Hamas is getting what they deserve after what they did on Oct 7th. |
You can’t kill an idea. Hamas is an idea not a person. Killing their families will only want them to kill Jews even more |
Muslims have lived there for centuries now and have seen it all from the crusades (where Jews in Europe financed and supported Muslims against the Roman Empires back-probably the reason the region is Muslim to this day) to the fall of the Ottoman Empire to the Brits Zionist movement to the split between Brits and Zionists and now America and Russia in the region. The ones in danger I would say are Jews 100x more than Muslims. Jews are not as big as Muslims are first off, and they’re highly unpopular apparently now among Turks, Arabs, and Iranians, with hardly a friend in Europe to count on either. This is their immediate region. The only thing they have for power is US and that relationship is hanging on a thread. The smartest thing Israel could’ve done is play nice with all their neighbors for long term security but they’d rather escalate violence and claim it’s for their survival. No, what’s for anyone’s survival is seeking peace. Look at how wise Israel’s leadership of the past was. If it wasn’t for Camp David Accords in 1978, Egyptians would’ve joined the offense with Gazans on 10/7. Instead, Egyptians, the mortal enemy of Israel 50 years ago, was the one warning Israel about 10/7. Think about that for a second. Peace DEALS work. Netanyahu didn’t even want to try with Oslo and did everything he could to blow it up including ensuring PM Rabin was killed |
Netanyahu is a blight on Israel and the future of Israel |
NP. Wondering what your definition of Zionism is? Mine is the ideology that the Jewish people have the right to a state on their “ancestral land”. Since there were people living in that land already then, by definition, Zionism requires the removal of the people (ie Palestinians) living on that land land. Now if your definition of Zionism allows people living on the land to remain with equal rights I’m all for that! |
People can claim all sorts of fairy tale definitions of Zionism but the lived reality of Zionism is one of forced expulsion and genocide. Don't trust the words of so called liberal Zionists and their whitewashing of terms but look at history since even before the inception of Israel and up until now. |
Israel really has some balls bombing seven countries right before the UN general assembly. They have chosen risk over respectability.
Living on the edge is not living |
DP Preamble to the Likud charter. Your move, dum dum. (Good lord, where did they find you?) |
I don’t have a dog in this fight, but as an older American who has followed the news and international affairs for decades, I’m inclined to believe Israel isn’t recklessly bombing anyone. Rather, Arab nations are quietly working with the US and Israel to deal with Hamas (and Iran’s tentacles) through strategic strikes. Surely everyone realizes Israel would be swiftly dealt with if its neighbors (or the US) disapproved. Isn’t the end game crippling Hamas once and for all? And isn’t stomping out Hamas in the best interest of the region? |
And then Israel will “get what they deserve” and the cycle never ends. Stupid. |
This is facile. You can certainly kill the people pursuing an idea. |
Fabricating new definitions for words is ignorant. The dictionary definitions of words are what words actually mean, even if simpletons try to distort words for propaganda value. Zionism is defined as the movement for the re-establishment and protection of a Jewish nation in what is now Israel, nothing more and nothing less. It is not a pejorative, despite such usage on this board; it describes a political, social, and religious movement. Trying to use the word Zionist to mean something derogatory is the same as saying Muslim to describe terrorists. Some are, some are not. Use words correctly. |
When will Israel get what they deserve for all the evil it has committed since 1948? |
Are those people 5 and 10 year olds? The problem is not the killing of Hamas but the mass killing of civilians. An 80% rate of civilian kills according to IDF data. That’s what fuels Hamas and all groups like it. Israel pretends like their strikes are all surgical/tactical strikes targeting Hamas only. They just killed an innocent Qatari security guard with a young family who had nothing to do with Hamas. I’m sure they’ve killed innocent Syrians in Latakia and innocent Yemenis and Lebanese as well in just these few days. If they wanted the region to join them in thinking Hamas are the bad guys and evil, they are doing a terrible job of pitching that |
DO. I’m not sure about that. You can suppress the idea and the people spouting the ideas, but you cannot kill the ideas. For instance, white nationalism and supremacy ideas were suppressed in the USA for maybe a generation, two tops. And then Trump came along and told those holding such ideas that it was okay and those people started shedding their hoods and began speaking and acting in their white nationalism and supremacy. Also, Germany thought they had killed nazism, but it appears to be in the rise in German politics and population. |