Big Greek and Football Schools: The Only Real College Experience

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Anonymous wrote:Part of the problem, I think, is that many DCUM posters/mothers are so far removed from college -- they're typically in their 50s and not much younger -- that they can't remember what it's like to be young.

Sure, I wanted my kids to go to a reputable school and study. But I always wanted them to be happy, social, and to have a blast. When I read posts like "I love the quiet winter days of my remote SLAC" I'm like "what?? are you my grandmother??"

We're talking about kids, man! They have their whole lives ahead of them to be so damned serious. You people have lost your minds.

Is it really not okay that not everyone wants the same thing? Does that offend you somehow?

Frats are really falling every year. Plenty of data saying kids dont want that anymore. And even at "football" schools most undergrads never go to a game.

But let's take ND as an exception. They do attend the games. I toured ND with one of my kids and the guide said he wasn't interested in study abroad bcs he didn't want to miss those 7 home games. And he couldn't do it spring semester in case of a bowl game.

I think that's a valid choice, and my kid didn't roll his eyes. But we didn't think that's the only "right" way to do college.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can we all agree to this? I mean, so much fun, so much variety, and more often than not plenty of smart kids and top academic opportunities?

Who wouldn't want to be a smart, good looking and outgoing Greek guy or girl at an SEC, Big Ten or ACC school? What a time and place to be young.

Sounds a bit superficial...
I'm guessing academics comes in 2nd or 3rd for you...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:College is for learning.

You've missed the entire point of college, which is that you can experience excellent academics *and* great fun. The two are not mutually exclusive and it's so sad that you think otherwise.

NP it's also sad to think there's one "right" way to have fun. numbers in greek life is tanking. I like college basketball, but most kids never attend a college football game, even at "football" schools

PP here - not a proponent of Greek life. Some of you are really conflating Greek life with big, fun football schools. Many of our kids attend these schools and are not Greek. Most kids aren't.

As for your last sentence - what? That is such a bizarre and false claim.

NP there's data on this.

[Anonymous]

I think a lot of the white kids attend games.

[Anonymous]

I went to an SEC school that won a lot of football national championships while I was there (2). I also rushed a great sorority and was a fraternity princess. Those were 4 amazing years!

I’m not sure what I’d hope for my kids, but a college town would be top.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Part of the problem, I think, is that many DCUM posters/mothers are so far removed from college -- they're typically in their 50s and not much younger -- that they can't remember what it's like to be young.

Sure, I wanted my kids to go to a reputable school and study. But I always wanted them to be happy, social, and to have a blast. When I read posts like "I love the quiet winter days of my remote SLAC" I'm like "what?? are you my grandmother??"

We're talking about kids, man! They have their whole lives ahead of them to be so damned serious. You people have lost your minds.

Is it really not okay that not everyone wants the same thing? Does that offend you somehow?

Frats are really falling every year. Plenty of data saying kids dont want that anymore. And even at "football" schools most undergrads never go to a game.

But let's take ND as an exception. They do attend the games. I toured ND with one of my kids and the guide said he wasn't interested in study abroad bcs he didn't want to miss those 7 home games. And he couldn't do it spring semester in case of a bowl game.

I think that's a valid choice, and my kid didn't roll his eyes. But we didn't think that's the only "right" way to do college.

Can we stop talking about Notre Dame please? I know a lot more about it than you might think. For one thing, nearly 90 percent of the undergraduates study abroad, so you had yourself an outlier.

And how the hell do you know that "most" undergrads at big football schools "never" go to a game. Show your work.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can we all agree to this? I mean, so much fun, so much variety, and more often than not plenty of smart kids and top academic opportunities?

Who wouldn't want to be a smart, good looking and outgoing Greek guy or girl at an SEC, Big Ten or ACC school? What a time and place to be young.

Sounds a bit superficial...
I'm guessing academics comes in 2nd or 3rd for you...

Well, grandma, if there's ever a time where a little superficiality might be ok, it's college.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think a lot of the white kids attend games.

Oh, ok. If that's what you think it must be true.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Part of the problem, I think, is that many DCUM posters/mothers are so far removed from college -- they're typically in their 50s and not much younger -- that they can't remember what it's like to be young.

Sure, I wanted my kids to go to a reputable school and study. But I always wanted them to be happy, social, and to have a blast. When I read posts like "I love the quiet winter days of my remote SLAC" I'm like "what?? are you my grandmother??"

We're talking about kids, man! They have their whole lives ahead of them to be so damned serious. You people have lost your minds.

Is it really not okay that not everyone wants the same thing? Does that offend you somehow?

Frats are really falling every year. Plenty of data saying kids dont want that anymore. And even at "football" schools most undergrads never go to a game.

But let's take ND as an exception. They do attend the games. I toured ND with one of my kids and the guide said he wasn't interested in study abroad bcs he didn't want to miss those 7 home games. And he couldn't do it spring semester in case of a bowl game.

I think that's a valid choice, and my kid didn't roll his eyes. But we didn't think that's the only "right" way to do college.

Can we stop talking about Notre Dame please? I know a lot more about it than you might think. For one thing, nearly 90 percent of the undergraduates study abroad, so you had yourself an outlier.

And how the hell do you know that "most" undergrads at big football schools "never" go to a game. Show your work.

NP that's because ND counts week-long programs in those stats. Not semester or year-length

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I had a great time at a NESCAC school that had a lame football team and coed “social houses” instead of frats/sororities. I wouldn’t have traded it for a Michigan/Acc/SEC experience at all.

+1
I had a few fun weekends visiting friends at huge schools and experiencing heir crazy football weekends, but that was enough.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Part of the problem, I think, is that many DCUM posters/mothers are so far removed from college -- they're typically in their 50s and not much younger -- that they can't remember what it's like to be young.

Sure, I wanted my kids to go to a reputable school and study. But I always wanted them to be happy, social, and to have a blast. When I read posts like "I love the quiet winter days of my remote SLAC" I'm like "what?? are you my grandmother??"

We're talking about kids, man! They have their whole lives ahead of them to be so damned serious. You people have lost your minds.

Is it really not okay that not everyone wants the same thing? Does that offend you somehow?

Frats are really falling every year. Plenty of data saying kids dont want that anymore. And even at "football" schools most undergrads never go to a game.

But let's take ND as an exception. They do attend the games. I toured ND with one of my kids and the guide said he wasn't interested in study abroad bcs he didn't want to miss those 7 home games. And he couldn't do it spring semester in case of a bowl game.

I think that's a valid choice, and my kid didn't roll his eyes. But we didn't think that's the only "right" way to do college.

Can we stop talking about Notre Dame please? I know a lot more about it than you might think. For one thing, nearly 90 percent of the undergraduates study abroad, so you had yourself an outlier.

And how the hell do you know that "most" undergrads at big football schools "never" go to a game. Show your work.

https://www.si.com/college/2020/01/10/college-football-attendance-decline-ncaa

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2018/02/13/college-football-attendance-sees-second-largest-decline-in-history/

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2014/09/11/colleges-worry-about-future-football-fans-student-attendance-declines

https://surface.syr.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1061&context=sportmanagement

https://www.fromtherumbleseat.com/georgia-tech-football/2014/3/3/5464512/college-football-student-attendance-problem

https://www.samford.edu/sports-analytics/fans/2015/student-attendance-decline-correlated-with-lower-future-alumni-giving#:~:text=Research%20says%20YES!%20There%20is%20a%20direct,graduate%20lives%20and%20as%20they%20get%20older.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Part of the problem, I think, is that many DCUM posters/mothers are so far removed from college -- they're typically in their 50s and not much younger -- that they can't remember what it's like to be young.

Sure, I wanted my kids to go to a reputable school and study. But I always wanted them to be happy, social, and to have a blast. When I read posts like "I love the quiet winter days of my remote SLAC" I'm like "what?? are you my grandmother??"

We're talking about kids, man! They have their whole lives ahead of them to be so damned serious. You people have lost your minds.

Is it really not okay that not everyone wants the same thing? Does that offend you somehow?

Frats are really falling every year. Plenty of data saying kids dont want that anymore. And even at "football" schools most undergrads never go to a game.

But let's take ND as an exception. They do attend the games. I toured ND with one of my kids and the guide said he wasn't interested in study abroad bcs he didn't want to miss those 7 home games. And he couldn't do it spring semester in case of a bowl game.

I think that's a valid choice, and my kid didn't roll his eyes. But we didn't think that's the only "right" way to do college.

Can we stop talking about Notre Dame please? I know a lot more about it than you might think. For one thing, nearly 90 percent of the undergraduates study abroad, so you had yourself an outlier.

And how the hell do you know that "most" undergrads at big football schools "never" go to a game. Show your work.

NP that's because ND counts week-long programs in those stats. Not semester or year-length

I know a lot about ND, believe me. A very large percentage of its students study abroad for a semester or year. They don't all go to the football games either, btw. For one thing, tickets aren't free for them.

[Anonymous]

Stanford kids have better things to do

https://www.reddit.com/r/StanfordCardinal/comments/1fx9wfm/stanford_footballs_attendance_against_virginia/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Part of the problem, I think, is that many DCUM posters/mothers are so far removed from college -- they're typically in their 50s and not much younger -- that they can't remember what it's like to be young.

Sure, I wanted my kids to go to a reputable school and study. But I always wanted them to be happy, social, and to have a blast. When I read posts like "I love the quiet winter days of my remote SLAC" I'm like "what?? are you my grandmother??"

We're talking about kids, man! They have their whole lives ahead of them to be so damned serious. You people have lost your minds.

Is it really not okay that not everyone wants the same thing? Does that offend you somehow?

Frats are really falling every year. Plenty of data saying kids dont want that anymore. And even at "football" schools most undergrads never go to a game.

But let's take ND as an exception. They do attend the games. I toured ND with one of my kids and the guide said he wasn't interested in study abroad bcs he didn't want to miss those 7 home games. And he couldn't do it spring semester in case of a bowl game.

I think that's a valid choice, and my kid didn't roll his eyes. But we didn't think that's the only "right" way to do college.

Can we stop talking about Notre Dame please? I know a lot more about it than you might think. For one thing, nearly 90 percent of the undergraduates study abroad, so you had yourself an outlier.

And how the hell do you know that "most" undergrads at big football schools "never" go to a game. Show your work.

https://www.si.com/college/2020/01/10/college-football-attendance-decline-ncaa

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2018/02/13/college-football-attendance-sees-second-largest-decline-in-history/

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2014/09/11/colleges-worry-about-future-football-fans-student-attendance-declines

https://surface.syr.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1061&context=sportmanagement

https://www.fromtherumbleseat.com/georgia-tech-football/2014/3/3/5464512/college-football-student-attendance-problem

https://www.samford.edu/sports-analytics/fans/2015/student-attendance-decline-correlated-with-lower-future-alumni-giving#:~:text=Research%20says%20YES!%20There%20is%20a%20direct,graduate%20lives%20and%20as%20they%20get%20older.

Nice try. 10 year old articles on generally declining attendance at some schools doesn't prove that "most" undergrads at big football schools "never" go to a game.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Stanford kids have better things to do

https://www.reddit.com/r/StanfordCardinal/comments/1fx9wfm/stanford_footballs_attendance_against_virginia/

Stanford football is terrible at the moment. And it's not a "big football" school in the slightest.