Anyone get telework approved at SEC?

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Anonymous wrote:Do they have a dashboard to track who leaves a half hour early to take lunch “in violation of the CBA”?

It’s not violating the CBA dumb*ss … it’s violating the agency’s work hour policies which are the same in almost every other agency. Go ahead and keep on stealing time, your coworkers will love you and eventually you’ll get yours.

Somebody’s jealous and angry. Sorry you don’t have any courage.

Please point me to the AGENCY policy that says that staff must take lunch in the middle of their workday (or at any particular time). You can’t and you won’t, bc you’re just making things up.

It’s in the CBA and people have posted the specific provision many time throughout this thread.

That CBA isn’t agency policy. Once again, not a single person can cite agency policy (obviously!). So they just resort to “well, everyone just knows it.”

How do you figure that the CBA isn’t agency policy?

If the CBA were agency policy, we’d be teleworking. The CBA is the CBA — it’s not official agency policy. Obviously.

The CBA is a mixture of rights and responsibilities, unfortunately with TW they breached a right, it doesn't take away from the other responsibilities/agency policies in there.

All that said, I think its highly unlikely you will get written up for it unless your boss otherwise hates you. I get the feeling by the way that if they don't hold up their end of the deal why should we on some of these non-substantive points.

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Anonymous wrote:Do they have a dashboard to track who leaves a half hour early to take lunch “in violation of the CBA”?

It’s not violating the CBA dumb*ss … it’s violating the agency’s work hour policies which are the same in almost every other agency. Go ahead and keep on stealing time, your coworkers will love you and eventually you’ll get yours.

Somebody’s jealous and angry. Sorry you don’t have any courage.

Please point me to the AGENCY policy that says that staff must take lunch in the middle of their workday (or at any particular time). You can’t and you won’t, bc you’re just making things up.

It’s in the CBA and people have posted the specific provision many time throughout this thread.

That CBA isn’t agency policy. Once again, not a single person can cite agency policy (obviously!). So they just resort to “well, everyone just knows it.”

How do you figure that the CBA isn’t agency policy?

If the CBA were agency policy, we’d be teleworking. The CBA is the CBA — it’s not official agency policy. Obviously.

The CBA is a mixture of rights and responsibilities, unfortunately with TW they breached a right, it doesn't take away from the other responsibilities/agency policies in there.

All that said, I think its highly unlikely you will get written up for it unless your boss otherwise hates you. I get the feeling by the way that if they don't hold up their end of the deal why should we on some of these non-substantive points.

All agency policies are listed on the hr portal. There is nothing on there that says when you can take lunch. Nor does your timesheet ask when you took lunch. Case closed.

All the idiots on this board who want to contort and do mental gymnastics to create a fake policy are just mad that they’ve been overworking and wasting a half hour of their life unnecessarily.

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Anonymous wrote:Do they have a dashboard to track who leaves a half hour early to take lunch “in violation of the CBA”?

It’s not violating the CBA dumb*ss … it’s violating the agency’s work hour policies which are the same in almost every other agency. Go ahead and keep on stealing time, your coworkers will love you and eventually you’ll get yours.

Somebody’s jealous and angry. Sorry you don’t have any courage.

Please point me to the AGENCY policy that says that staff must take lunch in the middle of their workday (or at any particular time). You can’t and you won’t, bc you’re just making things up.

It’s in the CBA and people have posted the specific provision many time throughout this thread.

That CBA isn’t agency policy. Once again, not a single person can cite agency policy (obviously!). So they just resort to “well, everyone just knows it.”

How do you figure that the CBA isn’t agency policy?

If the CBA were agency policy, we’d be teleworking. The CBA is the CBA — it’s not official agency policy. Obviously.

The CBA is a mixture of rights and responsibilities, unfortunately with TW they breached a right, it doesn't take away from the other responsibilities/agency policies in there.

All that said, I think its highly unlikely you will get written up for it unless your boss otherwise hates you. I get the feeling by the way that if they don't hold up their end of the deal why should we on some of these non-substantive points.

All agency policies are listed on the hr portal. There is nothing on there that says when you can take lunch. Nor does your timesheet ask when you took lunch. Case closed.

All the idiots on this board who want to contort and do mental gymnastics to create a fake policy are just mad that they’ve been overworking and wasting a half hour of their life unnecessarily.

I guess no issue telling your manager what you're doing then (I work in office X to Y and take my lunch at the end of the day so you know my availability).

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Anonymous wrote:Do they have a dashboard to track who leaves a half hour early to take lunch “in violation of the CBA”?

It’s not violating the CBA dumb*ss … it’s violating the agency’s work hour policies which are the same in almost every other agency. Go ahead and keep on stealing time, your coworkers will love you and eventually you’ll get yours.

Somebody’s jealous and angry. Sorry you don’t have any courage.

Please point me to the AGENCY policy that says that staff must take lunch in the middle of their workday (or at any particular time). You can’t and you won’t, bc you’re just making things up.

It’s in the CBA and people have posted the specific provision many time throughout this thread.

That CBA isn’t agency policy. Once again, not a single person can cite agency policy (obviously!). So they just resort to “well, everyone just knows it.”

How do you figure that the CBA isn’t agency policy?

If the CBA were agency policy, we’d be teleworking. The CBA is the CBA — it’s not official agency policy. Obviously.

The CBA is a mixture of rights and responsibilities, unfortunately with TW they breached a right, it doesn't take away from the other responsibilities/agency policies in there.

All that said, I think its highly unlikely you will get written up for it unless your boss otherwise hates you. I get the feeling by the way that if they don't hold up their end of the deal why should we on some of these non-substantive points.

All agency policies are listed on the hr portal. There is nothing on there that says when you can take lunch. Nor does your timesheet ask when you took lunch. Case closed.

All the idiots on this board who want to contort and do mental gymnastics to create a fake policy are just mad that they’ve been overworking and wasting a half hour of their life unnecessarily.

I guess no issue telling your manager what you're doing then (I work in office X to Y and take my lunch at the end of the day so you know my availability).

So I should inundate my manager with a list of things that i do that don’t violate agency policy? Sounds like a good idea.

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Anonymous wrote:Do they have a dashboard to track who leaves a half hour early to take lunch “in violation of the CBA”?

It’s not violating the CBA dumb*ss … it’s violating the agency’s work hour policies which are the same in almost every other agency. Go ahead and keep on stealing time, your coworkers will love you and eventually you’ll get yours.

Somebody’s jealous and angry. Sorry you don’t have any courage.

Please point me to the AGENCY policy that says that staff must take lunch in the middle of their workday (or at any particular time). You can’t and you won’t, bc you’re just making things up.

It’s in the CBA and people have posted the specific provision many time throughout this thread.

That CBA isn’t agency policy. Once again, not a single person can cite agency policy (obviously!). So they just resort to “well, everyone just knows it.”

How do you figure that the CBA isn’t agency policy?

If the CBA were agency policy, we’d be teleworking. The CBA is the CBA — it’s not official agency policy. Obviously.

The CBA is a mixture of rights and responsibilities, unfortunately with TW they breached a right, it doesn't take away from the other responsibilities/agency policies in there.

All that said, I think its highly unlikely you will get written up for it unless your boss otherwise hates you. I get the feeling by the way that if they don't hold up their end of the deal why should we on some of these non-substantive points.

All agency policies are listed on the hr portal. There is nothing on there that says when you can take lunch. Nor does your timesheet ask when you took lunch. Case closed.

All the idiots on this board who want to contort and do mental gymnastics to create a fake policy are just mad that they’ve been overworking and wasting a half hour of their life unnecessarily.

I guess no issue telling your manager what you're doing then (I work in office X to Y and take my lunch at the end of the day so you know my availability).

So I should inundate my manager with a list of things that i do that don’t violate agency policy? Sounds like a good idea.

If you are so sure that everyone else is wrong about agency policy and you are right, then yes, you should ask.

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Anonymous wrote:Do they have a dashboard to track who leaves a half hour early to take lunch “in violation of the CBA”?

It’s not violating the CBA dumb*ss … it’s violating the agency’s work hour policies which are the same in almost every other agency. Go ahead and keep on stealing time, your coworkers will love you and eventually you’ll get yours.

Somebody’s jealous and angry. Sorry you don’t have any courage.

Please point me to the AGENCY policy that says that staff must take lunch in the middle of their workday (or at any particular time). You can’t and you won’t, bc you’re just making things up.

It’s in the CBA and people have posted the specific provision many time throughout this thread.

That CBA isn’t agency policy. Once again, not a single person can cite agency policy (obviously!). So they just resort to “well, everyone just knows it.”

How do you figure that the CBA isn’t agency policy?

If the CBA were agency policy, we’d be teleworking. The CBA is the CBA — it’s not official agency policy. Obviously.

The CBA is a mixture of rights and responsibilities, unfortunately with TW they breached a right, it doesn't take away from the other responsibilities/agency policies in there.

All that said, I think its highly unlikely you will get written up for it unless your boss otherwise hates you. I get the feeling by the way that if they don't hold up their end of the deal why should we on some of these non-substantive points.

All agency policies are listed on the hr portal. There is nothing on there that says when you can take lunch. Nor does your timesheet ask when you took lunch. Case closed.

All the idiots on this board who want to contort and do mental gymnastics to create a fake policy are just mad that they’ve been overworking and wasting a half hour of their life unnecessarily.

I guess no issue telling your manager what you're doing then (I work in office X to Y and take my lunch at the end of the day so you know my availability).

So I should inundate my manager with a list of things that i do that don’t violate agency policy? Sounds like a good idea.

You could also do an ask HR inquiry, see what they say.

[Anonymous]

Everyone thinks he’s so great for taking 6 weeks to end the 5 bullets. How low our standards have become.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Everyone thinks he’s so great for taking 6 weeks to end the 5 bullets. How low our standards have become.

I don't think anyone thinks he's so great...

[Anonymous]

Any updates on telework?

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Anonymous wrote:Do they have a dashboard to track who leaves a half hour early to take lunch “in violation of the CBA”?

It’s not violating the CBA dumb*ss … it’s violating the agency’s work hour policies which are the same in almost every other agency. Go ahead and keep on stealing time, your coworkers will love you and eventually you’ll get yours.

Somebody’s jealous and angry. Sorry you don’t have any courage.

Please point me to the AGENCY policy that says that staff must take lunch in the middle of their workday (or at any particular time). You can’t and you won’t, bc you’re just making things up.

It’s in the CBA and people have posted the specific provision many time throughout this thread.

That CBA isn’t agency policy. Once again, not a single person can cite agency policy (obviously!). So they just resort to “well, everyone just knows it.”

How do you figure that the CBA isn’t agency policy?

If the CBA were agency policy, we’d be teleworking. The CBA is the CBA — it’s not official agency policy. Obviously.

The CBA is a mixture of rights and responsibilities, unfortunately with TW they breached a right, it doesn't take away from the other responsibilities/agency policies in there.

All that said, I think its highly unlikely you will get written up for it unless your boss otherwise hates you. I get the feeling by the way that if they don't hold up their end of the deal why should we on some of these non-substantive points.

All agency policies are listed on the hr portal. There is nothing on there that says when you can take lunch. Nor does your timesheet ask when you took lunch. Case closed.

All the idiots on this board who want to contort and do mental gymnastics to create a fake policy are just mad that they’ve been overworking and wasting a half hour of their life unnecessarily.

SECR 6-15 incorporates the CBA work schedules article (article 7) in full as SEC policy for all bargaining and non-bargaining unit employees. Go read it on the OHR policy list.

Article 7, section 14 says “An employee's lunch break normally should be taken between 11:00 a.m. and 3:00 p.m. An employee may not save any part of their lunch break so as to shorten their workday, or to extend subsequent lunch periods.”

Also see section 2(C): “C. All full-time work schedules, and part-time work schedules in which an employee works more than six hours on a given day, must include an unpaid lunch break extending the employee's hours of work by thirty (30) minutes. However, if, on a day in which the employee was scheduled to work more than six hours, the employee, through the use of annual leave, credit hours or otherwise, works six or less hours, the employee will not be required to take an unpaid lunch break extending the employee's hours of work by thirty (30) minutes.”

There is no debate or doubt here. You cannot take your unpaid lunch at the end of the day, and you can only avoid the unpaid lunch on a day with 6 (or fewer) scheduled hours.

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Anonymous wrote:Do they have a dashboard to track who leaves a half hour early to take lunch “in violation of the CBA”?

It’s not violating the CBA dumb*ss … it’s violating the agency’s work hour policies which are the same in almost every other agency. Go ahead and keep on stealing time, your coworkers will love you and eventually you’ll get yours.

Somebody’s jealous and angry. Sorry you don’t have any courage.

Please point me to the AGENCY policy that says that staff must take lunch in the middle of their workday (or at any particular time). You can’t and you won’t, bc you’re just making things up.

It’s in the CBA and people have posted the specific provision many time throughout this thread.

That CBA isn’t agency policy. Once again, not a single person can cite agency policy (obviously!). So they just resort to “well, everyone just knows it.”

How do you figure that the CBA isn’t agency policy?

If the CBA were agency policy, we’d be teleworking. The CBA is the CBA — it’s not official agency policy. Obviously.

The CBA is a mixture of rights and responsibilities, unfortunately with TW they breached a right, it doesn't take away from the other responsibilities/agency policies in there.

All that said, I think its highly unlikely you will get written up for it unless your boss otherwise hates you. I get the feeling by the way that if they don't hold up their end of the deal why should we on some of these non-substantive points.

All agency policies are listed on the hr portal. There is nothing on there that says when you can take lunch. Nor does your timesheet ask when you took lunch. Case closed.

All the idiots on this board who want to contort and do mental gymnastics to create a fake policy are just mad that they’ve been overworking and wasting a half hour of their life unnecessarily.

SECR 6-15 incorporates the CBA work schedules article (article 7) in full as SEC policy for all bargaining and non-bargaining unit employees. Go read it on the OHR policy list.

Article 7, section 14 says “An employee's lunch break normally should be taken between 11:00 a.m. and 3:00 p.m. An employee may not save any part of their lunch break so as to shorten their workday, or to extend subsequent lunch periods.”

Also see section 2(C): “C. All full-time work schedules, and part-time work schedules in which an employee works more than six hours on a given day, must include an unpaid lunch break extending the employee's hours of work by thirty (30) minutes. However, if, on a day in which the employee was scheduled to work more than six hours, the employee, through the use of annual leave, credit hours or otherwise, works six or less hours, the employee will not be required to take an unpaid lunch break extending the employee's hours of work by thirty (30) minutes.”

There is no debate or doubt here. You cannot take your unpaid lunch at the end of the day, and you can only avoid the unpaid lunch on a day with 6 (or fewer) scheduled hours.

Total nonsense. First, notice how you didn’t quote Reg 6-15. Because you know that would undermine your entire logic.

Second, nothing in the CBA says that you can’t take your lunch break AT THE END of your workday. That’s not “shortening” the workday.

Finally, and most importantly, it’s hilarious that you’re even talking about the CBA, which has been thrown out the window. You don’t get to pick and choose which parts of a contract you like and which ones you want to ignore. Do agency policies incorporate the CBA or not?

Look, I’m sorry the CBA was poorly drafted and didn’t contemplate this loophole. Do better next time.

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Anonymous wrote:Do they have a dashboard to track who leaves a half hour early to take lunch “in violation of the CBA”?

It’s not violating the CBA dumb*ss … it’s violating the agency’s work hour policies which are the same in almost every other agency. Go ahead and keep on stealing time, your coworkers will love you and eventually you’ll get yours.

Somebody’s jealous and angry. Sorry you don’t have any courage.

Please point me to the AGENCY policy that says that staff must take lunch in the middle of their workday (or at any particular time). You can’t and you won’t, bc you’re just making things up.

It’s in the CBA and people have posted the specific provision many time throughout this thread.

That CBA isn’t agency policy. Once again, not a single person can cite agency policy (obviously!). So they just resort to “well, everyone just knows it.”

How do you figure that the CBA isn’t agency policy?

If the CBA were agency policy, we’d be teleworking. The CBA is the CBA — it’s not official agency policy. Obviously.

The CBA is a mixture of rights and responsibilities, unfortunately with TW they breached a right, it doesn't take away from the other responsibilities/agency policies in there.

All that said, I think its highly unlikely you will get written up for it unless your boss otherwise hates you. I get the feeling by the way that if they don't hold up their end of the deal why should we on some of these non-substantive points.

All agency policies are listed on the hr portal. There is nothing on there that says when you can take lunch. Nor does your timesheet ask when you took lunch. Case closed.

All the idiots on this board who want to contort and do mental gymnastics to create a fake policy are just mad that they’ve been overworking and wasting a half hour of their life unnecessarily.

SECR 6-15 incorporates the CBA work schedules article (article 7) in full as SEC policy for all bargaining and non-bargaining unit employees. Go read it on the OHR policy list.

Article 7, section 14 says “An employee's lunch break normally should be taken between 11:00 a.m. and 3:00 p.m. An employee may not save any part of their lunch break so as to shorten their workday, or to extend subsequent lunch periods.”

Also see section 2(C): “C. All full-time work schedules, and part-time work schedules in which an employee works more than six hours on a given day, must include an unpaid lunch break extending the employee's hours of work by thirty (30) minutes. However, if, on a day in which the employee was scheduled to work more than six hours, the employee, through the use of annual leave, credit hours or otherwise, works six or less hours, the employee will not be required to take an unpaid lunch break extending the employee's hours of work by thirty (30) minutes.”

There is no debate or doubt here. You cannot take your unpaid lunch at the end of the day, and you can only avoid the unpaid lunch on a day with 6 (or fewer) scheduled hours.

Total nonsense. First, notice how you didn’t quote Reg 6-15. Because you know that would undermine your entire logic.

Second, nothing in the CBA says that you can’t take your lunch break AT THE END of your workday. That’s not “shortening” the workday.

Finally, and most importantly, it’s hilarious that you’re even talking about the CBA, which has been thrown out the window. You don’t get to pick and choose which parts of a contract you like and which ones you want to ignore. Do agency policies incorporate the CBA or not?

Look, I’m sorry the CBA was poorly drafted and didn’t contemplate this loophole. Do better next time.

If you are so certain, submit an askHR inquiry and see what they tell you. Oh wait, you won’t because you know you’ll be investigated for a time and attendance violation. Would love to be a fly on the wall when you make this argument in the HR disciplinary hearing.

[Anonymous]

This is supposed to be a chill gig. I wanna stuff you nerds / hall monitors into a locker.

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Anonymous wrote:Do they have a dashboard to track who leaves a half hour early to take lunch “in violation of the CBA”?

It’s not violating the CBA dumb*ss … it’s violating the agency’s work hour policies which are the same in almost every other agency. Go ahead and keep on stealing time, your coworkers will love you and eventually you’ll get yours.

Somebody’s jealous and angry. Sorry you don’t have any courage.

Please point me to the AGENCY policy that says that staff must take lunch in the middle of their workday (or at any particular time). You can’t and you won’t, bc you’re just making things up.

It’s in the CBA and people have posted the specific provision many time throughout this thread.

That CBA isn’t agency policy. Once again, not a single person can cite agency policy (obviously!). So they just resort to “well, everyone just knows it.”

How do you figure that the CBA isn’t agency policy?

If the CBA were agency policy, we’d be teleworking. The CBA is the CBA — it’s not official agency policy. Obviously.

The CBA is a mixture of rights and responsibilities, unfortunately with TW they breached a right, it doesn't take away from the other responsibilities/agency policies in there.

All that said, I think its highly unlikely you will get written up for it unless your boss otherwise hates you. I get the feeling by the way that if they don't hold up their end of the deal why should we on some of these non-substantive points.

All agency policies are listed on the hr portal. There is nothing on there that says when you can take lunch. Nor does your timesheet ask when you took lunch. Case closed.

All the idiots on this board who want to contort and do mental gymnastics to create a fake policy are just mad that they’ve been overworking and wasting a half hour of their life unnecessarily.

SECR 6-15 incorporates the CBA work schedules article (article 7) in full as SEC policy for all bargaining and non-bargaining unit employees. Go read it on the OHR policy list.

Article 7, section 14 says “An employee's lunch break normally should be taken between 11:00 a.m. and 3:00 p.m. An employee may not save any part of their lunch break so as to shorten their workday, or to extend subsequent lunch periods.”

Also see section 2(C): “C. All full-time work schedules, and part-time work schedules in which an employee works more than six hours on a given day, must include an unpaid lunch break extending the employee's hours of work by thirty (30) minutes. However, if, on a day in which the employee was scheduled to work more than six hours, the employee, through the use of annual leave, credit hours or otherwise, works six or less hours, the employee will not be required to take an unpaid lunch break extending the employee's hours of work by thirty (30) minutes.”

There is no debate or doubt here. You cannot take your unpaid lunch at the end of the day, and you can only avoid the unpaid lunch on a day with 6 (or fewer) scheduled hours.

Total nonsense. First, notice how you didn’t quote Reg 6-15. Because you know that would undermine your entire logic.

Second, nothing in the CBA says that you can’t take your lunch break AT THE END of your workday. That’s not “shortening” the workday.

Finally, and most importantly, it’s hilarious that you’re even talking about the CBA, which has been thrown out the window. You don’t get to pick and choose which parts of a contract you like and which ones you want to ignore. Do agency policies incorporate the CBA or not?

Look, I’m sorry the CBA was poorly drafted and didn’t contemplate this loophole. Do better next time.

If you are so certain, submit an askHR inquiry and see what they tell you. Oh wait, you won’t because you know you’ll be investigated for a time and attendance violation. Would love to be a fly on the wall when you make this argument in the HR disciplinary hearing.

What’s an hr disciplinary hearing? Is that part of the CBA arbitration?

So I should submit hypothetical fact patterns to HR and ask them to opine on them, even when there’s no policy that addresses the issue? Sorry, but ad hoc replies from an sk 12 in HR does not equate to official agency policy.

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Anonymous wrote:Do they have a dashboard to track who leaves a half hour early to take lunch “in violation of the CBA”?

It’s not violating the CBA dumb*ss … it’s violating the agency’s work hour policies which are the same in almost every other agency. Go ahead and keep on stealing time, your coworkers will love you and eventually you’ll get yours.

Somebody’s jealous and angry. Sorry you don’t have any courage.

Please point me to the AGENCY policy that says that staff must take lunch in the middle of their workday (or at any particular time). You can’t and you won’t, bc you’re just making things up.

It’s in the CBA and people have posted the specific provision many time throughout this thread.

That CBA isn’t agency policy. Once again, not a single person can cite agency policy (obviously!). So they just resort to “well, everyone just knows it.”

How do you figure that the CBA isn’t agency policy?

If the CBA were agency policy, we’d be teleworking. The CBA is the CBA — it’s not official agency policy. Obviously.

The CBA is a mixture of rights and responsibilities, unfortunately with TW they breached a right, it doesn't take away from the other responsibilities/agency policies in there.

All that said, I think its highly unlikely you will get written up for it unless your boss otherwise hates you. I get the feeling by the way that if they don't hold up their end of the deal why should we on some of these non-substantive points.

All agency policies are listed on the hr portal. There is nothing on there that says when you can take lunch. Nor does your timesheet ask when you took lunch. Case closed.

All the idiots on this board who want to contort and do mental gymnastics to create a fake policy are just mad that they’ve been overworking and wasting a half hour of their life unnecessarily.

SECR 6-15 incorporates the CBA work schedules article (article 7) in full as SEC policy for all bargaining and non-bargaining unit employees. Go read it on the OHR policy list.

Article 7, section 14 says “An employee's lunch break normally should be taken between 11:00 a.m. and 3:00 p.m. An employee may not save any part of their lunch break so as to shorten their workday, or to extend subsequent lunch periods.”

Also see section 2(C): “C. All full-time work schedules, and part-time work schedules in which an employee works more than six hours on a given day, must include an unpaid lunch break extending the employee's hours of work by thirty (30) minutes. However, if, on a day in which the employee was scheduled to work more than six hours, the employee, through the use of annual leave, credit hours or otherwise, works six or less hours, the employee will not be required to take an unpaid lunch break extending the employee's hours of work by thirty (30) minutes.”

There is no debate or doubt here. You cannot take your unpaid lunch at the end of the day, and you can only avoid the unpaid lunch on a day with 6 (or fewer) scheduled hours.

Total nonsense. First, notice how you didn’t quote Reg 6-15. Because you know that would undermine your entire logic.

Second, nothing in the CBA says that you can’t take your lunch break AT THE END of your workday. That’s not “shortening” the workday.

Finally, and most importantly, it’s hilarious that you’re even talking about the CBA, which has been thrown out the window. You don’t get to pick and choose which parts of a contract you like and which ones you want to ignore. Do agency policies incorporate the CBA or not?

Look, I’m sorry the CBA was poorly drafted and didn’t contemplate this loophole. Do better next time.

If you are so certain, submit an askHR inquiry and see what they tell you. Oh wait, you won’t because you know you’ll be investigated for a time and attendance violation. Would love to be a fly on the wall when you make this argument in the HR disciplinary hearing.

What’s an hr disciplinary hearing? Is that part of the CBA arbitration?

So I should submit hypothetical fact patterns to HR and ask them to opine on them, even when there’s no policy that addresses the issue? Sorry, but ad hoc replies from an sk 12 in HR does not equate to official agency policy.

No, clearly the only thing you consider official agency policy is your proclamations.