False. Read his votes. He also opposes short waiting periods. He opposed the Brady Bill twice. He opposed trigger locks. He opposed liability for gun manufacturers, which might've led to safety features on guns. He voted for allowing guns in National Parks. The NRA helped Bernie Sanders get elected to Congress.
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You people stop it with your facts and data, Bernie is the REAL FEMINIST. |
Totally. I saw the light now. He is the best at everything, and everyone else sucks. |
It seems that among liberals, those who oppose Hillary do so because of issues while those who support her do so mainly based on liking her personally and because she's better than republicans.
Liberals who support Hillary also tend to conflate the reasons of those who oppose her from the left with the reasons of conservatives, which could not be more wrong. |
I understand that gun control is an important topic but do you think you could start your own thread on this? You have posted tons of information and I, the OP, have agreed that stricter gun regulations would be a positive move for women and men. It has been covered. |
Wrong. I'm a liberal and I support Hillary over Bernie because I think her policy positions are far better and more thought out. |
What I actually said was: please look at my facts and data on poverty and welfare. Please look at anti-woman policy that Hillary Clinton helped to enact. And thank you for your data on gun control but I still see Sanders as a feminist while I do not agree that Clinton is a feminist. |
Considering the long lists of facts posted by Hllary supporters on this thread alone, I don't think your post is based in reality. |
I think your misunderstanding his opposition to short waiting periods. Sanders supports and has voted for longer waiting periods. He was opposed to lowering the waiting period from 3 days to 1 day. To learn more on Sander's gun control and violent crime views read: http://feelthebern.org/bernie-sanders-on-gun-policy http://feelthebern.org/bernie-sanders-on-criminal-justice/#violent-crime |
No, I think Sanders' support for the gun industry and his opposition to many gun safety measures are highly relevant to this thread. Your whole "feminist" argument against Clinton is a thinly stretched string of circumstances: Hillary was married to a man who signed legislation from Congress, which then led to certain economic effects that some people, 20 years later, have said had some negative impacts on women in various locations. With Sanders, we see his actual gun votes in Congress leading to connections to women dying in Vermont, and all over the United States. If your "evidence" is relevant to looking at Clinton, then the gun evidence is certainly relevant to looking at Sanders. In fact, the thread's title says it's about Bernie Sanders, not Hillary Clinton. So I think your posts about Hillary are the ones that don't belong. My posts about Sanders' poor gun record of choosing the NRA over women are much more on-topic. Also, did anyone mention that Hillary Clinton is endorsed by the following notable women: Lilly Ledbetter Gloria Steinem current and former presidents of NOW current president of NARAL current president of Planned Parenthood If Bernie Sanders is the "real feminist" in this race, why aren't these other feminists supporting him? |
OP knows better than those silly ladies. And thank goodness Bernie is there to be the real feminist in this race, sine the woman running clearly doesn't know how to be. |
I have been very disappointed in Gloria Steinem, regarding this race. She actually said that young women were supporting Sanders because that is "where the boys are." I was stunned to see a comment like that from a feminist. You are entitled to your opinion that gun control is a make or break issue for a candidate. I just think there are some other issues which need to be addressed first and Sanders is a supporter of background checks and other gun regulations. The NRA gave him a D minus rating... I think that you yourself are greatly minimizing Clinton's contribution and influence as first lady if you can state that she was "married to a man who..." Hillary Clinton worked hard for that policy and you should at least give her credit for her hard work. |
Okay. So you dismissed Steinem. How about the others? You know better than them too? |
That is a weird argument. I am supposed to blindly follow the opinions of the presidents of NOW, NARAL, and PP? Do you know that there are are far more influential feminist thinkers out there? Those are big organizations but they do not dictate the opinions of feminists everywhere. They are voices in the discussion certainly but there are many that I would look to before I would look to them. |
With all due respect, I think Gloria Steinem and all the other women who have endorsed Hillary Clinton have a stronger record on knowing and promoting feminism than anyone on this thread, so I'll have to trust their opinions. You are entitled to your opinion that gun control is a make or break issue for a candidate. I just think there are some other issues which need to be addressed first and Sanders is a supporter of background checks and other gun regulations. The NRA gave him a D minus rating... IIRC, the NRA's ranking has ranged from D- to C-, depending on the year. It's undeniable that Sanders was helped into office by the NRA, and he's voted their way on several pieces of legislation. And for what it's worth, gun safety is not a "make or break" issue for me. It's just one of many reasons why I think Bernie Sanders is not a valid option for President.
I'm absolutely not minimizing her role and her contributions in many efforts to help women and girls around the world. IIRC, other posters have cited some of those efforts for you several pages ago. But you dismissed them all, and relentlessly focused this thread on TPP, NAFTA, CAFTA. Well, Clinton wasn't the person elected President when that legislation arrived at the White House, and she did not have the Presidential pen. We'll see what she does when she gets that pen in January 2017. I hope Senator Sanders will join with the Democrats to pass some legislation that might reach her desk. |