Anyone get telework approved at SEC?

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Anonymous wrote:So Doge wants efficiencies? Who is gonna do it? Who is gonna flood the form with - we’d get more done for investors if we could log in after picking up kids or didn’t have to take the whole day off for a mid day doctors appointment or because the car needs to be taken to the shop. One person says it, they’ll dox you. 4300 people say it, are they going to fire all of us?

I was going to put on the form that if people TW they could downsize their RE footprint and save a ton of money.

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Wash Post: “The ‘5 things’ emails are going by the wayside…”

So great to see the agency mentioned here as one of the few agencies that had the courage to take the 5 Bullets seriously and “institutionalized” the requirement. Inspiring indeed.

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Anonymous wrote:So Doge wants efficiencies? Who is gonna do it? Who is gonna flood the form with - we’d get more done for investors if we could log in after picking up kids or didn’t have to take the whole day off for a mid day doctors appointment or because the car needs to be taken to the shop. One person says it, they’ll dox you. 4300 people say it, are they going to fire all of us?

I was going to put on the form that if people TW they could downsize their RE footprint and save a ton of money.

If you think it’s anonymous, I have a timeshare in Miami for you…

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Anonymous wrote:So Doge wants efficiencies? Who is gonna do it? Who is gonna flood the form with - we’d get more done for investors if we could log in after picking up kids or didn’t have to take the whole day off for a mid day doctors appointment or because the car needs to be taken to the shop. One person says it, they’ll dox you. 4300 people say it, are they going to fire all of us?

I was going to put on the form that if people TW they could downsize their RE footprint and save a ton of money.

If you think it’s anonymous, I have a timeshare in Miami for you…

I think it’s fine to say TW but ideally a lot of people say TW - not just one or a few dozen people. But then this is SEC, I’ve never met more people scared of their shadows in my life.

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Anonymous wrote:So Doge wants efficiencies? Who is gonna do it? Who is gonna flood the form with - we’d get more done for investors if we could log in after picking up kids or didn’t have to take the whole day off for a mid day doctors appointment or because the car needs to be taken to the shop. One person says it, they’ll dox you. 4300 people say it, are they going to fire all of us?

I was going to put on the form that if people TW they could downsize their RE footprint and save a ton of money.

If you think it’s anonymous, I have a timeshare in Miami for you…

PP here and I was joking. They want people to quit which is why they did full time RTO with 0 TW. No amount of efficiency will change their position.

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Anonymous wrote:So Doge wants efficiencies? Who is gonna do it? Who is gonna flood the form with - we’d get more done for investors if we could log in after picking up kids or didn’t have to take the whole day off for a mid day doctors appointment or because the car needs to be taken to the shop. One person says it, they’ll dox you. 4300 people say it, are they going to fire all of us?

I was going to put on the form that if people TW they could downsize their RE footprint and save a ton of money.

If you think it’s anonymous, I have a timeshare in Miami for you…

PP here and I was joking. They want people to quit which is why they did full time RTO with 0 TW. No amount of efficiency will change their position.

How many people do they want to quit? Why not set a specific target and then move toward it, using various means?

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Anonymous wrote:So Doge wants efficiencies? Who is gonna do it? Who is gonna flood the form with - we’d get more done for investors if we could log in after picking up kids or didn’t have to take the whole day off for a mid day doctors appointment or because the car needs to be taken to the shop. One person says it, they’ll dox you. 4300 people say it, are they going to fire all of us?

I was going to put on the form that if people TW they could downsize their RE footprint and save a ton of money.

If you think it’s anonymous, I have a timeshare in Miami for you…

PP here and I was joking. They want people to quit which is why they did full time RTO with 0 TW. No amount of efficiency will change their position.

How many people do they want to quit? Why not set a specific target and then move toward it, using various means?

Easier and cheaper for people to quit as RIFs require work and paying severance. I suspect it would also send a negative signal to the markets if the SEC did RIFs. Then again, Paul isn't even sworn in yet so I wouldn't assume RIFs are off the table. Finally, the SEC is small, they may just not have gotten to is yet.

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Anonymous wrote:So Doge wants efficiencies? Who is gonna do it? Who is gonna flood the form with - we’d get more done for investors if we could log in after picking up kids or didn’t have to take the whole day off for a mid day doctors appointment or because the car needs to be taken to the shop. One person says it, they’ll dox you. 4300 people say it, are they going to fire all of us?

I was going to put on the form that if people TW they could downsize their RE footprint and save a ton of money.

If you think it’s anonymous, I have a timeshare in Miami for you…

PP here and I was joking. They want people to quit which is why they did full time RTO with 0 TW. No amount of efficiency will change their position.

How many people do they want to quit? Why not set a specific target and then move toward it, using various means?

That’s what I’m putting in my form: announce what number of staff they want, and announce the specific plan and set of benchmarks for achieving it. Giving staff certainty and transparency will improve morale, increase efficiency, and increase attrition. Win win win.

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Anonymous wrote:So how was the week for everyone - besides the spring breakers?

Horrible? Can you keep doing it as long as you need to - like you get a new job, get old enough for a VERA etc? Anyone thinking of just quitting w no job? Or was it NBD?

I’ve been in for a month+ by now. It’s not great, but let’s not pretend it’s horrific either.

And no, I am not kidless and/or living in NOMA. I have one elementary school and one middle and have nearly an hour commute.

People need to keep some perspective here.

+1. I thought it was fine too. I'm not saying it was soooo great or that I'd rather RTO than telework. But IDK it was doable and yes I have a commute too; kids are older so that likely makes it easier as they were still at activities when I got home daily and they are old enough that they do not want mom and dad at every practice anyway so I didn't feel like I missed anything.

I wouldn’t say it was no dig deal. I can do this for now. I have kids, two elementary. Finding care for longer hours with such short notice was a challenge and we had to cobble together coverage. We don’t always make sports practices that are earlier in the day like we used to. That may change for the next school year and beyond as we pivot to other things that work for our schedule.

Ask me again in 6 months, or a year and I might feel differently about whether it will drive me to look elsewhere. It is a slog. I also think it is a benefit that set us apart from private industry, especially now that so many are doing RTO. If RTO stays for the long haul, that might make it harder to compete for talent when we finally do hire at some point someday.

+1 on the difficulty of finding childcare for elementary school kids being really hard on such short notice in the middle of the school year. They could have done this starting end of the school year where people have summer camps scheduled and they could get in line early for after care options. I get it though, they really want people to quit.

So what did you do with elementary school kids before hand?

They presumably get home around 3:30. So did you just work the last couple of hours of your day with them home? (With school starting around 9, you presumably couldn’t start too early.)

If you and a spouse are both Feds and now both had to RTO, I can see where a problem arises because you could have previously staggered and had one person work early and do after school and the other do before school and work later.

But otherwise, you were spending the last couple of hours doing both child care and work, which you aren’t supposed to do, and which is part of what gives WFH a bad name. (Cue chorus of everyone who chimes in saying their Petunia, although only 7, doesn’t need any supervision and doesn’t distract from work at all.)

DP. I always wonder if posters like you just never had kids, or had a SAHP, or what. It doesn't take much imagination to understand the problem.

Scenario 1. There's no school bus, so somebody has to pick kids up at 3:30. Teleworking parent had a scheduled break (meaning, they worked longer to cover the time) to do pick up. Now that's not an option, so they need aftercare.

Scenario 2. Parent teleworked 7 - 3:30 and was off in the afternoon. But adding 2 hours of commute to that schedule would mean leaving work an hour earlier to pick up at 3:30 ... or finding aftercare.

Scenario 3. Kids - yes, as young as 7 - take the bus home, let themselves in, and don't need any attention until the end of the workday. But parents nonetheless want someone in the house for emergencies, plus the commute means that kid is alone an extra hour or so longer than if the parent was WFH. Kids end up in aftercare instead.

Nope. Two kids. Two parents working full time.

Scenario 1 means you are working the last couple of hours when the kid is home. Same with scenario 3, but if you were wfh, why was there a need to have the kids let themselves in in the first place.

And BS that elementary, particularly early elementary don’t need attention and aren’t distracting over a two hour span that you are supposedly working.

I'm sorry your kids are so much trouble. Mine just do their homework and then read.

ES runs up to about age 12, btw. You're really arguing that a 12 yo cannot sit at home for 90 minutes without bothering their parents? That's silly. Now back it up - could a 10 yo mind their business for 90 minutes? Of course.
Younger than 10, it depends more on the kid, but recall that this generation got plenty of practice during covid closures when parents and kids went to their separate corners for the day. I would not try to WFH with a 5 yo, but I did with my kid when they were 7 yo during covid and it was fine.

A 12 yr old is in middle school. A ten year old could leave you alone to work, but it’s not likely. And working from home with a seven year old may have been “fine” with different Covid expectations, but it’s not shocking employers want less distraction now.

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I too would like us all to respond with “allowing telework would be more efficient”

But absent huge participation, not gonna happen. Instead I hope they get complete silence in response to that inquiry.

So who is the villain here? Who institutionalized the 5 bullet points? Who rushed us to RTO ( and was dumb enough to do it in the middle of a pay period?) who are the actual people doing this? Is it MU?

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I’m definitely responding with telework. I dont care if it isnt anonymous. It is the truth that I am more efficient when allowed to telework on a regular schedule. The next two months I am taking three days off because of doctors appointments. With telework I could easily work almost a full day. But I just won’t be bothered. I will take sick leave and use credit hours.

Plus, the amount of distraction with people stopping by my office constantly is enormous. That will wane somewhat but will still be very distracting — and less efficient.

I’m not going to be an ass about it. But they asked and I will tell.

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Anonymous wrote:I too would like us all to respond with “allowing telework would be more efficient”

But absent huge participation, not gonna happen. Instead I hope they get complete silence in response to that inquiry.

So who is the villain here? Who institutionalized the 5 bullet points? Who rushed us to RTO ( and was dumb enough to do it in the middle of a pay period?) who are the actual people doing this? Is it MU?

It's MU to the extent he wants to impress the administration and get a promotion.

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Anonymous wrote:I too would like us all to respond with “allowing telework would be more efficient”

But absent huge participation, not gonna happen. Instead I hope they get complete silence in response to that inquiry.

So who is the villain here? Who institutionalized the 5 bullet points? Who rushed us to RTO ( and was dumb enough to do it in the middle of a pay period?) who are the actual people doing this? Is it MU?

The fact that many agencies never implemented or enforced 5 bullets, you can infer who the villains are.

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Anonymous wrote:I too would like us all to respond with “allowing telework would be more efficient”

But absent huge participation, not gonna happen. Instead I hope they get complete silence in response to that inquiry.

So who is the villain here? Who institutionalized the 5 bullet points? Who rushed us to RTO ( and was dumb enough to do it in the middle of a pay period?) who are the actual people doing this? Is it MU?

The fact that many agencies never implemented or enforced 5 bullets, you can infer who the villains are.

Is that even true? Some have backed away from it more recently, but it seemed like at least the vast majority complied initially.

More fundamentally, we are really calling someone a “villain” for going along with the five bullets? That seems a bit much.

[Anonymous]

the form will be used as a means to fire people in my view. i don’t believe doge is trying to help the agency