Shepherd Park

[Anonymous]

A lot of people buying in SP are buying to be close to the Orthodox synagogue. By and large they don't care about the Shepherd ES/Deal and will make a decision whether or not to commute to Rockville for HS/go to Wilson.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A lot of people buying in SP are buying to be close to the Orthodox synagogue. By and large they don't care about the Shepherd ES/Deal and will make a decision whether or not to commute to Rockville for HS/go to Wilson.

That was the case 5-10 years ago. Not so much anymore. Shepherd is growing IB population every year.. they have filled its PK classes with waiting list of 3 year olds for last 3 years. And from data, the kids are staying there. 5 years ago, it was 28% in-bound, it’s slated be 50% in-bound this year.

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Look at anywhere in VA and that will show how much of a premium people pay to avoid black neighbors. I think that would apply across the board.

I don't think many would argue if you said that most white folks will pay a premium to avoid Black neighbors. You would be right, and there's lots of data to show it. But you are forgetting that middle-class and upper middle-class Black, Hispanic, Asian, and mixed race families exist.

yes but they are not large players in the 900K+ listing market low single digits to measurable. Name a WOTP neighborhood that SFH are less per square ft than SP? I don't think there is one which shows you dollar for dollar most people would prefer to live in any other Wilson Feeder than SP. Basic supply and demand. Sure there are some diverse buyers that might prefer it but that is a very small portion of the market, hence the 97/100 which is admittedly a guesstimate but one that all indicators point to.

The larger point was that SP will always be the entry price point to the Wilson IB zone as it is the least desirable part ( of a very desirable area). As Wilson has gone up it has raised SP but it is held back by not many people would pay more for it than CCDC, AU Park or Woodley Park and the like.

The elementary school isn't as good in SP as WOTP JKLMM. Also SP is further from Deal and Wilson. And 16th street heights also hasn't increased to as much per square foot as WOTP, not even when it fed into Deal and Wilson.

I'm not saying you're necessarily right or wrong, but there are other factors to consider in the argument.

How do you measure good? So dumb. Further from Deal and Wilson. So what? A bus takes the kids down 16th Street. It's actually better because they have dedicated transportation. Duh. Who cares about WOTP. People in SP and Colonial Village can afford WOTP and desire more community.

Also curious to know how you can arbitrarily state Shepherd is not as good as WOTP? What measurements are you using? Are you adjusting for demographics?

DC Star Ratings Report:
Lafayette: 4 stars out of 5
Score: 73%
Low income: 5%
At risk: 3%
Black Students: 5%
White students: 68%
All students Star rating score: 78%
At Risk Star rating: cannot score due to low population
Black Students Star rating: 69%
White students Star rating: 60%

DC Star Ratings Report:
Shepherd: 4 stars out of 5
Score: 67%
Low income: 24%
At risk: 15%
Black Students: 72%
White students: 14%
All students Star rating score: 72%
At Risk Star rating: 68%
Black Students Star rating: 76%
White students Star rating: no score NA

So is Lafayette clearly the better school or is it the whiter school?

NAILED IT. Also, shepherd is a small community and lafayette is giant and impersonal. give me SP any day.

[Anonymous]

Honest question for the previous posters; why should schools results be adjusted for demographics? We are measuring a deliverable pact between tearchers and studants. Yes some times it is the teachers failing and sometime it is the students failing but isn’t it failure nevertheless? The scores measure failure and successes.

The idea that it is a great school with great teachers and it is only the kids that are below standard seems..... like you are missing the point. I hate this modern push to measure different people differently while they scream treat us equally.

What would make people happy, declaring SP a great school because it tries hard regardless of results? At what point is it ok to measure people by just results? Can we start spotting short players a couple of points in the NBA?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Honest question for the previous posters; why should schools results be adjusted for demographics? We are measuring a deliverable pact between tearchers and studants. Yes some times it is the teachers failing and sometime it is the students failing but isn’t it failure nevertheless? The scores measure failure and successes.

The idea that it is a great school with great teachers and it is only the kids that are below standard seems..... like you are missing the point. I hate this modern push to measure different people differently while they scream treat us equally.

What would make people happy, declaring SP a great school because it tries hard regardless of results? At what point is it ok to measure people by just results? Can we start spotting short players a couple of points in the NBA?

Because what is the point of comparing schools and concluding one is “better” based on test scores when the populations are very different? Knowing information about the demographic makeup of each school allows people to make more accurate predictions about how their own children might do.

For example, according to recent metrics (long thread in DC schools), Shepherd appears to do better with African-American students than other schools that feed to Wilson. If your child is African-American, this might be important data to consider.

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Anonymous wrote:Honest question for the previous posters; why should schools results be adjusted for demographics? We are measuring a deliverable pact between tearchers and studants. Yes some times it is the teachers failing and sometime it is the students failing but isn’t it failure nevertheless? The scores measure failure and successes.

The idea that it is a great school with great teachers and it is only the kids that are below standard seems..... like you are missing the point. I hate this modern push to measure different people differently while they scream treat us equally.

What would make people happy, declaring SP a great school because it tries hard regardless of results? At what point is it ok to measure people by just results? Can we start spotting short players a couple of points in the NBA?

Because what is the point of comparing schools and concluding one is “better” based on test scores when the populations are very different? Knowing information about the demographic makeup of each school allows people to make more accurate predictions about how their own children might do.

For example, according to recent metrics (long thread in DC schools), Shepherd appears to do better with African-American students than other schools that feed to Wilson. If your child is African-American, this might be important data to consider.

Found the thread.

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Anonymous wrote:Honest question for the previous posters; why should schools results be adjusted for demographics? We are measuring a deliverable pact between tearchers and studants. Yes some times it is the teachers failing and sometime it is the students failing but isn’t it failure nevertheless? The scores measure failure and successes.

The idea that it is a great school with great teachers and it is only the kids that are below standard seems..... like you are missing the point. I hate this modern push to measure different people differently while they scream treat us equally.

What would make people happy, declaring SP a great school because it tries hard regardless of results? At what point is it ok to measure people by just results? Can we start spotting short players a couple of points in the NBA?

Because what is the point of comparing schools and concluding one is “better” based on test scores when the populations are very different? Knowing information about the demographic makeup of each school allows people to make more accurate predictions about how their own children might do.

For example, according to recent metrics (long thread in DC schools), Shepherd appears to do better with African-American students than other schools that feed to Wilson. If your child is African-American, this might be important data to consider.

Found the thread.

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/45/770189.page#14135330

[Anonymous]

I wish SP residents didn't feel the need to constantly defend Shepherd ES on here. It's a wonderful school and serves the neighborhood very well. If people can't see past their biases to acknowledge that, they can stay on the other side of the park. The neighborhood is just fine the way it is and doesn't need validation from people who are about to be demographically left in the dust. Bye Felicia!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I wish SP residents didn't feel the need to constantly defend Shepherd ES on here. It's a wonderful school and serves the neighborhood very well. If people can't see past their biases to acknowledge that, they can stay on the other side of the park. The neighborhood is just fine the way it is and doesn't need validation from people who are about to be demographically left in the dust. Bye Felicia!

I agree SP is a good neighborhood and SP ES is a good school now that more residents are staying at their neighborhood school for ES.

Which demographic were you talking about, BTW?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I wish SP residents didn't feel the need to constantly defend Shepherd ES on here. It's a wonderful school and serves the neighborhood very well. If people can't see past their biases to acknowledge that, they can stay on the other side of the park. The neighborhood is just fine the way it is and doesn't need validation from people who are about to be demographically left in the dust. Bye Felicia!

Lol

https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2018/07/black-white-wealth-gap-inheritance/565640/

It could take centuries before incomes are even close to parity. That doesn’t feel dusty. 600 years being dominated to submissiveness is a handicap that is not going disappear overnight. Let’s not get too cocky. Hell SP was all white in most of our parents life time and is losing black residents quicker then it is replacing them. Both the wealth gap and education gaps growing. Mutiple clutures have shown that the ruling party doesn’t have to be the majority.

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Anonymous wrote:I wish SP residents didn't feel the need to constantly defend Shepherd ES on here. It's a wonderful school and serves the neighborhood very well. If people can't see past their biases to acknowledge that, they can stay on the other side of the park. The neighborhood is just fine the way it is and doesn't need validation from people who are about to be demographically left in the dust. Bye Felicia!

Lol

https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2018/07/black-white-wealth-gap-inheritance/565640/

It could take centuries before incomes are even close to parity. That doesn’t feel dusty. 600 years being dominated to submissiveness is a handicap that is not going disappear overnight. Let’s not get too cocky. Hell SP was all white in most of our parents life time and is losing black residents quicker then it is replacing them. Both the wealth gap and education gaps growing. Mutiple clutures have shown that the ruling party doesn’t have to be the majority.

SP was not all white in most of our parents life time. I'm 49 and SP was not all white when my parents were growing up. It's been diverse for a very long time.

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Anonymous wrote:I wish SP residents didn't feel the need to constantly defend Shepherd ES on here. It's a wonderful school and serves the neighborhood very well. If people can't see past their biases to acknowledge that, they can stay on the other side of the park. The neighborhood is just fine the way it is and doesn't need validation from people who are about to be demographically left in the dust. Bye Felicia!

Lol

https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2018/07/black-white-wealth-gap-inheritance/565640/

It could take centuries before incomes are even close to parity. That doesn’t feel dusty. 600 years being dominated to submissiveness is a handicap that is not going disappear overnight. Let’s not get too cocky. Hell SP was all white in most of our parents life time and is losing black residents quicker then it is replacing them. Both the wealth gap and education gaps growing. Mutiple clutures have shown that the ruling party doesn’t have to be the majority.

SP had covenants just like Chevy Chase until 48. It was still mostly white in the 50s and didn’t really tip until the 60s. If your parents weren’t alive then you’re too young to have an opinion on the subject. It was abandoned completely after the riots of 68 just like the majority of EOTP DC. What happened after that is affluent AA fleeing the urban decay moved there for the quality housing stock and quieter life style. It enjoyed being the epicenter of the black social scene while U street struggled. That said it hasn’t been that long and things change.

SP was not all white in most of our parents life time. I'm 49 and SP was not all white when my parents were growing up. It's been diverse for a very long time.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I wish SP residents didn't feel the need to constantly defend Shepherd ES on here. It's a wonderful school and serves the neighborhood very well. If people can't see past their biases to acknowledge that, they can stay on the other side of the park. The neighborhood is just fine the way it is and doesn't need validation from people who are about to be demographically left in the dust. Bye Felicia!

Lol

https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2018/07/black-white-wealth-gap-inheritance/565640/

It could take centuries before incomes are even close to parity. That doesn’t feel dusty. 600 years being dominated to submissiveness is a handicap that is not going disappear overnight. Let’s not get too cocky. Hell SP was all white in most of our parents life time and is losing black residents quicker then it is replacing them. Both the wealth gap and education gaps growing. Mutiple clutures have shown that the ruling party doesn’t have to be the majority.

SP was not all white in most of our parents life time. I'm 49 and SP was not all white when my parents were growing up. It's been diverse for a very long time.

SP was built all white and had covenants just like Chevy Chase until 48. It was still mostly white in the 50s and didn’t really tip until the 60s. If your parents weren’t alive then you’re too young to have an opinion on the subject. It was abandoned completely after the riots of 68 just like the majority of EOTP DC. What happened after that is affluent AA fleeing the urban decay moved there for the quality housing stock and quieter life style. It enjoyed being the epicenter of the black social scene while U street struggled. That said it hasn’t been that long and things change.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Honest question for the previous posters; why should schools results be adjusted for demographics? We are measuring a deliverable pact between tearchers and studants. Yes some times it is the teachers failing and sometime it is the students failing but isn’t it failure nevertheless? The scores measure failure and successes.

The idea that it is a great school with great teachers and it is only the kids that are below standard seems..... like you are missing the point. I hate this modern push to measure different people differently while they scream treat us equally.

What would make people happy, declaring SP a great school because it tries hard regardless of results? At what point is it ok to measure people by just results? Can we start spotting short players a couple of points in the NBA?

+1

[Anonymous]

I assume AA students at SP do well because they come from are UMC and they have college-educated parents. SP has always been a middle/upper middle-class neighborhood.