think the reputations of the institutions here will make much difference at all. If you could find good data on law school matriculation by undergraduate institution, you might find that there are more Wash U grads (on a percentage basis) than UVA or W&M grads at top law schools. But, if that is the case, the likely reason would be that the Wash U applicant scored a bit higher on LSAT, which in turn is highly correlated with SAT scores. Wash U grads scored 164.05 on the LSAT for a recent year, vs. 160.84 for UVA and 161.18 for W&M. (Tufts is 164.48 and Emory is 160.64). This data is from the LSAC.

The bottom line is if your kid can score 167 on the LSAT, I don't really think it would make any difference if their degree came from any of these schools (assuming same GPAs).

Typical DCUM to view everything through the lens of a lawyer. Here’s a newsflash for you......any intelligent kid with an ounce of creativity or entrepreneurial spirit isn’t going into the law. Only soulless, mindless automatons choose that profession.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The posters who are against UVA do not seem to have any particular or personal knowledge about the other schools listed. Instead, most of these posters seem incredibly negative and nasty about the reference point – UVA. Your tone and attitude speak volumes about you, rather than adding to a discussion about the options.

That’s because we know UVA well. We’ve gone there as students or have sent kids. It’s not a mystery.

What UVA boosters can’t take is any criticism whatsoever. Or, understand why students would choose to go somewhere else.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't think the reputations of the institutions here will make much difference at all. If you could find good data on law school matriculation by undergraduate institution, you might find that there are more Wash U grads (on a percentage basis) than UVA or W&M grads at top law schools. But, if that is the case, the likely reason would be that the Wash U applicant scored a bit higher on LSAT, which in turn is highly correlated with SAT scores. Wash U grads scored 164.05 on the LSAT for a recent year, vs. 160.84 for UVA and 161.18 for W&M. (Tufts is 164.48 and Emory is 160.64). This data is from the LSAC.

The bottom line is if your kid can score 167 on the LSAT, I don't really think it would make any difference if their degree came from any of these schools (assuming same GPAs).

Typical DCUM to view everything through the lens of a lawyer. Here’s a newsflash for you......any intelligent kid with an ounce of creativity or entrepreneurial spirit isn’t going into the law. Only soulless, mindless automatons choose that profession.

But perhaps they were just being responsive to the original question.

[Anonymous]

William and Mary is probably more similar in size and feel to Washington University, Tufts, and Emory if that is what he wants. UVA is great if he wants a larger school, different experience. Perhaps schools like Duke, Columbia, Princeton, etc. would provide more opportunities, but I'm not convinced your private alternatives will. Perhaps focus on that level as reach.