To WP: What Can Black People Do to Improve Race Relations in this Country?

[Anonymous]

This is not about blaming or hating anyone. It's simply stating facts.

What one person sees as facts, another sees as opinion.

[Anonymous]

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What I take away from these is spdiscussions is that we will have racial tension until the end of humanity.


But all we have to do is follow the advice in this thread.

Hate "the white man" for acts committed lay a few long before ant of us were born and never, ever, ever make an effort to move forward?

FYI: Restrictive Jim Crow laws ended less than 50 years ago. Some of you were born and most certainly your parents were.

[Anonymous]

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This is not about blaming or hating anyone. It's simply stating facts.

What one person sees as facts, another sees as opinion.

So, if white men didn't create the concept of race in the US, who did?

[Anonymous]

I think Mr. Williams had a very old point that people are choosing to ignore in its entirety and that is ver telling in and of itself.

[Anonymous]

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As stated by Walter Williams, "In sports, when have you heard a coach explain or excuse a black player's poor performance by blaming it on a "legacy of slavery" or on that player's being raised in a single-parent household? When have you heard sports standards called racist or culturally biased? I have yet to hear a player, much less a coach, speak such nonsense. In fact, the standards of performance in sports are just about the most ruthless anywhere. Excuses are not tolerated.


Stop making excuses.


Mr. Williams was spot on.

Athletic performance is not comparable to how one navigates society and possible challenges. In fact, coaches are often the stable parents that non-athletic blacks lack.

Will one of our AA posters please respond to Mr. Williams?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Stop saying the playing field is not level. It's not easy being white either. White people have to work and pay their dues and often times are passed over in hiring and promotions because companies want to balance their demographics.

In many if not most cases when two candidates black and white who are equally qualified the job will go to the black candidate. Blacks got cheated out of their wealth and their legacies. They deserved to benefit from Affirmative Action, but the time has come to stop claiming they are victims today.

You're delusional. As you look around your company, take note of how many minorities are in supervisory/managerial positions. Take a look at those who are on your Board of Directors and/or those who hold Executive positions in your company. I'm willing to bet that the blacks in your company are in administrative roles. We are overrepresented there, not so much when it comes to positions that involve the title Manager/Director/VP, EVP, etc.

BTW, do some research on how blacks who are college educated are unemployed at a great percentage to similarly educated white people. Also look up how white FELONS are hired at a greater rate than non-felon blacks. Then take a look around DCUM and see how many judge resumes by the names on them.

Oh here we go again, you don't agree with me and that immediately makes me insane. Don't you get tired of personal attacking individuals?

I said in situations of equally qualified candidates the black candidate will be hired before the white candidate. What you are asking for is for less qualified black candidates to be hired simply because they are black. As long as blacks claim to be victims and entitled to jobs for which they are less qualified than the competition, they will never be taken seriously.



It not easy being white either.

Blacks only need to make themselves equal to the competition and they will get the job every time. Stop believing it is easy to be white. White people have to apply to colleges, internships, jobs and promotions. White people experience plenty of disappointments along the way. When white people compete on equal footing with blacks, blacks are hired first because companies want to balance their demographics. It's not any easier to be white than it is to be black.

Again, you are wrong and research proves you are wrong. Look up the stats on the unemployment rate for college educated blacks and whites. Who suffer the highest unemployment rate? And what about the study where white FELONS were hired over blacks with no criminal record?

I see you disregarded my point about position levels. It is fairly accurate to say that blacks are primarily relegated to admin/support positions. White women benefit the most from affirmative action. They are usually found in exec positions at a higher rate than minorities.

You are fine with Blacks being hired before whites, but you are frustrated that Affirmative Action doesn't apply to the executive level. Black college grads are often times frustrated when they have graduated from colleges that have open enrollments and they are not promoted when they are competing with graduates from elite universities. Some college degrees are worth more than others. In situations where a black and a white candidate have the same Harvard education and experience, the black candidate will be hired. In the same scenario if the two candidates had degrees from Virginia State University and the same experience the black candidate will be hired. Your frustration however occurs when a white candidate has a Harvard education, the black candidate has a Virginia State education and the white candidate is hired.

It's not any easier be white than it is to be black.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Stop saying the playing field is not level. It's not easy being white either. White people have to work and pay their dues and often times are passed over in hiring and promotions because companies want to balance their demographics.

In many if not most cases when two candidates black and white who are equally qualified the job will go to the black candidate. Blacks got cheated out of their wealth and their legacies. They deserved to benefit from Affirmative Action, but the time has come to stop claiming they are victims today.

You're delusional. As you look around your company, take note of how many minorities are in supervisory/managerial positions. Take a look at those who are on your Board of Directors and/or those who hold Executive positions in your company. I'm willing to bet that the blacks in your company are in administrative roles. We are overrepresented there, not so much when it comes to positions that involve the title Manager/Director/VP, EVP, etc.

BTW, do some research on how blacks who are college educated are unemployed at a great percentage to similarly educated white people. Also look up how white FELONS are hired at a greater rate than non-felon blacks. Then take a look around DCUM and see how many judge resumes by the names on them.

Oh really? My CEO is African American, she is great at her job, and I don't give her race a second thought. Stop whining.

So, no response to my points? One AA CEO is enough to void out the experiences of others? BTW, which company?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Stop saying the playing field is not level. It's not easy being white either. White people have to work and pay their dues and often times are passed over in hiring and promotions because companies want to balance their demographics.

In many if not most cases when two candidates black and white who are equally qualified the job will go to the black candidate. Blacks got cheated out of their wealth and their legacies. They deserved to benefit from Affirmative Action, but the time has come to stop claiming they are victims today.

You're delusional. As you look around your company, take note of how many minorities are in supervisory/managerial positions. Take a look at those who are on your Board of Directors and/or those who hold Executive positions in your company. I'm willing to bet that the blacks in your company are in administrative roles. We are overrepresented there, not so much when it comes to positions that involve the title Manager/Director/VP, EVP, etc.

BTW, do some research on how blacks who are college educated are unemployed at a great percentage to similarly educated white people. Also look up how white FELONS are hired at a greater rate than non-felon blacks. Then take a look around DCUM and see how many judge resumes by the names on them.

Oh here we go again, you don't agree with me and that immediately makes me insane. Don't you get tired of personal attacking individuals?

I said in situations of equally qualified candidates the black candidate will be hired before the white candidate. What you are asking for is for less qualified black candidates to be hired simply because they are black. As long as blacks claim to be victims and entitled to jobs for which they are less qualified than the competition, they will never be taken seriously.



It not easy being white either.

Blacks only need to make themselves equal to the competition and they will get the job every time. Stop believing it is easy to be white. White people have to apply to colleges, internships, jobs and promotions. White people experience plenty of disappointments along the way. When white people compete on equal footing with blacks, blacks are hired first because companies want to balance their demographics. It's not any easier to be white than it is to be black.

Again, you are wrong and research proves you are wrong. Look up the stats on the unemployment rate for college educated blacks and whites. Who suffer the highest unemployment rate? And what about the study where white FELONS were hired over blacks with no criminal record?

I see you disregarded my point about position levels. It is fairly accurate to say that blacks are primarily relegated to admin/support positions. White women benefit the most from affirmative action. They are usually found in exec positions at a higher rate than minorities.

You are fine with Blacks being hired before whites, but you are frustrated that Affirmative Action doesn't apply to the executive level. Black college grads are often times frustrated when they have graduated from colleges that have open enrollments and they are not promoted when they are competing with graduates from elite universities. Some college degrees are worth more than others. In situations where a black and a white candidate have the same Harvard education and experience, the black candidate will be hired. In the same scenario if the two candidates had degrees from Virginia State University and the same experience the black candidate will be hired. Your frustration however occurs when a white candidate has a Harvard education, the black candidate has a Virginia State education and the white candidate is hired.

It's not any easier be white than it is to be black.

WTF!!!!
In that ass did you get the idea that black people only go to sucky schools???
I have been truly mindf**** today Because I keep coming back to this crazy ass thread and responding to this nutty b***
Jesus take the wheel!!!!

[Anonymous]

^^^pp
And I am so livid I cannot type
Again I say Jesus take the wheel!!

[Anonymous]

Jesus isn't always in control of the wheel?

[Anonymous]

Lord something tells me they just get Wi-Fi at the nuthouse

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I would like to be judged less. I feel like with AA women (rarely with men) that I am constantly being judged. My every word is being analyzed to see if I am racist. Did she buy that fried chicken for th team because we are black? Did she really just touch my child's head? Did she really just say "girlfriend" she would never do that with white chicks.

Stop telling me I don't understand, I know I don't understand anymore than I understand raising a girl (which I have also never done). I am sure there are things you don't understand, I don't point them out ever.

I feel like I am on egg shells].

I have many good friends that don't act that way and accept me for who I am.

But I feel like the interview process is tortuous.

This sounds like it's more your issue than AA women. You need to work on being more secure in your decisions and less worried about what someone is thinking/saying. In actuality, you have no idea if your perceptions are real or imagined.

I think the PP's perceptions are real. Definitely think that they have been "testing" her.

I think they are real because I will get a sanity check from my other AA Friends and they will confirm, oh she's really sensitive, you can not be real with her, etc.

Also, especially at work, they will go to somebody and "vouch" for me. She is one of the good ones don't be like that to her.

I am not a sensitive person. So for 20 year I have have said to myself, okay, I don't understand what they have had to go through and I am not going to scare off that easy. I think most people are just going to walk away from that situation.

We need to come together not push each other away. I care but I am getting old and have less energy.

But I know the right thing to do is to be companionate.

Again, this sounds like an insecurity issue. Because of some issues with black folks at work, you have attributed this behavior to other blacks and wonder if they similarly question you.

No I am saying all people act this way, I would never say all. If you,relate to this situation I ask that you give a person a break and not assume they are racist until they prove themselves otherwise. Don't be quick to read something into every awkward statement. You do not want to be judged based on your skin color. I do not want to be judged based on my skin color.

[Anonymous]

You are fine with Blacks being hired before whites, but you are frustrated that Affirmative Action doesn't apply to the executive level. Black college grads are often times frustrated when they have graduated from colleges that have open enrollments and they are not promoted when they are competing with graduates from elite universities. Some college degrees are worth more than others. In situations where a black and a white candidate have the same Harvard education and experience, the black candidate will be hired. In the same scenario if the two candidates had degrees from Virginia State University and the same experience the black candidate will be hired. Your frustration however occurs when a white candidate has a Harvard education, the black candidate has a Virginia State education and the white candidate is hired.

It's not any easier be white than it is to be black.

Nowhere do I state that underqualified blacks should be hired? In fact, I stressed the word similarly. And once again, you failed to address my points which is very telling. Where is your proof for what you state regarding hiring practices?

Affirmative action DOES apply to the executive level. Those diversity slots go to white women. BTW, it's interesting that you assume the only way a black person could reach the executive level is by benefit of affirmative action.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Jesus isn't always in control of the wheel?

Not Ehen Satan is driving And heading this thread straight to hell!!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jesus isn't always in control of the wheel?

Not Ehen Satan is driving And heading this thread straight to hell!!!

When did Satan get into the car and start driving?