Shepherd ES to New North Middle School?

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What part of "public meeting" do people not understand?

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calexander wrote:Against my better judgement, I'm posting the link to my blog post about last's night's Community Conversation here.

I was in and out of the meeting, but I think I got the gist of it. Enjoy.

Hi Christopher,
Maybe it is time you stated your current position on this issue? You have posted before on perceived overcrowding issues at Wilson and Deal. If that it is still your position you my want to disclose that.
I was at this meeting and it seems like you only selected quotes that makes your position stronger?
Maybe it also time you disclosed you have a vested interest on this issue?
E.g. if ward 4 students leave for ward 3 that may impact your educational organization that primarily caters for ward 4 students?
Also didn’t you kids attend deal/Wilson through SES? When your neighbors are trying to do the same, why cast them as defensive?

Mr. Alexander, it would be better if you were truthful regarding your motives. I was wondering why you labeled the quote from the non-Shepherd parent who wanted us kicked out of the Deal/Wilson feeder as "A Valid Counterpoint" and why your article was so biased. It all makes more sense now that I've read the pp's post.

Also, it's fair game to quote elected officials at these informal meetings, but you should get permission from private citizens. At the very least, let everyone know that you plan to write and publish an article so private citizens can provide you with permission to quote them if they desire. Otherwise you don't to avoid interfering with the community's ability to speak freely.

+100, i found it totally irresponsible to quote people (private citizen) who were talking not knowing they were being recorded. You should have disclosed that you were recording the meeting! And if I remember correctly one of your kid still attend Deal. It is time you come clean about your motive because your article was really biased. Maybe you should have followed you best judgement not to post it?

A) It was a meeting OPEN to the PUBLIC
B) He is a citizen journalist
C) I was at the meeting and his reporting is accurate

D) You're a jerk

yeah. Who is doing the yelling now? Common decency dictates disclosing your position/interests when you claim to provide objective reporting. How hard is it to say at the beginning of the meeting: "hey, I am planning to write a blog post on this meeting and I will provide extensive 'quotes'. I also need to leave half way the meeting. Is there anybody I can talk with afterwards to update me on things that were said while I was not there?". That way, he could have captured that Brandon Todd's representative went on the record supporting the current SES feeder pattern. His reporting was not accurate to most of the attendants, and that is verifiable. It also does not align with the notes provided by the SPCA President on a local listserv. That is also verifiable. Finally, obviously Mr. Alexander is entitled to have an opinion, and to make family decision that align or do not align with that opinion. It 'd just be better if he would disclose his position. That's all. Besides the odd opinion that SP parents look down on Takoma by someone who says herself (at other meetings, and out of context), she will not send her kid to Coolidge because it has the wrong demographics , the meeting went actually very well and O'leary was applauded when he said he wanted to make Ward 4 education better for everyone, including working for the New North middle school and supporting SP parents in their desire to stay within a currently good feeder.

The bolded part is very well said. While what Mr. Alexander did wasn't illegal, it certainly wasn't the ethical decision. It would be appreciated if he demonstrated more integrity in dealing with his neighbors in the future.

He does put his name on his posts here while others....

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Anonymous wrote:What part of "public meeting" do people not understand?

No kidding! It is shocking to me how stupid some of the posts are.

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I attended the meeting (which was public) and Mr. Alexander's reporting was accurate. O'Leary did not clearly say he was in favor of maintaining the feeder pattern. Todd's representative did, but this was after saying the exact opposite at other Ward CA meetings, so who knows where he will eventually come out on this - or if it even matters what he thinks.

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Anonymous wrote:I attended the meeting (which was public) and Mr. Alexander's reporting was accurate. O'Leary did not clearly say he was in favor of maintaining the feeder pattern. Todd's representative did, but this was after saying the exact opposite at other Ward CA meetings, so who knows where he will eventually come out on this - or if it even matters what he thinks.

Towards the end of the meeting, he said he would support SP/CV/NPE parents' choice to go to Deal. But since he was a teacher at Cordozo for years, he doesn't think other schools will fail to meet higher achieving students' needs. He represents all Ward 4 schools! He isn't going to say the other schools suck and we all need to go to Deal. It is really terrible when parents criticize other schools as not good enough for their kids in front of parents whose children are going to that school!! I really wish people would think about other parents and children when they tear other schools apart. It is one thing to do it here but in person it is something else to witness.

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Anonymous wrote:I attended the meeting (which was public) and Mr. Alexander's reporting was accurate. O'Leary did not clearly say he was in favor of maintaining the feeder pattern. Todd's representative did, but this was after saying the exact opposite at other Ward CA meetings, so who knows where he will eventually come out on this - or if it even matters what he thinks.

Towards the end of the meeting, he said he would support SP/CV/NPE parents' choice to go to Deal. But since he was a teacher at Cordozo for years, he doesn't think other schools will fail to meet higher achieving students' needs. He represents all Ward 4 schools! He isn't going to say the other schools suck and we all need to go to Deal. It is really terrible when parents criticize other schools as not good enough for their kids in front of parents whose children are going to that school!! I really wish people would think about other parents and children when they tear other schools apart. It is one thing to do it here but in person it is something else to witness.

1) He literally has no say in the matter, any more than any other city resident does.

2) I strongly believe that people who have strong views on whatever side of an issue should have the courage to identify themselves and state their position publicly (in a polite manner, hopefully). It's cowardly to only be willing to discuss a contentious issue when you are only with those you know agree with you, or in an anonymous way (e.g. DCUM).

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Anonymous wrote:I attended the meeting (which was public) and Mr. Alexander's reporting was accurate. O'Leary did not clearly say he was in favor of maintaining the feeder pattern. Todd's representative did, but this was after saying the exact opposite at other Ward CA meetings, so who knows where he will eventually come out on this - or if it even matters what he thinks.

Towards the end of the meeting, he said he would support SP/CV/NPE parents' choice to go to Deal. But since he was a teacher at Cordozo for years, he doesn't think other schools will fail to meet higher achieving students' needs. He represents all Ward 4 schools! He isn't going to say the other schools suck and we all need to go to Deal. It is really terrible when parents criticize other schools as not good enough for their kids in front of parents whose children are going to that school!! I really wish people would think about other parents and children when they tear other schools apart. It is one thing to do it here but in person it is something else to witness.

1) He literally has no say in the matter, any more than any other city resident does.

2) I strongly believe that people who have strong views on whatever side of an issue should have the courage to identify themselves and state their position publicly (in a polite manner, hopefully). It's cowardly to only be willing to discuss a contentious issue when you are only with those you know agree with you, or in an anonymous way (e.g. DCUM).

This, especially #2. It's important to be clear about what you want and why. Some of these non-Shepherd Ward 4 parents are certainly making themselves heard regarding wanting us Shepherd folks to lose our in boundary rights to Deal and Wilson. We need to respond very directly to advocate for ourselves. If North and Coolidge parents don't want to hear why we don't want to go to their schools then they can stop advocating for us to do so.

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Anonymous wrote:I attended the meeting (which was public) and Mr. Alexander's reporting was accurate. O'Leary did not clearly say he was in favor of maintaining the feeder pattern. Todd's representative did, but this was after saying the exact opposite at other Ward CA meetings, so who knows where he will eventually come out on this - or if it even matters what he thinks.

Towards the end of the meeting, he said he would support SP/CV/NPE parents' choice to go to Deal. But since he was a teacher at Cordozo for years, he doesn't think other schools will fail to meet higher achieving students' needs. He represents all Ward 4 schools! He isn't going to say the other schools suck and we all need to go to Deal. It is really terrible when parents criticize other schools as not good enough for their kids in front of parents whose children are going to that school!! I really wish people would think about other parents and children when they tear other schools apart. It is one thing to do it here but in person it is something else to witness.

1) He literally has no say in the matter, any more than any other city resident does.

2) I strongly believe that people who have strong views on whatever side of an issue should have the courage to identify themselves and state their position publicly (in a polite manner, hopefully). It's cowardly to only be willing to discuss a contentious issue when you are only with those you know agree with you, or in an anonymous way (e.g. DCUM).

This, especially #2. It's important to be clear about what you want and why. Some of these non-Shepherd Ward 4 parents are certainly making themselves heard regarding wanting us Shepherd folks to lose our in boundary rights to Deal and Wilson. We need to respond very directly to advocate for ourselves. If North and Coolidge parents don't want to hear why we don't want to go to their schools then they can stop advocating for us to do so.

While I agree you should be clear about what you want, I don't think tearing down kids at schools with low test scores *in front of them* is kind. Just like the Wilson parent who said she didn't want her children going to school with black kids, which is why they need to make Wilson Ward 3 students only.

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Anonymous wrote:I attended the meeting (which was public) and Mr. Alexander's reporting was accurate. O'Leary did not clearly say he was in favor of maintaining the feeder pattern. Todd's representative did, but this was after saying the exact opposite at other Ward CA meetings, so who knows where he will eventually come out on this - or if it even matters what he thinks.

Towards the end of the meeting, he said he would support SP/CV/NPE parents' choice to go to Deal. But since he was a teacher at Cordozo for years, he doesn't think other schools will fail to meet higher achieving students' needs. He represents all Ward 4 schools! He isn't going to say the other schools suck and we all need to go to Deal. It is really terrible when parents criticize other schools as not good enough for their kids in front of parents whose children are going to that school!! I really wish people would think about other parents and children when they tear other schools apart. It is one thing to do it here but in person it is something else to witness.

1) He literally has no say in the matter, any more than any other city resident does.

2) I strongly believe that people who have strong views on whatever side of an issue should have the courage to identify themselves and state their position publicly (in a polite manner, hopefully). It's cowardly to only be willing to discuss a contentious issue when you are only with those you know agree with you, or in an anonymous way (e.g. DCUM).

This, especially #2. It's important to be clear about what you want and why. Some of these non-Shepherd Ward 4 parents are certainly making themselves heard regarding wanting us Shepherd folks to lose our in boundary rights to Deal and Wilson. We need to respond very directly to advocate for ourselves. If North and Coolidge parents don't want to hear why we don't want to go to their schools then they can stop advocating for us to do so.

While I agree you should be clear about what you want, I don't think tearing down kids at schools with low test scores *in front of them* is kind. Just like the Wilson parent who said she didn't want her children going to school with black kids, which is why they need to make Wilson Ward 3 students only.

When was this said and in what context?

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Anonymous wrote:I attended the meeting (which was public) and Mr. Alexander's reporting was accurate. O'Leary did not clearly say he was in favor of maintaining the feeder pattern. Todd's representative did, but this was after saying the exact opposite at other Ward CA meetings, so who knows where he will eventually come out on this - or if it even matters what he thinks.

Towards the end of the meeting, he said he would support SP/CV/NPE parents' choice to go to Deal. But since he was a teacher at Cordozo for years, he doesn't think other schools will fail to meet higher achieving students' needs. He represents all Ward 4 schools! He isn't going to say the other schools suck and we all need to go to Deal. It is really terrible when parents criticize other schools as not good enough for their kids in front of parents whose children are going to that school!! I really wish people would think about other parents and children when they tear other schools apart. It is one thing to do it here but in person it is something else to witness.

1) He literally has no say in the matter, any more than any other city resident does.

2) I strongly believe that people who have strong views on whatever side of an issue should have the courage to identify themselves and state their position publicly (in a polite manner, hopefully). It's cowardly to only be willing to discuss a contentious issue when you are only with those you know agree with you, or in an anonymous way (e.g. DCUM).

This, especially #2. It's important to be clear about what you want and why. Some of these non-Shepherd Ward 4 parents are certainly making themselves heard regarding wanting us Shepherd folks to lose our in boundary rights to Deal and Wilson. We need to respond very directly to advocate for ourselves. If North and Coolidge parents don't want to hear why we don't want to go to their schools then they can stop advocating for us to do so.

It might help if you picked better advocates for your cause, the ones speaking for you seem to be elitists with their own bigotries to overcome. Many of us grew up in the era of busing and school closures so to hear you self-proclaimed millionaires whine about your property values and having to mix with the dark-skinned hoi polloi across Georgia is pretty gross. School boundaries change. Your opinion is no more valid than anybody else's and people aren't jealous and envious of you - they just think ward 4 elementary schools should feed into ward 4 MS/HS. This a valid opinion for tax-payers and home-owners to have.

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Anonymous wrote:I attended the meeting (which was public) and Mr. Alexander's reporting was accurate. O'Leary did not clearly say he was in favor of maintaining the feeder pattern. Todd's representative did, but this was after saying the exact opposite at other Ward CA meetings, so who knows where he will eventually come out on this - or if it even matters what he thinks.

Towards the end of the meeting, he said he would support SP/CV/NPE parents' choice to go to Deal. But since he was a teacher at Cordozo for years, he doesn't think other schools will fail to meet higher achieving students' needs. He represents all Ward 4 schools! He isn't going to say the other schools suck and we all need to go to Deal. It is really terrible when parents criticize other schools as not good enough for their kids in front of parents whose children are going to that school!! I really wish people would think about other parents and children when they tear other schools apart. It is one thing to do it here but in person it is something else to witness.

1) He literally has no say in the matter, any more than any other city resident does.

2) I strongly believe that people who have strong views on whatever side of an issue should have the courage to identify themselves and state their position publicly (in a polite manner, hopefully). It's cowardly to only be willing to discuss a contentious issue when you are only with those you know agree with you, or in an anonymous way (e.g. DCUM).

This, especially #2. It's important to be clear about what you want and why. Some of these non-Shepherd Ward 4 parents are certainly making themselves heard regarding wanting us Shepherd folks to lose our in boundary rights to Deal and Wilson. We need to respond very directly to advocate for ourselves. If North and Coolidge parents don't want to hear why we don't want to go to their schools then they can stop advocating for us to do so.

While I agree you should be clear about what you want, I don't think tearing down kids at schools with low test scores *in front of them* is kind. Just like the Wilson parent who said she didn't want her children going to school with black kids, which is why they need to make Wilson Ward 3 students only.

When was this said and in what context?

One of the panelists who is on the Ward 3 Working Group.

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Anonymous wrote:I attended the meeting (which was public) and Mr. Alexander's reporting was accurate. O'Leary did not clearly say he was in favor of maintaining the feeder pattern. Todd's representative did, but this was after saying the exact opposite at other Ward CA meetings, so who knows where he will eventually come out on this - or if it even matters what he thinks.

Towards the end of the meeting, he said he would support SP/CV/NPE parents' choice to go to Deal. But since he was a teacher at Cordozo for years, he doesn't think other schools will fail to meet higher achieving students' needs. He represents all Ward 4 schools! He isn't going to say the other schools suck and we all need to go to Deal. It is really terrible when parents criticize other schools as not good enough for their kids in front of parents whose children are going to that school!! I really wish people would think about other parents and children when they tear other schools apart. It is one thing to do it here but in person it is something else to witness.

1) He literally has no say in the matter, any more than any other city resident does.

2) I strongly believe that people who have strong views on whatever side of an issue should have the courage to identify themselves and state their position publicly (in a polite manner, hopefully). It's cowardly to only be willing to discuss a contentious issue when you are only with those you know agree with you, or in an anonymous way (e.g. DCUM).

This, especially #2. It's important to be clear about what you want and why. Some of these non-Shepherd Ward 4 parents are certainly making themselves heard regarding wanting us Shepherd folks to lose our in boundary rights to Deal and Wilson. We need to respond very directly to advocate for ourselves. If North and Coolidge parents don't want to hear why we don't want to go to their schools then they can stop advocating for us to do so.

While I agree you should be clear about what you want, I don't think tearing down kids at schools with low test scores *in front of them* is kind. Just like the Wilson parent who said she didn't want her children going to school with black kids, which is why they need to make Wilson Ward 3 students only.

When was this said and in what context?

One of the panelists who is on the Ward 3 Working Group.

PP again. What was the context? Was it at a public meeting? It just seems like more people would be talking about this if it happened in a public setting. I live in SP and have been loosely following developments, but this is the first I've heard of this.

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Anonymous wrote:I attended the meeting (which was public) and Mr. Alexander's reporting was accurate. O'Leary did not clearly say he was in favor of maintaining the feeder pattern. Todd's representative did, but this was after saying the exact opposite at other Ward CA meetings, so who knows where he will eventually come out on this - or if it even matters what he thinks.

Towards the end of the meeting, he said he would support SP/CV/NPE parents' choice to go to Deal. But since he was a teacher at Cordozo for years, he doesn't think other schools will fail to meet higher achieving students' needs. He represents all Ward 4 schools! He isn't going to say the other schools suck and we all need to go to Deal. It is really terrible when parents criticize other schools as not good enough for their kids in front of parents whose children are going to that school!! I really wish people would think about other parents and children when they tear other schools apart. It is one thing to do it here but in person it is something else to witness.

1) He literally has no say in the matter, any more than any other city resident does.

2) I strongly believe that people who have strong views on whatever side of an issue should have the courage to identify themselves and state their position publicly (in a polite manner, hopefully). It's cowardly to only be willing to discuss a contentious issue when you are only with those you know agree with you, or in an anonymous way (e.g. DCUM).

This, especially #2. It's important to be clear about what you want and why. Some of these non-Shepherd Ward 4 parents are certainly making themselves heard regarding wanting us Shepherd folks to lose our in boundary rights to Deal and Wilson. We need to respond very directly to advocate for ourselves. If North and Coolidge parents don't want to hear why we don't want to go to their schools then they can stop advocating for us to do so.

It might help if you picked better advocates for your cause, the ones speaking for you seem to be elitists with their own bigotries to overcome. Many of us grew up in the era of busing and school closures so to hear you self-proclaimed millionaires whine about your property values and having to mix with the dark-skinned hoi polloi across Georgia is pretty gross. School boundaries change. Your opinion is no more valid than anybody else's and people aren't jealous and envious of you - they just think ward 4 elementary schools should feed into ward 4 MS/HS. This a valid opinion for tax-payers and home-owners to have.

Now you're making false allegations to further your own cause.
1) No one from Shepherd/CV/NPE said anything about not wanting "to mix with the dark-skinned hoi polloi across Georgia." This is your made up racist accusations.
2) Wanting better schools isn't bigoted.
3) Concerns regarding property values is legitimate to bring to our elected officials, who should care about this as it impacts their constituents.
4) It's not reasonable to expect that those of you Ward 4 residents outside the Shepherd/Deal/Wilson boundary can provide their opinions on our fate but we can't provide our opinions on our own fate. Other Ward 4 residents can share any opinion they want for DC schools, but I sure as hell am going to share mine too.
5) Your history of dealing with busing and school closures does NOT mean that others shouldn't expect better for their children AND expecting more for our children isn't racist. I don't buy into your propagation of low expectations. We already have more for our children: Deal and Wilson. You're out of your mind to think we shouldn't fight to keep it.

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calexander wrote:Against my better judgement, I'm posting the link to my blog post about last's night's Community Conversation here.

I was in and out of the meeting, but I think I got the gist of it. Enjoy.

Hi Christopher,
Maybe it is time you stated your current position on this issue? You have posted before on perceived overcrowding issues at Wilson and Deal. If that it is still your position you my want to disclose that.
I was at this meeting and it seems like you only selected quotes that makes your position stronger?
Maybe it also time you disclosed you have a vested interest on this issue?
E.g. if ward 4 students leave for ward 3 that may impact your educational organization that primarily caters for ward 4 students?
Also didn’t you kids attend deal/Wilson through SES? When your neighbors are trying to do the same, why cast them as defensive?

I'm totally confused. I know Chris IRL, he's a good guy, and I think he did a good job of trying to maintain neutrality in his blog post in order to represent all sides of the issue. Why the aggressive tone here--what is your angle? And why do you keep pulling his kids into it? Pretty low-class, IMO. I mean, I think I know who this is IRL, and I wouldn't be surprised if it's them, but still, very petty to fling insults and innuendo here anonymously.

As for keeping the Deal/Wilson feed, I can sort of see both sides. More families are staying in DC and using public schools, both gentrification and willingness to live in non-lily white neighborhoods is pushing more newcomers EOTP, and we can't keep stuffing kids into Deal and Wilson forever. That said, it makes sense that SP families (I'm one) would want to remain inbound for more proven, desirable schools. No one ever wants to get rezoned for an unknown; there is more risk when being zoned to a new, unproven school, and legitimate concerns for both the educational quality/"bleeding edge" issues, and property values. The same discussions go on on the MD board, where as I understand it, there is talk of rezoning parts of Kensington out of Walter Johnson to a new high school.

Re: the "bleeding edge" concerns--I am sympathetic to those east of GA to who want to pull Shepherd or Shepherd/Lafayette into NN in order to ensure a strong cohort. However, it's not gonna happen right away, by any stretch. Just a handful of kids go from Shepherd to Deal as it is each year--not enough to make much of a difference at NN. People in Lafayette and SP already heavily use privates, and also charters in SP. I'd imagine it would take the better part of a decade, or more, before they would send their kids to any new schools after being zoned out of Deal/Wilson.

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Anonymous wrote:I attended the meeting (which was public) and Mr. Alexander's reporting was accurate. O'Leary did not clearly say he was in favor of maintaining the feeder pattern. Todd's representative did, but this was after saying the exact opposite at other Ward CA meetings, so who knows where he will eventually come out on this - or if it even matters what he thinks.

Towards the end of the meeting, he said he would support SP/CV/NPE parents' choice to go to Deal. But since he was a teacher at Cordozo for years, he doesn't think other schools will fail to meet higher achieving students' needs. He represents all Ward 4 schools! He isn't going to say the other schools suck and we all need to go to Deal. It is really terrible when parents criticize other schools as not good enough for their kids in front of parents whose children are going to that school!! I really wish people would think about other parents and children when they tear other schools apart. It is one thing to do it here but in person it is something else to witness.

1) He literally has no say in the matter, any more than any other city resident does.

2) I strongly believe that people who have strong views on whatever side of an issue should have the courage to identify themselves and state their position publicly (in a polite manner, hopefully). It's cowardly to only be willing to discuss a contentious issue when you are only with those you know agree with you, or in an anonymous way (e.g. DCUM).

This, especially #2. It's important to be clear about what you want and why. Some of these non-Shepherd Ward 4 parents are certainly making themselves heard regarding wanting us Shepherd folks to lose our in boundary rights to Deal and Wilson. We need to respond very directly to advocate for ourselves. If North and Coolidge parents don't want to hear why we don't want to go to their schools then they can stop advocating for us to do so.

It might help if you picked better advocates for your cause, the ones speaking for you seem to be elitists with their own bigotries to overcome. Many of us grew up in the era of busing and school closures so to hear you self-proclaimed millionaires whine about your property values and having to mix with the dark-skinned hoi polloi across Georgia is pretty gross. School boundaries change. Your opinion is no more valid than anybody else's and people aren't jealous and envious of you - they just think ward 4 elementary schools should feed into ward 4 MS/HS. This a valid opinion for tax-payers and home-owners to have.

Now you're making false allegations to further your own cause.
1) No one from Shepherd/CV/NPE said anything about not wanting "to mix with the dark-skinned hoi polloi across Georgia." This is your made up racist accusations.
2) Wanting better schools isn't bigoted.
3) Concerns regarding property values is legitimate to bring to our elected officials, who should care about this as it impacts their constituents.
4) It's not reasonable to expect that those of you Ward 4 residents outside the Shepherd/Deal/Wilson boundary can provide their opinions on our fate but we can't provide our opinions on our own fate. Other Ward 4 residents can share any opinion they want for DC schools, but I sure as hell am going to share mine too.
5) Your history of dealing with busing and school closures does NOT mean that others shouldn't expect better for their children AND expecting more for our children isn't racist. I don't buy into your propagation of low expectations. We already have more for our children: Deal and Wilson. You're out of your mind to think we shouldn't fight to keep it.

1) No one said your opinion isn’t valid - just that’s not the only opinion;
2) You need to do some research into the “Our Kind of People” vibe that has historically ruled on the Gold Coast and SP: literally whole books have been written about it. Much of this not wanting to go to New North is code for not wanting to mix with the AA underclass.
3) Your bougie concerns about your property values is not more important than building quality MS/HS options in WRd 4; realtors can’t even mention feeder patterns.
4; Your “propagation low expectations” is pretty ignorant and offensive.