Mass Deportation: this is going to be expensive

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Anonymous wrote:Do not care. The medicine is expensive. Democrats should have thought about this before having mass open borders and allowing anyone to walk in if all they said was 'asylum'. Yes, it will cost a lot of money to fix the cesspool left by the Democrats.

It will be offset though by the tax savings we will get since our schools and hospitals will no longer be overrun. They will finally stop increasing our property taxes to keep paying for more and more schools and teachers who can teach ESL.

You also cannot place a price on our safety and national security. It was so disturbing when they reported how many ISIS affiliates had infiltrated in through our porous borders allowed by Biden, Harris, and the Dems.

Look, being hard-line about this is going to produce heartbreaking stories and photos. It will be a bitter pill. But you wouldn't have to go put people and families in detention centers if they never came here illegally or by gaming the asylum system in the first place. We are an autonomous country that is allowed to exist and have borders. Once we show spine and back bone about being tough on immigration, guess what? People will get the message to not even come and they won't take stupid risks to even try. Moral hazard. In the end, we will save many more lives and suffering by removing all incentives to coming here illegally in the first place. By allowing people in who are caught and released or who can stay for years by gaming the asylum system, you just keep encouraging more and more to take stupid risks and ruin our entire control over immigration. That's a far worse option that inadvertently causes much more suffering.

The US is a country of immigrants. Your ancestors came here illegally too. This land did not belong to them. It belonged to the millions of native Americans who were already living here.

The govt was not providing housing and medical expenses to them.

The government wasn’t using taxpayer dollars to provide housing, food, healthcare, and for illegal immigrants.

And the government isn't using taxpayer dollars to provide food and shelter for undocumented immigrants now. Stop being ridiculous.

Hmmm...have you been in a public school lately in an area with large numbers of immigrants who don't speak English? SERVICES paid for with tax dollars: special education, medical care, glasses, school supplies, breakfasts, lunches, weekend snacks in bookbags, ESL support, etc. Not to mention instruction that's impacted by the presence of 50+% of students not able to speak English. The children are precious, but don't pretend there's no cost to taxpayers. Local govts (tax dollars) are also helping with housing costs.

We are dealing with these issues in our school system (my kids go to public school) but never in a million years would I ever vote for Trump or someone like him.

I am sure all the Trumpers crying about these problems in the schools send their kids to private schools.

PP here. I didn't vote for Trump either, but it's disingenuous (or extreme naivete) for posters to pretend it's not costly to taxpayers. And I can promise you most Trumpers in those affected areas can't afford private schools.

oh they can’t afford private school, but they can afford attending college football games, Nascar races, $60 bibles, $100 sneakers, $500 Trump watches. Got it.

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Anonymous wrote:Do not care. The medicine is expensive. Democrats should have thought about this before having mass open borders and allowing anyone to walk in if all they said was 'asylum'. Yes, it will cost a lot of money to fix the cesspool left by the Democrats.

It will be offset though by the tax savings we will get since our schools and hospitals will no longer be overrun. They will finally stop increasing our property taxes to keep paying for more and more schools and teachers who can teach ESL.

You also cannot place a price on our safety and national security. It was so disturbing when they reported how many ISIS affiliates had infiltrated in through our porous borders allowed by Biden, Harris, and the Dems.

Look, being hard-line about this is going to produce heartbreaking stories and photos. It will be a bitter pill. But you wouldn't have to go put people and families in detention centers if they never came here illegally or by gaming the asylum system in the first place. We are an autonomous country that is allowed to exist and have borders. Once we show spine and back bone about being tough on immigration, guess what? People will get the message to not even come and they won't take stupid risks to even try. Moral hazard. In the end, we will save many more lives and suffering by removing all incentives to coming here illegally in the first place. By allowing people in who are caught and released or who can stay for years by gaming the asylum system, you just keep encouraging more and more to take stupid risks and ruin our entire control over immigration. That's a far worse option that inadvertently causes much more suffering.

The US is a country of immigrants. Your ancestors came here illegally too. This land did not belong to them. It belonged to the millions of native Americans who were already living here.

The govt was not providing housing and medical expenses to them.

The government wasn’t using taxpayer dollars to provide housing, food, healthcare, and for illegal immigrants.

And the government isn't using taxpayer dollars to provide food and shelter for undocumented immigrants now. Stop being ridiculous.

Hmmm...have you been in a public school lately in an area with large numbers of immigrants who don't speak English? SERVICES paid for with tax dollars: special education, medical care, glasses, school supplies, breakfasts, lunches, weekend snacks in bookbags, ESL support, etc. Not to mention instruction that's impacted by the presence of 50+% of students not able to speak English. The children are precious, but don't pretend there's no cost to taxpayers. Local govts (tax dollars) are also helping with housing costs.

We are dealing with these issues in our school system (my kids go to public school) but never in a million years would I ever vote for Trump or someone like him.

I am sure all the Trumpers crying about these problems in the schools send their kids to private schools.

PP here. I didn't vote for Trump either, but it's disingenuous (or extreme naivete) for posters to pretend it's not costly to taxpayers. And I can promise you most Trumpers in those affected areas can't afford private schools.

oh they can’t afford private school, but they can afford attending college football games, Nascar races, $60 bibles, $100 sneakers, $500 Trump watches. Got it.

All those ugly as sin football jerseys I see people wearing. Don’t those cost hundreds of dollars???

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Anonymous wrote:Do not care. The medicine is expensive. Democrats should have thought about this before having mass open borders and allowing anyone to walk in if all they said was 'asylum'. Yes, it will cost a lot of money to fix the cesspool left by the Democrats.

It will be offset though by the tax savings we will get since our schools and hospitals will no longer be overrun. They will finally stop increasing our property taxes to keep paying for more and more schools and teachers who can teach ESL.

You also cannot place a price on our safety and national security. It was so disturbing when they reported how many ISIS affiliates had infiltrated in through our porous borders allowed by Biden, Harris, and the Dems.

Look, being hard-line about this is going to produce heartbreaking stories and photos. It will be a bitter pill. But you wouldn't have to go put people and families in detention centers if they never came here illegally or by gaming the asylum system in the first place. We are an autonomous country that is allowed to exist and have borders. Once we show spine and back bone about being tough on immigration, guess what? People will get the message to not even come and they won't take stupid risks to even try. Moral hazard. In the end, we will save many more lives and suffering by removing all incentives to coming here illegally in the first place. By allowing people in who are caught and released or who can stay for years by gaming the asylum system, you just keep encouraging more and more to take stupid risks and ruin our entire control over immigration. That's a far worse option that inadvertently causes much more suffering.

The US is a country of immigrants. Your ancestors came here illegally too. This land did not belong to them. It belonged to the millions of native Americans who were already living here.

The govt was not providing housing and medical expenses to them.

The government wasn’t using taxpayer dollars to provide housing, food, healthcare, and for illegal immigrants.

And the government isn't using taxpayer dollars to provide food and shelter for undocumented immigrants now. Stop being ridiculous.

Who is paying for their hotels? Food? Medical care?

Not US taxpayer dollars. Stop spreading lies. It does no one any good.

Emergency Medicaid
Illegal immigrants and their U.S. children are eligible for emergency Medicaid services.

School nutrition
All children, regardless of immigration status, are eligible for free or reduced school lunch.

WIC
The Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children (WIC) is available to all who qualify, regardless of immigration status.

Emergency shelter
Illegal immigrants may have short-term access to shelters and soup kitchens in emergency situations.

Public health
Illegal immigrants are not restricted from accessing public health programs that provide immunizations and treatment of communicable disease symptoms.

In-kind services
Illegal immigrants may have access to other in-kind services necessary to protect life or safety, such as medical, public health, and mental health services

The total cost of providing benefits to illegal immigrants is unknown because: Illegal aliens are not required to reveal their eligibility to receive certain benefits.

Officials are often prohibited from inquiring about the status of illegal alien

All Undocumented Immigrants Now Qualify For Medi-Cal In California. The new year rung in a host of new laws in California, including the expanded Medicaid coverage, nursing home disclosures, mental health measures, LGBTQ+ protections, and more.

Over half of the states have used state funds to provide TANF, Medicaid, and/or CHIP to immigrants who are subject to the five-year bar on federally funded services, or to a broader group of immigrants. A growing number of states and counties provide health coverage to children, young adults, or pregnant persons regardless of their immigration status. Several states offer or will offer health coverage to older adults regardless of their immigration status. And five states (California, Colorado, Minnesota, Oregon, Washington) and the District of Columbia offer or will offer public or private health coverage with state subsidies to all otherwise eligible immigrants regardless of their immigration status.

Where federal matching funds are available, forty-four states have chosen to cover immigrant children and/or pregnant people, or to provide prenatal care regardless of immigration status. In 2009, when Congress first reauthorized the CHIP program, states were granted an option to provide federally funded Medicaid and CHIP to “lawfully residing” children and/or pregnant persons regardless of their date of entry into the U.S. As of May 2024, thirty-eight states plus the District of Columbia have opted to take advantage of this federal funding for immigrant health care coverage, which became available on April 1, 2009.

Twenty-two states use or will use federal funds to provide prenatal care regardless of immigration status, under an option enabling states to provide prenatal services through CHIP. Under this option, the pregnant person’s fetus is technically the recipient of CHIP-funded services. This approach potentially limits the scope of services available to the pregnant person to those directly related to the fetus’s health. However, several states have used another CHIP option or state funds to provide 12 months of post-partum care, regardless of status.

The District of Columbia, New Jersey, New York, and Vermont use state or local funds to provide prenatal care regardless of the pregnant person’s immigration status.

https://www.nilc.org/resources/overview-immeligfedprograms/

Tax payers fund every program listed.

So this is bad, but spending hundred of millions to build detention facilities where US taxpayers will feed, clothes and houses millions of undocumented workers while there claims are adjudicated is good? Including those who are otherwise providing a societal benefit? And then there is the cost of hiring people to find them and transport them. There is the cost to re-renting their residences with no notice. The cost to re-hiring with no notice. All of this will be farmed out to contractors at an enormous cost, and they will have no incentive to do it quickly if it longer contracts mean more money in their pockets.

This post isn’t about whether undocumented workers should stay in the US. The post is about how to remove them if we are going that route.

Yes, it’s good. We are removing people who are not legally in the US. We are not responsible for them. We should know who is in our country for the safety of our country and our citizens. We are responsible for the safety of our citizens.

We should use our taxpayers dollars to remove illegal immigrants, secure the border, and protect and provide help for American citizens.

If dcum posters have to employ more expensive nannies, landscapers, housekeepers, and general contractors, so be it.

Again, the point of the post isn’t whether to remove them, it’s how. We are using our taxpayer dollars to do it either way.

So why is spending years to build facilities and likely hundreds of millions of dollars to round up and fully care for undocumented immigrants the better alternative? Especially when the cost will go to contractors that charge enormous overhead and have no incentive to expedite the process?

The incoming administration has a plan and Americans voted for this candidate and plan.

You don’t get it, the campaign is over. It’s happening. If you don’t like the plan, ok. But the time is past to talk about what should happen and why and how.

Biden and Harris allowed the situation to develop into what it is. Harris offered her plan (whatever it was, anybody know?) to Americans, as did Trump. More Americans voted for Trump’s plan and the majority of Americans support mass deportation. That’s your answer.

Wait, so as soon as an election is over, we can no longer debate political policies or plans? No one in Congress, who has to authorize these funds, can have a difference of opinion? No state where these facilities are set up has a say about the process of building them? No state has the right to the process for rounding up their residents?

This is really good to know. So if the Dems take the WH in the future, all debate about their polices and plans end after the election? There will be no hearing Trumpes whine for 4 whole years like they did from 2021 till now?

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Anonymous wrote:Do not care. The medicine is expensive. Democrats should have thought about this before having mass open borders and allowing anyone to walk in if all they said was 'asylum'. Yes, it will cost a lot of money to fix the cesspool left by the Democrats.

It will be offset though by the tax savings we will get since our schools and hospitals will no longer be overrun. They will finally stop increasing our property taxes to keep paying for more and more schools and teachers who can teach ESL.

You also cannot place a price on our safety and national security. It was so disturbing when they reported how many ISIS affiliates had infiltrated in through our porous borders allowed by Biden, Harris, and the Dems.

Look, being hard-line about this is going to produce heartbreaking stories and photos. It will be a bitter pill. But you wouldn't have to go put people and families in detention centers if they never came here illegally or by gaming the asylum system in the first place. We are an autonomous country that is allowed to exist and have borders. Once we show spine and back bone about being tough on immigration, guess what? People will get the message to not even come and they won't take stupid risks to even try. Moral hazard. In the end, we will save many more lives and suffering by removing all incentives to coming here illegally in the first place. By allowing people in who are caught and released or who can stay for years by gaming the asylum system, you just keep encouraging more and more to take stupid risks and ruin our entire control over immigration. That's a far worse option that inadvertently causes much more suffering.

The US is a country of immigrants. Your ancestors came here illegally too. This land did not belong to them. It belonged to the millions of native Americans who were already living here.

The govt was not providing housing and medical expenses to them.

The government wasn’t using taxpayer dollars to provide housing, food, healthcare, and for illegal immigrants.

And the government isn't using taxpayer dollars to provide food and shelter for undocumented immigrants now. Stop being ridiculous.

Hmmm...have you been in a public school lately in an area with large numbers of immigrants who don't speak English? SERVICES paid for with tax dollars: special education, medical care, glasses, school supplies, breakfasts, lunches, weekend snacks in bookbags, ESL support, etc. Not to mention instruction that's impacted by the presence of 50+% of students not able to speak English. The children are precious, but don't pretend there's no cost to taxpayers. Local govts (tax dollars) are also helping with housing costs.

We are dealing with these issues in our school system (my kids go to public school) but never in a million years would I ever vote for Trump or someone like him.

I am sure all the Trumpers crying about these problems in the schools send their kids to private schools.

PP here. I didn't vote for Trump either, but it's disingenuous (or extreme naivete) for posters to pretend it's not costly to taxpayers. And I can promise you most Trumpers in those affected areas can't afford private schools.

oh they can’t afford private school, but they can afford attending college football games, Nascar races, $60 bibles, $100 sneakers, $500 Trump watches. Got it.

Taxpayers pay for public schools. Then democrats ruin them by flooding them with the kids of illegals so they can have cheap nannies and housekeepers and landscapers, and taxpayers have to pay for private school too?

And pay for the bountiful benefits democrat slaves receive from the taxpayer.

You must not have any kids, because sneakers that cost $100 aren’t even fancy.

Taxpayers don’t exist to fund your cheap household help and future voters.

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Anonymous wrote:Do not care. The medicine is expensive. Democrats should have thought about this before having mass open borders and allowing anyone to walk in if all they said was 'asylum'. Yes, it will cost a lot of money to fix the cesspool left by the Democrats.

It will be offset though by the tax savings we will get since our schools and hospitals will no longer be overrun. They will finally stop increasing our property taxes to keep paying for more and more schools and teachers who can teach ESL.

You also cannot place a price on our safety and national security. It was so disturbing when they reported how many ISIS affiliates had infiltrated in through our porous borders allowed by Biden, Harris, and the Dems.

Look, being hard-line about this is going to produce heartbreaking stories and photos. It will be a bitter pill. But you wouldn't have to go put people and families in detention centers if they never came here illegally or by gaming the asylum system in the first place. We are an autonomous country that is allowed to exist and have borders. Once we show spine and back bone about being tough on immigration, guess what? People will get the message to not even come and they won't take stupid risks to even try. Moral hazard. In the end, we will save many more lives and suffering by removing all incentives to coming here illegally in the first place. By allowing people in who are caught and released or who can stay for years by gaming the asylum system, you just keep encouraging more and more to take stupid risks and ruin our entire control over immigration. That's a far worse option that inadvertently causes much more suffering.

The US is a country of immigrants. Your ancestors came here illegally too. This land did not belong to them. It belonged to the millions of native Americans who were already living here.

The govt was not providing housing and medical expenses to them.

The government wasn’t using taxpayer dollars to provide housing, food, healthcare, and for illegal immigrants.

And the government isn't using taxpayer dollars to provide food and shelter for undocumented immigrants now. Stop being ridiculous.

Hmmm...have you been in a public school lately in an area with large numbers of immigrants who don't speak English? SERVICES paid for with tax dollars: special education, medical care, glasses, school supplies, breakfasts, lunches, weekend snacks in bookbags, ESL support, etc. Not to mention instruction that's impacted by the presence of 50+% of students not able to speak English. The children are precious, but don't pretend there's no cost to taxpayers. Local govts (tax dollars) are also helping with housing costs.

We are dealing with these issues in our school system (my kids go to public school) but never in a million years would I ever vote for Trump or someone like him.

I am sure all the Trumpers crying about these problems in the schools send their kids to private schools.

PP here. I didn't vote for Trump either, but it's disingenuous (or extreme naivete) for posters to pretend it's not costly to taxpayers. And I can promise you most Trumpers in those affected areas can't afford private schools.

oh they can’t afford private school, but they can afford attending college football games, Nascar races, $60 bibles, $100 sneakers, $500 Trump watches. Got it.

PP here. Guess I don't know as many Trump voters as you do.

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Anonymous wrote:Do not care. The medicine is expensive. Democrats should have thought about this before having mass open borders and allowing anyone to walk in if all they said was 'asylum'. Yes, it will cost a lot of money to fix the cesspool left by the Democrats.

It will be offset though by the tax savings we will get since our schools and hospitals will no longer be overrun. They will finally stop increasing our property taxes to keep paying for more and more schools and teachers who can teach ESL.

You also cannot place a price on our safety and national security. It was so disturbing when they reported how many ISIS affiliates had infiltrated in through our porous borders allowed by Biden, Harris, and the Dems.

Look, being hard-line about this is going to produce heartbreaking stories and photos. It will be a bitter pill. But you wouldn't have to go put people and families in detention centers if they never came here illegally or by gaming the asylum system in the first place. We are an autonomous country that is allowed to exist and have borders. Once we show spine and back bone about being tough on immigration, guess what? People will get the message to not even come and they won't take stupid risks to even try. Moral hazard. In the end, we will save many more lives and suffering by removing all incentives to coming here illegally in the first place. By allowing people in who are caught and released or who can stay for years by gaming the asylum system, you just keep encouraging more and more to take stupid risks and ruin our entire control over immigration. That's a far worse option that inadvertently causes much more suffering.

The US is a country of immigrants. Your ancestors came here illegally too. This land did not belong to them. It belonged to the millions of native Americans who were already living here.

The govt was not providing housing and medical expenses to them.

The government wasn’t using taxpayer dollars to provide housing, food, healthcare, and for illegal immigrants.

And the government isn't using taxpayer dollars to provide food and shelter for undocumented immigrants now. Stop being ridiculous.

Hmmm...have you been in a public school lately in an area with large numbers of immigrants who don't speak English? SERVICES paid for with tax dollars: special education, medical care, glasses, school supplies, breakfasts, lunches, weekend snacks in bookbags, ESL support, etc. Not to mention instruction that's impacted by the presence of 50+% of students not able to speak English. The children are precious, but don't pretend there's no cost to taxpayers. Local govts (tax dollars) are also helping with housing costs.

We are dealing with these issues in our school system (my kids go to public school) but never in a million years would I ever vote for Trump or someone like him.

I am sure all the Trumpers crying about these problems in the schools send their kids to private schools.

PP here. I didn't vote for Trump either, but it's disingenuous (or extreme naivete) for posters to pretend it's not costly to taxpayers. And I can promise you most Trumpers in those affected areas can't afford private schools.

oh they can’t afford private school, but they can afford attending college football games, Nascar races, $60 bibles, $100 sneakers, $500 Trump watches. Got it.

Taxpayers pay for public schools. Then democrats ruin them by flooding them with the kids of illegals so they can have cheap nannies and housekeepers and landscapers, and taxpayers have to pay for private school too?

And pay for the bountiful benefits democrat slaves receive from the taxpayer.

You must not have any kids, because sneakers that cost $100 aren’t even fancy.

Taxpayers don’t exist to fund your cheap household help and future voters.

I have kids. 2 kids that go to public schools. Our schools are over crowded but would never in a million years vote for Trump. Ever. and yeah, because of stupid Trump voters like you, the labor market will be decimated. So thanks!

I am sorry, my mistake Trump sneakers cost $225.

so all these people crying about gas prices and grocery costs can’t afford Trump sneakers and other things like college football games, got it.

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Anonymous wrote:Do not care. The medicine is expensive. Democrats should have thought about this before having mass open borders and allowing anyone to walk in if all they said was 'asylum'. Yes, it will cost a lot of money to fix the cesspool left by the Democrats.

It will be offset though by the tax savings we will get since our schools and hospitals will no longer be overrun. They will finally stop increasing our property taxes to keep paying for more and more schools and teachers who can teach ESL.

You also cannot place a price on our safety and national security. It was so disturbing when they reported how many ISIS affiliates had infiltrated in through our porous borders allowed by Biden, Harris, and the Dems.

Look, being hard-line about this is going to produce heartbreaking stories and photos. It will be a bitter pill. But you wouldn't have to go put people and families in detention centers if they never came here illegally or by gaming the asylum system in the first place. We are an autonomous country that is allowed to exist and have borders. Once we show spine and back bone about being tough on immigration, guess what? People will get the message to not even come and they won't take stupid risks to even try. Moral hazard. In the end, we will save many more lives and suffering by removing all incentives to coming here illegally in the first place. By allowing people in who are caught and released or who can stay for years by gaming the asylum system, you just keep encouraging more and more to take stupid risks and ruin our entire control over immigration. That's a far worse option that inadvertently causes much more suffering.

The US is a country of immigrants. Your ancestors came here illegally too. This land did not belong to them. It belonged to the millions of native Americans who were already living here.

The govt was not providing housing and medical expenses to them.

The government wasn’t using taxpayer dollars to provide housing, food, healthcare, and for illegal immigrants.

And the government isn't using taxpayer dollars to provide food and shelter for undocumented immigrants now. Stop being ridiculous.

Hmmm...have you been in a public school lately in an area with large numbers of immigrants who don't speak English? SERVICES paid for with tax dollars: special education, medical care, glasses, school supplies, breakfasts, lunches, weekend snacks in bookbags, ESL support, etc. Not to mention instruction that's impacted by the presence of 50+% of students not able to speak English. The children are precious, but don't pretend there's no cost to taxpayers. Local govts (tax dollars) are also helping with housing costs.

We are dealing with these issues in our school system (my kids go to public school) but never in a million years would I ever vote for Trump or someone like him.

I am sure all the Trumpers crying about these problems in the schools send their kids to private schools.

PP here. I didn't vote for Trump either, but it's disingenuous (or extreme naivete) for posters to pretend it's not costly to taxpayers. And I can promise you most Trumpers in those affected areas can't afford private schools.

oh they can’t afford private school, but they can afford attending college football games, Nascar races, $60 bibles, $100 sneakers, $500 Trump watches. Got it.

PP here. Guess I don't know as many Trump voters as you do.

Who is buying this stuff? Non voter Trump voters? Ok 🙄

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Anonymous wrote:Do not care. The medicine is expensive. Democrats should have thought about this before having mass open borders and allowing anyone to walk in if all they said was 'asylum'. Yes, it will cost a lot of money to fix the cesspool left by the Democrats.

It will be offset though by the tax savings we will get since our schools and hospitals will no longer be overrun. They will finally stop increasing our property taxes to keep paying for more and more schools and teachers who can teach ESL.

You also cannot place a price on our safety and national security. It was so disturbing when they reported how many ISIS affiliates had infiltrated in through our porous borders allowed by Biden, Harris, and the Dems.

Look, being hard-line about this is going to produce heartbreaking stories and photos. It will be a bitter pill. But you wouldn't have to go put people and families in detention centers if they never came here illegally or by gaming the asylum system in the first place. We are an autonomous country that is allowed to exist and have borders. Once we show spine and back bone about being tough on immigration, guess what? People will get the message to not even come and they won't take stupid risks to even try. Moral hazard. In the end, we will save many more lives and suffering by removing all incentives to coming here illegally in the first place. By allowing people in who are caught and released or who can stay for years by gaming the asylum system, you just keep encouraging more and more to take stupid risks and ruin our entire control over immigration. That's a far worse option that inadvertently causes much more suffering.

The US is a country of immigrants. Your ancestors came here illegally too. This land did not belong to them. It belonged to the millions of native Americans who were already living here.

The govt was not providing housing and medical expenses to them.

The government wasn’t using taxpayer dollars to provide housing, food, healthcare, and for illegal immigrants.

And the government isn't using taxpayer dollars to provide food and shelter for undocumented immigrants now. Stop being ridiculous.

Hmmm...have you been in a public school lately in an area with large numbers of immigrants who don't speak English? SERVICES paid for with tax dollars: special education, medical care, glasses, school supplies, breakfasts, lunches, weekend snacks in bookbags, ESL support, etc. Not to mention instruction that's impacted by the presence of 50+% of students not able to speak English. The children are precious, but don't pretend there's no cost to taxpayers. Local govts (tax dollars) are also helping with housing costs.

We are dealing with these issues in our school system (my kids go to public school) but never in a million years would I ever vote for Trump or someone like him.

I am sure all the Trumpers crying about these problems in the schools send their kids to private schools.

PP here. I didn't vote for Trump either, but it's disingenuous (or extreme naivete) for posters to pretend it's not costly to taxpayers. And I can promise you most Trumpers in those affected areas can't afford private schools.

oh they can’t afford private school, but they can afford attending college football games, Nascar races, $60 bibles, $100 sneakers, $500 Trump watches. Got it.

All those ugly as sin football jerseys I see people wearing. Don’t those cost hundreds of dollars???

Americans should not buy consumer goods and give all their money to illegal aliens?

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Anonymous wrote:Do not care. The medicine is expensive. Democrats should have thought about this before having mass open borders and allowing anyone to walk in if all they said was 'asylum'. Yes, it will cost a lot of money to fix the cesspool left by the Democrats.

It will be offset though by the tax savings we will get since our schools and hospitals will no longer be overrun. They will finally stop increasing our property taxes to keep paying for more and more schools and teachers who can teach ESL.

You also cannot place a price on our safety and national security. It was so disturbing when they reported how many ISIS affiliates had infiltrated in through our porous borders allowed by Biden, Harris, and the Dems.

Look, being hard-line about this is going to produce heartbreaking stories and photos. It will be a bitter pill. But you wouldn't have to go put people and families in detention centers if they never came here illegally or by gaming the asylum system in the first place. We are an autonomous country that is allowed to exist and have borders. Once we show spine and back bone about being tough on immigration, guess what? People will get the message to not even come and they won't take stupid risks to even try. Moral hazard. In the end, we will save many more lives and suffering by removing all incentives to coming here illegally in the first place. By allowing people in who are caught and released or who can stay for years by gaming the asylum system, you just keep encouraging more and more to take stupid risks and ruin our entire control over immigration. That's a far worse option that inadvertently causes much more suffering.

The US is a country of immigrants. Your ancestors came here illegally too. This land did not belong to them. It belonged to the millions of native Americans who were already living here.

The govt was not providing housing and medical expenses to them.

The government wasn’t using taxpayer dollars to provide housing, food, healthcare, and for illegal immigrants.

And the government isn't using taxpayer dollars to provide food and shelter for undocumented immigrants now. Stop being ridiculous.

Hmmm...have you been in a public school lately in an area with large numbers of immigrants who don't speak English? SERVICES paid for with tax dollars: special education, medical care, glasses, school supplies, breakfasts, lunches, weekend snacks in bookbags, ESL support, etc. Not to mention instruction that's impacted by the presence of 50+% of students not able to speak English. The children are precious, but don't pretend there's no cost to taxpayers. Local govts (tax dollars) are also helping with housing costs.

We are dealing with these issues in our school system (my kids go to public school) but never in a million years would I ever vote for Trump or someone like him.

I am sure all the Trumpers crying about these problems in the schools send their kids to private schools.

PP here. I didn't vote for Trump either, but it's disingenuous (or extreme naivete) for posters to pretend it's not costly to taxpayers. And I can promise you most Trumpers in those affected areas can't afford private schools.

oh they can’t afford private school, but they can afford attending college football games, Nascar races, $60 bibles, $100 sneakers, $500 Trump watches. Got it.

PP here. Guess I don't know as many Trump voters as you do.

Who is buying this stuff? Non voter Trump voters? Ok 🙄

I don't know the numbers of people buying that stuff. I do know that the poor kids in rural communities that I evaluate have parents who might wear MAGA hats. Norhing else you mentioned.

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Anonymous wrote:Do not care. The medicine is expensive. Democrats should have thought about this before having mass open borders and allowing anyone to walk in if all they said was 'asylum'. Yes, it will cost a lot of money to fix the cesspool left by the Democrats.

It will be offset though by the tax savings we will get since our schools and hospitals will no longer be overrun. They will finally stop increasing our property taxes to keep paying for more and more schools and teachers who can teach ESL.

You also cannot place a price on our safety and national security. It was so disturbing when they reported how many ISIS affiliates had infiltrated in through our porous borders allowed by Biden, Harris, and the Dems.

Look, being hard-line about this is going to produce heartbreaking stories and photos. It will be a bitter pill. But you wouldn't have to go put people and families in detention centers if they never came here illegally or by gaming the asylum system in the first place. We are an autonomous country that is allowed to exist and have borders. Once we show spine and back bone about being tough on immigration, guess what? People will get the message to not even come and they won't take stupid risks to even try. Moral hazard. In the end, we will save many more lives and suffering by removing all incentives to coming here illegally in the first place. By allowing people in who are caught and released or who can stay for years by gaming the asylum system, you just keep encouraging more and more to take stupid risks and ruin our entire control over immigration. That's a far worse option that inadvertently causes much more suffering.

The US is a country of immigrants. Your ancestors came here illegally too. This land did not belong to them. It belonged to the millions of native Americans who were already living here.

The govt was not providing housing and medical expenses to them.

The government wasn’t using taxpayer dollars to provide housing, food, healthcare, and for illegal immigrants.

And the government isn't using taxpayer dollars to provide food and shelter for undocumented immigrants now. Stop being ridiculous.

Hmmm...have you been in a public school lately in an area with large numbers of immigrants who don't speak English? SERVICES paid for with tax dollars: special education, medical care, glasses, school supplies, breakfasts, lunches, weekend snacks in bookbags, ESL support, etc. Not to mention instruction that's impacted by the presence of 50+% of students not able to speak English. The children are precious, but don't pretend there's no cost to taxpayers. Local govts (tax dollars) are also helping with housing costs.

We are dealing with these issues in our school system (my kids go to public school) but never in a million years would I ever vote for Trump or someone like him.

I am sure all the Trumpers crying about these problems in the schools send their kids to private schools.

PP here. I didn't vote for Trump either, but it's disingenuous (or extreme naivete) for posters to pretend it's not costly to taxpayers. And I can promise you most Trumpers in those affected areas can't afford private schools.

oh they can’t afford private school, but they can afford attending college football games, Nascar races, $60 bibles, $100 sneakers, $500 Trump watches. Got it.

Taxpayers pay for public schools. Then democrats ruin them by flooding them with the kids of illegals so they can have cheap nannies and housekeepers and landscapers, and taxpayers have to pay for private school too?

And pay for the bountiful benefits democrat slaves receive from the taxpayer.

You must not have any kids, because sneakers that cost $100 aren’t even fancy.

Taxpayers don’t exist to fund your cheap household help and future voters.

I have kids. 2 kids that go to public schools. Our schools are over crowded but would never in a million years vote for Trump. Ever. and yeah, because of stupid Trump voters like you, the labor market will be decimated. So thanks!

I am sorry, my mistake Trump sneakers cost $225.

so all these people crying about gas prices and grocery costs can’t afford Trump sneakers and other things like college football games, got it.

Americans should be happy with inflation, not buy footwear, and not attend sporting events and instead fund the benefits given by state and federal government for illegal aliens?

Democrats sure love illegal aliens and despise taxpaying Americans. Gee, wonder why Trump won?

Keep repeating your screed, near and far. Make sure you let your fellow Americans know who you are siding with: non-citizens. You believe Americans should not purchase consumer goods or attend sporting events. That’s sane.

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I'm not a Trump voter. But I have two kids in public school and also work in public school and can easily see what has happened over the last 20 years in the public schools. Even in this area which is not a border town. It is a huge drain on school districts both financially as well as teacher attention. And thanks to Great Schools, schools are judged on how well (or not well) ESL student improve and learn the curriculum. So you'd better believe school districts divert resources disproportionately to those students.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not a Trump voter. But I have two kids in public school and also work in public school and can easily see what has happened over the last 20 years in the public schools. Even in this area which is not a border town. It is a huge drain on school districts both financially as well as teacher attention. And thanks to Great Schools, schools are judged on how well (or not well) ESL student improve and learn the curriculum. So you'd better believe school districts divert resources disproportionately to those students.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not a Trump voter. But I have two kids in public school and also work in public school and can easily see what has happened over the last 20 years in the public schools. Even in this area which is not a border town. It is a huge drain on school districts both financially as well as teacher attention. And thanks to Great Schools, schools are judged on how well (or not well) ESL student improve and learn the curriculum. So you'd better believe school districts divert resources disproportionately to those students.

It’s not right. It’s unfair to the students, the teachers, and the taxpayer.

The democrats posting in this thread don’t care about American children. They don’t care about American teachers, or American taxpayers. They are solely focused on disparaging Americans and aiding illegal immigrants and their families with taxpayer dollars.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not a Trump voter. But I have two kids in public school and also work in public school and can easily see what has happened over the last 20 years in the public schools. Even in this area which is not a border town. It is a huge drain on school districts both financially as well as teacher attention. And thanks to Great Schools, schools are judged on how well (or not well) ESL student improve and learn the curriculum. So you'd better believe school districts divert resources disproportionately to those students.

It’s not right. It’s unfair to the students, the teachers, and the taxpayer.

The democrats posting in this thread don’t care about American children. They don’t care about American teachers, or American taxpayers. They are solely focused on disparaging Americans and aiding illegal immigrants and their families with taxpayer dollars.

Hyperbole gets us nowhere.

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Anonymous wrote:Do not care. The medicine is expensive. Democrats should have thought about this before having mass open borders and allowing anyone to walk in if all they said was 'asylum'. Yes, it will cost a lot of money to fix the cesspool left by the Democrats.

It will be offset though by the tax savings we will get since our schools and hospitals will no longer be overrun. They will finally stop increasing our property taxes to keep paying for more and more schools and teachers who can teach ESL.

You also cannot place a price on our safety and national security. It was so disturbing when they reported how many ISIS affiliates had infiltrated in through our porous borders allowed by Biden, Harris, and the Dems.

Look, being hard-line about this is going to produce heartbreaking stories and photos. It will be a bitter pill. But you wouldn't have to go put people and families in detention centers if they never came here illegally or by gaming the asylum system in the first place. We are an autonomous country that is allowed to exist and have borders. Once we show spine and back bone about being tough on immigration, guess what? People will get the message to not even come and they won't take stupid risks to even try. Moral hazard. In the end, we will save many more lives and suffering by removing all incentives to coming here illegally in the first place. By allowing people in who are caught and released or who can stay for years by gaming the asylum system, you just keep encouraging more and more to take stupid risks and ruin our entire control over immigration. That's a far worse option that inadvertently causes much more suffering.

The US is a country of immigrants. Your ancestors came here illegally too. This land did not belong to them. It belonged to the millions of native Americans who were already living here.

The govt was not providing housing and medical expenses to them.

The government wasn’t using taxpayer dollars to provide housing, food, healthcare, and for illegal immigrants.

And the government isn't using taxpayer dollars to provide food and shelter for undocumented immigrants now. Stop being ridiculous.

Hmmm...have you been in a public school lately in an area with large numbers of immigrants who don't speak English? SERVICES paid for with tax dollars: special education, medical care, glasses, school supplies, breakfasts, lunches, weekend snacks in bookbags, ESL support, etc. Not to mention instruction that's impacted by the presence of 50+% of students not able to speak English. The children are precious, but don't pretend there's no cost to taxpayers. Local govts (tax dollars) are also helping with housing costs.

We are dealing with these issues in our school system (my kids go to public school) but never in a million years would I ever vote for Trump or someone like him.

I am sure all the Trumpers crying about these problems in the schools send their kids to private schools.

PP here. I didn't vote for Trump either, but it's disingenuous (or extreme naivete) for posters to pretend it's not costly to taxpayers. And I can promise you most Trumpers in those affected areas can't afford private schools.

oh they can’t afford private school, but they can afford attending college football games, Nascar races, $60 bibles, $100 sneakers, $500 Trump watches. Got it.

Taxpayers pay for public schools. Then democrats ruin them by flooding them with the kids of illegals so they can have cheap nannies and housekeepers and landscapers, and taxpayers have to pay for private school too?

And pay for the bountiful benefits democrat slaves receive from the taxpayer.

You must not have any kids, because sneakers that cost $100 aren’t even fancy.

Taxpayers don’t exist to fund your cheap household help and future voters.

I have kids. 2 kids that go to public schools. Our schools are over crowded but would never in a million years vote for Trump. Ever. and yeah, because of stupid Trump voters like you, the labor market will be decimated. So thanks!

I am sorry, my mistake Trump sneakers cost $225.

so all these people crying about gas prices and grocery costs can’t afford Trump sneakers and other things like college football games, got it.

Americans should be happy with inflation, not buy footwear, and not attend sporting events and instead fund the benefits given by state and federal government for illegal aliens?

Democrats sure love illegal aliens and despise taxpaying Americans. Gee, wonder why Trump won?

Keep repeating your screed, near and far. Make sure you let your fellow Americans know who you are siding with: non-citizens. You believe Americans should not purchase consumer goods or attend sporting events. That’s sane.

so they complain about the cost of groceries but spend their money on unnecessary stuff? You are totally missing the point. Don’t complain about paying for your basic needs while blowing money on sneakers, bitcoins and other crap.

My neighbor lives in a huge house by himself with an in ground pool. Sports car and huge truck. But complains about the cost of groceries. Maybe get rid of one of your cars or close in your pool if your basic needs are too expensive.

So tone deaf.