When you say t50...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Same in the Southeast. There are probably more kids that dream of UGA, UT, Clemson, and Alabama from age 10- not Emory, Davidson, Rice.

You might be correct, but Alabama is the exception where they will accept anyone with a pulse even to this day. They also need to attract tons of kids from OOS, because they aren't pulling enough in-state kids. I guess its overall ranking (much worse than the other three) is an issue?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:More educated parents and students aren't blindly following US News rankings any more. Since their last release was so heavily mocked and with availability of information about a school's outcomes and strength of majors and strength of students academic achievements, US News is a much more minor role player now than in the past.

Parents look at the cost of the school, the name brand of the school, the SAT averages of the school, the acceptance rate of the school and the outcomes of the school a lot more than some outdated magazine.

All of which are contained in....the USNews rankings! 🙂

It's a likely "first stop" for parents with other research options later. It is what it is.

No, it's missing many important factors and Contain some insignificant factors such as how many Pell grant students.
However it's still a nice reference for an initial screening.

At the end every year, we get the actual result of the collective decisions by the students.
The result is reflected in the combination of admission rate, yield rate, cohort quality, retention rate, and graduation rate.

Just go to USNews.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:More educated parents and students aren't blindly following US News rankings any more. Since their last release was so heavily mocked and with availability of information about a school's outcomes and strength of majors and strength of students academic achievements, US News is a much more minor role player now than in the past.

Parents look at the cost of the school, the name brand of the school, the SAT averages of the school, the acceptance rate of the school and the outcomes of the school a lot more than some outdated magazine.

All of which are contained in....the USNews rankings! 🙂

It's a likely "first stop" for parents with other research options later. It is what it is.

No, it's missing many important factors and Contain some insignificant factors such as how many Pell grant students.
However it's still a nice reference for an initial screening.

At the end every year, we get the actual result of the collective decisions by the students.
The result is reflected in the combination of admission rate, yield rate, cohort quality, retention rate, and graduation rate.

All making up the significant majority of USNews rankings.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:More educated parents and students aren't blindly following US News rankings any more. Since their last release was so heavily mocked and with availability of information about a school's outcomes and strength of majors and strength of students academic achievements, US News is a much more minor role player now than in the past.

Parents look at the cost of the school, the name brand of the school, the SAT averages of the school, the acceptance rate of the school and the outcomes of the school a lot more than some outdated magazine.

All of which are contained in....the USNews rankings! 🙂

It's a likely "first stop" for parents with other research options later. It is what it is.

No, it's missing many important factors and Contain some insignificant factors such as how many Pell grant students.
However it's still a nice reference for an initial screening.

At the end every year, we get the actual result of the collective decisions by the students.
The result is reflected in the combination of admission rate, yield rate, cohort quality, retention rate, and graduation rate.

That's why although USNWR removed factors like acceptance rate, parents and students pay good attention to it, and consider the competitive schools good schools in general.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:More educated parents and students aren't blindly following US News rankings any more. Since their last release was so heavily mocked and with availability of information about a school's outcomes and strength of majors and strength of students academic achievements, US News is a much more minor role player now than in the past.

Parents look at the cost of the school, the name brand of the school, the SAT averages of the school, the acceptance rate of the school and the outcomes of the school a lot more than some outdated magazine.

All of which are contained in....the USNews rankings! 🙂

It's a likely "first stop" for parents with other research options later. It is what it is.

No, it's missing many important factors and Contain some insignificant factors such as how many Pell grant students.
However it's still a nice reference for an initial screening.

At the end every year, we get the actual result of the collective decisions by the students.
The result is reflected in the combination of admission rate, yield rate, cohort quality, retention rate, and graduation rate.

That's why although USNWR removed factors like acceptance rate, parents and students pay good attention to it, and consider the competitive schools good schools in general.

All of the top 30 have either low or extremely low acceptance rates.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:More educated parents and students aren't blindly following US News rankings any more. Since their last release was so heavily mocked and with availability of information about a school's outcomes and strength of majors and strength of students academic achievements, US News is a much more minor role player now than in the past.

Parents look at the cost of the school, the name brand of the school, the SAT averages of the school, the acceptance rate of the school and the outcomes of the school a lot more than some outdated magazine.

All of which are contained in....the USNews rankings! 🙂

It's a likely "first stop" for parents with other research options later. It is what it is.

No, it's missing many important factors and Contain some insignificant factors such as how many Pell grant students.
However it's still a nice reference for an initial screening.

At the end every year, we get the actual result of the collective decisions by the students.
The result is reflected in the combination of admission rate, yield rate, cohort quality, retention rate, and graduation rate.

All making up the significant majority of USNews rankings.

+1. If the inability of the person or people to understand this despite being told multiple times is a reflection of a T30 private school education, then USNWR might still be understating the top publics.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:More educated parents and students aren't blindly following US News rankings any more. Since their last release was so heavily mocked and with availability of information about a school's outcomes and strength of majors and strength of students academic achievements, US News is a much more minor role player now than in the past.

Parents look at the cost of the school, the name brand of the school, the SAT averages of the school, the acceptance rate of the school and the outcomes of the school a lot more than some outdated magazine.

All of which are contained in....the USNews rankings! 🙂

It's a likely "first stop" for parents with other research options later. It is what it is.

No, it's missing many important factors and Contain some insignificant factors such as how many Pell grant students.
However it's still a nice reference for an initial screening.

At the end every year, we get the actual result of the collective decisions by the students.
The result is reflected in the combination of admission rate, yield rate, cohort quality, retention rate, and graduation rate.

That's why although USNWR removed factors like acceptance rate, parents and students pay good attention to it, and consider the competitive schools good schools in general.

All of the top 30 have either low or extremely low acceptance rates.

No, schools like UF, UVA, UCSD, UT have significantly higher acceptance rate than schools like Tufts, BU, Wake Forest, Northeastern, BC as students chose that way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:More educated parents and students aren't blindly following US News rankings any more. Since their last release was so heavily mocked and with availability of information about a school's outcomes and strength of majors and strength of students academic achievements, US News is a much more minor role player now than in the past.

Parents look at the cost of the school, the name brand of the school, the SAT averages of the school, the acceptance rate of the school and the outcomes of the school a lot more than some outdated magazine.

Actual most educated parents and students look at things like programs offered, requirements for potential majors and course offerings, extracurricular opportunities, and location. Only uneducated but deeply prestige-obsessed parents fixate on things like name brand of the school or acceptance rates.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:More educated parents and students aren't blindly following US News rankings any more. Since their last release was so heavily mocked and with availability of information about a school's outcomes and strength of majors and strength of students academic achievements, US News is a much more minor role player now than in the past.

Parents look at the cost of the school, the name brand of the school, the SAT averages of the school, the acceptance rate of the school and the outcomes of the school a lot more than some outdated magazine.

All of which are contained in....the USNews rankings! 🙂

It's a likely "first stop" for parents with other research options later. It is what it is.

No, it's missing many important factors and Contain some insignificant factors such as how many Pell grant students.
However it's still a nice reference for an initial screening.

At the end every year, we get the actual result of the collective decisions by the students.
The result is reflected in the combination of admission rate, yield rate, cohort quality, retention rate, and graduation rate.

All making up the significant majority of USNews rankings.

Admission rate and yield rate aren't in the USNews criteria. Cohort quality is not a direct factor as well. Class size, student to faculty ratio, and alumni giving rate were dropped.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:More educated parents and students aren't blindly following US News rankings any more. Since their last release was so heavily mocked and with availability of information about a school's outcomes and strength of majors and strength of students academic achievements, US News is a much more minor role player now than in the past.

Parents look at the cost of the school, the name brand of the school, the SAT averages of the school, the acceptance rate of the school and the outcomes of the school a lot more than some outdated magazine.

Actual most educated parents and students look at things like programs offered, requirements for potential majors and course offerings, extracurricular opportunities, and location. Only uneducated but deeply prestige-obsessed parents fixate on things like name brand of the school or acceptance rates.

Competitive schools are competitive because students are satisfied with programs offered, requirements for potential majors and course offerings, extracurricular opportunities, and location, etc. at higher rates overall.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:More educated parents and students aren't blindly following US News rankings any more. Since their last release was so heavily mocked and with availability of information about a school's outcomes and strength of majors and strength of students academic achievements, US News is a much more minor role player now than in the past.

Parents look at the cost of the school, the name brand of the school, the SAT averages of the school, the acceptance rate of the school and the outcomes of the school a lot more than some outdated magazine.

Actual most educated parents and students look at things like programs offered, requirements for potential majors and course offerings, extracurricular opportunities, and location. Only uneducated but deeply prestige-obsessed parents fixate on things like name brand of the school or acceptance rates.

Competitive schools are competitive because students are satisfied with programs offered, requirements for potential majors and course offerings, extracurricular opportunities, and location, etc. at higher rates overall.

So are yield rate, retention rate, gradation rate, etc.
So next year for the next cycle, students look at those for reference.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:More educated parents and students aren't blindly following US News rankings any more. Since their last release was so heavily mocked and with availability of information about a school's outcomes and strength of majors and strength of students academic achievements, US News is a much more minor role player now than in the past.

Parents look at the cost of the school, the name brand of the school, the SAT averages of the school, the acceptance rate of the school and the outcomes of the school a lot more than some outdated magazine.

Actual most educated parents and students look at things like programs offered, requirements for potential majors and course offerings, extracurricular opportunities, and location. Only uneducated but deeply prestige-obsessed parents fixate on things like name brand of the school or acceptance rates.

Competitive schools are competitive because students are satisfied with programs offered, requirements for potential majors and course offerings, extracurricular opportunities, and location, etc. at higher rates overall.

So are yield rate, retention rate, gradation rate, etc.
So next year for the next cycle, students look at those for reference.

Correct, they will look at USNews which is what everyone does every year.

I guess once Wake Forest and others climb back to their previous spots under the new criteria, everyone will all of a sudden be good with the rankings.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:More educated parents and students aren't blindly following US News rankings any more. Since their last release was so heavily mocked and with availability of information about a school's outcomes and strength of majors and strength of students academic achievements, US News is a much more minor role player now than in the past.

Parents look at the cost of the school, the name brand of the school, the SAT averages of the school, the acceptance rate of the school and the outcomes of the school a lot more than some outdated magazine.

Actual most educated parents and students look at things like programs offered, requirements for potential majors and course offerings, extracurricular opportunities, and location. Only uneducated but deeply prestige-obsessed parents fixate on things like name brand of the school or acceptance rates.

Competitive schools are competitive because students are satisfied with programs offered, requirements for potential majors and course offerings, extracurricular opportunities, and location, etc. at higher rates overall.

So are yield rate, retention rate, gradation rate, etc.
So next year for the next cycle, students look at those for reference.

Correct, they will look at USNews which is what everyone does every year.

I guess once Wake Forest and others climb back to their previous spots under the new criteria, everyone will all of a sudden be good with the rankings.

Currently there are big discrepancies between what USNWR suggests and what actually happens in the real world (how students decided and acted)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:More educated parents and students aren't blindly following US News rankings any more. Since their last release was so heavily mocked and with availability of information about a school's outcomes and strength of majors and strength of students academic achievements, US News is a much more minor role player now than in the past.

Parents look at the cost of the school, the name brand of the school, the SAT averages of the school, the acceptance rate of the school and the outcomes of the school a lot more than some outdated magazine.

Actual most educated parents and students look at things like programs offered, requirements for potential majors and course offerings, extracurricular opportunities, and location. Only uneducated but deeply prestige-obsessed parents fixate on things like name brand of the school or acceptance rates.

Competitive schools are competitive because students are satisfied with programs offered, requirements for potential majors and course offerings, extracurricular opportunities, and location, etc. at higher rates overall.

So are yield rate, retention rate, gradation rate, etc.
So next year for the next cycle, students look at those for reference.

My senior mentioned that he is looking forward to doing a yield rate analysis of his acceptances once the RD schools send acceptances.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:More educated parents and students aren't blindly following US News rankings any more. Since their last release was so heavily mocked and with availability of information about a school's outcomes and strength of majors and strength of students academic achievements, US News is a much more minor role player now than in the past.

Parents look at the cost of the school, the name brand of the school, the SAT averages of the school, the acceptance rate of the school and the outcomes of the school a lot more than some outdated magazine.

Actual most educated parents and students look at things like programs offered, requirements for potential majors and course offerings, extracurricular opportunities, and location. Only uneducated but deeply prestige-obsessed parents fixate on things like name brand of the school or acceptance rates.

Competitive schools are competitive because students are satisfied with programs offered, requirements for potential majors and course offerings, extracurricular opportunities, and location, etc. at higher rates overall.

So are yield rate, retention rate, gradation rate, etc.
So next year for the next cycle, students look at those for reference.

Correct, they will look at USNews which is what everyone does every year.

I guess once Wake Forest and others climb back to their previous spots under the new criteria, everyone will all of a sudden be good with the rankings.

Currently there are big discrepancies between what USNWR suggests and what actually happens in the real world (how students decided and acted)

And once the various schools mentioned before climb back to whatever ranking is deemed acceptable by idiots like you, you won't care much at all about how USNews comes up with the rankings.

They are all busy doing just that.