Why the hate for Boston College?

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Duke, Dartmouth, USC, Cornell, WUSTL, Emory, Georgetown, and others have all been equated with BC.

Come to think of it

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Anonymous wrote:Fact BC, BU, and NU were commuter schools until the 80s or 90s. Primary focus was working class kids not like Williams Tufts Holy Cross, Notre Dame. For reference the patriarch of Kennedy family graduated from Harvard not BC well over 100 years ago!

MIT used to be a vocational school.
C, BU, and NU have a great history of serving working class and common people in this country.
That is a proud history opposed to the schools that were like country clubs for rich Whites.

BC as a commuter school turned out a lot of politicians and lawyers/judges.

John Kerry, Tip ONeil, Ed Markey for example. Massachusetts has a long history of governors, attorneys general, state reps, US congressmen, judges at all levels who went to Boston College. BC had an excellent reputation as a commuter school. I know some of you use “commuter school” as a slur but it doesn’t apply here.

Don't claim John Kerry as an alum, he went to a prestigious HS and college and somehow mucked it up and went to BC for his JD. BC's most famous alum is Doug Flutie, his name ID is greater than Markey and O'Neil. Saying BC produces a lot of pols for a commuter school is as ridiculous as saying Eureka College produced a lot of presidents for being a small unselective LAC. What's your point?

The point is these people who scoff at former commuter schools or schools for working class immigrants don’t seem to understand how successful these schools were in allowing working class students to be well educated and rise to the top. You would probably have to be from Massachusetts to truly understand how BC, NEU,Suffolk and others contributed to Massachusetts being consistently on top as the most educated state.

The comparison to Eureka is just stupid.

Schools like Harvard have always educated people from all over the world. BC and others allowed a larger part of the state’s population to become teachers, judges, mayors, and many other careers. Like a lot of schools around the country they have broadened their reach. Don’t try to make that a negative.

Most elite schools have a different history. You’re better off going to a school with a gilded past than one that transforms Joe Schmoe into a pensioned HS gym teacher.

Most people don’t have kids heading to Harvard or Yale or Princeton with their “different histories”. These schools are now educating the international elite.

What careers do you think these kids are heading into that a school like BC wouldn’t be appropriate? Specifically what job titles?

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Anonymous wrote:The Irish elite never went to Boston College its mission was to educate working class /poor kids who commuted from home. They did admirable job. Wealthy Irish families sent l their sons to Harvard, Dartmouth or more likely Holy Cross. The old wasps that ran Harvard and other Ivies never played BC in football rather they played and continue to play Holy Cross. It is remarkable that HC which never had a student body of over 1600 men over 4 years played Harvard, Yale, Dartmouth, and Brown since the 1890s.

Yes but no. BC was created for working class Irish. It was called a university of our own. But starting in the 1920s and exploding after ww2, the grads became successful. And their kids went there. And they became successful. It changed from a lower middle class place to a middle class place to an UMC place to something more. All on the backs of the people that went. So I agree not a place the rich Irish went until say the 1980s when it changed.

I agree. It was a place for the ambitious smart kids of Irish immigrants who eventually dominated the politics of Boston by becoming lawyers, judges and running for office. How anyone can look own on this is beyond me.

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Anonymous wrote:Nice school along the lines of BU, Tulane, SMU, and Northeastern. Is it worth 90k a year? No.

Isn’t that a pretty standard price now?

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Anonymous wrote:Nice school along the lines of BU, Tulane, SMU, and Northeastern. Is it worth 90k a year? No.

Isn’t that a pretty standard price now?

Standard? Not if you go public or "lesser" private

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Anonymous wrote:The Irish elite never went to Boston College its mission was to educate working class /poor kids who commuted from home. They did admirable job. Wealthy Irish families sent l their sons to Harvard, Dartmouth or more likely Holy Cross. The old wasps that ran Harvard and other Ivies never played BC in football rather they played and continue to play Holy Cross. It is remarkable that HC which never had a student body of over 1600 men over 4 years played Harvard, Yale, Dartmouth, and Brown since the 1890s.

Yes but no. BC was created for working class Irish. It was called a university of our own. But starting in the 1920s and exploding after ww2, the grads became successful. And their kids went there. And they became successful. It changed from a lower middle class place to a middle class place to an UMC place to something more. All on the backs of the people that went. So I agree not a place the rich Irish went until say the 1980s when it changed.

I agree. It was a place for the ambitious smart kids of Irish immigrants who eventually dominated the politics of Boston by becoming lawyers, judges and running for office. How anyone can look own on this is beyond me.

Because real scholarship and networking took place at Protestant Ivies and NESCAC schools. "Night School" is BC and a terrible Kevin Hart movie.

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Anonymous wrote:Nice school along the lines of BU, Tulane, SMU, and Northeastern. Is it worth 90k a year? No.

Isn’t that a pretty standard price now?

Standard? Not if you go public or "lesser" private

Plenty of mediocre privates in BC's tier are less expensive. Better schools offer better aid because they are endowed by successful alumni and a long history of success.

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Is there that much of a difference in grad outcomes then from a UMass with its highly regarded Isenberg School of Business. UMass has decent alumni network also.

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Anonymous wrote:Fact BC, BU, and NU were commuter schools until the 80s or 90s. Primary focus was working class kids not like Williams Tufts Holy Cross, Notre Dame. For reference the patriarch of Kennedy family graduated from Harvard not BC well over 100 years ago!

MIT used to be a vocational school.
C, BU, and NU have a great history of serving working class and common people in this country.
That is a proud history opposed to the schools that were like country clubs for rich Whites.

BC as a commuter school turned out a lot of politicians and lawyers/judges.

John Kerry, Tip ONeil, Ed Markey for example. Massachusetts has a long history of governors, attorneys general, state reps, US congressmen, judges at all levels who went to Boston College. BC had an excellent reputation as a commuter school. I know some of you use “commuter school” as a slur but it doesn’t apply here.

Don't claim John Kerry as an alum, he went to a prestigious HS and college and somehow mucked it up and went to BC for his JD. BC's most famous alum is Doug Flutie, his name ID is greater than Markey and O'Neil. Saying BC produces a lot of pols for a commuter school is as ridiculous as saying Eureka College produced a lot of presidents for being a small unselective LAC. What's your point?

The point is these people who scoff at former commuter schools or schools for working class immigrants don’t seem to understand how successful these schools were in allowing working class students to be well educated and rise to the top. You would probably have to be from Massachusetts to truly understand how BC, NEU,Suffolk and others contributed to Massachusetts being consistently on top as the most educated state.

The comparison to Eureka is just stupid.

Schools like Harvard have always educated people from all over the world. BC and others allowed a larger part of the state’s population to become teachers, judges, mayors, and many other careers. Like a lot of schools around the country they have broadened their reach. Don’t try to make that a negative.

Most elite schools have a different history. You’re better off going to a school with a gilded past than one that transforms Joe Schmoe into a pensioned HS gym teacher.

Most people don’t have kids heading to Harvard or Yale or Princeton with their “different histories”. These schools are now educating the international elite.

What careers do you think these kids are heading into that a school like BC wouldn’t be appropriate? Specifically what job titles?

Most good students end up at a T25. A handful stay in-state to save a ton of money. If your best option is BC you are not a good student. There is a world of difference between HYP or bust and T25 or bust.

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^Agree

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Anonymous wrote:Is there that much of a difference in grad outcomes then from a UMass with its highly regarded Isenberg School of Business. UMass has decent alumni network also.

Not much of a difference. You can grind at UMass, conduct alumni outreach, and be fine. You can also save a few hundred thousand and buy a house or condo in Boston after.

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Anonymous wrote:Nice school along the lines of BU, Tulane, SMU, and Northeastern. Is it worth 90k a year? No.

Isn’t that a pretty standard price now?

Standard? Not if you go public or "lesser" private

Whats lesser private?

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Anonymous wrote:Nice school along the lines of BU, Tulane, SMU, and Northeastern. Is it worth 90k a year? No.

Isn’t that a pretty standard price now?

Standard? Not if you go public or "lesser" private

Whats lesser private?

Tulane

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Duke, Dartmouth, USC, Cornell, WUSTL, Emory, Georgetown, and others have all been equated with BC.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there that much of a difference in grad outcomes then from a UMass with its highly regarded Isenberg School of Business. UMass has decent alumni network also.

Yes, UMass gets hired over BC.