Betsy DeVos and Vouchers - Yes!!!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:An expanded voucher program is not going to expand choice.

People in private schools already (all income levels) will get a coupon to use to reduce the amount they pay out of pocket. A few low quality schools will open.

The real danger is that they will move money from current public school funding to this, not increasing the investment overall. It's going to be a zero sum game.

Which means those good private schools will have more resources to extend to more students (assuming they're not at capacity). If St Albans, for example, gets $100k in coupons, couldn't they give scholarships to 20 more low-income kids?

Or higher salaries. Or more money to lobby for vouchers. Lots of things they can do other than spend on more low-income kids.

That's a pretty cynical outlook. I trust the parochial schools more than the fly by night charters. I was pretty involved in my son's private Catholic high school and growing the financial aid fund to help more families was always a top priority.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:An expanded voucher program is not going to expand choice.

People in private schools already (all income levels) will get a coupon to use to reduce the amount they pay out of pocket. A few low quality schools will open.

The real danger is that they will move money from current public school funding to this, not increasing the investment overall. It's going to be a zero sum game.

Which means those good private schools will have more resources to extend to more students (assuming they're not at capacity). If St Albans, for example, gets $100k in coupons, couldn't they give scholarships to 20 more low-income kids?

No. St. Albans tuition is about $40K per year. If vouchers don't have income limits, then the coupon would cover 10K and parents pay the other 30K. Cost of providing the school will still be 40K so no extra money for scholarships or whatever.

For each student who uses a $10K coupon at St. Albans the amount the DC government receives from the federal government for education would decrease by 10K.

Hello!? St. Albans is Episcopal. If you want to go Episcopal, Quaker or Presbyterian, it's going to be very, very expensive. Somehow Catholic schools are able to provide high quality education at low cost. Please do not confuse St. Albans with Catholic because it's not, and nor is the price tag.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Which means those good private schools will have more resources to extend to more students (assuming they're not at capacity). If St Albans, for example, gets $100k in coupons, couldn't they give scholarships to 20 more low-income kids?

No. St. Albans tuition is about $40K per year. If vouchers don't have income limits, then the coupon would cover 10K and parents pay the other 30K. Cost of providing the school will still be 40K so no extra money for scholarships or whatever.

For each student who uses a $10K coupon at St. Albans the amount the DC government receives from the federal government for education would decrease by 10K.

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Example: high-need family currently receives $30k in St Albans financial aid. If St Albans receives a $10k coupon, St Albans only has to dole out $20k from their financial aid to that family. So, compile the coupons at St Albans and you have a less strained financial aid budget which St Albans can offer to MORE high-need families, or offer extra relief to current families. Or maybe instead of coughing up $10k, the family pays $5k or $0 (unlikely). Either way, a win win for all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Which means those good private schools will have more resources to extend to more students (assuming they're not at capacity). If St Albans, for example, gets $100k in coupons, couldn't they give scholarships to 20 more low-income kids?

No. St. Albans tuition is about $40K per year. If vouchers don't have income limits, then the coupon would cover 10K and parents pay the other 30K. Cost of providing the school will still be 40K so no extra money for scholarships or whatever.

For each student who uses a $10K coupon at St. Albans the amount the DC government receives from the federal government for education would decrease by 10K.

?

Example: high-need family currently receives $30k in St Albans financial aid. If St Albans receives a $10k coupon, St Albans only has to dole out $20k from their financial aid to that family. So, compile the coupons at St Albans and you have a less strained financial aid budget which St Albans can offer to MORE high-need families, or offer extra relief to current families. Or maybe instead of coughing up $10k, the family pays $5k or $0 (unlikely). Either way, a win win for all.

That would be nice if they did that but there is no evidence that the schools would actually make that choice.

[Anonymous]

Or that many children from high needs families will get in with vouchers than get in today with full scholarships.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Which means those good private schools will have more resources to extend to more students (assuming they're not at capacity). If St Albans, for example, gets $100k in coupons, couldn't they give scholarships to 20 more low-income kids?

No. St. Albans tuition is about $40K per year. If vouchers don't have income limits, then the coupon would cover 10K and parents pay the other 30K. Cost of providing the school will still be 40K so no extra money for scholarships or whatever.

For each student who uses a $10K coupon at St. Albans the amount the DC government receives from the federal government for education would decrease by 10K.

?

Example: high-need family currently receives $30k in St Albans financial aid. If St Albans receives a $10k coupon, St Albans only has to dole out $20k from their financial aid to that family. So, compile the coupons at St Albans and you have a less strained financial aid budget which St Albans can offer to MORE high-need families, or offer extra relief to current families. Or maybe instead of coughing up $10k, the family pays $5k or $0 (unlikely). Either way, a win win for all.

But this family was already attending private school. This example clearly explains how the government is taking money from thepublic system to enrich the private sector. Your example does not help a kid you cannot either academically enter the school, or pay the difference between voucher and financial aid. That kid is still in the public system.

[Anonymous]

Give people something for their tax money. If they feel the public schools suck, as they do, then let them apply the money it would have cost to send their children to the suckie public school and use it somewhere where they feel comfortable. Otherwise, they and their tax money move out of the city, and so then what did you accomplish? This is common sense.

[Anonymous]

So you charter for private school people, would you be comfortable with families using the charters for private education at a Muslim school?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So you charter for private school people, would you be comfortable with families using the charters for private education at a Muslim school?

Sorry, replace "charter" with "vouchers"

[Anonymous]

^^^ Yes , if the schools are accredited as decent academically. I'm not a racist or bigot. I just care about good academics in a safe environment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Or that many children from high needs families will get in with vouchers than get in today with full scholarships.

Or that these schools want a whole lot more high needs families in their schools. These schools are not short of kids!!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Give people something for their tax money. If they feel the public schools suck, as they do, then let them apply the money it would have cost to send their children to the suckie public school and use it somewhere where they feel comfortable. Otherwise, they and their tax money move out of the city, and so then what did you accomplish? This is common sense.

They get something for their tax money. They get a house near their job, they get hip restaurants, and they get schools that vary widely. Also, they get a chance at the lottery.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Give people something for their tax money. If they feel the public schools suck, as they do, then let them apply the money it would have cost to send their children to the suckie public school and use it somewhere where they feel comfortable. Otherwise, they and their tax money move out of the city, and so then what did you accomplish? This is common sense.

If I don't like metro or the conditions of the roads I'm driving on, will the city give me a voucher for my jetpack?
If I don't like the justice provided by the DC police and courts, will the city give me a voucher to hire Dog the Bounty Hunter* and Judge Judy?

It's called society, and it's kind of socialist. Stop being such a whiner and move to VA already.

*is he still alive or did he die of racism?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Give people something for their tax money. If they feel the public schools suck, as they do, then let them apply the money it would have cost to send their children to the suckie public school and use it somewhere where they feel comfortable. Otherwise, they and their tax money move out of the city, and so then what did you accomplish? This is common sense.

If I don't like metro or the conditions of the roads I'm driving on, will the city give me a voucher for my jetpack?
If I don't like the justice provided by the DC police and courts, will the city give me a voucher to hire Dog the Bounty Hunter* and Judge Judy?

It's called society, and it's kind of socialist. Stop being such a whiner and move to VA already.

*is he still alive or did he die of racism?

np: i want a jet pack voucher! How do I get one?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:^^^ Yes , if the schools are accredited as decent academically. I'm not a racist or bigot. I just care about good academics in a safe environment.

The ones in DC are not accredited.