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Anonymous wrote:The impact will be seen in other schools in fcps too. American kids will get more attention in the classroom. Test scores will increase and gangs will decrease.

This. I'm a teacher who is a Democrat and who also wants immigration reform. Why? Because I see how much of our resources are devoted to the ELL kids for very little return. A vast majority of their parents do not care about how their kids are doing in school. The parents don't speak English or care to learn, despite our school having a free EL program for parents.

The parents never come for open house or conferences. They rarely return phone calls or emails. School is seen as convenient and free babysitting for them, IMO.

Same here. Seems like it's an unpopular opinion for a teacher to state this in DCUM, but it is the case and not the exception.

Perhaps you are not a very good teacher then. Our Latino parents come to conferences and care very much about their kids' progress. Have you bothered to learn any Spanish? Any Urdu? Any Polish? Ukrainian? Any other language? Most educated people DO speak more than one language and this would help you build relationships with the families in your school as well as just meet basic expectations around being culturally intelligent.

Our families attend our ESL for adults classes. Maybe your families sense your disdain and stay away. Maybe your classroom management needs to improve. I see this periodically. There's no shame in it, we all have things to work on.
I don't know many people who think school is free babysitting, either. And our students who speak other languages mostly outperform our white kids by the time they are in high school. So maybe your schools aren't so great because of the staff. Just saying.

Sorry, I'm actually a Hispanic female. Your response is so typical of a limousine liberal. LOL.

I don't believe you.

Me either.

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Anonymous wrote:If the deportations happen, and I suspect they won't at least not in the way Trump is claiming, we'll see American citizen kids being traumatically separated from their parents, and bringing that trauma into classrooms. We'll see teenagers who aren't being parented, because their parents are gone, and thus an increase in gang activity.

Plus our economy will tank without a segment of the labor force, so there will be less money for schools and classroom ratios will go through the roof.

They can just take their kids with them. Wouldnt that make more sense than abandonment?

Most of the kids are US citizens, so it makes more sense for them to stay here than to return to a country they've never before seen. Except instead of having parents who are sometimes overwhelmed by working three jobs at the chicken plant, now these kids will have no parents and be left with neighbors and relatives. Even if your only metric is how this impacts schools, it's still bad because those kids are still here but they are just unparented.

I'm not the poster you quoted.

Why would that make more sense? US citizen children move to countries "they've never before seen" all the time when their parents move for jobs. Their parents are with them.

Is this the choice you’d make for your own kids if it meant moving them to a country where their life/safety was threatened? I’ve seen the lengths DCUM parents will go to just to give their kids a leg up on college admission or a travel team. You really have no clue what life is like for others and zero compassion.

Yeah, think about those pictures of parents handing babies away to try to get them to safety when Saigon fell or Kabul. Or the kindertransport. People will turn their kids over to CPS before taking them back to some of these countries.

The idea of raiding churches instead of raiding busienesses is so perverse. So Tyson chicken can continue to employe all the undocumented workers it needs, but if they dare leave their house to go to church or school, ICE may catch them. They should mandate e verify and catch all these employers that are employing undocumented workers illegally. Then punish the employers, not the people being exploited.

Are you compassionate enough to send your kids to the heavily impacted schools?

The bigger problem is that the world has an endless supply of poor people that would like to be here. We can't take them all. Better for those places to be start changing. I know, that is hard, but it is the only long term solution.

My kids went/go to school with lots of ESL kids. They took/take AAP/honors classes and eventually will take IB classes. ESL learners are not in those classes but even outside of those classes, no my kids have not been impacted bc they are surrounded by kids who are academically inclined. They have had a few disruptive American kids in classes here and there throughout the years. I can’t tell if the parents yapping about the horrible illegals and their impact are a) parents whose kids are not actually in heavily impacted schools but think those schools are full of gang bangers OR b) parents with mediocre/average kids who rather blame immigrants than say, parenting for certain issues.

Well the first part of your post explains why you have no idea what you're talking about. The AAP kids go to school in a bubble that make it easy to not know what kids in non AAP classes have to deal with. Try not to comment on things that you have no experience with.

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My jaw actually dropped at the utter cluelessness of the PP. JFC.

Can you explain to the clueless parents how the ESL kids are ruining it for your gen ed kids? I would think the behavioral issues not ESL issues would be more problematic like the PP teacher said.

You can't be serious - especially since there are behavioral issues among AAP kids, too, whether you admit it or not.

Obviously, ESL kids don't understand English. They cluster together in class and talk amongst themselves, distracting the other students and annoying the teacher, who is trying to teach. The teacher then has to spend extra time trying to make sure the ESL students understand what to do, help them with reading and writing, etc. They only work with an ESL teacher for about an hour a day. Their regular teacher is responsible for everything else. And while s/he is trying to help them, [b]all the other students have to fend for themselves. [/b]I can't believe this actually has to be explained to you.

That's the problem right there. Kids who can't speak the language cannot learn, and sadly FCPS has no credible solution for this issue, to the detriment of all other English-speaking students. The county needs a better plan to either get these students speaking English through full-time immersion in dedicated classrooms, or give the English-fluent kids the option to transfer into a better school. Stop penalizing kids who want to learn.

The native English speakers just aren't as smart or hardworking as you think they are. Kids who want to learn aren't being penalized.

Found the troll who wants schools to remain inundated with non-English speaking kids.

I'm not a troll. But my kids are at one of the schools with 60%+ ESL kids and they are each living up to their potential. They have their challenges and successes but are not negatively impacted by having ESL kids. One scores 99th percentile on every standardized test so having some poor non native English speakers isn't bringing her down. But that goes against the narrative doesn't it.

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We all need to unify and come together under Trump. He is our President and will Make America Great Again.

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Anonymous wrote:The impact will be seen in other schools in fcps too. American kids will get more attention in the classroom. Test scores will increase and gangs will decrease.

This. I'm a teacher who is a Democrat and who also wants immigration reform. Why? Because I see how much of our resources are devoted to the ELL kids for very little return. A vast majority of their parents do not care about how their kids are doing in school. The parents don't speak English or care to learn, despite our school having a free EL program for parents.

The parents never come for open house or conferences. They rarely return phone calls or emails. School is seen as convenient and free babysitting for them, IMO.

Same here. Seems like it's an unpopular opinion for a teacher to state this in DCUM, but it is the case and not the exception.

Perhaps you are not a very good teacher then. Our Latino parents come to conferences and care very much about their kids' progress. Have you bothered to learn any Spanish? Any Urdu? Any Polish? Ukrainian? Any other language? Most educated people DO speak more than one language and this would help you build relationships with the families in your school as well as just meet basic expectations around being culturally intelligent.

Our families attend our ESL for adults classes. Maybe your families sense your disdain and stay away. Maybe your classroom management needs to improve. I see this periodically. There's no shame in it, we all have things to work on.
I don't know many people who think school is free babysitting, either. And our students who speak other languages mostly outperform our white kids by the time they are in high school. So maybe your schools aren't so great because of the staff. Just saying.

I believe that you are an out-of-touch white liberal by your use of the word Latino, don't be stupid; report and deportation are coming soon and will clean up the areas. If you want to experience lawlessness, move to another country and enroll your kids there.

I think it's great that churches and other community groups offer ESL classes for adults (who may be the parents of ESOL kids in schools), but you've got to be crazy to tell a FCPS teacher that he/she needs to learn Spanish, Urdu, or whatever to "build relationships" with the parents of students who may or may not be legally here. They have plenty to you, and it would be nice if it was mainly the education of our kids. Our school has hired a parent liaison for this purpose, yet another resource that is devoted to working with the non-English speaking adult parents. No wonder Fairfax County is constantly raising taxes to provide all these services.

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I actually laughed out loud reading that PP’s post. As if a teacher - who is criminally underpaid as it is - should be expected to pick up a foreign language or three in order to communicate with her students. What a joke.

You can't call yourself remotely intelligent if you only speak one language.

really? I speak only English and consider myself extremely intelligent.

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Anonymous wrote:The impact will be seen in other schools in fcps too. American kids will get more attention in the classroom. Test scores will increase and gangs will decrease.

This. I'm a teacher who is a Democrat and who also wants immigration reform. Why? Because I see how much of our resources are devoted to the ELL kids for very little return. A vast majority of their parents do not care about how their kids are doing in school. The parents don't speak English or care to learn, despite our school having a free EL program for parents.

The parents never come for open house or conferences. They rarely return phone calls or emails. School is seen as convenient and free babysitting for them, IMO.

Same here. Seems like it's an unpopular opinion for a teacher to state this in DCUM, but it is the case and not the exception.

Perhaps you are not a very good teacher then. Our Latino parents come to conferences and care very much about their kids' progress. Have you bothered to learn any Spanish? Any Urdu? Any Polish? Ukrainian? Any other language? Most educated people DO speak more than one language and this would help you build relationships with the families in your school as well as just meet basic expectations around being culturally intelligent.

Our families attend our ESL for adults classes. Maybe your families sense your disdain and stay away. Maybe your classroom management needs to improve. I see this periodically. There's no shame in it, we all have things to work on.
I don't know many people who think school is free babysitting, either. And our students who speak other languages mostly outperform our white kids by the time they are in high school. So maybe your schools aren't so great because of the staff. Just saying.

I believe that you are an out-of-touch white liberal by your use of the word Latino, don't be stupid; report and deportation are coming soon and will clean up the areas. If you want to experience lawlessness, move to another country and enroll your kids there.

I think it's great that churches and other community groups offer ESL classes for adults (who may be the parents of ESOL kids in schools), but you've got to be crazy to tell a FCPS teacher that he/she needs to learn Spanish, Urdu, or whatever to "build relationships" with the parents of students who may or may not be legally here. They have plenty to you, and it would be nice if it was mainly the education of our kids. Our school has hired a parent liaison for this purpose, yet another resource that is devoted to working with the non-English speaking adult parents. No wonder Fairfax County is constantly raising taxes to provide all these services.

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I actually laughed out loud reading that PP’s post. As if a teacher - who is criminally underpaid as it is - should be expected to pick up a foreign language or three in order to communicate with her students. What a joke.

You can't call yourself remotely intelligent if you only speak one language.

really? I speak only English and consider myself extremely intelligent.

Same. Well, I guess I speak pig Latin.

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Anonymous wrote:If the deportations happen, and I suspect they won't at least not in the way Trump is claiming, we'll see American citizen kids being traumatically separated from their parents, and bringing that trauma into classrooms. We'll see teenagers who aren't being parented, because their parents are gone, and thus an increase in gang activity.

Plus our economy will tank without a segment of the labor force, so there will be less money for schools and classroom ratios will go through the roof.

They can just take their kids with them. Wouldnt that make more sense than abandonment?

Most of the kids are US citizens, so it makes more sense for them to stay here than to return to a country they've never before seen. Except instead of having parents who are sometimes overwhelmed by working three jobs at the chicken plant, now these kids will have no parents and be left with neighbors and relatives. Even if your only metric is how this impacts schools, it's still bad because those kids are still here but they are just unparented.

I'm not the poster you quoted.

Why would that make more sense? US citizen children move to countries "they've never before seen" all the time when their parents move for jobs. Their parents are with them.

Is this the choice you’d make for your own kids if it meant moving them to a country where their life/safety was threatened? I’ve seen the lengths DCUM parents will go to just to give their kids a leg up on college admission or a travel team. You really have no clue what life is like for others and zero compassion.

Yeah, think about those pictures of parents handing babies away to try to get them to safety when Saigon fell or Kabul. Or the kindertransport. People will turn their kids over to CPS before taking them back to some of these countries.

The idea of raiding churches instead of raiding busienesses is so perverse. So Tyson chicken can continue to employe all the undocumented workers it needs, but if they dare leave their house to go to church or school, ICE may catch them. They should mandate e verify and catch all these employers that are employing undocumented workers illegally. Then punish the employers, not the people being exploited.

Are you compassionate enough to send your kids to the heavily impacted schools?

The bigger problem is that the world has an endless supply of poor people that would like to be here. We can't take them all. Better for those places to be start changing. I know, that is hard, but it is the only long term solution.

My kids went/go to school with lots of ESL kids. They took/take AAP/honors classes and eventually will take IB classes. ESL learners are not in those classes but even outside of those classes, no my kids have not been impacted bc they are surrounded by kids who are academically inclined. They have had a few disruptive American kids in classes here and there throughout the years. I can’t tell if the parents yapping about the horrible illegals and their impact are a) parents whose kids are not actually in heavily impacted schools but think those schools are full of gang bangers OR b) parents with mediocre/average kids who rather blame immigrants than say, parenting for certain issues.

Well the first part of your post explains why you have no idea what you're talking about. The AAP kids go to school in a bubble that make it easy to not know what kids in non AAP classes have to deal with. Try not to comment on things that you have no experience with.

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My jaw actually dropped at the utter cluelessness of the PP. JFC.

Can you explain to the clueless parents how the ESL kids are ruining it for your gen ed kids? I would think the behavioral issues not ESL issues would be more problematic like the PP teacher said.

You can't be serious - especially since there are behavioral issues among AAP kids, too, whether you admit it or not.

Obviously, ESL kids don't understand English. They cluster together in class and talk amongst themselves, distracting the other students and annoying the teacher, who is trying to teach. The teacher then has to spend extra time trying to make sure the ESL students understand what to do, help them with reading and writing, etc. They only work with an ESL teacher for about an hour a day. Their regular teacher is responsible for everything else. And while s/he is trying to help them, [b]all the other students have to fend for themselves. [/b]I can't believe this actually has to be explained to you.

That's the problem right there. Kids who can't speak the language cannot learn, and sadly FCPS has no credible solution for this issue, to the detriment of all other English-speaking students. The county needs a better plan to either get these students speaking English through full-time immersion in dedicated classrooms, or give the English-fluent kids the option to transfer into a better school. Stop penalizing kids who want to learn.

Ny kid went overseas for a year, full immersion.

They left sounding like a moderately proficient tourist and came back fluent.

The only way to do it is full immersion.

Kids pick up language very quickly.

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Anonymous wrote:If the deportations happen, and I suspect they won't at least not in the way Trump is claiming, we'll see American citizen kids being traumatically separated from their parents, and bringing that trauma into classrooms. We'll see teenagers who aren't being parented, because their parents are gone, and thus an increase in gang activity.

Plus our economy will tank without a segment of the labor force, so there will be less money for schools and classroom ratios will go through the roof.

They can just take their kids with them. Wouldnt that make more sense than abandonment?

Most of the kids are US citizens, so it makes more sense for them to stay here than to return to a country they've never before seen. Except instead of having parents who are sometimes overwhelmed by working three jobs at the chicken plant, now these kids will have no parents and be left with neighbors and relatives. Even if your only metric is how this impacts schools, it's still bad because those kids are still here but they are just unparented.

I'm not the poster you quoted.

Why would that make more sense? US citizen children move to countries "they've never before seen" all the time when their parents move for jobs. Their parents are with them.

Is this the choice you’d make for your own kids if it meant moving them to a country where their life/safety was threatened? I’ve seen the lengths DCUM parents will go to just to give their kids a leg up on college admission or a travel team. You really have no clue what life is like for others and zero compassion.

Yeah, think about those pictures of parents handing babies away to try to get them to safety when Saigon fell or Kabul. Or the kindertransport. People will turn their kids over to CPS before taking them back to some of these countries.

The idea of raiding churches instead of raiding busienesses is so perverse. So Tyson chicken can continue to employe all the undocumented workers it needs, but if they dare leave their house to go to church or school, ICE may catch them. They should mandate e verify and catch all these employers that are employing undocumented workers illegally. Then punish the employers, not the people being exploited.

Are you compassionate enough to send your kids to the heavily impacted schools?

The bigger problem is that the world has an endless supply of poor people that would like to be here. We can't take them all. Better for those places to be start changing. I know, that is hard, but it is the only long term solution.

My kids went/go to school with lots of ESL kids. They took/take AAP/honors classes and eventually will take IB classes. ESL learners are not in those classes but even outside of those classes, no my kids have not been impacted bc they are surrounded by kids who are academically inclined. They have had a few disruptive American kids in classes here and there throughout the years. I can’t tell if the parents yapping about the horrible illegals and their impact are a) parents whose kids are not actually in heavily impacted schools but think those schools are full of gang bangers OR b) parents with mediocre/average kids who rather blame immigrants than say, parenting for certain issues.

Well the first part of your post explains why you have no idea what you're talking about. The AAP kids go to school in a bubble that make it easy to not know what kids in non AAP classes have to deal with. Try not to comment on things that you have no experience with.

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My jaw actually dropped at the utter cluelessness of the PP. JFC.

Can you explain to the clueless parents how the ESL kids are ruining it for your gen ed kids? I would think the behavioral issues not ESL issues would be more problematic like the PP teacher said.

You can't be serious - especially since there are behavioral issues among AAP kids, too, whether you admit it or not.

Obviously, ESL kids don't understand English. They cluster together in class and talk amongst themselves, distracting the other students and annoying the teacher, who is trying to teach. The teacher then has to spend extra time trying to make sure the ESL students understand what to do, help them with reading and writing, etc. They only work with an ESL teacher for about an hour a day. Their regular teacher is responsible for everything else. And while s/he is trying to help them, [b]all the other students have to fend for themselves. [/b]I can't believe this actually has to be explained to you.

That's the problem right there. Kids who can't speak the language cannot learn, and sadly FCPS has no credible solution for this issue, to the detriment of all other English-speaking students. The county needs a better plan to either get these students speaking English through full-time immersion in dedicated classrooms, or give the English-fluent kids the option to transfer into a better school. Stop penalizing kids who want to learn.

Ny kid went overseas for a year, full immersion.

They left sounding like a moderately proficient tourist and came back fluent.

The only way to do it is full immersion.

Kids pick up language very quickly.

I am a former language immersion teacher. Usually students who excel in language immersion schools are those who have strong language skills in their native language. Many of our ESOL students here, come with weak writing and racing stills in their own languages.

California had a program years ago, where the Spanish speakers learned many of their subjects in Spanish, and took English as a stand alone subject, until they were ready to be mainstreamed. This way, they still learned the subject content and skills, and did not fall behind academically. I doubt that kind of a program would work here though.

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It would be interesting to see stats on how many new ESL students are illiterate in their home language. FCPS will not release but it's higher than the community realizes. Parents who can't sign their names, fill out forms in their native language, and students who have not attended school.

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Anonymous wrote:The impact will be seen in other schools in fcps too. American kids will get more attention in the classroom. Test scores will increase and gangs will decrease.

This. I'm a teacher who is a Democrat and who also wants immigration reform. Why? Because I see how much of our resources are devoted to the ELL kids for very little return. A vast majority of their parents do not care about how their kids are doing in school. The parents don't speak English or care to learn, despite our school having a free EL program for parents.

The parents never come for open house or conferences. They rarely return phone calls or emails. School is seen as convenient and free babysitting for them, IMO.

Same here. Seems like it's an unpopular opinion for a teacher to state this in DCUM, but it is the case and not the exception.

Perhaps you are not a very good teacher then. Our Latino parents come to conferences and care very much about their kids' progress. Have you bothered to learn any Spanish? Any Urdu? Any Polish? Ukrainian? Any other language? Most educated people DO speak more than one language and this would help you build relationships with the families in your school as well as just meet basic expectations around being culturally intelligent.

Our families attend our ESL for adults classes. Maybe your families sense your disdain and stay away. Maybe your classroom management needs to improve. I see this periodically. There's no shame in it, we all have things to work on.
I don't know many people who think school is free babysitting, either. And our students who speak other languages mostly outperform our white kids by the time they are in high school. So maybe your schools aren't so great because of the staff. Just saying.

I believe that you are an out-of-touch white liberal by your use of the word Latino, don't be stupid; report and deportation are coming soon and will clean up the areas. If you want to experience lawlessness, move to another country and enroll your kids there.

I think it's great that churches and other community groups offer ESL classes for adults (who may be the parents of ESOL kids in schools), but you've got to be crazy to tell a FCPS teacher that he/she needs to learn Spanish, Urdu, or whatever to "build relationships" with the parents of students who may or may not be legally here. They have plenty to you, and it would be nice if it was mainly the education of our kids. Our school has hired a parent liaison for this purpose, yet another resource that is devoted to working with the non-English speaking adult parents. No wonder Fairfax County is constantly raising taxes to provide all these services.

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I actually laughed out loud reading that PP’s post. As if a teacher - who is criminally underpaid as it is - should be expected to pick up a foreign language or three in order to communicate with her students. What a joke.

I just realized that my husband's cousin (elementary TESOL teacher) is doing exactly this. He already studied one European foreign language. It helps him communicate with one set of immigrants in his district. And he's mastering another lamguage now that helps him communicate with another set of immigrants.

It isn't an expectation. He want to help kids, he loves languages, and he wants to do a good job. And he does.

It's sad that you think the idea of teachers doing an excellent job is laughably improbable. Just because of being underpaid. Teachers usually don't go into the profession for pay.

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Anonymous wrote:What is the likely impact of Trump deportations on Falls Church and Justice high schools?

Biden deported them if we are comparing apples and apples Biden and Trump.

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Anonymous wrote:It would be interesting to see stats on how many new ESL students are illiterate in their home language. FCPS will not release but it's higher than the community realizes. Parents who can't sign their names, fill out forms in their native language, and students who have not attended school.

Yup. And these kids ARE immersed- with each other. When there is 2 or 3 English speakers in the class, there isn’t much English immersion happening. There is no motivation for these to learn English. And little opportunity. And they all live immersed together in apartments and many are related and their parents don’t encourage them to learn English. I had a student last year refuse to speak English and I think he was getting the message from his parents that he doesn’t need to learn English.

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Anonymous wrote:It would be interesting to see stats on how many new ESL students are illiterate in their home language. FCPS will not release but it's higher than the community realizes. Parents who can't sign their names, fill out forms in their native language, and students who have not attended school.

Yup. And these kids ARE immersed- with each other. When there is 2 or 3 English speakers in the class, there isn’t much English immersion happening. There is no motivation for these to learn English. And little opportunity. And they all live immersed together in apartments and many are related and their parents don’t encourage them to learn English. I had a student last year refuse to speak English and I think he was getting the message from his parents that he doesn’t need to learn English.

Wow, English needs to be declared as the language

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Anonymous wrote:If the deportations happen, and I suspect they won't at least not in the way Trump is claiming, we'll see American citizen kids being traumatically separated from their parents, and bringing that trauma into classrooms. We'll see teenagers who aren't being parented, because their parents are gone, and thus an increase in gang activity.

Plus our economy will tank without a segment of the labor force, so there will be less money for schools and classroom ratios will go through the roof.

They can just take their kids with them. Wouldnt that make more sense than abandonment?

Most of the kids are US citizens, so it makes more sense for them to stay here than to return to a country they've never before seen. Except instead of having parents who are sometimes overwhelmed by working three jobs at the chicken plant, now these kids will have no parents and be left with neighbors and relatives. Even if your only metric is how this impacts schools, it's still bad because those kids are still here but they are just unparented.

I'm not the poster you quoted.

Why would that make more sense? US citizen children move to countries "they've never before seen" all the time when their parents move for jobs. Their parents are with them.

Is this the choice you’d make for your own kids if it meant moving them to a country where their life/safety was threatened? I’ve seen the lengths DCUM parents will go to just to give their kids a leg up on college admission or a travel team. You really have no clue what life is like for others and zero compassion.

Yeah, think about those pictures of parents handing babies away to try to get them to safety when Saigon fell or Kabul. Or the kindertransport. People will turn their kids over to CPS before taking them back to some of these countries.

The idea of raiding churches instead of raiding busienesses is so perverse. So Tyson chicken can continue to employe all the undocumented workers it needs, but if they dare leave their house to go to church or school, ICE may catch them. They should mandate e verify and catch all these employers that are employing undocumented workers illegally. Then punish the employers, not the people being exploited.

Are you compassionate enough to send your kids to the heavily impacted schools?

The bigger problem is that the world has an endless supply of poor people that would like to be here. We can't take them all. Better for those places to be start changing. I know, that is hard, but it is the only long term solution.

My kids went/go to school with lots of ESL kids. They took/take AAP/honors classes and eventually will take IB classes. ESL learners are not in those classes but even outside of those classes, no my kids have not been impacted bc they are surrounded by kids who are academically inclined. They have had a few disruptive American kids in classes here and there throughout the years. I can’t tell if the parents yapping about the horrible illegals and their impact are a) parents whose kids are not actually in heavily impacted schools but think those schools are full of gang bangers OR b) parents with mediocre/average kids who rather blame immigrants than say, parenting for certain issues.

Well the first part of your post explains why you have no idea what you're talking about. The AAP kids go to school in a bubble that make it easy to not know what kids in non AAP classes have to deal with. Try not to comment on things that you have no experience with.

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My jaw actually dropped at the utter cluelessness of the PP. JFC.

Can you explain to the clueless parents how the ESL kids are ruining it for your gen ed kids? I would think the behavioral issues not ESL issues would be more problematic like the PP teacher said.

You can't be serious - especially since there are behavioral issues among AAP kids, too, whether you admit it or not.

Obviously, ESL kids don't understand English. They cluster together in class and talk amongst themselves, distracting the other students and annoying the teacher, who is trying to teach. The teacher then has to spend extra time trying to make sure the ESL students understand what to do, help them with reading and writing, etc. They only work with an ESL teacher for about an hour a day. Their regular teacher is responsible for everything else. And while s/he is trying to help them, [b]all the other students have to fend for themselves. [/b]I can't believe this actually has to be explained to you.

That's the problem right there. Kids who can't speak the language cannot learn, and sadly FCPS has no credible solution for this issue, to the detriment of all other English-speaking students. The county needs a better plan to either get these students speaking English through full-time immersion in dedicated classrooms, or give the English-fluent kids the option to transfer into a better school. Stop penalizing kids who want to learn.

The native English speakers just aren't as smart or hardworking as you think they are. Kids who want to learn aren't being penalized.

Found the troll who wants schools to remain inundated with non-English speaking kids.

I'm not a troll. But my kids are at one of the schools with 60%+ ESL kids and they are each living up to their potential. They have their challenges and successes but are not negatively impacted by having ESL kids. One scores 99th percentile on every standardized test so having some poor non native English speakers isn't bringing her down. But that goes against the narrative doesn't it.

A kid scoring in the 99th percentile is going to be fine no matter what because they are academically advanced and/or gifted. They are almost always put into AAP, which is a bubble. It’s the kids who are average/high average that don’t qualify for AAP who get no attention when resources are going to the ESL kids in the class. You are just further demonstrating how out of touch people like you are. Parents of 99th percentile kids need to stay out of this one. It’s easy to preach about how welcoming you are when resources going to others is not coming at the direct expense of your own kid(s). As much as you don’t want to believe it, this is a zero sum game when resources (money and personnel) are limited.

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Maybe we won’t even need to redustrict. Test scores will go up and teachers will have time to actually teach American children. Fcps used to be one of the best school districts in the country.

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Anonymous wrote:If the deportations happen, and I suspect they won't at least not in the way Trump is claiming, we'll see American citizen kids being traumatically separated from their parents, and bringing that trauma into classrooms. We'll see teenagers who aren't being parented, because their parents are gone, and thus an increase in gang activity.

Plus our economy will tank without a segment of the labor force, so there will be less money for schools and classroom ratios will go through the roof.

They can just take their kids with them. Wouldnt that make more sense than abandonment?

Most of the kids are US citizens, so it makes more sense for them to stay here than to return to a country they've never before seen. Except instead of having parents who are sometimes overwhelmed by working three jobs at the chicken plant, now these kids will have no parents and be left with neighbors and relatives. Even if your only metric is how this impacts schools, it's still bad because those kids are still here but they are just unparented.

I'm not the poster you quoted.

Why would that make more sense? US citizen children move to countries "they've never before seen" all the time when their parents move for jobs. Their parents are with them.

Is this the choice you’d make for your own kids if it meant moving them to a country where their life/safety was threatened? I’ve seen the lengths DCUM parents will go to just to give their kids a leg up on college admission or a travel team. You really have no clue what life is like for others and zero compassion.

Yeah, think about those pictures of parents handing babies away to try to get them to safety when Saigon fell or Kabul. Or the kindertransport. People will turn their kids over to CPS before taking them back to some of these countries.

The idea of raiding churches instead of raiding busienesses is so perverse. So Tyson chicken can continue to employe all the undocumented workers it needs, but if they dare leave their house to go to church or school, ICE may catch them. They should mandate e verify and catch all these employers that are employing undocumented workers illegally. Then punish the employers, not the people being exploited.

Are you compassionate enough to send your kids to the heavily impacted schools?

The bigger problem is that the world has an endless supply of poor people that would like to be here. We can't take them all. Better for those places to be start changing. I know, that is hard, but it is the only long term solution.

My kids went/go to school with lots of ESL kids. They took/take AAP/honors classes and eventually will take IB classes. ESL learners are not in those classes but even outside of those classes, no my kids have not been impacted bc they are surrounded by kids who are academically inclined. They have had a few disruptive American kids in classes here and there throughout the years. I can’t tell if the parents yapping about the horrible illegals and their impact are a) parents whose kids are not actually in heavily impacted schools but think those schools are full of gang bangers OR b) parents with mediocre/average kids who rather blame immigrants than say, parenting for certain issues.

Well the first part of your post explains why you have no idea what you're talking about. The AAP kids go to school in a bubble that make it easy to not know what kids in non AAP classes have to deal with. Try not to comment on things that you have no experience with.

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My jaw actually dropped at the utter cluelessness of the PP. JFC.

Can you explain to the clueless parents how the ESL kids are ruining it for your gen ed kids? I would think the behavioral issues not ESL issues would be more problematic like the PP teacher said.

You can't be serious - especially since there are behavioral issues among AAP kids, too, whether you admit it or not.

Obviously, ESL kids don't understand English. They cluster together in class and talk amongst themselves, distracting the other students and annoying the teacher, who is trying to teach. The teacher then has to spend extra time trying to make sure the ESL students understand what to do, help them with reading and writing, etc. They only work with an ESL teacher for about an hour a day. Their regular teacher is responsible for everything else. And while s/he is trying to help them, [b]all the other students have to fend for themselves. [/b]I can't believe this actually has to be explained to you.

That's the problem right there. Kids who can't speak the language cannot learn, and sadly FCPS has no credible solution for this issue, to the detriment of all other English-speaking students. The county needs a better plan to either get these students speaking English through full-time immersion in dedicated classrooms, or give the English-fluent kids the option to transfer into a better school. Stop penalizing kids who want to learn.

The native English speakers just aren't as smart or hardworking as you think they are. Kids who want to learn aren't being penalized.

Found the troll who wants schools to remain inundated with non-English speaking kids.

I'm not a troll. But my kids are at one of the schools with 60%+ ESL kids and they are each living up to their potential. They have their challenges and successes but are not negatively impacted by having ESL kids. One scores 99th percentile on every standardized test so having some poor non native English speakers isn't bringing her down. But that goes against the narrative doesn't it.

A kid scoring in the 99th percentile is going to be fine no matter what because they are academically advanced and/or gifted. They are almost always put into AAP, which is a bubble. It’s the kids who are average/high average that don’t qualify for AAP who get no attention when resources are going to the ESL kids in the class. You are just further demonstrating how out of touch people like you are. Parents of 99th percentile kids need to stay out of this one. It’s easy to preach about how welcoming you are when resources going to others is not coming at the direct expense of your own kid(s). As much as you don’t want to believe it, this is a zero sum game when resources (money and personnel) are limited.

My kid is in local level IV yes. But she is in Spanish immersion so half of her day is with at least 50% native Spanish speakers. That's how dual immersion works. Most of the kids she is in class with for half of the day are NOT AAP. She does just fine. We stayed local for her to experience being with those kids and not in a bubble as you say. But good try.