Navy Elementary - Principal Resignation

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Anonymous wrote:For those wondering why the principal resigned, let’s clear things up. He wasn’t driven out by parents; he was forced out by the county after numerous complaints from both parents and staff about his incompetence. If anyone still believes he was a good principal, it’s probably because your child hasn’t had any issues that required you to contact the admin. Those of us who’ve had to deal with him firsthand know just how ineffective and dishonest he was.




Last year, when concerns were raised about his leadership, many of you defended him. Now, with the mass exodus of teachers and your kids feeling the effects, you’re seeing what some tried to warned about. The teachers left because they weren’t supported and were treated poorly.

And let’s not forget how some of you attacked “the sub” for passing around the letter about the principal. She was trying to shine a light on what was really going on, and she was right. Thank you, SUB, for having the courage to speak up when others stayed quiet.

Now, Navy’s stuck with a revolving door of unqualified replacements and no principal in sight. This is what happens when someone unfit for the job is allowed to run the school. Maybe if more people had listened last year, Navy wouldn’t be in this mess.

Hopefully, this serves as a wake-up call. Our kids deserve better.

Excuse me, how about if the original principal didn’t drive drunk into a house and flee the scene, we wouldn’t be in this mess. Please put blame where it really belongs.

Shall we go tar and feather him?

Seriously though, get Coch back from rehab and get him into Navy. I’m saying it in all seriousness. He was actually amazing. He was so responsive. Two kids in Navy. One graduated (thank god) and LOVED navy. We never had a complaint. But this year with my child in first, they have hired such incompetent new teachers (across the board.) Navy has gone downhill and it’s so sad because so many moved here for the school. I may end up putting my child in private school.

There is a teacher shortage it is national and yes even here at FCPS and Navy. Navy parents behave as if they are the only school going through this. You are not. It's county wide issues of staffing and FCPS have continuously made the issues worse not better.

When you lose a lot of teachers at once and a have poor reputation within the county, principals don’t get the luxury of being picky about teachers.

I heard former Navy staff trash Navy now on Facebook and in their new communities.

I think that just goes to show their true colors. I have switched jobs before and I don't go online trashing my former place of work. Geez, move on and be happy you have a new job. Principal didn't stand a chance. I hope they are happy now.

Navy parents trash teachers on here all the time. I guess those are their true colors showing.

Both are contributing to difficulty hiring at the school. Pointing fingers back and forth helps no one.

Exactly but Navy parents are very much ones to point fingers at everyone but themselves.

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Anonymous wrote:Its common at other schools for classes to have long term subs for the entire school year.
So parents were crying about a long term
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Two subjects, but yes.

I thought the problem was that there was no sub. The long term sub they had hired quit after like a week. And since then there has been no one filling that role. That’s why parents have been upset.

You don’t know the facts obviously. First sub quit after 3 weeks. She was never supposed to be there long term anyway. Then they had a 2nd sub (a warm body) for a week. No one could even understand her. Then they got a long term sub who was there for 6 weeks and left the class in shambles. While there, she loosely threw some SS materials at them but it was absolute chaos in her class. Not a drop of science was taught.

Ok great. No need to be snarky to me. The point remains that it’s not just parents being upset that there’s a long term sub, like PP tried to imply. I am on your side here.

I hope you don’t speak like this to the people you need on your side in order to fix the situation. They’re not going to feel very sympathetic to you if you’re being an a-hole.

I am a new poster. I want to add that last year there was a long term sub for one of the grades and she had lesson plans. All was well and she was well liked. This year what the previous person said was true. They didn't learn much and the class was chaotic. My kid was coming home with migraines daily and overly stressed by the behaviors of some really problematic kids. The problem was not the sub but the lack of plans and support and expectations. The buck stops with admin but the current situation does sadden me as we are all human and I feel like mistakes were made and I wish there was a different outcome.

Lack of plans was because the previous teacher who taught SS/Sci had left. There was no one to provide those plans to the sub to begin with. Whose responsibility was it to provide plans to the sub? Why wasn’t everyone working together on it from day 1?

They should have all come together to support the sub and make sure she had adequate plans. Instead our kids suffered. The team and admin did not work together here it seems.

Yes but this is even more out of the teachers personal time. Yes they need to work as a team, but it’s not good doing your lessons and someone else’s for an indefinite period of time.

Unfortunately that is what happens when there is a long term sub.

I would imagine that people are a lot more willing to help if the person shows some sort of initiative and willingness to do what they can on their own to pull plans together. If the sub was not doing that, I can see why a lot of resentment would be created. You can’t expect people to just do someone else’s job for them if they are straight up incompetent.

Exactly. Even so, Mr. Dyer gave the sub his slides and typed out detailed instructions for the children to follow on Schoology every, single morning. The sub had everything she needed. Hell, the parents even had everything they needed to teach the unit on Western African Empires. But instead of using the materials she was given, she would just let the kids sit there from 12-2:50 and do whatever they wanted. I cannot even begin to tell you some of the things that were happening in that class. I used to teach in a Title 1 school, and none of it would have been acceptable. Sub or no sub.

Why was Mr. Dyer providing the plans, when he is on the AAP team? Where are the gen Ed plans for SS/Sci?(this goes back to the vacancy issue created by last year’s Gen Ed SS/Sci teacher leaving). And please note his AAP class gets SS and Science daily. If the sub was just following his plans, that would mean our kids never would get taught science as Mr. Dyer doesn’t teach science. Again, who was overseeing the plans to ensure our kids got both SS and science?

OMG this is such a Navy AAP Mama response. Sweetheart, literally the only difference between what your kid and my kid learn is advanced math.

Sweetheart, this is such a typical response of a truly clueless parent. Do you not understand that gen Ed doesn’t have social studies and science daily in their schedule, but AAP does? Therefore it made no sense for gen Ed to follow the AAP plans in SS as that would mean no science for gen Ed kids. The way the curriculum is taught to the AAP kids is also vastly different. The AAP kids mainly use the textbook for social studies and lots of readings - our kids didn’t have access to the textbook as we weren’t provided with an online code (AAP was by the way). Also many of our kids have reading issues so need a different way of learning. A textbook heavy lesson doesn’t cut it for gen Ed kids.

HAHAHAHAHAHA. Good one, PP!! General Ed students don't know how to read!! LOLOLOLOLOL. I'm dead.
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No, you certainly don’t. Nowhere did I say they “can’t read.”

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Anonymous wrote:Its common at other schools for classes to have long term subs for the entire school year.
So parents were crying about a long term
sub for just one subject?

Two subjects, but yes.

I thought the problem was that there was no sub. The long term sub they had hired quit after like a week. And since then there has been no one filling that role. That’s why parents have been upset.

You don’t know the facts obviously. First sub quit after 3 weeks. She was never supposed to be there long term anyway. Then they had a 2nd sub (a warm body) for a week. No one could even understand her. Then they got a long term sub who was there for 6 weeks and left the class in shambles. While there, she loosely threw some SS materials at them but it was absolute chaos in her class. Not a drop of science was taught.

Ok great. No need to be snarky to me. The point remains that it’s not just parents being upset that there’s a long term sub, like PP tried to imply. I am on your side here.

I hope you don’t speak like this to the people you need on your side in order to fix the situation. They’re not going to feel very sympathetic to you if you’re being an a-hole.

I am a new poster. I want to add that last year there was a long term sub for one of the grades and she had lesson plans. All was well and she was well liked. This year what the previous person said was true. They didn't learn much and the class was chaotic. My kid was coming home with migraines daily and overly stressed by the behaviors of some really problematic kids. The problem was not the sub but the lack of plans and support and expectations. The buck stops with admin but the current situation does sadden me as we are all human and I feel like mistakes were made and I wish there was a different outcome.

Lack of plans was because the previous teacher who taught SS/Sci had left. There was no one to provide those plans to the sub to begin with. Whose responsibility was it to provide plans to the sub? Why wasn’t everyone working together on it from day 1?

They should have all come together to support the sub and make sure she had adequate plans. Instead our kids suffered. The team and admin did not work together here it seems.

Yes but this is even more out of the teachers personal time. Yes they need to work as a team, but it’s not good doing your lessons and someone else’s for an indefinite period of time.

Unfortunately that is what happens when there is a long term sub.

I would imagine that people are a lot more willing to help if the person shows some sort of initiative and willingness to do what they can on their own to pull plans together. If the sub was not doing that, I can see why a lot of resentment would be created. You can’t expect people to just do someone else’s job for them if they are straight up incompetent.

Exactly. Even so, Mr. Dyer gave the sub his slides and typed out detailed instructions for the children to follow on Schoology every, single morning. The sub had everything she needed. Hell, the parents even had everything they needed to teach the unit on Western African Empires. But instead of using the materials she was given, she would just let the kids sit there from 12-2:50 and do whatever they wanted. I cannot even begin to tell you some of the things that were happening in that class. I used to teach in a Title 1 school, and none of it would have been acceptable. Sub or no sub.

Why was Mr. Dyer providing the plans, when he is on the AAP team? Where are the gen Ed plans for SS/Sci?(this goes back to the vacancy issue created by last year’s Gen Ed SS/Sci teacher leaving). And please note his AAP class gets SS and Science daily. If the sub was just following his plans, that would mean our kids never would get taught science as Mr. Dyer doesn’t teach science. Again, who was overseeing the plans to ensure our kids got both SS and science?

OMG this is such a Navy AAP Mama response. Sweetheart, literally the only difference between what your kid and my kid learn is advanced math.

Different peer group though

Not at Navy, all the children come from very academically-oriented families.

+1. Different peer group my *ss. These kids are neighbors, are in sports and extracurriculars together, and many went to preschool together. We do a carpool with a kid in AAP and that child and mine talk about the same exact silly kid things. But I guess we know how PP thinks of Gen Ed kids. Clearly they are beneath her amazing genius child!

My came from crossfield.

Like I said, different peer group

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Anonymous wrote:For those wondering why the principal resigned, let’s clear things up. He wasn’t driven out by parents; he was forced out by the county after numerous complaints from both parents and staff about his incompetence. If anyone still believes he was a good principal, it’s probably because your child hasn’t had any issues that required you to contact the admin. Those of us who’ve had to deal with him firsthand know just how ineffective and dishonest he was.




Last year, when concerns were raised about his leadership, many of you defended him. Now, with the mass exodus of teachers and your kids feeling the effects, you’re seeing what some tried to warned about. The teachers left because they weren’t supported and were treated poorly.

And let’s not forget how some of you attacked “the sub” for passing around the letter about the principal. She was trying to shine a light on what was really going on, and she was right. Thank you, SUB, for having the courage to speak up when others stayed quiet.

Now, Navy’s stuck with a revolving door of unqualified replacements and no principal in sight. This is what happens when someone unfit for the job is allowed to run the school. Maybe if more people had listened last year, Navy wouldn’t be in this mess.

Hopefully, this serves as a wake-up call. Our kids deserve better.

Excuse me, how about if the original principal didn’t drive drunk into a house and flee the scene, we wouldn’t be in this mess. Please put blame where it really belongs.

Shall we go tar and feather him?

Seriously though, get Coch back from rehab and get him into Navy. I’m saying it in all seriousness. He was actually amazing. He was so responsive. Two kids in Navy. One graduated (thank god) and LOVED navy. We never had a complaint. But this year with my child in first, they have hired such incompetent new teachers (across the board.) Navy has gone downhill and it’s so sad because so many moved here for the school. I may end up putting my child in private school.

There is a teacher shortage it is national and yes even here at FCPS and Navy. Navy parents behave as if they are the only school going through this. You are not. It's county wide issues of staffing and FCPS have continuously made the issues worse not better.

When you lose a lot of teachers at once and a have poor reputation within the county, principals don’t get the luxury of being picky about teachers.

I heard former Navy staff trash Navy now on Facebook and in their new communities.

I think that just goes to show their true colors. I have switched jobs before and I don't go online trashing my former place of work. Geez, move on and be happy you have a new job. Principal didn't stand a chance. I hope they are happy now.

School teachers gossip like crazy and it is a very normalized behavior to gossip about everybody and everything.

Haven’t seen this so much at other schools honestly.

You mean former teachers. Current crop of teachers and staff is very professional.

+1 that’s why the Jon lovers don’t like them - they can’t gossip with them anymore. And their kids are now held to higher standards.

Current staff member at Navy Elementary here. There are SEVERAL unkind and unprofessional staff members working at the school. The entitlement and arrogance displayed by some staff members daily can be mind-numbing if you focus on it too long. The best part of my school day is spent actually teaching and enjoying my students.

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Anonymous wrote:For those wondering why the principal resigned, let’s clear things up. He wasn’t driven out by parents; he was forced out by the county after numerous complaints from both parents and staff about his incompetence. If anyone still believes he was a good principal, it’s probably because your child hasn’t had any issues that required you to contact the admin. Those of us who’ve had to deal with him firsthand know just how ineffective and dishonest he was.




Last year, when concerns were raised about his leadership, many of you defended him. Now, with the mass exodus of teachers and your kids feeling the effects, you’re seeing what some tried to warned about. The teachers left because they weren’t supported and were treated poorly.

And let’s not forget how some of you attacked “the sub” for passing around the letter about the principal. She was trying to shine a light on what was really going on, and she was right. Thank you, SUB, for having the courage to speak up when others stayed quiet.

Now, Navy’s stuck with a revolving door of unqualified replacements and no principal in sight. This is what happens when someone unfit for the job is allowed to run the school. Maybe if more people had listened last year, Navy wouldn’t be in this mess.

Hopefully, this serves as a wake-up call. Our kids deserve better.

Excuse me, how about if the original principal didn’t drive drunk into a house and flee the scene, we wouldn’t be in this mess. Please put blame where it really belongs.

Shall we go tar and feather him?

Seriously though, get Coch back from rehab and get him into Navy. I’m saying it in all seriousness. He was actually amazing. He was so responsive. Two kids in Navy. One graduated (thank god) and LOVED navy. We never had a complaint. But this year with my child in first, they have hired such incompetent new teachers (across the board.) Navy has gone downhill and it’s so sad because so many moved here for the school. I may end up putting my child in private school.

There is a teacher shortage it is national and yes even here at FCPS and Navy. Navy parents behave as if they are the only school going through this. You are not. It's county wide issues of staffing and FCPS have continuously made the issues worse not better.

When you lose a lot of teachers at once and a have poor reputation within the county, principals don’t get the luxury of being picky about teachers.

I heard former Navy staff trash Navy now on Facebook and in their new communities.

I think that just goes to show their true colors. I have switched jobs before and I don't go online trashing my former place of work. Geez, move on and be happy you have a new job. Principal didn't stand a chance. I hope they are happy now.

School teachers gossip like crazy and it is a very normalized behavior to gossip about everybody and everything.

Haven’t seen this so much at other schools honestly.

You mean former teachers. Current crop of teachers and staff is very professional.

+1 that’s why the Jon lovers don’t like them - they can’t gossip with them anymore. And their kids are now held to higher standards.

Current staff member at Navy Elementary here. There are SEVERAL unkind and unprofessional staff members working at the school. The entitlement and arrogance displayed by some staff members daily can be mind-numbing if you focus on it too long. The best part of my school day is spent actually teaching and enjoying my students.

Thank you for everything you do. It’s teachers like you who continue to make Navy a great school.

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Anonymous wrote:For those wondering why the principal resigned, let’s clear things up. He wasn’t driven out by parents; he was forced out by the county after numerous complaints from both parents and staff about his incompetence. If anyone still believes he was a good principal, it’s probably because your child hasn’t had any issues that required you to contact the admin. Those of us who’ve had to deal with him firsthand know just how ineffective and dishonest he was.




Last year, when concerns were raised about his leadership, many of you defended him. Now, with the mass exodus of teachers and your kids feeling the effects, you’re seeing what some tried to warned about. The teachers left because they weren’t supported and were treated poorly.

And let’s not forget how some of you attacked “the sub” for passing around the letter about the principal. She was trying to shine a light on what was really going on, and she was right. Thank you, SUB, for having the courage to speak up when others stayed quiet.

Now, Navy’s stuck with a revolving door of unqualified replacements and no principal in sight. This is what happens when someone unfit for the job is allowed to run the school. Maybe if more people had listened last year, Navy wouldn’t be in this mess.

Hopefully, this serves as a wake-up call. Our kids deserve better.

Excuse me, how about if the original principal didn’t drive drunk into a house and flee the scene, we wouldn’t be in this mess. Please put blame where it really belongs.

Shall we go tar and feather him?

Seriously though, get Coch back from rehab and get him into Navy. I’m saying it in all seriousness. He was actually amazing. He was so responsive. Two kids in Navy. One graduated (thank god) and LOVED navy. We never had a complaint. But this year with my child in first, they have hired such incompetent new teachers (across the board.) Navy has gone downhill and it’s so sad because so many moved here for the school. I may end up putting my child in private school.

There is a teacher shortage it is national and yes even here at FCPS and Navy. Navy parents behave as if they are the only school going through this. You are not. It's county wide issues of staffing and FCPS have continuously made the issues worse not better.

When you lose a lot of teachers at once and a have poor reputation within the county, principals don’t get the luxury of being picky about teachers.

I heard former Navy staff trash Navy now on Facebook and in their new communities.

I think that just goes to show their true colors. I have switched jobs before and I don't go online trashing my former place of work. Geez, move on and be happy you have a new job. Principal didn't stand a chance. I hope they are happy now.

School teachers gossip like crazy and it is a very normalized behavior to gossip about everybody and everything.

Haven’t seen this so much at other schools honestly.

You mean former teachers. Current crop of teachers and staff is very professional.

+1 that’s why the Jon lovers don’t like them - they can’t gossip with them anymore. And their kids are now held to higher standards.

Current staff member at Navy Elementary here. There are SEVERAL unkind and unprofessional staff members working at the school. The entitlement and arrogance displayed by some staff members daily can be mind-numbing if you focus on it too long. The best part of my school day is spent actually teaching and enjoying my students.

Thank you for everything you do. It’s teachers like you who continue to make Navy a great school.

I'll second that! You are a great teacher.

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Anonymous wrote:For those wondering why the principal resigned, let’s clear things up. He wasn’t driven out by parents; he was forced out by the county after numerous complaints from both parents and staff about his incompetence. If anyone still believes he was a good principal, it’s probably because your child hasn’t had any issues that required you to contact the admin. Those of us who’ve had to deal with him firsthand know just how ineffective and dishonest he was.




Last year, when concerns were raised about his leadership, many of you defended him. Now, with the mass exodus of teachers and your kids feeling the effects, you’re seeing what some tried to warned about. The teachers left because they weren’t supported and were treated poorly.

And let’s not forget how some of you attacked “the sub” for passing around the letter about the principal. She was trying to shine a light on what was really going on, and she was right. Thank you, SUB, for having the courage to speak up when others stayed quiet.

Now, Navy’s stuck with a revolving door of unqualified replacements and no principal in sight. This is what happens when someone unfit for the job is allowed to run the school. Maybe if more people had listened last year, Navy wouldn’t be in this mess.

Hopefully, this serves as a wake-up call. Our kids deserve better.

Excuse me, how about if the original principal didn’t drive drunk into a house and flee the scene, we wouldn’t be in this mess. Please put blame where it really belongs.

Shall we go tar and feather him?

Seriously though, get Coch back from rehab and get him into Navy. I’m saying it in all seriousness. He was actually amazing. He was so responsive. Two kids in Navy. One graduated (thank god) and LOVED navy. We never had a complaint. But this year with my child in first, they have hired such incompetent new teachers (across the board.) Navy has gone downhill and it’s so sad because so many moved here for the school. I may end up putting my child in private school.

There is a teacher shortage it is national and yes even here at FCPS and Navy. Navy parents behave as if they are the only school going through this. You are not. It's county wide issues of staffing and FCPS have continuously made the issues worse not better.

When you lose a lot of teachers at once and a have poor reputation within the county, principals don’t get the luxury of being picky about teachers.

I heard former Navy staff trash Navy now on Facebook and in their new communities.

I think that just goes to show their true colors. I have switched jobs before and I don't go online trashing my former place of work. Geez, move on and be happy you have a new job. Principal didn't stand a chance. I hope they are happy now.

School teachers gossip like crazy and it is a very normalized behavior to gossip about everybody and everything.

Haven’t seen this so much at other schools honestly.

You mean former teachers. Current crop of teachers and staff is very professional.

+1 that’s why the Jon lovers don’t like them - they can’t gossip with them anymore. And their kids are now held to higher standards.

Current staff member at Navy Elementary here. There are SEVERAL unkind and unprofessional staff members working at the school. The entitlement and arrogance displayed by some staff members daily can be mind-numbing if you focus on it too long. The best part of my school day is spent actually teaching and enjoying my students.

Are the unkind and unprofessional staff members leftover from the previous admin? Or are they the new hires? Curious on your take. Do you have any thoughts on the principal’s resignation? Thanks.

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Anonymous wrote:Its common at other schools for classes to have long term subs for the entire school year.
So parents were crying about a long term
sub for just one subject?

Two subjects, but yes.

I thought the problem was that there was no sub. The long term sub they had hired quit after like a week. And since then there has been no one filling that role. That’s why parents have been upset.

You don’t know the facts obviously. First sub quit after 3 weeks. She was never supposed to be there long term anyway. Then they had a 2nd sub (a warm body) for a week. No one could even understand her. Then they got a long term sub who was there for 6 weeks and left the class in shambles. While there, she loosely threw some SS materials at them but it was absolute chaos in her class. Not a drop of science was taught.

Ok great. No need to be snarky to me. The point remains that it’s not just parents being upset that there’s a long term sub, like PP tried to imply. I am on your side here.

I hope you don’t speak like this to the people you need on your side in order to fix the situation. They’re not going to feel very sympathetic to you if you’re being an a-hole.

I am a new poster. I want to add that last year there was a long term sub for one of the grades and she had lesson plans. All was well and she was well liked. This year what the previous person said was true. They didn't learn much and the class was chaotic. My kid was coming home with migraines daily and overly stressed by the behaviors of some really problematic kids. The problem was not the sub but the lack of plans and support and expectations. The buck stops with admin but the current situation does sadden me as we are all human and I feel like mistakes were made and I wish there was a different outcome.

Lack of plans was because the previous teacher who taught SS/Sci had left. There was no one to provide those plans to the sub to begin with. Whose responsibility was it to provide plans to the sub? Why wasn’t everyone working together on it from day 1?

They should have all come together to support the sub and make sure she had adequate plans. Instead our kids suffered. The team and admin did not work together here it seems.

Yes but this is even more out of the teachers personal time. Yes they need to work as a team, but it’s not good doing your lessons and someone else’s for an indefinite period of time.

Unfortunately that is what happens when there is a long term sub.

I would imagine that people are a lot more willing to help if the person shows some sort of initiative and willingness to do what they can on their own to pull plans together. If the sub was not doing that, I can see why a lot of resentment would be created. You can’t expect people to just do someone else’s job for them if they are straight up incompetent.

Exactly. Even so, Mr. Dyer gave the sub his slides and typed out detailed instructions for the children to follow on Schoology every, single morning. The sub had everything she needed. Hell, the parents even had everything they needed to teach the unit on Western African Empires. But instead of using the materials she was given, she would just let the kids sit there from 12-2:50 and do whatever they wanted. I cannot even begin to tell you some of the things that were happening in that class. I used to teach in a Title 1 school, and none of it would have been acceptable. Sub or no sub.

Why was Mr. Dyer providing the plans, when he is on the AAP team? Where are the gen Ed plans for SS/Sci?(this goes back to the vacancy issue created by last year’s Gen Ed SS/Sci teacher leaving). And please note his AAP class gets SS and Science daily. If the sub was just following his plans, that would mean our kids never would get taught science as Mr. Dyer doesn’t teach science. Again, who was overseeing the plans to ensure our kids got both SS and science?

OMG this is such a Navy AAP Mama response. Sweetheart, literally the only difference between what your kid and my kid learn is advanced math.

Different peer group though

Not at Navy, all the children come from very academically-oriented families.

+1. Different peer group my *ss. These kids are neighbors, are in sports and extracurriculars together, and many went to preschool together. We do a carpool with a kid in AAP and that child and mine talk about the same exact silly kid things. But I guess we know how PP thinks of Gen Ed kids. Clearly they are beneath her amazing genius child!

I mean, she thinks kids in general ed can't read, so there is no reasoning with her.

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Anonymous wrote:Its common at other schools for classes to have long term subs for the entire school year.
So parents were crying about a long term
sub for just one subject?

Two subjects, but yes.

I thought the problem was that there was no sub. The long term sub they had hired quit after like a week. And since then there has been no one filling that role. That’s why parents have been upset.

You don’t know the facts obviously. First sub quit after 3 weeks. She was never supposed to be there long term anyway. Then they had a 2nd sub (a warm body) for a week. No one could even understand her. Then they got a long term sub who was there for 6 weeks and left the class in shambles. While there, she loosely threw some SS materials at them but it was absolute chaos in her class. Not a drop of science was taught.

Ok great. No need to be snarky to me. The point remains that it’s not just parents being upset that there’s a long term sub, like PP tried to imply. I am on your side here.

I hope you don’t speak like this to the people you need on your side in order to fix the situation. They’re not going to feel very sympathetic to you if you’re being an a-hole.

I am a new poster. I want to add that last year there was a long term sub for one of the grades and she had lesson plans. All was well and she was well liked. This year what the previous person said was true. They didn't learn much and the class was chaotic. My kid was coming home with migraines daily and overly stressed by the behaviors of some really problematic kids. The problem was not the sub but the lack of plans and support and expectations. The buck stops with admin but the current situation does sadden me as we are all human and I feel like mistakes were made and I wish there was a different outcome.

Lack of plans was because the previous teacher who taught SS/Sci had left. There was no one to provide those plans to the sub to begin with. Whose responsibility was it to provide plans to the sub? Why wasn’t everyone working together on it from day 1?

They should have all come together to support the sub and make sure she had adequate plans. Instead our kids suffered. The team and admin did not work together here it seems.

Yes but this is even more out of the teachers personal time. Yes they need to work as a team, but it’s not good doing your lessons and someone else’s for an indefinite period of time.

Unfortunately that is what happens when there is a long term sub.

I would imagine that people are a lot more willing to help if the person shows some sort of initiative and willingness to do what they can on their own to pull plans together. If the sub was not doing that, I can see why a lot of resentment would be created. You can’t expect people to just do someone else’s job for them if they are straight up incompetent.

Exactly. Even so, Mr. Dyer gave the sub his slides and typed out detailed instructions for the children to follow on Schoology every, single morning. The sub had everything she needed. Hell, the parents even had everything they needed to teach the unit on Western African Empires. But instead of using the materials she was given, she would just let the kids sit there from 12-2:50 and do whatever they wanted. I cannot even begin to tell you some of the things that were happening in that class. I used to teach in a Title 1 school, and none of it would have been acceptable. Sub or no sub.

Why was Mr. Dyer providing the plans, when he is on the AAP team? Where are the gen Ed plans for SS/Sci?(this goes back to the vacancy issue created by last year’s Gen Ed SS/Sci teacher leaving). And please note his AAP class gets SS and Science daily. If the sub was just following his plans, that would mean our kids never would get taught science as Mr. Dyer doesn’t teach science. Again, who was overseeing the plans to ensure our kids got both SS and science?

OMG this is such a Navy AAP Mama response. Sweetheart, literally the only difference between what your kid and my kid learn is advanced math.

Different peer group though

Not at Navy, all the children come from very academically-oriented families.

+1. Different peer group my *ss. These kids are neighbors, are in sports and extracurriculars together, and many went to preschool together. We do a carpool with a kid in AAP and that child and mine talk about the same exact silly kid things. But I guess we know how PP thinks of Gen Ed kids. Clearly they are beneath her amazing genius child!

My came from crossfield.

Like I said, different peer group

Ah yes, Crossfield. Where like 70% of the population is wealthy and white and the 30% that isn't wealthy and white are wealthy and Indian. They definitely couldn't hack it in social studies where you have to read a textbook, LOL!

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Anonymous wrote:Its common at other schools for classes to have long term subs for the entire school year.
So parents were crying about a long term
sub for just one subject?

Two subjects, but yes.

I thought the problem was that there was no sub. The long term sub they had hired quit after like a week. And since then there has been no one filling that role. That’s why parents have been upset.

You don’t know the facts obviously. First sub quit after 3 weeks. She was never supposed to be there long term anyway. Then they had a 2nd sub (a warm body) for a week. No one could even understand her. Then they got a long term sub who was there for 6 weeks and left the class in shambles. While there, she loosely threw some SS materials at them but it was absolute chaos in her class. Not a drop of science was taught.

Ok great. No need to be snarky to me. The point remains that it’s not just parents being upset that there’s a long term sub, like PP tried to imply. I am on your side here.

I hope you don’t speak like this to the people you need on your side in order to fix the situation. They’re not going to feel very sympathetic to you if you’re being an a-hole.

I am a new poster. I want to add that last year there was a long term sub for one of the grades and she had lesson plans. All was well and she was well liked. This year what the previous person said was true. They didn't learn much and the class was chaotic. My kid was coming home with migraines daily and overly stressed by the behaviors of some really problematic kids. The problem was not the sub but the lack of plans and support and expectations. The buck stops with admin but the current situation does sadden me as we are all human and I feel like mistakes were made and I wish there was a different outcome.

Lack of plans was because the previous teacher who taught SS/Sci had left. There was no one to provide those plans to the sub to begin with. Whose responsibility was it to provide plans to the sub? Why wasn’t everyone working together on it from day 1?

They should have all come together to support the sub and make sure she had adequate plans. Instead our kids suffered. The team and admin did not work together here it seems.

Yes but this is even more out of the teachers personal time. Yes they need to work as a team, but it’s not good doing your lessons and someone else’s for an indefinite period of time.

Unfortunately that is what happens when there is a long term sub.

I would imagine that people are a lot more willing to help if the person shows some sort of initiative and willingness to do what they can on their own to pull plans together. If the sub was not doing that, I can see why a lot of resentment would be created. You can’t expect people to just do someone else’s job for them if they are straight up incompetent.

Exactly. Even so, Mr. Dyer gave the sub his slides and typed out detailed instructions for the children to follow on Schoology every, single morning. The sub had everything she needed. Hell, the parents even had everything they needed to teach the unit on Western African Empires. But instead of using the materials she was given, she would just let the kids sit there from 12-2:50 and do whatever they wanted. I cannot even begin to tell you some of the things that were happening in that class. I used to teach in a Title 1 school, and none of it would have been acceptable. Sub or no sub.

Why was Mr. Dyer providing the plans, when he is on the AAP team? Where are the gen Ed plans for SS/Sci?(this goes back to the vacancy issue created by last year’s Gen Ed SS/Sci teacher leaving). And please note his AAP class gets SS and Science daily. If the sub was just following his plans, that would mean our kids never would get taught science as Mr. Dyer doesn’t teach science. Again, who was overseeing the plans to ensure our kids got both SS and science?

OMG this is such a Navy AAP Mama response. Sweetheart, literally the only difference between what your kid and my kid learn is advanced math.

Different peer group though

Not at Navy, all the children come from very academically-oriented families.

+1. Different peer group my *ss. These kids are neighbors, are in sports and extracurriculars together, and many went to preschool together. We do a carpool with a kid in AAP and that child and mine talk about the same exact silly kid things. But I guess we know how PP thinks of Gen Ed kids. Clearly they are beneath her amazing genius child!

I mean, she thinks kids in general ed can't read, so there is no reasoning with her.

My Lord you’re sensitive. I said there are many kids with reading issues. That is a fact. Not all. And they need other ways of learning besides simply being presented with a textbook and vast amounts of reading and a cram session the night before a test. That’s why it didn’t work for the gen Ed to follow the AAP lesson plans. The 6th grade team very much understood this. It also didn’t work bc it meant that gen Ed didn’t actually get science. Presenting information in multiple ways is called differentiating my dear. Gen Ed teachers usually have to do more of that than AAP teachers.

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Anonymous wrote:Its common at other schools for classes to have long term subs for the entire school year.
So parents were crying about a long term
sub for just one subject?

Two subjects, but yes.

I thought the problem was that there was no sub. The long term sub they had hired quit after like a week. And since then there has been no one filling that role. That’s why parents have been upset.

You don’t know the facts obviously. First sub quit after 3 weeks. She was never supposed to be there long term anyway. Then they had a 2nd sub (a warm body) for a week. No one could even understand her. Then they got a long term sub who was there for 6 weeks and left the class in shambles. While there, she loosely threw some SS materials at them but it was absolute chaos in her class. Not a drop of science was taught.

Ok great. No need to be snarky to me. The point remains that it’s not just parents being upset that there’s a long term sub, like PP tried to imply. I am on your side here.

I hope you don’t speak like this to the people you need on your side in order to fix the situation. They’re not going to feel very sympathetic to you if you’re being an a-hole.

I am a new poster. I want to add that last year there was a long term sub for one of the grades and she had lesson plans. All was well and she was well liked. This year what the previous person said was true. They didn't learn much and the class was chaotic. My kid was coming home with migraines daily and overly stressed by the behaviors of some really problematic kids. The problem was not the sub but the lack of plans and support and expectations. The buck stops with admin but the current situation does sadden me as we are all human and I feel like mistakes were made and I wish there was a different outcome.

Lack of plans was because the previous teacher who taught SS/Sci had left. There was no one to provide those plans to the sub to begin with. Whose responsibility was it to provide plans to the sub? Why wasn’t everyone working together on it from day 1?

They should have all come together to support the sub and make sure she had adequate plans. Instead our kids suffered. The team and admin did not work together here it seems.

Yes but this is even more out of the teachers personal time. Yes they need to work as a team, but it’s not good doing your lessons and someone else’s for an indefinite period of time.

Unfortunately that is what happens when there is a long term sub.

I would imagine that people are a lot more willing to help if the person shows some sort of initiative and willingness to do what they can on their own to pull plans together. If the sub was not doing that, I can see why a lot of resentment would be created. You can’t expect people to just do someone else’s job for them if they are straight up incompetent.

Exactly. Even so, Mr. Dyer gave the sub his slides and typed out detailed instructions for the children to follow on Schoology every, single morning. The sub had everything she needed. Hell, the parents even had everything they needed to teach the unit on Western African Empires. But instead of using the materials she was given, she would just let the kids sit there from 12-2:50 and do whatever they wanted. I cannot even begin to tell you some of the things that were happening in that class. I used to teach in a Title 1 school, and none of it would have been acceptable. Sub or no sub.

Why was Mr. Dyer providing the plans, when he is on the AAP team? Where are the gen Ed plans for SS/Sci?(this goes back to the vacancy issue created by last year’s Gen Ed SS/Sci teacher leaving). And please note his AAP class gets SS and Science daily. If the sub was just following his plans, that would mean our kids never would get taught science as Mr. Dyer doesn’t teach science. Again, who was overseeing the plans to ensure our kids got both SS and science?

OMG this is such a Navy AAP Mama response. Sweetheart, literally the only difference between what your kid and my kid learn is advanced math.

Different peer group though

Not at Navy, all the children come from very academically-oriented families.

+1. Different peer group my *ss. These kids are neighbors, are in sports and extracurriculars together, and many went to preschool together. We do a carpool with a kid in AAP and that child and mine talk about the same exact silly kid things. But I guess we know how PP thinks of Gen Ed kids. Clearly they are beneath her amazing genius child!

I mean, she thinks kids in general ed can't read, so there is no reasoning with her.

My Lord you’re sensitive. I said there are many kids with reading issues. That is a fact. Not all. And they need other ways of learning besides simply being presented with a textbook and vast amounts of reading and a cram session the night before a test. That’s why it didn’t work for the gen Ed to follow the AAP lesson plans. The 6th grade team very much understood this. It also didn’t work bc it meant that gen Ed didn’t actually get science. Presenting information in multiple ways is called differentiating my dear. Gen Ed teachers usually have to do more of that than AAP teachers.

Where are you getting “many” from? Did you just make that up? You are in for a rude awakening in a few years. The gap between your kid and AAP and many others not in AAP is nowhere near as wide as you’d like to believe.

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Anonymous wrote:Its common at other schools for classes to have long term subs for the entire school year.
So parents were crying about a long term
sub for just one subject?

Two subjects, but yes.

I thought the problem was that there was no sub. The long term sub they had hired quit after like a week. And since then there has been no one filling that role. That’s why parents have been upset.

You don’t know the facts obviously. First sub quit after 3 weeks. She was never supposed to be there long term anyway. Then they had a 2nd sub (a warm body) for a week. No one could even understand her. Then they got a long term sub who was there for 6 weeks and left the class in shambles. While there, she loosely threw some SS materials at them but it was absolute chaos in her class. Not a drop of science was taught.

Ok great. No need to be snarky to me. The point remains that it’s not just parents being upset that there’s a long term sub, like PP tried to imply. I am on your side here.

I hope you don’t speak like this to the people you need on your side in order to fix the situation. They’re not going to feel very sympathetic to you if you’re being an a-hole.

I am a new poster. I want to add that last year there was a long term sub for one of the grades and she had lesson plans. All was well and she was well liked. This year what the previous person said was true. They didn't learn much and the class was chaotic. My kid was coming home with migraines daily and overly stressed by the behaviors of some really problematic kids. The problem was not the sub but the lack of plans and support and expectations. The buck stops with admin but the current situation does sadden me as we are all human and I feel like mistakes were made and I wish there was a different outcome.

Lack of plans was because the previous teacher who taught SS/Sci had left. There was no one to provide those plans to the sub to begin with. Whose responsibility was it to provide plans to the sub? Why wasn’t everyone working together on it from day 1?

They should have all come together to support the sub and make sure she had adequate plans. Instead our kids suffered. The team and admin did not work together here it seems.

Yes but this is even more out of the teachers personal time. Yes they need to work as a team, but it’s not good doing your lessons and someone else’s for an indefinite period of time.

Unfortunately that is what happens when there is a long term sub.

I would imagine that people are a lot more willing to help if the person shows some sort of initiative and willingness to do what they can on their own to pull plans together. If the sub was not doing that, I can see why a lot of resentment would be created. You can’t expect people to just do someone else’s job for them if they are straight up incompetent.

Exactly. Even so, Mr. Dyer gave the sub his slides and typed out detailed instructions for the children to follow on Schoology every, single morning. The sub had everything she needed. Hell, the parents even had everything they needed to teach the unit on Western African Empires. But instead of using the materials she was given, she would just let the kids sit there from 12-2:50 and do whatever they wanted. I cannot even begin to tell you some of the things that were happening in that class. I used to teach in a Title 1 school, and none of it would have been acceptable. Sub or no sub.

Why was Mr. Dyer providing the plans, when he is on the AAP team? Where are the gen Ed plans for SS/Sci?(this goes back to the vacancy issue created by last year’s Gen Ed SS/Sci teacher leaving). And please note his AAP class gets SS and Science daily. If the sub was just following his plans, that would mean our kids never would get taught science as Mr. Dyer doesn’t teach science. Again, who was overseeing the plans to ensure our kids got both SS and science?

OMG this is such a Navy AAP Mama response. Sweetheart, literally the only difference between what your kid and my kid learn is advanced math.

Different peer group though

Not at Navy, all the children come from very academically-oriented families.

+1. Different peer group my *ss. These kids are neighbors, are in sports and extracurriculars together, and many went to preschool together. We do a carpool with a kid in AAP and that child and mine talk about the same exact silly kid things. But I guess we know how PP thinks of Gen Ed kids. Clearly they are beneath her amazing genius child!

I mean, she thinks kids in general ed can't read, so there is no reasoning with her.

My Lord you’re sensitive. I said there are many kids with reading issues. That is a fact. Not all. And they need other ways of learning besides simply being presented with a textbook and vast amounts of reading and a cram session the night before a test. That’s why it didn’t work for the gen Ed to follow the AAP lesson plans. The 6th grade team very much understood this. It also didn’t work bc it meant that gen Ed didn’t actually get science. Presenting information in multiple ways is called differentiating my dear. Gen Ed teachers usually have to do more of that than AAP teachers.

Where are you getting “many” from? Did you just make that up? You are in for a rude awakening in a few years. The gap between your kid and AAP and many others not in AAP is nowhere near as wide as you’d like to believe.

You’ve completely missed the point of my post with your hurt feelings over semantics. I’ll rephrase then to “some.” Some kids in gen Ed have reading issues. And for many, nonfiction is harder than fiction. The kids that would have reading issues are not in AAP, they would be in gen Ed.

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Anonymous wrote:Its common at other schools for classes to have long term subs for the entire school year.
So parents were crying about a long term
sub for just one subject?

Two subjects, but yes.

I thought the problem was that there was no sub. The long term sub they had hired quit after like a week. And since then there has been no one filling that role. That’s why parents have been upset.

You don’t know the facts obviously. First sub quit after 3 weeks. She was never supposed to be there long term anyway. Then they had a 2nd sub (a warm body) for a week. No one could even understand her. Then they got a long term sub who was there for 6 weeks and left the class in shambles. While there, she loosely threw some SS materials at them but it was absolute chaos in her class. Not a drop of science was taught.

Ok great. No need to be snarky to me. The point remains that it’s not just parents being upset that there’s a long term sub, like PP tried to imply. I am on your side here.

I hope you don’t speak like this to the people you need on your side in order to fix the situation. They’re not going to feel very sympathetic to you if you’re being an a-hole.

I am a new poster. I want to add that last year there was a long term sub for one of the grades and she had lesson plans. All was well and she was well liked. This year what the previous person said was true. They didn't learn much and the class was chaotic. My kid was coming home with migraines daily and overly stressed by the behaviors of some really problematic kids. The problem was not the sub but the lack of plans and support and expectations. The buck stops with admin but the current situation does sadden me as we are all human and I feel like mistakes were made and I wish there was a different outcome.

Lack of plans was because the previous teacher who taught SS/Sci had left. There was no one to provide those plans to the sub to begin with. Whose responsibility was it to provide plans to the sub? Why wasn’t everyone working together on it from day 1?

They should have all come together to support the sub and make sure she had adequate plans. Instead our kids suffered. The team and admin did not work together here it seems.

Yes but this is even more out of the teachers personal time. Yes they need to work as a team, but it’s not good doing your lessons and someone else’s for an indefinite period of time.

Unfortunately that is what happens when there is a long term sub.

I would imagine that people are a lot more willing to help if the person shows some sort of initiative and willingness to do what they can on their own to pull plans together. If the sub was not doing that, I can see why a lot of resentment would be created. You can’t expect people to just do someone else’s job for them if they are straight up incompetent.

Exactly. Even so, Mr. Dyer gave the sub his slides and typed out detailed instructions for the children to follow on Schoology every, single morning. The sub had everything she needed. Hell, the parents even had everything they needed to teach the unit on Western African Empires. But instead of using the materials she was given, she would just let the kids sit there from 12-2:50 and do whatever they wanted. I cannot even begin to tell you some of the things that were happening in that class. I used to teach in a Title 1 school, and none of it would have been acceptable. Sub or no sub.

Why was Mr. Dyer providing the plans, when he is on the AAP team? Where are the gen Ed plans for SS/Sci?(this goes back to the vacancy issue created by last year’s Gen Ed SS/Sci teacher leaving). And please note his AAP class gets SS and Science daily. If the sub was just following his plans, that would mean our kids never would get taught science as Mr. Dyer doesn’t teach science. Again, who was overseeing the plans to ensure our kids got both SS and science?

OMG this is such a Navy AAP Mama response. Sweetheart, literally the only difference between what your kid and my kid learn is advanced math.

Different peer group though

Not at Navy, all the children come from very academically-oriented families.

+1. Different peer group my *ss. These kids are neighbors, are in sports and extracurriculars together, and many went to preschool together. We do a carpool with a kid in AAP and that child and mine talk about the same exact silly kid things. But I guess we know how PP thinks of Gen Ed kids. Clearly they are beneath her amazing genius child!

I mean, she thinks kids in general ed can't read, so there is no reasoning with her.

My Lord you’re sensitive. I said there are many kids with reading issues. That is a fact. Not all. And they need other ways of learning besides simply being presented with a textbook and vast amounts of reading and a cram session the night before a test. That’s why it didn’t work for the gen Ed to follow the AAP lesson plans. The 6th grade team very much understood this. It also didn’t work bc it meant that gen Ed didn’t actually get science. Presenting information in multiple ways is called differentiating my dear. Gen Ed teachers usually have to do more of that than AAP teachers.

Where are you getting “many” from? Did you just make that up? You are in for a rude awakening in a few years. The gap between your kid and AAP and many others not in AAP is nowhere near as wide as you’d like to believe.

I’m going to go out on a limb and assume you did not actually read the SS textbook passages that were handed out. If you had, you would probably agree with me. They are difficult to read even for strong readers.

[Anonymous]

Hey all. I'm Matt Dyer and I teach sixth grade at Navy. I know we all care about Navy and about our kids getting a great education. I know you are frustrated by the staffing issues, and the Navy teachers are too. I know you want your kids to get a great education, and the Navy teachers want the same thing.

First quarter conferences are coming up. Please bring your concerns to them and we will work very hard to address them. The school is making changes to improve the situation in sixth. The loss of 40% of our instructional staff and all of our guidance counselors was devastating. We lost many excellent teachers, and replacing them is very hard. The new people are working hard, but honestly it takes years and years to build all your teacher skills and classroom management skills. It's going to take time.

Let's not tear each other apart. We all want the same thing, and every student who comes through the doors of Navy is wonderful and deserving a great education. Every day in AAP and PBL we push kids and go beyond the FCPS curriculum and ask lots of them.

Do we make mistakes and have bad days? Sure we do. It's part of being human. But talk to me about it and I'll apologize and try hard to make things better. All Navy teachers will.

Mr. Simms-Smith has a big heart and wanted things at Navy to go well. For whatever reason, things didn't work out. I know he will be successful and continue to help people in his new job. I know the principal who replaces him will do the same. Instead of criticizing each other, let's work together and fix problems and make Navy a great elementary school.

If you would like to talk to me, my number at Navy is 703-262-7184. You'll get my voicemail during school hours, but I'll call you back. If you'd like to email, I'm at [e-mail]. I'm also in the neighborhood over on Duck Pond Court in Franklin Farm, usually out in the yard or sometimes walking around the pond, and I'd be happy to talk to you then. But we are NOT moving the ball forward and helping kids by anonymously saying mean things to each other here.

Let's work together and make the rest of the 2024-2025 school year great.

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Anonymous wrote:Its common at other schools for classes to have long term subs for the entire school year.
So parents were crying about a long term
sub for just one subject?

Two subjects, but yes.

I thought the problem was that there was no sub. The long term sub they had hired quit after like a week. And since then there has been no one filling that role. That’s why parents have been upset.

You don’t know the facts obviously. First sub quit after 3 weeks. She was never supposed to be there long term anyway. Then they had a 2nd sub (a warm body) for a week. No one could even understand her. Then they got a long term sub who was there for 6 weeks and left the class in shambles. While there, she loosely threw some SS materials at them but it was absolute chaos in her class. Not a drop of science was taught.

Ok great. No need to be snarky to me. The point remains that it’s not just parents being upset that there’s a long term sub, like PP tried to imply. I am on your side here.

I hope you don’t speak like this to the people you need on your side in order to fix the situation. They’re not going to feel very sympathetic to you if you’re being an a-hole.

I am a new poster. I want to add that last year there was a long term sub for one of the grades and she had lesson plans. All was well and she was well liked. This year what the previous person said was true. They didn't learn much and the class was chaotic. My kid was coming home with migraines daily and overly stressed by the behaviors of some really problematic kids. The problem was not the sub but the lack of plans and support and expectations. The buck stops with admin but the current situation does sadden me as we are all human and I feel like mistakes were made and I wish there was a different outcome.

Lack of plans was because the previous teacher who taught SS/Sci had left. There was no one to provide those plans to the sub to begin with. Whose responsibility was it to provide plans to the sub? Why wasn’t everyone working together on it from day 1?

They should have all come together to support the sub and make sure she had adequate plans. Instead our kids suffered. The team and admin did not work together here it seems.

Yes but this is even more out of the teachers personal time. Yes they need to work as a team, but it’s not good doing your lessons and someone else’s for an indefinite period of time.

Unfortunately that is what happens when there is a long term sub.

I would imagine that people are a lot more willing to help if the person shows some sort of initiative and willingness to do what they can on their own to pull plans together. If the sub was not doing that, I can see why a lot of resentment would be created. You can’t expect people to just do someone else’s job for them if they are straight up incompetent.

Exactly. Even so, Mr. Dyer gave the sub his slides and typed out detailed instructions for the children to follow on Schoology every, single morning. The sub had everything she needed. Hell, the parents even had everything they needed to teach the unit on Western African Empires. But instead of using the materials she was given, she would just let the kids sit there from 12-2:50 and do whatever they wanted. I cannot even begin to tell you some of the things that were happening in that class. I used to teach in a Title 1 school, and none of it would have been acceptable. Sub or no sub.

Why was Mr. Dyer providing the plans, when he is on the AAP team? Where are the gen Ed plans for SS/Sci?(this goes back to the vacancy issue created by last year’s Gen Ed SS/Sci teacher leaving). And please note his AAP class gets SS and Science daily. If the sub was just following his plans, that would mean our kids never would get taught science as Mr. Dyer doesn’t teach science. Again, who was overseeing the plans to ensure our kids got both SS and science?

OMG this is such a Navy AAP Mama response. Sweetheart, literally the only difference between what your kid and my kid learn is advanced math.

Different peer group though

Not at Navy, all the children come from very academically-oriented families.

+1. Different peer group my *ss. These kids are neighbors, are in sports and extracurriculars together, and many went to preschool together. We do a carpool with a kid in AAP and that child and mine talk about the same exact silly kid things. But I guess we know how PP thinks of Gen Ed kids. Clearly they are beneath her amazing genius child!

I mean, she thinks kids in general ed can't read, so there is no reasoning with her.

My Lord you’re sensitive. I said there are many kids with reading issues. That is a fact. Not all. And they need other ways of learning besides simply being presented with a textbook and vast amounts of reading and a cram session the night before a test. That’s why it didn’t work for the gen Ed to follow the AAP lesson plans. The 6th grade team very much understood this. It also didn’t work bc it meant that gen Ed didn’t actually get science. Presenting information in multiple ways is called differentiating my dear. Gen Ed teachers usually have to do more of that than AAP teachers.

AAP social studies sounds awful the way you describe it!! Normal students DO get science, I don't know what you are going on and on about. You sound insane.