Anyone get telework approved at SEC?

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Anonymous wrote:Do they have a dashboard to track who leaves a half hour early to take lunch “in violation of the CBA”?

It’s not violating the CBA dumb*ss … it’s violating the agency’s work hour policies which are the same in almost every other agency. Go ahead and keep on stealing time, your coworkers will love you and eventually you’ll get yours.

Somebody’s jealous and angry. Sorry you don’t have any courage.

Please point me to the AGENCY policy that says that staff must take lunch in the middle of their workday (or at any particular time). You can’t and you won’t, bc you’re just making things up.

It’s in the CBA and people have posted the specific provision many time throughout this thread.

That CBA isn’t agency policy. Once again, not a single person can cite agency policy (obviously!). So they just resort to “well, everyone just knows it.”

How do you figure that the CBA isn’t agency policy?

If the CBA were agency policy, we’d be teleworking. The CBA is the CBA — it’s not official agency policy. Obviously.

The CBA is a mixture of rights and responsibilities, unfortunately with TW they breached a right, it doesn't take away from the other responsibilities/agency policies in there.

All that said, I think its highly unlikely you will get written up for it unless your boss otherwise hates you. I get the feeling by the way that if they don't hold up their end of the deal why should we on some of these non-substantive points.

All agency policies are listed on the hr portal. There is nothing on there that says when you can take lunch. Nor does your timesheet ask when you took lunch. Case closed.

All the idiots on this board who want to contort and do mental gymnastics to create a fake policy are just mad that they’ve been overworking and wasting a half hour of their life unnecessarily.

SECR 6-15 incorporates the CBA work schedules article (article 7) in full as SEC policy for all bargaining and non-bargaining unit employees. Go read it on the OHR policy list.

Article 7, section 14 says “An employee's lunch break normally should be taken between 11:00 a.m. and 3:00 p.m. An employee may not save any part of their lunch break so as to shorten their workday, or to extend subsequent lunch periods.”

Also see section 2(C): “C. All full-time work schedules, and part-time work schedules in which an employee works more than six hours on a given day, must include an unpaid lunch break extending the employee's hours of work by thirty (30) minutes. However, if, on a day in which the employee was scheduled to work more than six hours, the employee, through the use of annual leave, credit hours or otherwise, works six or less hours, the employee will not be required to take an unpaid lunch break extending the employee's hours of work by thirty (30) minutes.”

There is no debate or doubt here. You cannot take your unpaid lunch at the end of the day, and you can only avoid the unpaid lunch on a day with 6 (or fewer) scheduled hours.

Total nonsense. First, notice how you didn’t quote Reg 6-15. Because you know that would undermine your entire logic.

Second, nothing in the CBA says that you can’t take your lunch break AT THE END of your workday. That’s not “shortening” the workday.

Finally, and most importantly, it’s hilarious that you’re even talking about the CBA, which has been thrown out the window. You don’t get to pick and choose which parts of a contract you like and which ones you want to ignore. Do agency policies incorporate the CBA or not?

Look, I’m sorry the CBA was poorly drafted and didn’t contemplate this loophole. Do better next time.

If you are so certain, submit an askHR inquiry and see what they tell you. Oh wait, you won’t because you know you’ll be investigated for a time and attendance violation. Would love to be a fly on the wall when you make this argument in the HR disciplinary hearing.

What’s an hr disciplinary hearing? Is that part of the CBA arbitration?

So I should submit hypothetical fact patterns to HR and ask them to opine on them, even when there’s no policy that addresses the issue? Sorry, but ad hoc replies from an sk 12 in HR does not equate to official agency policy.

No, clearly the only thing you consider official agency policy is your proclamations.

Still can’t find the policy? You’ll be looking for a looong time. Clearly, this “policy” is enforced very seriously.

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Anonymous wrote:Do they have a dashboard to track who leaves a half hour early to take lunch “in violation of the CBA”?

It’s not violating the CBA dumb*ss … it’s violating the agency’s work hour policies which are the same in almost every other agency. Go ahead and keep on stealing time, your coworkers will love you and eventually you’ll get yours.

Somebody’s jealous and angry. Sorry you don’t have any courage.

Please point me to the AGENCY policy that says that staff must take lunch in the middle of their workday (or at any particular time). You can’t and you won’t, bc you’re just making things up.

It’s in the CBA and people have posted the specific provision many time throughout this thread.

That CBA isn’t agency policy. Once again, not a single person can cite agency policy (obviously!). So they just resort to “well, everyone just knows it.”

How do you figure that the CBA isn’t agency policy?

If the CBA were agency policy, we’d be teleworking. The CBA is the CBA — it’s not official agency policy. Obviously.

The CBA is a mixture of rights and responsibilities, unfortunately with TW they breached a right, it doesn't take away from the other responsibilities/agency policies in there.

All that said, I think its highly unlikely you will get written up for it unless your boss otherwise hates you. I get the feeling by the way that if they don't hold up their end of the deal why should we on some of these non-substantive points.

All agency policies are listed on the hr portal. There is nothing on there that says when you can take lunch. Nor does your timesheet ask when you took lunch. Case closed.

All the idiots on this board who want to contort and do mental gymnastics to create a fake policy are just mad that they’ve been overworking and wasting a half hour of their life unnecessarily.

SECR 6-15 incorporates the CBA work schedules article (article 7) in full as SEC policy for all bargaining and non-bargaining unit employees. Go read it on the OHR policy list.

Article 7, section 14 says “An employee's lunch break normally should be taken between 11:00 a.m. and 3:00 p.m. An employee may not save any part of their lunch break so as to shorten their workday, or to extend subsequent lunch periods.”

Also see section 2(C): “C. All full-time work schedules, and part-time work schedules in which an employee works more than six hours on a given day, must include an unpaid lunch break extending the employee's hours of work by thirty (30) minutes. However, if, on a day in which the employee was scheduled to work more than six hours, the employee, through the use of annual leave, credit hours or otherwise, works six or less hours, the employee will not be required to take an unpaid lunch break extending the employee's hours of work by thirty (30) minutes.”

There is no debate or doubt here. You cannot take your unpaid lunch at the end of the day, and you can only avoid the unpaid lunch on a day with 6 (or fewer) scheduled hours.

Total nonsense. First, notice how you didn’t quote Reg 6-15. Because you know that would undermine your entire logic.

Second, nothing in the CBA says that you can’t take your lunch break AT THE END of your workday. That’s not “shortening” the workday.

Finally, and most importantly, it’s hilarious that you’re even talking about the CBA, which has been thrown out the window. You don’t get to pick and choose which parts of a contract you like and which ones you want to ignore. Do agency policies incorporate the CBA or not?

Look, I’m sorry the CBA was poorly drafted and didn’t contemplate this loophole. Do better next time.

If you are so certain, submit an askHR inquiry and see what they tell you. Oh wait, you won’t because you know you’ll be investigated for a time and attendance violation. Would love to be a fly on the wall when you make this argument in the HR disciplinary hearing.

What’s an hr disciplinary hearing? Is that part of the CBA arbitration?

So I should submit hypothetical fact patterns to HR and ask them to opine on them, even when there’s no policy that addresses the issue? Sorry, but ad hoc replies from an sk 12 in HR does not equate to official agency policy.

No, clearly the only thing you consider official agency policy is your proclamations.

Under your (imaginary) policy, if my work day is 6 - 1230, when is the latest that I may eat lunch? 11:30? Or may I take lunch from 11:59 to 12:29?

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Anonymous wrote:Do they have a dashboard to track who leaves a half hour early to take lunch “in violation of the CBA”?

It’s not violating the CBA dumb*ss … it’s violating the agency’s work hour policies which are the same in almost every other agency. Go ahead and keep on stealing time, your coworkers will love you and eventually you’ll get yours.

Somebody’s jealous and angry. Sorry you don’t have any courage.

Please point me to the AGENCY policy that says that staff must take lunch in the middle of their workday (or at any particular time). You can’t and you won’t, bc you’re just making things up.

It’s in the CBA and people have posted the specific provision many time throughout this thread.

That CBA isn’t agency policy. Once again, not a single person can cite agency policy (obviously!). So they just resort to “well, everyone just knows it.”

For crying out loud, can this please just die already. FAFO. Who cares?

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this thread is getting too repetitive. let’s see what the resolution will be on the cba then we will have the answer

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Anonymous wrote:Do they have a dashboard to track who leaves a half hour early to take lunch “in violation of the CBA”?

It’s not violating the CBA dumb*ss … it’s violating the agency’s work hour policies which are the same in almost every other agency. Go ahead and keep on stealing time, your coworkers will love you and eventually you’ll get yours.

Somebody’s jealous and angry. Sorry you don’t have any courage.

Please point me to the AGENCY policy that says that staff must take lunch in the middle of their workday (or at any particular time). You can’t and you won’t, bc you’re just making things up.

It’s in the CBA and people have posted the specific provision many time throughout this thread.

That CBA isn’t agency policy. Once again, not a single person can cite agency policy (obviously!). So they just resort to “well, everyone just knows it.”

For crying out loud, can this please just die already. FAFO. Who cares?

Seconded. It is very unlikely that person gets called out and if they do probably just a warning. Either way, back to the thread topic!

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Who else is trying to fit in some doc appts this week? I certainly am.

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Anonymous wrote:Do they have a dashboard to track who leaves a half hour early to take lunch “in violation of the CBA”?

It’s not violating the CBA dumb*ss … it’s violating the agency’s work hour policies which are the same in almost every other agency. Go ahead and keep on stealing time, your coworkers will love you and eventually you’ll get yours.

Somebody’s jealous and angry. Sorry you don’t have any courage.

Please point me to the AGENCY policy that says that staff must take lunch in the middle of their workday (or at any particular time). You can’t and you won’t, bc you’re just making things up.

It’s in the CBA and people have posted the specific provision many time throughout this thread.

That CBA isn’t agency policy. Once again, not a single person can cite agency policy (obviously!). So they just resort to “well, everyone just knows it.”

For crying out loud, can this please just die already. FAFO. Who cares?

Seconded. It is very unlikely that person gets called out and if they do probably just a warning. Either way, back to the thread topic!

Given how unpleasant this PP is it is not unlikely they will get reported by a coworker or called out by an observant manager eventually.

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Please I need to work from home to watch Netflix, take a bath, do laundry, go to Whole Foods and nap.

[Anonymous]

My daughter had a doctors appointment today at 1. Normally, I would have teleworked the whole day and taken 1-2 hrs sick leave for the appointment. I didn’t want to put in a request for telework because I have a few doctors appointments coming up myself. So, I took sick leave the whole day. It was glorious. I had a nice lunch out with my kid, caught up on housework, and took my daughter to her appointment without feeling rushed.

I did, however, have a ton of things to do today that will get pushed. Other people will be inconvenienced because they will have less time to review.

I really enjoyed my day nonetheless.

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Anonymous wrote:Do they have a dashboard to track who leaves a half hour early to take lunch “in violation of the CBA”?

It’s not violating the CBA dumb*ss … it’s violating the agency’s work hour policies which are the same in almost every other agency. Go ahead and keep on stealing time, your coworkers will love you and eventually you’ll get yours.

Somebody’s jealous and angry. Sorry you don’t have any courage.

Please point me to the AGENCY policy that says that staff must take lunch in the middle of their workday (or at any particular time). You can’t and you won’t, bc you’re just making things up.

It’s in the CBA and people have posted the specific provision many time throughout this thread.

That CBA isn’t agency policy. Once again, not a single person can cite agency policy (obviously!). So they just resort to “well, everyone just knows it.”

For crying out loud, can this please just die already. FAFO. Who cares?

Funny how some are all worked up about when people eat lunch but not a peep about ignoring the CBA’s telework provisions.

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Anonymous wrote:Do they have a dashboard to track who leaves a half hour early to take lunch “in violation of the CBA”?

It’s not violating the CBA dumb*ss … it’s violating the agency’s work hour policies which are the same in almost every other agency. Go ahead and keep on stealing time, your coworkers will love you and eventually you’ll get yours.

Somebody’s jealous and angry. Sorry you don’t have any courage.

Please point me to the AGENCY policy that says that staff must take lunch in the middle of their workday (or at any particular time). You can’t and you won’t, bc you’re just making things up.

It’s in the CBA and people have posted the specific provision many time throughout this thread.

That CBA isn’t agency policy. Once again, not a single person can cite agency policy (obviously!). So they just resort to “well, everyone just knows it.”

For crying out loud, can this please just die already. FAFO. Who cares?

Funny how some are all worked up about when people eat lunch but not a peep about ignoring the CBA’s telework provisions.

Oh yeah, people have been totally silent about telework!

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Does everyone get telework this WTF for the weekend propaganda parade or is it department by department?

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Anonymous wrote:Does everyone get telework this WTF for the weekend propaganda parade or is it department by department?

You can telework but they track your computer to make sure that you don’t take lunch at the end of your work day.