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Anonymous wrote:Low impact. Trump just said those things to pander to the white supremacist supporters. He’s only wants to build more money for himself and that’s how he’s going to preside. Get richer by any means necessary.

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Now they are saying they only are going to deport dangerous criminals. This is not what they said during the campaign

Do you have a source? Pretty sure they will start with the dangerous ones and work down.

Here is the thing people. Rich people-be Republicans or Democrats-love their money more than they hate brown people. Makes sense to deport the criminals. But you really think that they are going after immigrants who work farms, construction, meat industry, etc? That is going to hurt their pockets (well, everyone's pockets...not just the supposed libs hiring nannies). It would be utterly stupid of them. And why are we talking about mass deportation without talking about holding businesses accountable for not hiring undocumented workers? Everyone-and I mean everyone-benefits from undocumented labor. It's not just nannies and lawn care for rich people. The produce/meat you eat, restaurants, etc. Your Great Schools scores might go up, but prepare for life to be exponentially more expensive.

This. Mass Deportation would completely affect the economy in every sector.

It's not like mass deportation can be done overnight. The economy and communities can absorb these removals gradually and will be fine in time. A new normal will emerge.

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And the biggest target will be illegal immigrants with criminal records and/or prior deportation orders. It’s interesting that liberals seem to want to keep these people in the country.

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Anonymous wrote:As someone with Japanese immigrant ancestry, I am amazed by how few people seem to dismiss, or not even know about, the horror and disruption caused by the internment camps during the Second World War.

Comparing modern deportation efforts to WWII-era Japanese internment camps is completely off-base and ignores key facts. The internment of Japanese Americans was based on racial prejudice and fear, targeting over 120,000 people, many of them U.S. citizens or legal residents, just because of their ethnicity. It was a shameful chapter in American history, and the government has apologized for it. Deportation today is totally different. It focuses on people who are in the country illegally, regardless of their race or ethnicity, and U.S. citizens and lawful residents can’t legally be deported. There is a legal process in place, with hearings and appeals, to make sure rights are protected. Deportation isn’t about race or targeting innocent people, it’s about enforcing the laws that millions of immigrants follow to come here the right way. The real problem is sanctuary city policies that block ICE from doing their job and let people break the law with no consequences. It’s time to enforce immigration laws, stop making excuses, and start putting the rights of legal residents and citizens first.

This has to be satire.

DP. How so? The PP is correct. What seems to be satire is this insatiable desire for liberals to protect illegal immigration. Sadly though, it’s not satire.

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Anonymous wrote:The impact will be seen in other schools in fcps too. American kids will get more attention in the classroom. Test scores will increase and gangs will decrease.

This. I'm a teacher who is a Democrat and who also wants immigration reform. Why? Because I see how much of our resources are devoted to the ELL kids for very little return. A vast majority of their parents do not care about how their kids are doing in school. The parents don't speak English or care to learn, despite our school having a free EL program for parents.

The parents never come for open house or conferences. They rarely return phone calls or emails. School is seen as convenient and free babysitting for them, IMO.

Same here. Seems like it's an unpopular opinion for a teacher to state this in DCUM, but it is the case and not the exception.

Perhaps you are not a very good teacher then. Our Latino parents come to conferences and care very much about their kids' progress. Have you bothered to learn any Spanish? Any Urdu? Any Polish? Ukrainian? Any other language? Most educated people DO speak more than one language and this would help you build relationships with the families in your school as well as just meet basic expectations around being culturally intelligent.

Our families attend our ESL for adults classes. Maybe your families sense your disdain and stay away. Maybe your classroom management needs to improve. I see this periodically. There's no shame in it, we all have things to work on.
I don't know many people who think school is free babysitting, either. And our students who speak other languages mostly outperform our white kids by the time they are in high school. So maybe your schools aren't so great because of the staff. Just saying.

I believe that you are an out-of-touch white liberal by your use of the word Latino, don't be stupid; report and deportation are coming soon and will clean up the areas. If you want to experience lawlessness, move to another country and enroll your kids there.

I think it's great that churches and other community groups offer ESL classes for adults (who may be the parents of ESOL kids in schools), but you've got to be crazy to tell a FCPS teacher that he/she needs to learn Spanish, Urdu, or whatever to "build relationships" with the parents of students who may or may not be legally here. They have plenty to you, and it would be nice if it was mainly the education of our kids. Our school has hired a parent liaison for this purpose, yet another resource that is devoted to working with the non-English speaking adult parents. No wonder Fairfax County is constantly raising taxes to provide all these services.

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I actually laughed out loud reading that PP’s post. As if a teacher - who is criminally underpaid as it is - should be expected to pick up a foreign language or three in order to communicate with her students. What a joke.

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Anonymous wrote:As someone with Japanese immigrant ancestry, I am amazed by how few people seem to dismiss, or not even know about, the horror and disruption caused by the internment camps during the Second World War.

Comparing modern deportation efforts to WWII-era Japanese internment camps is completely off-base and ignores key facts. The internment of Japanese Americans was based on racial prejudice and fear, targeting over 120,000 people, many of them U.S. citizens or legal residents, just because of their ethnicity. It was a shameful chapter in American history, and the government has apologized for it. Deportation today is totally different. It focuses on people who are in the country illegally, regardless of their race or ethnicity, and U.S. citizens and lawful residents can’t legally be deported. There is a legal process in place, with hearings and appeals, to make sure rights are protected. Deportation isn’t about race or targeting innocent people, it’s about enforcing the laws that millions of immigrants follow to come here the right way. The real problem is sanctuary city policies that block ICE from doing their job and let people break the law with no consequences. It’s time to enforce immigration laws, stop making excuses, and start putting the rights of legal residents and citizens first.

This has to be satire.

DP. How so? The PP is correct. What seems to be satire is this insatiable desire for liberals to protect illegal immigration. Sadly though, it’s not satire.

It must be wonderful to be that naive.

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Anonymous wrote:I teach in a Title 1 school with many Hispanic students. If their parents are deported, many will return. There are zero opportunities for them in their own countries and/or they are scared for their lives.

I think Trump will deport the criminals who are here illegally but that will be it. Our economy would suffer big time without immigrants to do the jobs Americans won’t touch.

If they return to the same place, doesn't it make it easier to find them and deport them again?

How do they even find them in the first place? They live under the table.

Workplace raids, often. In the coming administration, Project 2025 has laid out a plan to rescind any prohibitions on raiding "sensitive areas" so we could see raids at hospitals, churches, schools, etc.

Government sanctioned terrorism on our own land.

Riiiight… finding and arresting illegal immigrants who have deportation orders and/or a criminal history is absolutely terrorism! You nailed it!
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Anonymous wrote:They seem to seriously be talking about using military for deportations, a hot mess. Better be white looking because I doubt they will be that careful.

Keep up that fear-mongering. It worked so well for you.

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Anonymous wrote:I just listened to a podcast on this. It is expensive and time consuming to deport families with children. To get the big news impact, they will start with single men. The focus will be on the countries who accept the most flights per day/week and the countries willing to accept people from 3rd countries. It will likely be easiest to start with workplace raids - think meat processing plants and construction sites.

Families at local schools or your self-employed handyman or landscaper are likely safe for a a while. Families may self-deport out of fear or the influx of new students may slow down.

I can't find the article, but the one I read said they wouldn't "focus" on keeping parents together with kids. I mean, wtf? Are they seriously just going to send men to unit A, women to unit B, and kids to unit C and hope they all end up in the same final destination over the border?

Also, the article I read said the focus would be on mass vehicle deportation, not flights as they want the cheapest method possible.

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Anonymous wrote:The impact will be seen in other schools in fcps too. American kids will get more attention in the classroom. Test scores will increase and gangs will decrease.

This. I'm a teacher who is a Democrat and who also wants immigration reform. Why? Because I see how much of our resources are devoted to the ELL kids for very little return. A vast majority of their parents do not care about how their kids are doing in school. The parents don't speak English or care to learn, despite our school having a free EL program for parents.

The parents never come for open house or conferences. They rarely return phone calls or emails. School is seen as convenient and free babysitting for them, IMO.

Same here. Seems like it's an unpopular opinion for a teacher to state this in DCUM, but it is the case and not the exception.

Perhaps you are not a very good teacher then. Our Latino parents come to conferences and care very much about their kids' progress. Have you bothered to learn any Spanish? Any Urdu? Any Polish? Ukrainian? Any other language? Most educated people DO speak more than one language and this would help you build relationships with the families in your school as well as just meet basic expectations around being culturally intelligent.

Our families attend our ESL for adults classes. Maybe your families sense your disdain and stay away. Maybe your classroom management needs to improve. I see this periodically. There's no shame in it, we all have things to work on.
I don't know many people who think school is free babysitting, either. And our students who speak other languages mostly outperform our white kids by the time they are in high school. So maybe your schools aren't so great because of the staff. Just saying.

I believe that you are an out-of-touch white liberal by your use of the word Latino, don't be stupid; report and deportation are coming soon and will clean up the areas. If you want to experience lawlessness, move to another country and enroll your kids there.

I think it's great that churches and other community groups offer ESL classes for adults (who may be the parents of ESOL kids in schools), but you've got to be crazy to tell a FCPS teacher that he/she needs to learn Spanish, Urdu, or whatever to "build relationships" with the parents of students who may or may not be legally here. They have plenty to you, and it would be nice if it was mainly the education of our kids. Our school has hired a parent liaison for this purpose, yet another resource that is devoted to working with the non-English speaking adult parents. No wonder Fairfax County is constantly raising taxes to provide all these services.

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I actually laughed out loud reading that PP’s post. As if a teacher - who is criminally underpaid as it is - should be expected to pick up a foreign language or three in order to communicate with her students. What a joke.

You can't call yourself remotely intelligent if you only speak one language.

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Anonymous wrote:The impact will be seen in other schools in fcps too. American kids will get more attention in the classroom. Test scores will increase and gangs will decrease.

This. I'm a teacher who is a Democrat and who also wants immigration reform. Why? Because I see how much of our resources are devoted to the ELL kids for very little return. A vast majority of their parents do not care about how their kids are doing in school. The parents don't speak English or care to learn, despite our school having a free EL program for parents.

The parents never come for open house or conferences. They rarely return phone calls or emails. School is seen as convenient and free babysitting for them, IMO.

Same here. Seems like it's an unpopular opinion for a teacher to state this in DCUM, but it is the case and not the exception.

Perhaps you are not a very good teacher then. Our Latino parents come to conferences and care very much about their kids' progress. Have you bothered to learn any Spanish? Any Urdu? Any Polish? Ukrainian? Any other language? Most educated people DO speak more than one language and this would help you build relationships with the families in your school as well as just meet basic expectations around being culturally intelligent.

Our families attend our ESL for adults classes. Maybe your families sense your disdain and stay away. Maybe your classroom management needs to improve. I see this periodically. There's no shame in it, we all have things to work on.
I don't know many people who think school is free babysitting, either. And our students who speak other languages mostly outperform our white kids by the time they are in high school. So maybe your schools aren't so great because of the staff. Just saying.

I believe that you are an out-of-touch white liberal by your use of the word Latino, don't be stupid; report and deportation are coming soon and will clean up the areas. If you want to experience lawlessness, move to another country and enroll your kids there.

I think it's great that churches and other community groups offer ESL classes for adults (who may be the parents of ESOL kids in schools), but you've got to be crazy to tell a FCPS teacher that he/she needs to learn Spanish, Urdu, or whatever to "build relationships" with the parents of students who may or may not be legally here. They have plenty to you, and it would be nice if it was mainly the education of our kids. Our school has hired a parent liaison for this purpose, yet another resource that is devoted to working with the non-English speaking adult parents. No wonder Fairfax County is constantly raising taxes to provide all these services.

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I actually laughed out loud reading that PP’s post. As if a teacher - who is criminally underpaid as it is - should be expected to pick up a foreign language or three in order to communicate with her students. What a joke.

Yup.

Like it was mentioned above, some title 1 schools might hover at the minimum mark for title 1 so the school community might not be aware of the impact it is on teachers and other students. But in a school that’s 60% Hispanic and free and reduced lunch, it’s a very big impact.

I have families who are here legally, work hard and do everything they can to learn the American way and support the teachers in school. All the way down to them being dropped off and I’m a babysitter. They don’t care about any of it and we never have a parent conference because multiples phone call aren’t returned or even connected.

And the behaviors are ridiculous and it impacts everyone.

Add in the expectations this year. Teaching the heavy and rigorous benchmark to kids who don’t even know their letters and sounds in 3rd or 4th grade or kindergarten students who don’t even know what their name looks like.

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Anonymous wrote:If the deportations happen, and I suspect they won't at least not in the way Trump is claiming, we'll see American citizen kids being traumatically separated from their parents, and bringing that trauma into classrooms. We'll see teenagers who aren't being parented, because their parents are gone, and thus an increase in gang activity.

Plus our economy will tank without a segment of the labor force, so there will be less money for schools and classroom ratios will go through the roof.

They can just take their kids with them. Wouldnt that make more sense than abandonment?

Most of the kids are US citizens, so it makes more sense for them to stay here than to return to a country they've never before seen. Except instead of having parents who are sometimes overwhelmed by working three jobs at the chicken plant, now these kids will have no parents and be left with neighbors and relatives. Even if your only metric is how this impacts schools, it's still bad because those kids are still here but they are just unparented.

I'm not the poster you quoted.

Why would that make more sense? US citizen children move to countries "they've never before seen" all the time when their parents move for jobs. Their parents are with them.

Is this the choice you’d make for your own kids if it meant moving them to a country where their life/safety was threatened? I’ve seen the lengths DCUM parents will go to just to give their kids a leg up on college admission or a travel team. You really have no clue what life is like for others and zero compassion.

Yeah, think about those pictures of parents handing babies away to try to get them to safety when Saigon fell or Kabul. Or the kindertransport. People will turn their kids over to CPS before taking them back to some of these countries.

The idea of raiding churches instead of raiding busienesses is so perverse. So Tyson chicken can continue to employe all the undocumented workers it needs, but if they dare leave their house to go to church or school, ICE may catch them. They should mandate e verify and catch all these employers that are employing undocumented workers illegally. Then punish the employers, not the people being exploited.

Are you compassionate enough to send your kids to the heavily impacted schools?

The bigger problem is that the world has an endless supply of poor people that would like to be here. We can't take them all. Better for those places to be start changing. I know, that is hard, but it is the only long term solution.

My kids went/go to school with lots of ESL kids. They took/take AAP/honors classes and eventually will take IB classes. ESL learners are not in those classes but even outside of those classes, no my kids have not been impacted bc they are surrounded by kids who are academically inclined. They have had a few disruptive American kids in classes here and there throughout the years. I can’t tell if the parents yapping about the horrible illegals and their impact are a) parents whose kids are not actually in heavily impacted schools but think those schools are full of gang bangers OR b) parents with mediocre/average kids who rather blame immigrants than say, parenting for certain issues.

Most likely people who have first-hand knowledge or who live in those zip codes and wonder why their neighborhood full of beautiful homes isn't appreciating.

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Anonymous wrote:If the deportations happen, and I suspect they won't at least not in the way Trump is claiming, we'll see American citizen kids being traumatically separated from their parents, and bringing that trauma into classrooms. We'll see teenagers who aren't being parented, because their parents are gone, and thus an increase in gang activity.

Plus our economy will tank without a segment of the labor force, so there will be less money for schools and classroom ratios will go through the roof.

They can just take their kids with them. Wouldnt that make more sense than abandonment?

Most of the kids are US citizens, so it makes more sense for them to stay here than to return to a country they've never before seen. Except instead of having parents who are sometimes overwhelmed by working three jobs at the chicken plant, now these kids will have no parents and be left with neighbors and relatives. Even if your only metric is how this impacts schools, it's still bad because those kids are still here but they are just unparented.

I'm not the poster you quoted.

Why would that make more sense? US citizen children move to countries "they've never before seen" all the time when their parents move for jobs. Their parents are with them.

Is this the choice you’d make for your own kids if it meant moving them to a country where their life/safety was threatened? I’ve seen the lengths DCUM parents will go to just to give their kids a leg up on college admission or a travel team. You really have no clue what life is like for others and zero compassion.

Yeah, think about those pictures of parents handing babies away to try to get them to safety when Saigon fell or Kabul. Or the kindertransport. People will turn their kids over to CPS before taking them back to some of these countries.

The idea of raiding churches instead of raiding busienesses is so perverse. So Tyson chicken can continue to employe all the undocumented workers it needs, but if they dare leave their house to go to church or school, ICE may catch them. They should mandate e verify and catch all these employers that are employing undocumented workers illegally. Then punish the employers, not the people being exploited.

Are you compassionate enough to send your kids to the heavily impacted schools?

The bigger problem is that the world has an endless supply of poor people that would like to be here. We can't take them all. Better for those places to be start changing. I know, that is hard, but it is the only long term solution.

My kids went/go to school with lots of ESL kids. They took/take AAP/honors classes and eventually will take IB classes. ESL learners are not in those classes but even outside of those classes, no my kids have not been impacted bc they are surrounded by kids who are academically inclined. They have had a few disruptive American kids in classes here and there throughout the years. I can’t tell if the parents yapping about the horrible illegals and their impact are a) parents whose kids are not actually in heavily impacted schools but think those schools are full of gang bangers OR b) parents with mediocre/average kids who rather blame immigrants than say, parenting for certain issues.

Well the first part of your post explains why you have no idea what you're talking about. The AAP kids go to school in a bubble that make it easy to not know what kids in non AAP classes have to deal with. Try not to comment on things that you have no experience with.

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My jaw actually dropped at the utter cluelessness of the PP. JFC.

Can you explain to the clueless parents how the ESL kids are ruining it for your gen ed kids? I would think the behavioral issues not ESL issues would be more problematic like the PP teacher said.

You can't be serious - especially since there are behavioral issues among AAP kids, too, whether you admit it or not.

Obviously, ESL kids don't understand English. They cluster together in class and talk amongst themselves, distracting the other students and annoying the teacher, who is trying to teach. The teacher then has to spend extra time trying to make sure the ESL students understand what to do, help them with reading and writing, etc. They only work with an ESL teacher for about an hour a day. Their regular teacher is responsible for everything else. And while s/he is trying to help them, [b]all the other students have to fend for themselves. [/b]I can't believe this actually has to be explained to you.

That's the problem right there. Kids who can't speak the language cannot learn, and sadly FCPS has no credible solution for this issue, to the detriment of all other English-speaking students. The county needs a better plan to either get these students speaking English through full-time immersion in dedicated classrooms, or give the English-fluent kids the option to transfer into a better school. Stop penalizing kids who want to learn.

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Anonymous wrote:If the deportations happen, and I suspect they won't at least not in the way Trump is claiming, we'll see American citizen kids being traumatically separated from their parents, and bringing that trauma into classrooms. We'll see teenagers who aren't being parented, because their parents are gone, and thus an increase in gang activity.

Plus our economy will tank without a segment of the labor force, so there will be less money for schools and classroom ratios will go through the roof.

They can just take their kids with them. Wouldnt that make more sense than abandonment?

Most of the kids are US citizens, so it makes more sense for them to stay here than to return to a country they've never before seen. Except instead of having parents who are sometimes overwhelmed by working three jobs at the chicken plant, now these kids will have no parents and be left with neighbors and relatives. Even if your only metric is how this impacts schools, it's still bad because those kids are still here but they are just unparented.

I'm not the poster you quoted.

Why would that make more sense? US citizen children move to countries "they've never before seen" all the time when their parents move for jobs. Their parents are with them.

Is this the choice you’d make for your own kids if it meant moving them to a country where their life/safety was threatened? I’ve seen the lengths DCUM parents will go to just to give their kids a leg up on college admission or a travel team. You really have no clue what life is like for others and zero compassion.

Yeah, think about those pictures of parents handing babies away to try to get them to safety when Saigon fell or Kabul. Or the kindertransport. People will turn their kids over to CPS before taking them back to some of these countries.

The idea of raiding churches instead of raiding busienesses is so perverse. So Tyson chicken can continue to employe all the undocumented workers it needs, but if they dare leave their house to go to church or school, ICE may catch them. They should mandate e verify and catch all these employers that are employing undocumented workers illegally. Then punish the employers, not the people being exploited.

Are you compassionate enough to send your kids to the heavily impacted schools?

The bigger problem is that the world has an endless supply of poor people that would like to be here. We can't take them all. Better for those places to be start changing. I know, that is hard, but it is the only long term solution.

My kids went/go to school with lots of ESL kids. They took/take AAP/honors classes and eventually will take IB classes. ESL learners are not in those classes but even outside of those classes, no my kids have not been impacted bc they are surrounded by kids who are academically inclined. They have had a few disruptive American kids in classes here and there throughout the years. I can’t tell if the parents yapping about the horrible illegals and their impact are a) parents whose kids are not actually in heavily impacted schools but think those schools are full of gang bangers OR b) parents with mediocre/average kids who rather blame immigrants than say, parenting for certain issues.

Well the first part of your post explains why you have no idea what you're talking about. The AAP kids go to school in a bubble that make it easy to not know what kids in non AAP classes have to deal with. Try not to comment on things that you have no experience with.

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My jaw actually dropped at the utter cluelessness of the PP. JFC.

Can you explain to the clueless parents how the ESL kids are ruining it for your gen ed kids? I would think the behavioral issues not ESL issues would be more problematic like the PP teacher said.

You can't be serious - especially since there are behavioral issues among AAP kids, too, whether you admit it or not.

Obviously, ESL kids don't understand English. They cluster together in class and talk amongst themselves, distracting the other students and annoying the teacher, who is trying to teach. The teacher then has to spend extra time trying to make sure the ESL students understand what to do, help them with reading and writing, etc. They only work with an ESL teacher for about an hour a day. Their regular teacher is responsible for everything else. And while s/he is trying to help them, [b]all the other students have to fend for themselves. [/b]I can't believe this actually has to be explained to you.

That's the problem right there. Kids who can't speak the language cannot learn, and sadly FCPS has no credible solution for this issue, to the detriment of all other English-speaking students. The county needs a better plan to either get these students speaking English through full-time immersion in dedicated classrooms, or give the English-fluent kids the option to transfer into a better school. Stop penalizing kids who want to learn.

The native English speakers just aren't as smart or hardworking as you think they are. Kids who want to learn aren't being penalized.

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Anonymous wrote:The impact will be seen in other schools in fcps too. American kids will get more attention in the classroom. Test scores will increase and gangs will decrease.

This. I'm a teacher who is a Democrat and who also wants immigration reform. Why? Because I see how much of our resources are devoted to the ELL kids for very little return. A vast majority of their parents do not care about how their kids are doing in school. The parents don't speak English or care to learn, despite our school having a free EL program for parents.

The parents never come for open house or conferences. They rarely return phone calls or emails. School is seen as convenient and free babysitting for them, IMO.

Same here. Seems like it's an unpopular opinion for a teacher to state this in DCUM, but it is the case and not the exception.

Perhaps you are not a very good teacher then. Our Latino parents come to conferences and care very much about their kids' progress. Have you bothered to learn any Spanish? Any Urdu? Any Polish? Ukrainian? Any other language? Most educated people DO speak more than one language and this would help you build relationships with the families in your school as well as just meet basic expectations around being culturally intelligent.

Our families attend our ESL for adults classes. Maybe your families sense your disdain and stay away. Maybe your classroom management needs to improve. I see this periodically. There's no shame in it, we all have things to work on.
I don't know many people who think school is free babysitting, either. And our students who speak other languages mostly outperform our white kids by the time they are in high school. So maybe your schools aren't so great because of the staff. Just saying.

I believe that you are an out-of-touch white liberal by your use of the word Latino, don't be stupid; report and deportation are coming soon and will clean up the areas. If you want to experience lawlessness, move to another country and enroll your kids there.

I think it's great that churches and other community groups offer ESL classes for adults (who may be the parents of ESOL kids in schools), but you've got to be crazy to tell a FCPS teacher that he/she needs to learn Spanish, Urdu, or whatever to "build relationships" with the parents of students who may or may not be legally here. They have plenty to you, and it would be nice if it was mainly the education of our kids. Our school has hired a parent liaison for this purpose, yet another resource that is devoted to working with the non-English speaking adult parents. No wonder Fairfax County is constantly raising taxes to provide all these services.

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I actually laughed out loud reading that PP’s post. As if a teacher - who is criminally underpaid as it is - should be expected to pick up a foreign language or three in order to communicate with her students. What a joke.

You can't call yourself remotely intelligent if you only speak one language.

I personally speak two languages. But I'm not a teacher and we're talking about underpaid, overworked teachers here. Leave them alone. There is no reason a teacher needs to speak anything other than English (unless they teach a foreign language). They are trying to juggle classrooms full of native English speakers and kids who don't speak a word of English. That's not their fault, so stop expecting them to somehow deal with the influx of ESL kids.

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Anonymous wrote:If the deportations happen, and I suspect they won't at least not in the way Trump is claiming, we'll see American citizen kids being traumatically separated from their parents, and bringing that trauma into classrooms. We'll see teenagers who aren't being parented, because their parents are gone, and thus an increase in gang activity.

Plus our economy will tank without a segment of the labor force, so there will be less money for schools and classroom ratios will go through the roof.

They can just take their kids with them. Wouldnt that make more sense than abandonment?

Most of the kids are US citizens, so it makes more sense for them to stay here than to return to a country they've never before seen. Except instead of having parents who are sometimes overwhelmed by working three jobs at the chicken plant, now these kids will have no parents and be left with neighbors and relatives. Even if your only metric is how this impacts schools, it's still bad because those kids are still here but they are just unparented.

I'm not the poster you quoted.

Why would that make more sense? US citizen children move to countries "they've never before seen" all the time when their parents move for jobs. Their parents are with them.

Is this the choice you’d make for your own kids if it meant moving them to a country where their life/safety was threatened? I’ve seen the lengths DCUM parents will go to just to give their kids a leg up on college admission or a travel team. You really have no clue what life is like for others and zero compassion.

Yeah, think about those pictures of parents handing babies away to try to get them to safety when Saigon fell or Kabul. Or the kindertransport. People will turn their kids over to CPS before taking them back to some of these countries.

The idea of raiding churches instead of raiding busienesses is so perverse. So Tyson chicken can continue to employe all the undocumented workers it needs, but if they dare leave their house to go to church or school, ICE may catch them. They should mandate e verify and catch all these employers that are employing undocumented workers illegally. Then punish the employers, not the people being exploited.

Are you compassionate enough to send your kids to the heavily impacted schools?

The bigger problem is that the world has an endless supply of poor people that would like to be here. We can't take them all. Better for those places to be start changing. I know, that is hard, but it is the only long term solution.

My kids went/go to school with lots of ESL kids. They took/take AAP/honors classes and eventually will take IB classes. ESL learners are not in those classes but even outside of those classes, no my kids have not been impacted bc they are surrounded by kids who are academically inclined. They have had a few disruptive American kids in classes here and there throughout the years. I can’t tell if the parents yapping about the horrible illegals and their impact are a) parents whose kids are not actually in heavily impacted schools but think those schools are full of gang bangers OR b) parents with mediocre/average kids who rather blame immigrants than say, parenting for certain issues.

Well the first part of your post explains why you have no idea what you're talking about. The AAP kids go to school in a bubble that make it easy to not know what kids in non AAP classes have to deal with. Try not to comment on things that you have no experience with.

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My jaw actually dropped at the utter cluelessness of the PP. JFC.

Can you explain to the clueless parents how the ESL kids are ruining it for your gen ed kids? I would think the behavioral issues not ESL issues would be more problematic like the PP teacher said.

You can't be serious - especially since there are behavioral issues among AAP kids, too, whether you admit it or not.

Obviously, ESL kids don't understand English. They cluster together in class and talk amongst themselves, distracting the other students and annoying the teacher, who is trying to teach. The teacher then has to spend extra time trying to make sure the ESL students understand what to do, help them with reading and writing, etc. They only work with an ESL teacher for about an hour a day. Their regular teacher is responsible for everything else. And while s/he is trying to help them, [b]all the other students have to fend for themselves. [/b]I can't believe this actually has to be explained to you.

That's the problem right there. Kids who can't speak the language cannot learn, and sadly FCPS has no credible solution for this issue, to the detriment of all other English-speaking students. The county needs a better plan to either get these students speaking English through full-time immersion in dedicated classrooms, or give the English-fluent kids the option to transfer into a better school. Stop penalizing kids who want to learn.

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Anonymous wrote:If the deportations happen, and I suspect they won't at least not in the way Trump is claiming, we'll see American citizen kids being traumatically separated from their parents, and bringing that trauma into classrooms. We'll see teenagers who aren't being parented, because their parents are gone, and thus an increase in gang activity.

Plus our economy will tank without a segment of the labor force, so there will be less money for schools and classroom ratios will go through the roof.

They can just take their kids with them. Wouldnt that make more sense than abandonment?

Most of the kids are US citizens, so it makes more sense for them to stay here than to return to a country they've never before seen. Except instead of having parents who are sometimes overwhelmed by working three jobs at the chicken plant, now these kids will have no parents and be left with neighbors and relatives. Even if your only metric is how this impacts schools, it's still bad because those kids are still here but they are just unparented.

I'm not the poster you quoted.

Why would that make more sense? US citizen children move to countries "they've never before seen" all the time when their parents move for jobs. Their parents are with them.

Is this the choice you’d make for your own kids if it meant moving them to a country where their life/safety was threatened? I’ve seen the lengths DCUM parents will go to just to give their kids a leg up on college admission or a travel team. You really have no clue what life is like for others and zero compassion.

Yeah, think about those pictures of parents handing babies away to try to get them to safety when Saigon fell or Kabul. Or the kindertransport. People will turn their kids over to CPS before taking them back to some of these countries.

The idea of raiding churches instead of raiding busienesses is so perverse. So Tyson chicken can continue to employe all the undocumented workers it needs, but if they dare leave their house to go to church or school, ICE may catch them. They should mandate e verify and catch all these employers that are employing undocumented workers illegally. Then punish the employers, not the people being exploited.

Are you compassionate enough to send your kids to the heavily impacted schools?

The bigger problem is that the world has an endless supply of poor people that would like to be here. We can't take them all. Better for those places to be start changing. I know, that is hard, but it is the only long term solution.

My kids went/go to school with lots of ESL kids. They took/take AAP/honors classes and eventually will take IB classes. ESL learners are not in those classes but even outside of those classes, no my kids have not been impacted bc they are surrounded by kids who are academically inclined. They have had a few disruptive American kids in classes here and there throughout the years. I can’t tell if the parents yapping about the horrible illegals and their impact are a) parents whose kids are not actually in heavily impacted schools but think those schools are full of gang bangers OR b) parents with mediocre/average kids who rather blame immigrants than say, parenting for certain issues.

Well the first part of your post explains why you have no idea what you're talking about. The AAP kids go to school in a bubble that make it easy to not know what kids in non AAP classes have to deal with. Try not to comment on things that you have no experience with.

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My jaw actually dropped at the utter cluelessness of the PP. JFC.

Can you explain to the clueless parents how the ESL kids are ruining it for your gen ed kids? I would think the behavioral issues not ESL issues would be more problematic like the PP teacher said.

You can't be serious - especially since there are behavioral issues among AAP kids, too, whether you admit it or not.

Obviously, ESL kids don't understand English. They cluster together in class and talk amongst themselves, distracting the other students and annoying the teacher, who is trying to teach. The teacher then has to spend extra time trying to make sure the ESL students understand what to do, help them with reading and writing, etc. They only work with an ESL teacher for about an hour a day. Their regular teacher is responsible for everything else. And while s/he is trying to help them, [b]all the other students have to fend for themselves. [/b]I can't believe this actually has to be explained to you.

That's the problem right there. Kids who can't speak the language cannot learn, and sadly FCPS has no credible solution for this issue, to the detriment of all other English-speaking students. The county needs a better plan to either get these students speaking English through full-time immersion in dedicated classrooms, or give the English-fluent kids the option to transfer into a better school. Stop penalizing kids who want to learn.

The native English speakers just aren't as smart or hardworking as you think they are. Kids who want to learn aren't being penalized.

Found the troll who wants schools to remain inundated with non-English speaking kids.