I am so sick of boy-mom sh*T

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Anonymous wrote:My friend has four boys and she’ll #boymom on occasion. It’s meant to be lighthearted, and those boys have excellent manners.
She is absolutely desperate for a girl. They are considering IVF for gender selection. I suspect most of the #boymoms are deeply longing for girls, so we should be kind.

I don't know one #boymom that wished for a girl.. especially once middle school hits.

It's like missing a bullet.

Yep. They are all a little sad about not getting a girl. It’s not a mystery. Also, I’m not sure what world you guys a living in where middle school boys are a breeze. Silly stuff.

I have all boys and have never used the phrase BOYMOM in my life prior to this post, but the fact that you and other posters have apparently decided that moms of boys must be sad about not having girls makes me want to cheer on the people who use it. Honestly the only time I ever think about having all boys is when some all girl mom asks me in a fake tone of sympathy whether I am going "try for a girl." It's so obnoxious.

DP, but if you don't self-identify as a #boymom, then this thread isn't directed at you, whether you have all boys or not. Plenty of moms of only boys love having boys, don't call themselves boymoms, and are reasonable. But seriously, have you not heard of people asking moms of all girls whether they're going to "try for a boy?" It goes both ways.

Why women who don't have daughters think they're qualified to opine on how different it is than raising sons is beyond me. But I'm sick of the laziness at best and misogyny at worst that #boymom represents.

I'm PP and in my friend group, the difference in how moms of all girls are treated with respect to having a boy is different enough from what happens to the all boy moms that we've talked about it. All (and I mean every single boy mom) has has multiple encounters like I have, the syrupy-sweet fake pity for not having girls from girl moms. It happens the other way, but rarely.

This is born out in surveys, by the way. Americans prefer baby girls in general. Sex selection is done more often for girls. It is a thing, and you pretending it doesn't happen is obnoxious.

I will also say that I had never thought much about BOYMOM before this thread but the reaction of you and other posters like you makes me want to cheer them on.

Can you cite that source? I've never heard that before.

DP. I heard that in a sociology class.

So, no actually facts to back this random statement, just "you heard it" somewhere. Um, ok.

DP. Literally the first hit on Google when I search for American sex preference in babies is this article:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/05/upshot/americans-might-no-longer-prefer-sons-over-daughters.html

There are other academic links too but I am on my phone and can't really get through them. But it looks like about thirty seconds of research could answer your question. Did you try that?

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Anonymous wrote:Look people-don’t be stupid. #boymom is used to keep our sanity in a world where moms of boys deal with constant pressure to make their boys “behave”, “reign it in”, or whatever. Things like personal hygiene, table manners, indoor voices, are just not as easy to teach to boys as it is to the *majority* of little girls, of course there are exceptions. But you just don’t need to exercise little girls like you need little boys.

I have mom friends with just boys and we literally text each other things like, “hey-I’m heading to the park to run the boys, want to join?”

“RUN the boys”

#boymom

We run our two girls all the time. Literally all the time. They're in gymnastics and CrossFit and swimming and they need constant action. We throw the ball for our dog and make them see if they can beat him to it. Are you really so dense as to think that girls aren't like that? THAT is what is so annoying about boymom. Well, that and the ever-present excuse for your boys' behavior.

your children do crossfit?

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Anonymous wrote:Look people-don’t be stupid. #boymom is used to keep our sanity in a world where moms of boys deal with constant pressure to make their boys “behave”, “reign it in”, or whatever. Things like personal hygiene, table manners, indoor voices, are just not as easy to teach to boys as it is to the *majority* of little girls, of course there are exceptions. But you just don’t need to exercise little girls like you need little boys.

I have mom friends with just boys and we literally text each other things like, “hey-I’m heading to the park to run the boys, want to join?”

“RUN the boys”

#boymom

We run our two girls all the time. Literally all the time. They're in gymnastics and CrossFit and swimming and they need constant action. We throw the ball for our dog and make them see if they can beat him to it. Are you really so dense as to think that girls aren't like that? THAT is what is so annoying about boymom. Well, that and the ever-present excuse for your boys' behavior.

your children do crossfit?

Doesn't every girl?

[Anonymous]

-Also from the Midwest

-Also "run" my girls

-Also get and appreciate the difference between the moms of boys and the #BOYMOMS

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Anonymous wrote:My friend has four boys and she’ll #boymom on occasion. It’s meant to be lighthearted, and those boys have excellent manners.
She is absolutely desperate for a girl. They are considering IVF for gender selection. I suspect most of the #boymoms are deeply longing for girls, so we should be kind.

I don't know one #boymom that wished for a girl.. especially once middle school hits.

It's like missing a bullet.

Yep. They are all a little sad about not getting a girl. It’s not a mystery. Also, I’m not sure what world you guys a living in where middle school boys are a breeze. Silly stuff.

I have all boys and have never used the phrase BOYMOM in my life prior to this post, but the fact that you and other posters have apparently decided that moms of boys must be sad about not having girls makes me want to cheer on the people who use it. Honestly the only time I ever think about having all boys is when some all girl mom asks me in a fake tone of sympathy whether I am going "try for a girl." It's so obnoxious.

DP, but if you don't self-identify as a #boymom, then this thread isn't directed at you, whether you have all boys or not. Plenty of moms of only boys love having boys, don't call themselves boymoms, and are reasonable. But seriously, have you not heard of people asking moms of all girls whether they're going to "try for a boy?" It goes both ways.

Why women who don't have daughters think they're qualified to opine on how different it is than raising sons is beyond me. But I'm sick of the laziness at best and misogyny at worst that #boymom represents.

I'm PP and in my friend group, the difference in how moms of all girls are treated with respect to having a boy is different enough from what happens to the all boy moms that we've talked about it. All (and I mean every single boy mom) has has multiple encounters like I have, the syrupy-sweet fake pity for not having girls from girl moms. It happens the other way, but rarely.

This is born out in surveys, by the way. Americans prefer baby girls in general. Sex selection is done more often for girls. It is a thing, and you pretending it doesn't happen is obnoxious.

I will also say that I had never thought much about BOYMOM before this thread but the reaction of you and other posters like you makes me want to cheer them on.

Can you cite that source? I've never heard that before.

DP. I heard that in a sociology class.

So, no actually facts to back this random statement, just "you heard it" somewhere. Um, ok.

http://www.ingender.com/xyu/gender-preference/

Hahaha! Wtf is that, some blog about gender? You shame yourself.

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Anonymous wrote:My friend has four boys and she’ll #boymom on occasion. It’s meant to be lighthearted, and those boys have excellent manners.
She is absolutely desperate for a girl. They are considering IVF for gender selection. I suspect most of the #boymoms are deeply longing for girls, so we should be kind.

I don't know one #boymom that wished for a girl.. especially once middle school hits.

It's like missing a bullet.

Yep. They are all a little sad about not getting a girl. It’s not a mystery. Also, I’m not sure what world you guys a living in where middle school boys are a breeze. Silly stuff.

I have all boys and have never used the phrase BOYMOM in my life prior to this post, but the fact that you and other posters have apparently decided that moms of boys must be sad about not having girls makes me want to cheer on the people who use it. Honestly the only time I ever think about having all boys is when some all girl mom asks me in a fake tone of sympathy whether I am going "try for a girl." It's so obnoxious.

DP, but if you don't self-identify as a #boymom, then this thread isn't directed at you, whether you have all boys or not. Plenty of moms of only boys love having boys, don't call themselves boymoms, and are reasonable. But seriously, have you not heard of people asking moms of all girls whether they're going to "try for a boy?" It goes both ways.

Why women who don't have daughters think they're qualified to opine on how different it is than raising sons is beyond me. But I'm sick of the laziness at best and misogyny at worst that #boymom represents.

I'm PP and in my friend group, the difference in how moms of all girls are treated with respect to having a boy is different enough from what happens to the all boy moms that we've talked about it. All (and I mean every single boy mom) has has multiple encounters like I have, the syrupy-sweet fake pity for not having girls from girl moms. It happens the other way, but rarely.

This is born out in surveys, by the way. Americans prefer baby girls in general. Sex selection is done more often for girls. It is a thing, and you pretending it doesn't happen is obnoxious.

I will also say that I had never thought much about BOYMOM before this thread but the reaction of you and other posters like you makes me want to cheer them on.

Can you cite that source? I've never heard that before.

DP. I heard that in a sociology class.

So, no actually facts to back this random statement, just "you heard it" somewhere. Um, ok.

DP. Literally the first hit on Google when I search for American sex preference in babies is this article:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/05/upshot/americans-might-no-longer-prefer-sons-over-daughters.html

There are other academic links too but I am on my phone and can't really get through them. But it looks like about thirty seconds of research could answer your question. Did you try that?

Did you read the article (and the study quoted) or just the title? Try actually reading and not just the title sweetie. i hope you still are taking that sociology class. If you were a student of mine, you’d fail

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Anonymous wrote:My friend has four boys and she’ll #boymom on occasion. It’s meant to be lighthearted, and those boys have excellent manners.
She is absolutely desperate for a girl. They are considering IVF for gender selection. I suspect most of the #boymoms are deeply longing for girls, so we should be kind.

I don't know one #boymom that wished for a girl.. especially once middle school hits.

It's like missing a bullet.

Yep. They are all a little sad about not getting a girl. It’s not a mystery. Also, I’m not sure what world you guys a living in where middle school boys are a breeze. Silly stuff.

I have all boys and have never used the phrase BOYMOM in my life prior to this post, but the fact that you and other posters have apparently decided that moms of boys must be sad about not having girls makes me want to cheer on the people who use it. Honestly the only time I ever think about having all boys is when some all girl mom asks me in a fake tone of sympathy whether I am going "try for a girl." It's so obnoxious.

DP, but if you don't self-identify as a #boymom, then this thread isn't directed at you, whether you have all boys or not. Plenty of moms of only boys love having boys, don't call themselves boymoms, and are reasonable. But seriously, have you not heard of people asking moms of all girls whether they're going to "try for a boy?" It goes both ways.

Why women who don't have daughters think they're qualified to opine on how different it is than raising sons is beyond me. But I'm sick of the laziness at best and misogyny at worst that #boymom represents.

I'm PP and in my friend group, the difference in how moms of all girls are treated with respect to having a boy is different enough from what happens to the all boy moms that we've talked about it. All (and I mean every single boy mom) has has multiple encounters like I have, the syrupy-sweet fake pity for not having girls from girl moms. It happens the other way, but rarely.

This is born out in surveys, by the way. Americans prefer baby girls in general. Sex selection is done more often for girls. It is a thing, and you pretending it doesn't happen is obnoxious.

I will also say that I had never thought much about BOYMOM before this thread but the reaction of you and other posters like you makes me want to cheer them on.

Can you cite that source? I've never heard that before.

DP. I heard that in a sociology class.

So, no actually facts to back this random statement, just "you heard it" somewhere. Um, ok.

DP. Literally the first hit on Google when I search for American sex preference in babies is this article:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/05/upshot/americans-might-no-longer-prefer-sons-over-daughters.html

There are other academic links too but I am on my phone and can't really get through them. But it looks like about thirty seconds of research could answer your question. Did you try that?

Google is not research.

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Anonymous wrote:-Also from the Midwest

-Also "run" my girls

-Also get and appreciate the difference between the moms of boys and the #BOYMOMS

Same—well, except for the Midwest part. . And to the PP, yes, kids do CrossFit—I know a 6th grade, multisport-playing girl who does also.

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Anonymous wrote:My friend has four boys and she’ll #boymom on occasion. It’s meant to be lighthearted, and those boys have excellent manners.
She is absolutely desperate for a girl. They are considering IVF for gender selection. I suspect most of the #boymoms are deeply longing for girls, so we should be kind.

I don't know one #boymom that wished for a girl.. especially once middle school hits.

It's like missing a bullet.

Yep. They are all a little sad about not getting a girl. It’s not a mystery. Also, I’m not sure what world you guys a living in where middle school boys are a breeze. Silly stuff.

I have all boys and have never used the phrase BOYMOM in my life prior to this post, but the fact that you and other posters have apparently decided that moms of boys must be sad about not having girls makes me want to cheer on the people who use it. Honestly the only time I ever think about having all boys is when some all girl mom asks me in a fake tone of sympathy whether I am going "try for a girl." It's so obnoxious.

DP, but if you don't self-identify as a #boymom, then this thread isn't directed at you, whether you have all boys or not. Plenty of moms of only boys love having boys, don't call themselves boymoms, and are reasonable. But seriously, have you not heard of people asking moms of all girls whether they're going to "try for a boy?" It goes both ways.

Why women who don't have daughters think they're qualified to opine on how different it is than raising sons is beyond me. But I'm sick of the laziness at best and misogyny at worst that #boymom represents.

I'm PP and in my friend group, the difference in how moms of all girls are treated with respect to having a boy is different enough from what happens to the all boy moms that we've talked about it. All (and I mean every single boy mom) has has multiple encounters like I have, the syrupy-sweet fake pity for not having girls from girl moms. It happens the other way, but rarely.

This is born out in surveys, by the way. Americans prefer baby girls in general. Sex selection is done more often for girls. It is a thing, and you pretending it doesn't happen is obnoxious.

I will also say that I had never thought much about BOYMOM before this thread but the reaction of you and other posters like you makes me want to cheer them on.

Can you cite that source? I've never heard that before.

DP. I heard that in a sociology class.

So, no actually facts to back this random statement, just "you heard it" somewhere. Um, ok.

DP. Literally the first hit on Google when I search for American sex preference in babies is this article:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/05/upshot/americans-might-no-longer-prefer-sons-over-daughters.html

There are other academic links too but I am on my phone and can't really get through them. But it looks like about thirty seconds of research could answer your question. Did you try that?

Did you read the article (and the study quoted) or just the title? Try actually reading and not just the title sweetie. i hope you still are taking that sociology class. If you were a student of mine, you’d fail

Goodness, you are unpleasant. However, please do keep on digging the hole that you and your cohort in this thread have gotten themselves into. In the meantime, as you are apparently incapable:

Francine D. Blau, Lawrence M. Kahn, Peter Brummund, Jason Cook, Miriam Larson-Koester. "Is There Still Son Preference in the United States?" NBER Working Paper No. 23816 (Sept. 2017). (link) -- Discussing data that among native-born American women, having a female child first reduces further fertility (among other conclusions, including a comparison to immigrant women).

Arindam Nandi, Sital Kalantry, Brian Citro. "Sex-selective Abortion Bans are Not Associated with Changes in Sex Ratios at Birth among Asian Populations in Illinois and Pennsylvania." (2014). (link) -- Goes through data collected concerning sex-selective abortion band and discusses the implication that sex selection practices in certain Asian countries do not appear to be carried over in immigrant populations into the United States, suggesting that living in the U.S. may erode the traditional preference for boys.

Mariagiovanna Baccara, Allan Collard-Wexler, Leonardo Felli, Leeat Yariv. "Child-Adoption Matching: Preferences for Gender and Race," American Economic Journal: Applied Economics (2014). (NBER link, also published by the American Economic Association) -- Discussing the consistent preference for girls in adoptions.

Stacey A. Missmer and Tarun Jain. Preimplantation sex selection demand and preferences among infertility patients in Midwestern United States. Journal of Assisted Reproduction and Genetics (2007). (NIH link) -- Discussing sex selection preferences (generally for girls).

In short, when Americans get to do sex selection (such as in adoption or infertility treatments), there is a good body of current academic research that shows they tend to pick girls (or that cultural preferences for boys fade in immigrant populations). Also, this is just a subset of what's out there and I haven't included any references to paid-access academic articles. There are also the Gallup polls regarding preferences, but I am sticking to academic links here.

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Anonymous wrote:My friend has four boys and she’ll #boymom on occasion. It’s meant to be lighthearted, and those boys have excellent manners.
She is absolutely desperate for a girl. They are considering IVF for gender selection. I suspect most of the #boymoms are deeply longing for girls, so we should be kind.

I don't know one #boymom that wished for a girl.. especially once middle school hits.

It's like missing a bullet.

Yep. They are all a little sad about not getting a girl. It’s not a mystery. Also, I’m not sure what world you guys a living in where middle school boys are a breeze. Silly stuff.

I have all boys and have never used the phrase BOYMOM in my life prior to this post, but the fact that you and other posters have apparently decided that moms of boys must be sad about not having girls makes me want to cheer on the people who use it. Honestly the only time I ever think about having all boys is when some all girl mom asks me in a fake tone of sympathy whether I am going "try for a girl." It's so obnoxious.

DP, but if you don't self-identify as a #boymom, then this thread isn't directed at you, whether you have all boys or not. Plenty of moms of only boys love having boys, don't call themselves boymoms, and are reasonable. But seriously, have you not heard of people asking moms of all girls whether they're going to "try for a boy?" It goes both ways.

Why women who don't have daughters think they're qualified to opine on how different it is than raising sons is beyond me. But I'm sick of the laziness at best and misogyny at worst that #boymom represents.

I'm PP and in my friend group, the difference in how moms of all girls are treated with respect to having a boy is different enough from what happens to the all boy moms that we've talked about it. All (and I mean every single boy mom) has has multiple encounters like I have, the syrupy-sweet fake pity for not having girls from girl moms. It happens the other way, but rarely.

This is born out in surveys, by the way. Americans prefer baby girls in general. Sex selection is done more often for girls. It is a thing, and you pretending it doesn't happen is obnoxious.

I will also say that I had never thought much about BOYMOM before this thread but the reaction of you and other posters like you makes me want to cheer them on.

Can you cite that source? I've never heard that before.

DP. I heard that in a sociology class.

So, no actually facts to back this random statement, just "you heard it" somewhere. Um, ok.

DP. Literally the first hit on Google when I search for American sex preference in babies is this article:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/05/upshot/americans-might-no-longer-prefer-sons-over-daughters.html

There are other academic links too but I am on my phone and can't really get through them. But it looks like about thirty seconds of research could answer your question. Did you try that?

Did you read the article (and the study quoted) or just the title? Try actually reading and not just the title sweetie. i hope you still are taking that sociology class. If you were a student of mine, you’d fail

Goodness, you are unpleasant. However, please do keep on digging the hole that you and your cohort in this thread have gotten themselves into. In the meantime, as you are apparently incapable:

Francine D. Blau, Lawrence M. Kahn, Peter Brummund, Jason Cook, Miriam Larson-Koester. "Is There Still Son Preference in the United States?" NBER Working Paper No. 23816 (Sept. 2017). (link) -- Discussing data that among native-born American women, having a female child first reduces further fertility (among other conclusions, including a comparison to immigrant women).

Arindam Nandi, Sital Kalantry, Brian Citro. "Sex-selective Abortion Bans are Not Associated with Changes in Sex Ratios at Birth among Asian Populations in Illinois and Pennsylvania." (2014). (link) -- Goes through data collected concerning sex-selective abortion band and discusses the implication that sex selection practices in certain Asian countries do not appear to be carried over in immigrant populations into the United States, suggesting that living in the U.S. may erode the traditional preference for boys.

Mariagiovanna Baccara, Allan Collard-Wexler, Leonardo Felli, Leeat Yariv. "Child-Adoption Matching: Preferences for Gender and Race," American Economic Journal: Applied Economics (2014). (NBER link, also published by the American Economic Association) -- Discussing the consistent preference for girls in adoptions.

Stacey A. Missmer and Tarun Jain. Preimplantation sex selection demand and preferences among infertility patients in Midwestern United States. Journal of Assisted Reproduction and Genetics (2007). (NIH link) -- Discussing sex selection preferences (generally for girls).

In short, when Americans get to do sex selection (such as in adoption or infertility treatments), there is a good body of current academic research that shows they tend to pick girls (or that cultural preferences for boys fade in immigrant populations). Also, this is just a subset of what's out there and I haven't included any references to paid-access academic articles. There are also the Gallup polls regarding preferences, but I am sticking to academic links here.

NP and no skin in this game, but the NYT article also mentioned this:
" In the 2011 Gallup survey, 31 percent of women wanted a boy and 33 percent a girl, while 49 percent of men wanted a boy and 22 percent a girl."

On average, that indicates a preference for boys. Wish they'd shown the trend for that data too.

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Anonymous wrote:My friend has four boys and she’ll #boymom on occasion. It’s meant to be lighthearted, and those boys have excellent manners.
She is absolutely desperate for a girl. They are considering IVF for gender selection. I suspect most of the #boymoms are deeply longing for girls, so we should be kind.

I don't know one #boymom that wished for a girl.. especially once middle school hits.

It's like missing a bullet.

Yep. They are all a little sad about not getting a girl. It’s not a mystery. Also, I’m not sure what world you guys a living in where middle school boys are a breeze. Silly stuff.

I have all boys and have never used the phrase BOYMOM in my life prior to this post, but the fact that you and other posters have apparently decided that moms of boys must be sad about not having girls makes me want to cheer on the people who use it. Honestly the only time I ever think about having all boys is when some all girl mom asks me in a fake tone of sympathy whether I am going "try for a girl." It's so obnoxious.

DP, but if you don't self-identify as a #boymom, then this thread isn't directed at you, whether you have all boys or not. Plenty of moms of only boys love having boys, don't call themselves boymoms, and are reasonable. But seriously, have you not heard of people asking moms of all girls whether they're going to "try for a boy?" It goes both ways.

Why women who don't have daughters think they're qualified to opine on how different it is than raising sons is beyond me. But I'm sick of the laziness at best and misogyny at worst that #boymom represents.

I'm PP and in my friend group, the difference in how moms of all girls are treated with respect to having a boy is different enough from what happens to the all boy moms that we've talked about it. All (and I mean every single boy mom) has has multiple encounters like I have, the syrupy-sweet fake pity for not having girls from girl moms. It happens the other way, but rarely.

This is born out in surveys, by the way. Americans prefer baby girls in general. Sex selection is done more often for girls. It is a thing, and you pretending it doesn't happen is obnoxious.

I will also say that I had never thought much about BOYMOM before this thread but the reaction of you and other posters like you makes me want to cheer them on.

Can you cite that source? I've never heard that before.

DP. I heard that in a sociology class.

So, no actually facts to back this random statement, just "you heard it" somewhere. Um, ok.

DP. Literally the first hit on Google when I search for American sex preference in babies is this article:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/05/upshot/americans-might-no-longer-prefer-sons-over-daughters.html

There are other academic links too but I am on my phone and can't really get through them. But it looks like about thirty seconds of research could answer your question. Did you try that?

Did you read the article (and the study quoted) or just the title? Try actually reading and not just the title sweetie. i hope you still are taking that sociology class. If you were a student of mine, you’d fail

Goodness, you are unpleasant. However, please do keep on digging the hole that you and your cohort in this thread have gotten themselves into. In the meantime, as you are apparently incapable:

Francine D. Blau, Lawrence M. Kahn, Peter Brummund, Jason Cook, Miriam Larson-Koester. "Is There Still Son Preference in the United States?" NBER Working Paper No. 23816 (Sept. 2017). (link) -- Discussing data that among native-born American women, having a female child first reduces further fertility (among other conclusions, including a comparison to immigrant women).

Arindam Nandi, Sital Kalantry, Brian Citro. "Sex-selective Abortion Bans are Not Associated with Changes in Sex Ratios at Birth among Asian Populations in Illinois and Pennsylvania." (2014). (link) -- Goes through data collected concerning sex-selective abortion band and discusses the implication that sex selection practices in certain Asian countries do not appear to be carried over in immigrant populations into the United States, suggesting that living in the U.S. may erode the traditional preference for boys.

Mariagiovanna Baccara, Allan Collard-Wexler, Leonardo Felli, Leeat Yariv. "Child-Adoption Matching: Preferences for Gender and Race," American Economic Journal: Applied Economics (2014). (NBER link, also published by the American Economic Association) -- Discussing the consistent preference for girls in adoptions.

Stacey A. Missmer and Tarun Jain. Preimplantation sex selection demand and preferences among infertility patients in Midwestern United States. Journal of Assisted Reproduction and Genetics (2007). (NIH link) -- Discussing sex selection preferences (generally for girls).

In short, when Americans get to do sex selection (such as in adoption or infertility treatments), there is a good body of current academic research that shows they tend to pick girls (or that cultural preferences for boys fade in immigrant populations). Also, this is just a subset of what's out there and I haven't included any references to paid-access academic articles. There are also the Gallup polls regarding preferences, but I am sticking to academic links here.

NP and no skin in this game, but the NYT article also mentioned this:
" In the 2011 Gallup survey, 31 percent of women wanted a boy and 33 percent a girl, while 49 percent of men wanted a boy and 22 percent a girl."

On average, that indicates a preference for boys. Wish they'd shown the trend for that data too.

No. What that reflects is that parents prefer their own gender (and that is replicated in multiple academic studies as well). In practice -- and there are multiple theories as to why -- when parents can pick, on average they pick girls. One of the theories is that it tends to be women driving fertility and adoption decisions, and women show a marked preference for daughters. This is particularly seen in the adoption context.

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Anonymous wrote:My friend has four boys and she’ll #boymom on occasion. It’s meant to be lighthearted, and those boys have excellent manners.
She is absolutely desperate for a girl. They are considering IVF for gender selection. I suspect most of the #boymoms are deeply longing for girls, so we should be kind.

I don't know one #boymom that wished for a girl.. especially once middle school hits.

It's like missing a bullet.

Yep. They are all a little sad about not getting a girl. It’s not a mystery. Also, I’m not sure what world you guys a living in where middle school boys are a breeze. Silly stuff.

I have all boys and have never used the phrase BOYMOM in my life prior to this post, but the fact that you and other posters have apparently decided that moms of boys must be sad about not having girls makes me want to cheer on the people who use it. Honestly the only time I ever think about having all boys is when some all girl mom asks me in a fake tone of sympathy whether I am going "try for a girl." It's so obnoxious.

DP, but if you don't self-identify as a #boymom, then this thread isn't directed at you, whether you have all boys or not. Plenty of moms of only boys love having boys, don't call themselves boymoms, and are reasonable. But seriously, have you not heard of people asking moms of all girls whether they're going to "try for a boy?" It goes both ways.

Why women who don't have daughters think they're qualified to opine on how different it is than raising sons is beyond me. But I'm sick of the laziness at best and misogyny at worst that #boymom represents.

I'm PP and in my friend group, the difference in how moms of all girls are treated with respect to having a boy is different enough from what happens to the all boy moms that we've talked about it. All (and I mean every single boy mom) has has multiple encounters like I have, the syrupy-sweet fake pity for not having girls from girl moms. It happens the other way, but rarely.

This is born out in surveys, by the way. Americans prefer baby girls in general. Sex selection is done more often for girls. It is a thing, and you pretending it doesn't happen is obnoxious.

I will also say that I had never thought much about BOYMOM before this thread but the reaction of you and other posters like you makes me want to cheer them on.

Can you cite that source? I've never heard that before.

DP. I heard that in a sociology class.

So, no actually facts to back this random statement, just "you heard it" somewhere. Um, ok.

DP. Literally the first hit on Google when I search for American sex preference in babies is this article:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/05/upshot/americans-might-no-longer-prefer-sons-over-daughters.html

There are other academic links too but I am on my phone and can't really get through them. But it looks like about thirty seconds of research could answer your question. Did you try that?

Did you read the article (and the study quoted) or just the title? Try actually reading and not just the title sweetie. i hope you still are taking that sociology class. If you were a student of mine, you’d fail

Goodness, you are unpleasant. However, please do keep on digging the hole that you and your cohort in this thread have gotten themselves into. In the meantime, as you are apparently incapable:

Francine D. Blau, Lawrence M. Kahn, Peter Brummund, Jason Cook, Miriam Larson-Koester. "Is There Still Son Preference in the United States?" NBER Working Paper No. 23816 (Sept. 2017). (link) -- Discussing data that among native-born American women, having a female child first reduces further fertility (among other conclusions, including a comparison to immigrant women).

Arindam Nandi, Sital Kalantry, Brian Citro. "Sex-selective Abortion Bans are Not Associated with Changes in Sex Ratios at Birth among Asian Populations in Illinois and Pennsylvania." (2014). (link) -- Goes through data collected concerning sex-selective abortion band and discusses the implication that sex selection practices in certain Asian countries do not appear to be carried over in immigrant populations into the United States, suggesting that living in the U.S. may erode the traditional preference for boys.

Mariagiovanna Baccara, Allan Collard-Wexler, Leonardo Felli, Leeat Yariv. "Child-Adoption Matching: Preferences for Gender and Race," American Economic Journal: Applied Economics (2014). (NBER link, also published by the American Economic Association) -- Discussing the consistent preference for girls in adoptions.

Stacey A. Missmer and Tarun Jain. Preimplantation sex selection demand and preferences among infertility patients in Midwestern United States. Journal of Assisted Reproduction and Genetics (2007). (NIH link) -- Discussing sex selection preferences (generally for girls).

In short, when Americans get to do sex selection (such as in adoption or infertility treatments), there is a good body of current academic research that shows they tend to pick girls (or that cultural preferences for boys fade in immigrant populations). Also, this is just a subset of what's out there and I haven't included any references to paid-access academic articles. There are also the Gallup polls regarding preferences, but I am sticking to academic links here.

NP and no skin in this game, but the NYT article also mentioned this:
" In the 2011 Gallup survey, 31 percent of women wanted a boy and 33 percent a girl, while 49 percent of men wanted a boy and 22 percent a girl."

On average, that indicates a preference for boys. Wish they'd shown the trend for that data too.

No. What that reflects is that parents prefer their own gender (and that is replicated in multiple academic studies as well). In practice -- and there are multiple theories as to why -- when parents can pick, on average they pick girls. One of the theories is that it tends to be women driving fertility and adoption decisions, and women show a marked preference for daughters. This is particularly seen in the adoption context.

I also think there is a huge difference between what people say and what they do. And when there is a choice to do something (as opposed to just talking about it), Americans tend to pick girls, statistically speaking. This is in comparison to other countries where they tend to pick boys.

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Anonymous wrote:Look people-don’t be stupid. #boymom is used to keep our sanity in a world where moms of boys deal with constant pressure to make their boys “behave”, “reign it in”, or whatever. Things like personal hygiene, table manners, indoor voices, are just not as easy to teach to boys as it is to the *majority* of little girls, of course there are exceptions. But you just don’t need to exercise little girls like you need little boys.

I have mom friends with just boys and we literally text each other things like, “hey-I’m heading to the park to run the boys, want to join?”

“RUN the boys”

#boymom

We run our two girls all the time. Literally all the time. They're in gymnastics and CrossFit and swimming and they need constant action. We throw the ball for our dog and make them see if they can beat him to it. Are you really so dense as to think that girls aren't like that? THAT is what is so annoying about boymom. Well, that and the ever-present excuse for your boys' behavior.

your children do crossfit?

CrossFit Kids, yes. Along with dozens of other kids in our area. It's not weights, it's just body weight exercises and cardio. We do it, they'd come to the gym with us and read or color while we worked out and then want to do their own stuff when we were done. Jumping jacks, shuttle runs, etc. They love it. And as a mom of girls I want them to be proud to be strong and not worry about being skinny.

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Anonymous wrote:My friend has four boys and she’ll #boymom on occasion. It’s meant to be lighthearted, and those boys have excellent manners.
She is absolutely desperate for a girl. They are considering IVF for gender selection. I suspect most of the #boymoms are deeply longing for girls, so we should be kind.

I don't know one #boymom that wished for a girl.. especially once middle school hits.

It's like missing a bullet.

Yep. They are all a little sad about not getting a girl. It’s not a mystery. Also, I’m not sure what world you guys a living in where middle school boys are a breeze. Silly stuff.

I have all boys and have never used the phrase BOYMOM in my life prior to this post, but the fact that you and other posters have apparently decided that moms of boys must be sad about not having girls makes me want to cheer on the people who use it. Honestly the only time I ever think about having all boys is when some all girl mom asks me in a fake tone of sympathy whether I am going "try for a girl." It's so obnoxious.

DP, but if you don't self-identify as a #boymom, then this thread isn't directed at you, whether you have all boys or not. Plenty of moms of only boys love having boys, don't call themselves boymoms, and are reasonable. But seriously, have you not heard of people asking moms of all girls whether they're going to "try for a boy?" It goes both ways.

Why women who don't have daughters think they're qualified to opine on how different it is than raising sons is beyond me. But I'm sick of the laziness at best and misogyny at worst that #boymom represents.

I'm PP and in my friend group, the difference in how moms of all girls are treated with respect to having a boy is different enough from what happens to the all boy moms that we've talked about it. All (and I mean every single boy mom) has has multiple encounters like I have, the syrupy-sweet fake pity for not having girls from girl moms. It happens the other way, but rarely.

This is born out in surveys, by the way. Americans prefer baby girls in general. Sex selection is done more often for girls. It is a thing, and you pretending it doesn't happen is obnoxious.

I will also say that I had never thought much about BOYMOM before this thread but the reaction of you and other posters like you makes me want to cheer them on.

Can you cite that source? I've never heard that before.

DP. I heard that in a sociology class.

So, no actually facts to back this random statement, just "you heard it" somewhere. Um, ok.

DP. Literally the first hit on Google when I search for American sex preference in babies is this article:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/05/upshot/americans-might-no-longer-prefer-sons-over-daughters.html

There are other academic links too but I am on my phone and can't really get through them. But it looks like about thirty seconds of research could answer your question. Did you try that?

Did you read the article (and the study quoted) or just the title? Try actually reading and not just the title sweetie. i hope you still are taking that sociology class. If you were a student of mine, you’d fail

You know it was a women studies class.

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Anonymous wrote:My friend has four boys and she’ll #boymom on occasion. It’s meant to be lighthearted, and those boys have excellent manners.
She is absolutely desperate for a girl. They are considering IVF for gender selection. I suspect most of the #boymoms are deeply longing for girls, so we should be kind.

I don't know one #boymom that wished for a girl.. especially once middle school hits.

It's like missing a bullet.

Yep. They are all a little sad about not getting a girl. It’s not a mystery. Also, I’m not sure what world you guys a living in where middle school boys are a breeze. Silly stuff.

I have all boys and have never used the phrase BOYMOM in my life prior to this post, but the fact that you and other posters have apparently decided that moms of boys must be sad about not having girls makes me want to cheer on the people who use it. Honestly the only time I ever think about having all boys is when some all girl mom asks me in a fake tone of sympathy whether I am going "try for a girl." It's so obnoxious.

DP, but if you don't self-identify as a #boymom, then this thread isn't directed at you, whether you have all boys or not. Plenty of moms of only boys love having boys, don't call themselves boymoms, and are reasonable. But seriously, have you not heard of people asking moms of all girls whether they're going to "try for a boy?" It goes both ways.

Why women who don't have daughters think they're qualified to opine on how different it is than raising sons is beyond me. But I'm sick of the laziness at best and misogyny at worst that #boymom represents.

I'm PP and in my friend group, the difference in how moms of all girls are treated with respect to having a boy is different enough from what happens to the all boy moms that we've talked about it. All (and I mean every single boy mom) has has multiple encounters like I have, the syrupy-sweet fake pity for not having girls from girl moms. It happens the other way, but rarely.

This is born out in surveys, by the way. Americans prefer baby girls in general. Sex selection is done more often for girls. It is a thing, and you pretending it doesn't happen is obnoxious.

I will also say that I had never thought much about BOYMOM before this thread but the reaction of you and other posters like you makes me want to cheer them on.

Can you cite that source? I've never heard that before.

DP. I heard that in a sociology class.

So, no actually facts to back this random statement, just "you heard it" somewhere. Um, ok.

DP. Literally the first hit on Google when I search for American sex preference in babies is this article:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/05/upshot/americans-might-no-longer-prefer-sons-over-daughters.html

There are other academic links too but I am on my phone and can't really get through them. But it looks like about thirty seconds of research could answer your question. Did you try that?

Did you read the article (and the study quoted) or just the title? Try actually reading and not just the title sweetie. i hope you still are taking that sociology class. If you were a student of mine, you’d fail

Goodness, you are unpleasant. However, please do keep on digging the hole that you and your cohort in this thread have gotten themselves into. In the meantime, as you are apparently incapable:

Francine D. Blau, Lawrence M. Kahn, Peter Brummund, Jason Cook, Miriam Larson-Koester. "Is There Still Son Preference in the United States?" NBER Working Paper No. 23816 (Sept. 2017). (link) -- Discussing data that among native-born American women, having a female child first reduces further fertility (among other conclusions, including a comparison to immigrant women).

Arindam Nandi, Sital Kalantry, Brian Citro. "Sex-selective Abortion Bans are Not Associated with Changes in Sex Ratios at Birth among Asian Populations in Illinois and Pennsylvania." (2014). (link) -- Goes through data collected concerning sex-selective abortion band and discusses the implication that sex selection practices in certain Asian countries do not appear to be carried over in immigrant populations into the United States, suggesting that living in the U.S. may erode the traditional preference for boys.

Mariagiovanna Baccara, Allan Collard-Wexler, Leonardo Felli, Leeat Yariv. "Child-Adoption Matching: Preferences for Gender and Race," American Economic Journal: Applied Economics (2014). (NBER link, also published by the American Economic Association) -- Discussing the consistent preference for girls in adoptions.

Stacey A. Missmer and Tarun Jain. Preimplantation sex selection demand and preferences among infertility patients in Midwestern United States. Journal of Assisted Reproduction and Genetics (2007). (NIH link) -- Discussing sex selection preferences (generally for girls).

In short, when Americans get to do sex selection (such as in adoption or infertility treatments), there is a good body of current academic research that shows they tend to pick girls (or that cultural preferences for boys fade in immigrant populations). Also, this is just a subset of what's out there and I haven't included any references to paid-access academic articles. There are also the Gallup polls regarding preferences, but I am sticking to academic links here.

NP and no skin in this game, but the NYT article also mentioned this:
" In the 2011 Gallup survey, 31 percent of women wanted a boy and 33 percent a girl, while 49 percent of men wanted a boy and 22 percent a girl."

On average, that indicates a preference for boys. Wish they'd shown the trend for that data too.

No. What that reflects is that parents prefer their own gender (and that is replicated in multiple academic studies as well). In practice -- and there are multiple theories as to why -- when parents can pick, on average they pick girls. One of the theories is that it tends to be women driving fertility and adoption decisions, and women show a marked preference for daughters. This is particularly seen in the adoption context.

that makes sense.