Will Maga just watch the sinking ship or admit they were wrong?

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These are the things my MAGA relatives are saying on social media.

1. We knew prices wouldn't come down day 1. We knew it would take time. If you didn't know that then you're an idiot.

2. Through HIM all things are possible. Trust the process and keep the faith. It is always darkest before the dawn. We got this! (Not sure if the HIM is Trump or Jesus, but probably both, let's be honest)

(Typed out exactly as written by my uncle)
3. Yep prices are high as sh*t right now and yeah we prolly are going to go thru a recession but guess what? Not his fault at all and I and millions more get that. He cam in to the worst most f----- up economy since Regan It is going to take a lot to fix this sh*t. He is saving us millions uncovering the fraud and don't forget he donates his entire slary back to the US unlike sleepy FJB who stole stole stole from US and robbed the US blind!

Any MAGA that are deep in the cult will never admit that they were wrong. Those who have admitted to regretting their votes seem to be those who voted partyline because they always vote for a R or young people who voted for Trump because of Palestine.



Why would Republicans admit their vote was wrong? They won! So obviously their vote accomplished what they wanted it to. We're the ones who won't admit to being wrong. Which of our policies have we changed in response to the voters rejection of our platform? None.

We keep telling ourselves that the stock market or federal layoffs or Ukraine funding are the ultimate outcomes of politics, but those are all second derivatives. What matters first is winning and losing elections and being in or out of power. We just got booted out of power. Obviously we are the ones who should admit we were wrong. Something about our policies, personalities, and performance caused us to be rejected by the voters. We should figure out what it was and correct it.


I'm a local professor. I've talked to hundreds of young voters to try to find out what happened, and these are the 2 things I heard from them:
1. Palestine. They wanted a hard stance against Israel and pro-Palestine. They were very put off by Harris' statement “Israel has a right to go after the terrorists that are Hamas,” and believe that Israel did not do that. They think Israel went in like a bull in a china shop and caused as much destruction as possible and it wasn't a fair fight because Israel is so much more powerful than Palestine. They believe Israel used the attack as an excuse to eliminate as many Palestinians as possible not just Hamas.

2. The Harris campaign had a lack of direction. They don't think she had a firm stance on any policies. They do recognize that this was due to the restricted time she had to campaign, but they also believe that she was too meek to take any stances that were anti anything Biden believed or against any policies Biden had made.

People 18-44 overwhelming voted for Harris. However, people 18-25 overwhelming abstained from voting for a POTUS at all. I had 212 students during my Fall 2024 semester. Of those, 191 were registered to vote. Of those 191, only 54 voted for a Presidential candidate (52 Harris, 2 Trump).

I have 220 students for my Spring 2025 semester. 208 are registered voters; 68 voted for Harris; 4 voted for Trump; 1 voted 3rd party, and the other 135 did not cast a vote for a Presidential candidate.

Those are small sample sizes, but if that pattern continues across all campuses, as I believe it does, that is what sunk the Democrats this last go around.



Well, they are the ones who will have to live with the repercussions of electing Trump after the older people are gone. So I hope they are happy with what they did.


The failure lies with the party. Their job is to win votes. They failed to do so, and the youth vote was very clear what it would take. The party chose not to listen. The party got Trump elected. And the party will continue to lose until it decides it wants to win votes again.


“Be nice to us, or we will go to the people who make our lives materially worse”
Whatevs…


It's not about being "nice." It's about the fact that we vote for people to REPRESENT us. Meaning they are supposed to act in our name and do what WE WANT. If the voters are saying they want something from their elected representatives, and those representatives ignore them, it should surprise no one that those voters choose not to vote for those representatives. Why does the democratic party and so many on DCUM not understand that?

If you want the youth vote, you have to listen to their concerns. If you dismiss their concerns, they won't vote for you. End of story.


Hey dumbass. It’s been shown time and again that the democrats have the more popular platform.


Go to a flyover state and survey some swing voters. Ask them how they liked the Democratic Party platform on illegal immigration, on DEI quotas preventing white men from getting hired or promoted, on trans folks in girls' sports, on LGBTQIA+ sex ed in elementary schools, on deficit spending, on endless wars, etc.

Democrats quite obviously REFUSE to change policies, even when they are unpopular.


I live in a flyover state you pretentious twat.


Democrats are so insulting to voters these days. It's amazing. It reminds me of narcissistic rage. Democrats are so sure that they are the most intelligent and moral people in the country. Their self-regard is their religion. So when the voters reject that premise and say no, we don't consider you particularly intelligent or moral, it shocks and enrages them. And they just start lashing out. Everyone is a stupid racist cult member. Or a pretentious twat!


“ why don’t you listen to me. I’ll tell you what real Americans think. And don’t you dare call me a name and make me sad. I’m super smart and educated.” - typed from Bethesda.
You are a pretentious twat.


+1000000 The condescension and gloating are so creepy. It’s so obvious this poster is a MAGA troll pretending to be a Democrat.

Hundreds of posts on threads throughout this forum trying to pass off trivial Republican culture war obsessions as the official Democratic platform, and then lecturing all of us about how “we” live in a bubble. This person is not well.


There is one particular poster running around claiming to be a democrat but then posts these screeds about how everyone hates democrats; democrats are to blame for all past, present, and future ills; democrats will lose again because we are too obsessed with identity wars (usually inserting them into a discussion that has nothing to do with them nor has anyone talked about them). It's truly bizarre.


This is a very interesting point. Democrats and Republicans define each other's platforms differently and uncharitably.

There ARE official policy platform documents for each party, ratified around the time of their respective conventions. For each party, there are a few different ways to think of the platforms, ranging from:
most idealized (what the partisans believe about their own platform)
to semi-idealized (how the parties market themselves)
to semi-accurate (official stated policies)
to more accurate (policy track record and affects of those policies on outcomes)
to cynical (what opponents uncharitably say about the opposing platform)
to cynical/dishonest future predictions (what opponents fearmonger the opposition might decide to do in the future)

A good starting point for an honest comparison would be the policy platform documents. And the actual policies passed via law, executive order, and administrative rulemaking during each party's recent tenure.

And the results of those policies. Do any metrics improve--does income inequality every go down, do educational test scores ever go up, does homelessness ever go down, do houses ever get more affordable? Etc.

Here are the platforms themselves from this past election cycle.

https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/2024-democratic-party-platform
https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/2024-republican-party-platform
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Anonymous wrote:The House and senate could have already passed the bill Trump tanked last year on immigration. Why haven't they?


It was a bad bill. It would grant amnesty to lots of illegals, allows thousands to cross the border daily, etc. It was just a cynical campaign trick by Dems, not an actual tough on the border bill.
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Anonymous wrote:Sinking ship? Gas prices dropping. Inflation dropping. Peace coming to Russia-Ukraine. Federal government waste being eliminated.

I don't know what reality you lefties are living in but the country is moving on from the putrid stain that was the Biden-Harris administration and we're much better for it.


MAGA


How's your 401K doing? Or is it all crypto? Oh wait, crypto is down 30% since Trump took office. So much winning!



Maybe the Democrats will win the next election on issues of 401Ks and crypto?
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Anonymous wrote:Never.

These are the things my MAGA relatives are saying on social media.

1. We knew prices wouldn't come down day 1. We knew it would take time. If you didn't know that then you're an idiot.

2. Through HIM all things are possible. Trust the process and keep the faith. It is always darkest before the dawn. We got this! (Not sure if the HIM is Trump or Jesus, but probably both, let's be honest)

(Typed out exactly as written by my uncle)
3. Yep prices are high as sh*t right now and yeah we prolly are going to go thru a recession but guess what? Not his fault at all and I and millions more get that. He cam in to the worst most f----- up economy since Regan It is going to take a lot to fix this sh*t. He is saving us millions uncovering the fraud and don't forget he donates his entire slary back to the US unlike sleepy FJB who stole stole stole from US and robbed the US blind!

Any MAGA that are deep in the cult will never admit that they were wrong. Those who have admitted to regretting their votes seem to be those who voted partyline because they always vote for a R or young people who voted for Trump because of Palestine.



Why would Republicans admit their vote was wrong? They won! So obviously their vote accomplished what they wanted it to. We're the ones who won't admit to being wrong. Which of our policies have we changed in response to the voters rejection of our platform? None.

We keep telling ourselves that the stock market or federal layoffs or Ukraine funding are the ultimate outcomes of politics, but those are all second derivatives. What matters first is winning and losing elections and being in or out of power. We just got booted out of power. Obviously we are the ones who should admit we were wrong. Something about our policies, personalities, and performance caused us to be rejected by the voters. We should figure out what it was and correct it.


I'm a local professor. I've talked to hundreds of young voters to try to find out what happened, and these are the 2 things I heard from them:
1. Palestine. They wanted a hard stance against Israel and pro-Palestine. They were very put off by Harris' statement “Israel has a right to go after the terrorists that are Hamas,” and believe that Israel did not do that. They think Israel went in like a bull in a china shop and caused as much destruction as possible and it wasn't a fair fight because Israel is so much more powerful than Palestine. They believe Israel used the attack as an excuse to eliminate as many Palestinians as possible not just Hamas.

2. The Harris campaign had a lack of direction. They don't think she had a firm stance on any policies. They do recognize that this was due to the restricted time she had to campaign, but they also believe that she was too meek to take any stances that were anti anything Biden believed or against any policies Biden had made.

People 18-44 overwhelming voted for Harris. However, people 18-25 overwhelming abstained from voting for a POTUS at all. I had 212 students during my Fall 2024 semester. Of those, 191 were registered to vote. Of those 191, only 54 voted for a Presidential candidate (52 Harris, 2 Trump).

I have 220 students for my Spring 2025 semester. 208 are registered voters; 68 voted for Harris; 4 voted for Trump; 1 voted 3rd party, and the other 135 did not cast a vote for a Presidential candidate.

Those are small sample sizes, but if that pattern continues across all campuses, as I believe it does, that is what sunk the Democrats this last go around.



Well, they are the ones who will have to live with the repercussions of electing Trump after the older people are gone. So I hope they are happy with what they did.


The failure lies with the party. Their job is to win votes. They failed to do so, and the youth vote was very clear what it would take. The party chose not to listen. The party got Trump elected. And the party will continue to lose until it decides it wants to win votes again.


No, the Dems didn’t fail. Elon bought the election and childish college students (and Michigan) took a misguided “stand on Israel.”

Now, Trump is posting videos of him and Netanyahu sunbathing on a rebuilt Gaza beach with Trump Towers in the background. I hope all those kids are happy with their protest vote. I’m sure the people of Gaza really appreciate their moral outrage.

I’m so over people not voting in their own interests that I don’t care if the Dems ever get back in. I’m going to be fine. Let these kids FAFO. I hope R’s take away all their student loans.


We live in the stupidest timeline and I feel for our children. MAGAs who are fake christians in all that they do will throw a match to this sinking ship. They care about no one except their fake god dumpy.


We would think more clearly if we stopped talking about "MAGA." We've kind of hypnotized ourselves into this false belief that democracy has been hijacked by a few bad apple racist rednecks.

What actually happened is that the entire electorate shifted right. In spite of all of Trump's faults, in spite of all the warnings from media and academia and establishment politicians, the voters decided that the Democrats were so unappealing that they'd rather have Trump.

The people who rejected us weren't MAGA--MAGA was never with us. The people who rejected us were non-MAGA Republicans, Independents, Swing Voters, and Disaffected Democrats. We keep lumping them in with "MAGA," and calling them all stupid.

We are literally deaf and blind to the message the voters sent to us. I haven't seen a single post from a Democrat wondering how an Obama voter or a Biden voter could have possibly voted for Trump this time. Guess what? Many did. If we can't explain that or even wonder about it, we're screwed going forward.


No. Thousands of independents (me) and moderate democrats simply abstained from voting for a president.

I will never vote for Trump.
Harris was a joke.

I voted in Loudoun for my local election and policies that were up for a vote and skipped the presidential pick.

I consider myself an independent because I like bits and pieces of each party. I want immigration reform. I want Medicaid and EBT reform. I am part of the LGBTQ and want gay marriage to stay legal. I am all for trans rights. I think inflation needed a correction. I do not support tariffs. Etc etc.



I don’t care what you think. You sit it out, you don’t get a say.


That's not how any of this works. If you want to win next time, you'd best start listening to the people who weren't convinced last time.


There won't be a next time because people like you decided to abstain from voting rather then ensuring someone who publicly proclaimed being a dictator on day one, wasn't elected.


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If you didn’t even bother to vote, then STFU.


How about you STFU and LISTEN to people telling you why you didn't get their support. You can't bully people into voting blue.


Actually, you did cast a vote by sitting at home being lazy and apathetic. You voted for Trump. And I don't care if you ever vote again or Dem. There is no point in listening to people who lack critical thinking skills and maturity. You and all your buddies get what you asked for.


We seem to be entering an era in which Democrats would rather be "right" than win. The new litmus test...did you vote for Kamala? If not, you're out. Did you vote for Trump? If so, you're out. The new party is for proven Kamala enthusiasts only. They're gonna do great!
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Anonymous wrote:Do you think that they will ever admit that voting for a guy that can’t say a recession isn’t coming after he told them he’d have prices coming down, will ever say he was a mistake?


MAGAS don't have enough common sense to open their umbrella in a storm of $hit!
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Anonymous wrote:Never.

These are the things my MAGA relatives are saying on social media.

1. We knew prices wouldn't come down day 1. We knew it would take time. If you didn't know that then you're an idiot.

2. Through HIM all things are possible. Trust the process and keep the faith. It is always darkest before the dawn. We got this! (Not sure if the HIM is Trump or Jesus, but probably both, let's be honest)

(Typed out exactly as written by my uncle)
3. Yep prices are high as sh*t right now and yeah we prolly are going to go thru a recession but guess what? Not his fault at all and I and millions more get that. He cam in to the worst most f----- up economy since Regan It is going to take a lot to fix this sh*t. He is saving us millions uncovering the fraud and don't forget he donates his entire slary back to the US unlike sleepy FJB who stole stole stole from US and robbed the US blind!

Any MAGA that are deep in the cult will never admit that they were wrong. Those who have admitted to regretting their votes seem to be those who voted partyline because they always vote for a R or young people who voted for Trump because of Palestine.



Why would Republicans admit their vote was wrong? They won! So obviously their vote accomplished what they wanted it to. We're the ones who won't admit to being wrong. Which of our policies have we changed in response to the voters rejection of our platform? None.

We keep telling ourselves that the stock market or federal layoffs or Ukraine funding are the ultimate outcomes of politics, but those are all second derivatives. What matters first is winning and losing elections and being in or out of power. We just got booted out of power. Obviously we are the ones who should admit we were wrong. Something about our policies, personalities, and performance caused us to be rejected by the voters. We should figure out what it was and correct it.


I'm a local professor. I've talked to hundreds of young voters to try to find out what happened, and these are the 2 things I heard from them:
1. Palestine. They wanted a hard stance against Israel and pro-Palestine. They were very put off by Harris' statement “Israel has a right to go after the terrorists that are Hamas,” and believe that Israel did not do that. They think Israel went in like a bull in a china shop and caused as much destruction as possible and it wasn't a fair fight because Israel is so much more powerful than Palestine. They believe Israel used the attack as an excuse to eliminate as many Palestinians as possible not just Hamas.

2. The Harris campaign had a lack of direction. They don't think she had a firm stance on any policies. They do recognize that this was due to the restricted time she had to campaign, but they also believe that she was too meek to take any stances that were anti anything Biden believed or against any policies Biden had made.

People 18-44 overwhelming voted for Harris. However, people 18-25 overwhelming abstained from voting for a POTUS at all. I had 212 students during my Fall 2024 semester. Of those, 191 were registered to vote. Of those 191, only 54 voted for a Presidential candidate (52 Harris, 2 Trump).

I have 220 students for my Spring 2025 semester. 208 are registered voters; 68 voted for Harris; 4 voted for Trump; 1 voted 3rd party, and the other 135 did not cast a vote for a Presidential candidate.

Those are small sample sizes, but if that pattern continues across all campuses, as I believe it does, that is what sunk the Democrats this last go around.



Well, they are the ones who will have to live with the repercussions of electing Trump after the older people are gone. So I hope they are happy with what they did.


The failure lies with the party. Their job is to win votes. They failed to do so, and the youth vote was very clear what it would take. The party chose not to listen. The party got Trump elected. And the party will continue to lose until it decides it wants to win votes again.


No, the Dems didn’t fail. Elon bought the election and childish college students (and Michigan) took a misguided “stand on Israel.”

Now, Trump is posting videos of him and Netanyahu sunbathing on a rebuilt Gaza beach with Trump Towers in the background. I hope all those kids are happy with their protest vote. I’m sure the people of Gaza really appreciate their moral outrage.

I’m so over people not voting in their own interests that I don’t care if the Dems ever get back in. I’m going to be fine. Let these kids FAFO. I hope R’s take away all their student loans.


We live in the stupidest timeline and I feel for our children. MAGAs who are fake christians in all that they do will throw a match to this sinking ship. They care about no one except their fake god dumpy.


We would think more clearly if we stopped talking about "MAGA." We've kind of hypnotized ourselves into this false belief that democracy has been hijacked by a few bad apple racist rednecks.

What actually happened is that the entire electorate shifted right. In spite of all of Trump's faults, in spite of all the warnings from media and academia and establishment politicians, the voters decided that the Democrats were so unappealing that they'd rather have Trump.

The people who rejected us weren't MAGA--MAGA was never with us. The people who rejected us were non-MAGA Republicans, Independents, Swing Voters, and Disaffected Democrats. We keep lumping them in with "MAGA," and calling them all stupid.

We are literally deaf and blind to the message the voters sent to us. I haven't seen a single post from a Democrat wondering how an Obama voter or a Biden voter could have possibly voted for Trump this time. Guess what? Many did. If we can't explain that or even wonder about it, we're screwed going forward.


No. Thousands of independents (me) and moderate democrats simply abstained from voting for a president.

I will never vote for Trump.
Harris was a joke.

I voted in Loudoun for my local election and policies that were up for a vote and skipped the presidential pick.

I consider myself an independent because I like bits and pieces of each party. I want immigration reform. I want Medicaid and EBT reform. I am part of the LGBTQ and want gay marriage to stay legal. I am all for trans rights. I think inflation needed a correction. I do not support tariffs. Etc etc.



I don’t care what you think. You sit it out, you don’t get a say.


That's not how any of this works. If you want to win next time, you'd best start listening to the people who weren't convinced last time.


There won't be a next time because people like you decided to abstain from voting rather then ensuring someone who publicly proclaimed being a dictator on day one, wasn't elected.


+1

If you didn’t even bother to vote, then STFU.


How about you STFU and LISTEN to people telling you why you didn't get their support. You can't bully people into voting blue.


Actually, you did cast a vote by sitting at home being lazy and apathetic. You voted for Trump. And I don't care if you ever vote again or Dem. There is no point in listening to people who lack critical thinking skills and maturity. You and all your buddies get what you asked for.


We seem to be entering an era in which Democrats would rather be "right" than win. The new litmus test...did you vote for Kamala? If not, you're out. Did you vote for Trump? If so, you're out. The new party is for proven Kamala enthusiasts only. They're gonna do great!



It's easy. Did you vote for the one currently dismantling the Constitution?

If people can't agree on that, you know they aren't tooting gor the U.S. anyway.

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Anonymous wrote:The market dip is good because it allows more of us income-restricted individuals to buy in. Could I afford Tesla stock a few months ago at $475/share? Not really. I bought some the other day when it was $221.

I see this as a good thing. And Tesla is only going to go up now with Trump's endorsement.


To this “elite” snob, I see a direct correlation between your restricted income and your poor choices. You’re going to lose your shirt, but the Tesla board members who can’t dump their stock fast enough appreciate your sacrifice. Oh, who am I kidding, they don’t think about you at all.
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Anonymous wrote:Never.

These are the things my MAGA relatives are saying on social media.

1. We knew prices wouldn't come down day 1. We knew it would take time. If you didn't know that then you're an idiot.

2. Through HIM all things are possible. Trust the process and keep the faith. It is always darkest before the dawn. We got this! (Not sure if the HIM is Trump or Jesus, but probably both, let's be honest)

(Typed out exactly as written by my uncle)
3. Yep prices are high as sh*t right now and yeah we prolly are going to go thru a recession but guess what? Not his fault at all and I and millions more get that. He cam in to the worst most f----- up economy since Regan It is going to take a lot to fix this sh*t. He is saving us millions uncovering the fraud and don't forget he donates his entire slary back to the US unlike sleepy FJB who stole stole stole from US and robbed the US blind!

Any MAGA that are deep in the cult will never admit that they were wrong. Those who have admitted to regretting their votes seem to be those who voted partyline because they always vote for a R or young people who voted for Trump because of Palestine.



Why would Republicans admit their vote was wrong? They won! So obviously their vote accomplished what they wanted it to. We're the ones who won't admit to being wrong. Which of our policies have we changed in response to the voters rejection of our platform? None.

We keep telling ourselves that the stock market or federal layoffs or Ukraine funding are the ultimate outcomes of politics, but those are all second derivatives. What matters first is winning and losing elections and being in or out of power. We just got booted out of power. Obviously we are the ones who should admit we were wrong. Something about our policies, personalities, and performance caused us to be rejected by the voters. We should figure out what it was and correct it.


I'm a local professor. I've talked to hundreds of young voters to try to find out what happened, and these are the 2 things I heard from them:
1. Palestine. They wanted a hard stance against Israel and pro-Palestine. They were very put off by Harris' statement “Israel has a right to go after the terrorists that are Hamas,” and believe that Israel did not do that. They think Israel went in like a bull in a china shop and caused as much destruction as possible and it wasn't a fair fight because Israel is so much more powerful than Palestine. They believe Israel used the attack as an excuse to eliminate as many Palestinians as possible not just Hamas.

2. The Harris campaign had a lack of direction. They don't think she had a firm stance on any policies. They do recognize that this was due to the restricted time she had to campaign, but they also believe that she was too meek to take any stances that were anti anything Biden believed or against any policies Biden had made.

People 18-44 overwhelming voted for Harris. However, people 18-25 overwhelming abstained from voting for a POTUS at all. I had 212 students during my Fall 2024 semester. Of those, 191 were registered to vote. Of those 191, only 54 voted for a Presidential candidate (52 Harris, 2 Trump).

I have 220 students for my Spring 2025 semester. 208 are registered voters; 68 voted for Harris; 4 voted for Trump; 1 voted 3rd party, and the other 135 did not cast a vote for a Presidential candidate.

Those are small sample sizes, but if that pattern continues across all campuses, as I believe it does, that is what sunk the Democrats this last go around.



Well, they are the ones who will have to live with the repercussions of electing Trump after the older people are gone. So I hope they are happy with what they did.


The failure lies with the party. Their job is to win votes. They failed to do so, and the youth vote was very clear what it would take. The party chose not to listen. The party got Trump elected. And the party will continue to lose until it decides it wants to win votes again.


No, the Dems didn’t fail. Elon bought the election and childish college students (and Michigan) took a misguided “stand on Israel.”

Now, Trump is posting videos of him and Netanyahu sunbathing on a rebuilt Gaza beach with Trump Towers in the background. I hope all those kids are happy with their protest vote. I’m sure the people of Gaza really appreciate their moral outrage.

I’m so over people not voting in their own interests that I don’t care if the Dems ever get back in. I’m going to be fine. Let these kids FAFO. I hope R’s take away all their student loans.


We live in the stupidest timeline and I feel for our children. MAGAs who are fake christians in all that they do will throw a match to this sinking ship. They care about no one except their fake god dumpy.


We would think more clearly if we stopped talking about "MAGA." We've kind of hypnotized ourselves into this false belief that democracy has been hijacked by a few bad apple racist rednecks.

What actually happened is that the entire electorate shifted right. In spite of all of Trump's faults, in spite of all the warnings from media and academia and establishment politicians, the voters decided that the Democrats were so unappealing that they'd rather have Trump.

The people who rejected us weren't MAGA--MAGA was never with us. The people who rejected us were non-MAGA Republicans, Independents, Swing Voters, and Disaffected Democrats. We keep lumping them in with "MAGA," and calling them all stupid.

We are literally deaf and blind to the message the voters sent to us. I haven't seen a single post from a Democrat wondering how an Obama voter or a Biden voter could have possibly voted for Trump this time. Guess what? Many did. If we can't explain that or even wonder about it, we're screwed going forward.


No. Thousands of independents (me) and moderate democrats simply abstained from voting for a president.

I will never vote for Trump.
Harris was a joke.

I voted in Loudoun for my local election and policies that were up for a vote and skipped the presidential pick.

I consider myself an independent because I like bits and pieces of each party. I want immigration reform. I want Medicaid and EBT reform. I am part of the LGBTQ and want gay marriage to stay legal. I am all for trans rights. I think inflation needed a correction. I do not support tariffs. Etc etc.



I don’t care what you think. You sit it out, you don’t get a say.


That's not how any of this works. If you want to win next time, you'd best start listening to the people who weren't convinced last time.


There won't be a next time because people like you decided to abstain from voting rather then ensuring someone who publicly proclaimed being a dictator on day one, wasn't elected.


+1

If you didn’t even bother to vote, then STFU.


How about you STFU and LISTEN to people telling you why you didn't get their support. You can't bully people into voting blue.


Actually, you did cast a vote by sitting at home being lazy and apathetic. You voted for Trump. And I don't care if you ever vote again or Dem. There is no point in listening to people who lack critical thinking skills and maturity. You and all your buddies get what you asked for.


And people who didn't vote also voted for Kamala. Funny how that works. Your party lost because they failed to motivate enough voters to vote for them. Denial is the first phase of grief, but it's really time to move on.
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Anonymous wrote:Never.

These are the things my MAGA relatives are saying on social media.

1. We knew prices wouldn't come down day 1. We knew it would take time. If you didn't know that then you're an idiot.

2. Through HIM all things are possible. Trust the process and keep the faith. It is always darkest before the dawn. We got this! (Not sure if the HIM is Trump or Jesus, but probably both, let's be honest)

(Typed out exactly as written by my uncle)
3. Yep prices are high as sh*t right now and yeah we prolly are going to go thru a recession but guess what? Not his fault at all and I and millions more get that. He cam in to the worst most f----- up economy since Regan It is going to take a lot to fix this sh*t. He is saving us millions uncovering the fraud and don't forget he donates his entire slary back to the US unlike sleepy FJB who stole stole stole from US and robbed the US blind!

Any MAGA that are deep in the cult will never admit that they were wrong. Those who have admitted to regretting their votes seem to be those who voted partyline because they always vote for a R or young people who voted for Trump because of Palestine.



Why would Republicans admit their vote was wrong? They won! So obviously their vote accomplished what they wanted it to. We're the ones who won't admit to being wrong. Which of our policies have we changed in response to the voters rejection of our platform? None.

We keep telling ourselves that the stock market or federal layoffs or Ukraine funding are the ultimate outcomes of politics, but those are all second derivatives. What matters first is winning and losing elections and being in or out of power. We just got booted out of power. Obviously we are the ones who should admit we were wrong. Something about our policies, personalities, and performance caused us to be rejected by the voters. We should figure out what it was and correct it.


I'm a local professor. I've talked to hundreds of young voters to try to find out what happened, and these are the 2 things I heard from them:
1. Palestine. They wanted a hard stance against Israel and pro-Palestine. They were very put off by Harris' statement “Israel has a right to go after the terrorists that are Hamas,” and believe that Israel did not do that. They think Israel went in like a bull in a china shop and caused as much destruction as possible and it wasn't a fair fight because Israel is so much more powerful than Palestine. They believe Israel used the attack as an excuse to eliminate as many Palestinians as possible not just Hamas.

2. The Harris campaign had a lack of direction. They don't think she had a firm stance on any policies. They do recognize that this was due to the restricted time she had to campaign, but they also believe that she was too meek to take any stances that were anti anything Biden believed or against any policies Biden had made.

People 18-44 overwhelming voted for Harris. However, people 18-25 overwhelming abstained from voting for a POTUS at all. I had 212 students during my Fall 2024 semester. Of those, 191 were registered to vote. Of those 191, only 54 voted for a Presidential candidate (52 Harris, 2 Trump).

I have 220 students for my Spring 2025 semester. 208 are registered voters; 68 voted for Harris; 4 voted for Trump; 1 voted 3rd party, and the other 135 did not cast a vote for a Presidential candidate.

Those are small sample sizes, but if that pattern continues across all campuses, as I believe it does, that is what sunk the Democrats this last go around.



Well, they are the ones who will have to live with the repercussions of electing Trump after the older people are gone. So I hope they are happy with what they did.


The failure lies with the party. Their job is to win votes. They failed to do so, and the youth vote was very clear what it would take. The party chose not to listen. The party got Trump elected. And the party will continue to lose until it decides it wants to win votes again.


“Be nice to us, or we will go to the people who make our lives materially worse”
Whatevs…


It's not about being "nice." It's about the fact that we vote for people to REPRESENT us. Meaning they are supposed to act in our name and do what WE WANT. If the voters are saying they want something from their elected representatives, and those representatives ignore them, it should surprise no one that those voters choose not to vote for those representatives. Why does the democratic party and so many on DCUM not understand that?

If you want the youth vote, you have to listen to their concerns. If you dismiss their concerns, they won't vote for you. End of story.


Hey dumbass. It’s been shown time and again that the democrats have the more popular platform.


Go to a flyover state and survey some swing voters. Ask them how they liked the Democratic Party platform on illegal immigration, on DEI quotas preventing white men from getting hired or promoted, on trans folks in girls' sports, on LGBTQIA+ sex ed in elementary schools, on deficit spending, on endless wars, etc.

Democrats quite obviously REFUSE to change policies, even when they are unpopular.


I live in a flyover state you pretentious twat.


Democrats are so insulting to voters these days. It's amazing. It reminds me of narcissistic rage. Democrats are so sure that they are the most intelligent and moral people in the country. Their self-regard is their religion. So when the voters reject that premise and say no, we don't consider you particularly intelligent or moral, it shocks and enrages them. And they just start lashing out. Everyone is a stupid racist cult member. Or a pretentious twat!


“ why don’t you listen to me. I’ll tell you what real Americans think. And don’t you dare call me a name and make me sad. I’m super smart and educated.” - typed from Bethesda.
You are a pretentious twat.


+1000000 The condescension and gloating are so creepy. It’s so obvious this poster is a MAGA troll pretending to be a Democrat.

Hundreds of posts on threads throughout this forum trying to pass off trivial Republican culture war obsessions as the official Democratic platform, and then lecturing all of us about how “we” live in a bubble. This person is not well.


There is one particular poster running around claiming to be a democrat but then posts these screeds about how everyone hates democrats; democrats are to blame for all past, present, and future ills; democrats will lose again because we are too obsessed with identity wars (usually inserting them into a discussion that has nothing to do with them nor has anyone talked about them). It's truly bizarre.


This is a very interesting point. Democrats and Republicans define each other's platforms differently and uncharitably.

There ARE official policy platform documents for each party, ratified around the time of their respective conventions. For each party, there are a few different ways to think of the platforms, ranging from:
most idealized (what the partisans believe about their own platform)
to semi-idealized (how the parties market themselves)
to semi-accurate (official stated policies)
to more accurate (policy track record and affects of those policies on outcomes)
to cynical (what opponents uncharitably say about the opposing platform)
to cynical/dishonest future predictions (what opponents fearmonger the opposition might decide to do in the future)

A good starting point for an honest comparison would be the policy platform documents. And the actual policies passed via law, executive order, and administrative rulemaking during each party's recent tenure.

And the results of those policies. Do any metrics improve--does income inequality every go down, do educational test scores ever go up, does homelessness ever go down, do houses ever get more affordable? Etc.

Here are the platforms themselves from this past election cycle.

https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/2024-democratic-party-platform
https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/2024-republican-party-platform


That's not always true. In 2020, the GOP had no party platform. Everyone voted for the whims of Trump, which is crazy. There was one in 2024, not like it mattered. It's still his whims. Just look at the head spinning tariffs.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The House and senate could have already passed the bill Trump tanked last year on immigration. Why haven't they?


It was a bad bill. It would grant amnesty to lots of illegals, allows thousands to cross the border daily, etc. It was just a cynical campaign trick by Dems, not an actual tough on the border bill.


That is untrue. It DID NOT grant amnesty and did not "allow" thousands to cross the border, what it did was give CBP authority to unilaterally shut down the border if they were seeing thousands attempting to cross, the number was based on their detention capabilities. Your lies about the Bipartisan Border Bill were a cynical trick by Republicans, who grossly lied and misrepresented it.

The Lankford Bipartisan Border bill has several strengths:

Enhanced Border Security: The bill provides funding to build more border barriers, increase technology at the border, and add more detention beds, agents, and deportation flights. It also increased resources for detecting fentanyl and other drugs at points of entry, whereas the House bill did not even have a single mention of fentanyl.

Improved Asylum Process: It aims to end the abuse of parole on the southwest border and dramatically changes asylum laws by conducting fast screenings with a higher standard of evidence, limited appeals, and fast deportation.

Emergency Authorities: The bill includes new emergency authorities to shut down the border when it is overrun, new hiring authorities to quickly increase officers, and new hearing authorities to quickly apply consequences for illegal crossings.

Detain and Deport Policy: It shifts the border policy from "catch and release" to "detain and deport," aiming to reduce the number of illegal crossings.

Whoever told you it would grant mass amnesty and so on is not a credible or reliable source of information and I would recommend no longer using it.
Anonymous
Did we need a bipartisan border bill?

I was told by democrats the only way to stop thousands a day coming across the border was to enact new legislation.

Now, President Trump has stopped that without new legislation.

?
Anonymous
At this point more than 51% of Americans disapprove of Trump’s handling of the economy, even more of his tariffs. Presumably there are some MAGA in that group. And most of his destruction is only starting to trickle out. So it’ll get worse for him.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Did we need a bipartisan border bill?

I was told by democrats the only way to stop thousands a day coming across the border was to enact new legislation.

Now, President Trump has stopped that without new legislation.

?


Yes. We do.
The reason the numbers are going down is because Trump is flushing our economy down the toilet. Fewer people come when the economy sucks. That’s why the numbers are down when Trump is in office. Personally I’d prefer the nice things having the best economy in the world brings. YMMV.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The pandemic proved a worthy opponent for Trump because it was unaffected by his insults. Perhaps the same is true of the economy?


Yes. It’s called the “invisible hand” of the market for a reason. And the invisible hand is slapping Trump bigly.

All because he couldn’t handle not being reelected in 2020.

+1 I stated repeatedly, this was going to be a big FU presidency. He doesn't actually care about the average Joe (pardon the pun).


No, actually, you elitist democrats don't care about the average Joe. As long as money pours into DC and you get your check, you couldn't care less.

oh yea, that's right elitist dems have been saying to raise taxes on them, support living wages, and protect unions.. because they only care about DC paycheck

-signed an Independent
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