Connecticut Avenue bike lane officially dead

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone currently biking on Conn Ave today is not a typical cyclist. I've been biking nearly daily in DC for decades and am still terrified whenever I have to take Conn. The vast majority of cyclists are too scared to bike there. When there are bike lanes - which will apparently not be anytime soon - there will be many more people able to bike that way.

Bike lanes on Conn Ave are the ultimate in entitlement. Inconveniencing and slowing down traffic for tens of thousands for the benefit of a few hundred.

It's absolutely true that there are very few cyclists who use Connecticut - BECAUSE THERE ARE NO BIKE LANES! The only way to increase cycling is to make cycling safe. In the Netherlands, there is a great cycling infrastructure and cycling is widespread.

Of course, DC is not going to turn into the Netherlands, you say, because we're a car culture. True. As was Netherlands in 1971, when more than 400 children were killed in traffic accidents. It took a lot of work and many years to build safe cities there, as it will here. We should start now.

https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2015/may/05/amsterdam-bicycle-capital-world-transport-cycling-kindermoord

Then move to the Netherlands. And when you're too feeble to ride your bike anymore you can ask the government to euthanize you.

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Or just move downtown where there are plenty of bike lanes and stop trying to screw up livable family neighborhoods.

What? I live in a “family neighborhood” (or at least that’s what I think you have in mind) and bike lanes are essential to protecting my children when they travel back and forth to school and activities. This is their only way to get around because they can’t drive, the bus network is pathetic, their parents are not privileged enough to have the time or the money to drive them around everywhere, and the notion of them taking rides when random strangers driving ride-shares doesn’t really appeal. How would you like them to get around? Or would you prefer them to just sit at home and pick up apart your obnoxiously idiotic claims?

They can walk.

It takes three times as long to walk as to bike, which would mean they could do very little in the way of activities.

Where do you live and where are these activities on Connecticut Avenue that they can't get to unless on a bike? How old are your kids?

Would you like a social security number as well?

The point is not hard to grasp, unless of course you know nothing about life in DC or are suffering from the cognitive dissonance associated with espousing policies that are deeply detrimental to the quality of life enjoyed by DC residents.

There is no way my kids would have been able to participate in the breadth of activities they’ve enjoyed across DC if they didn’t have bikes. We are somewhat cavalier perhaps in letting them ride on streets without protected bike lanes. But many other parents are not and I get that.

You didn't answer the question because you are probably single and have no idea what life is like with children in the k-12 range.

You’re a creep. That is why no one is answering your questions.

I didn't ask a question. Just a new person who noticed that you didn't answer a question and still haven't answered the question because you are out of touch and don't what it's like to have the demands of a family. You want to impose your selfish view on everyone just so that you can ride your bike -- and bypass other public transportations options -- to go drink your beer or latte. Something that those of us with kids are far too busy to do. And yet here you are posting on a forum filled with people with kids who just don't have time for your nonsense. If people need to get to work, there are existing bike options if they so choose. The demand isn't there and never was there.

Family guy here, not the one you have been answering with. Our kids ride, we ride, we would ride more if it were safer, which is why we support more bike lanes on Connecticut Avenue and across the city and region. We ride to kids sporting events - soccer and baseball, we ride to their music classes (no, not a stand-up Bass) and art classes. We prefer riding to any other mode because of the flexibility and exercise. Our familiy riding takes two cars off the road and frees up parking spots for those who have no other option but to drive, so drivers should be happy about our choices and support our call for a safer path for us.

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Anti-bike people are short-sighted idiots, to put it nicely.

Probably no better advocates against bike lanes and the bike lane advocates. Please keep doing more of what you’re doing. There will likely be several more policy victories, like removing already installed bike lanes.

Making a city activitely more hostile to bikers and pedestrians is not a “victory.” It’s actually pathetic.

They are making it more safe for pedestrians. Pedestrian interests and cyclist interests are not the same.

DP: I agree that they are not the same. This plan is going to push more bikes onto sidewalks, negatively impacting the pedestrian experience

This. I hate riding on sidewalks and always feel sheepish about it. No more.

Just resist the urge to ride like a complete a-hole and it will be just fine.

But if you insist on tearing down the sidewalk like a spandex clad cheetah screeching at everyone in “your” way, then you’re going to have problems.

You may not believe this, but the people wearing spandex are not riding on connecticut avenue, they are riding out on country roads or rock creek park. the people who would ride on urban bike lanes are wearing the same thing you wear.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone currently biking on Conn Ave today is not a typical cyclist. I've been biking nearly daily in DC for decades and am still terrified whenever I have to take Conn. The vast majority of cyclists are too scared to bike there. When there are bike lanes - which will apparently not be anytime soon - there will be many more people able to bike that way.

Bike lanes on Conn Ave are the ultimate in entitlement. Inconveniencing and slowing down traffic for tens of thousands for the benefit of a few hundred.

It's absolutely true that there are very few cyclists who use Connecticut - BECAUSE THERE ARE NO BIKE LANES! The only way to increase cycling is to make cycling safe. In the Netherlands, there is a great cycling infrastructure and cycling is widespread.

Of course, DC is not going to turn into the Netherlands, you say, because we're a car culture. True. As was Netherlands in 1971, when more than 400 children were killed in traffic accidents. It took a lot of work and many years to build safe cities there, as it will here. We should start now.

https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2015/may/05/amsterdam-bicycle-capital-world-transport-cycling-kindermoord

Then move to the Netherlands. And when you're too feeble to ride your bike anymore you can ask the government to euthanize you.

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Or just move downtown where there are plenty of bike lanes and stop trying to screw up livable family neighborhoods.

What? I live in a “family neighborhood” (or at least that’s what I think you have in mind) and bike lanes are essential to protecting my children when they travel back and forth to school and activities. This is their only way to get around because they can’t drive, the bus network is pathetic, their parents are not privileged enough to have the time or the money to drive them around everywhere, and the notion of them taking rides when random strangers driving ride-shares doesn’t really appeal. How would you like them to get around? Or would you prefer them to just sit at home and pick up apart your obnoxiously idiotic claims?

They can walk.

It takes three times as long to walk as to bike, which would mean they could do very little in the way of activities.

Where do you live and where are these activities on Connecticut Avenue that they can't get to unless on a bike? How old are your kids?

Would you like a social security number as well?

The point is not hard to grasp, unless of course you know nothing about life in DC or are suffering from the cognitive dissonance associated with espousing policies that are deeply detrimental to the quality of life enjoyed by DC residents.

There is no way my kids would have been able to participate in the breadth of activities they’ve enjoyed across DC if they didn’t have bikes. We are somewhat cavalier perhaps in letting them ride on streets without protected bike lanes. But many other parents are not and I get that.

You didn't answer the question because you are probably single and have no idea what life is like with children in the k-12 range.

You’re a creep. That is why no one is answering your questions.

I didn't ask a question. Just a new person who noticed that you didn't answer a question and still haven't answered the question because you are out of touch and don't what it's like to have the demands of a family. You want to impose your selfish view on everyone just so that you can ride your bike -- and bypass other public transportations options -- to go drink your beer or latte. Something that those of us with kids are far too busy to do. And yet here you are posting on a forum filled with people with kids who just don't have time for your nonsense. If people need to get to work, there are existing bike options if they so choose. The demand isn't there and never was there.

Family guy here, not the one you have been answering with. Our kids ride, we ride, we would ride more if it were safer, which is why we support more bike lanes on Connecticut Avenue and across the city and region. We ride to kids sporting events - soccer and baseball, we ride to their music classes (no, not a stand-up Bass) and art classes. We prefer riding to any other mode because of the flexibility and exercise. Our familiy riding takes two cars off the road and frees up parking spots for those who have no other option but to drive, so drivers should be happy about our choices and support our call for a safer path for us.

The problem with your logic is that in no way would these bike lanes ever be “safe”. A few inches of concrete are not going to stop a car traveling at 25+ MPH, let alone the many trucks that use this road. The city should not be supporting a project that would induce hundreds/thousands of new riders on this road. Anyone who allowed their kid to ride in these bike lanes needs their heads examined.

Yes, I agree, drivers operate their vehicles in an unsafe manner. But wait, I thought the bike lanes were going to make CT Ave congested and block traffic. If that is the case, we don't need to worry about speeding cars and trucks, right? Which is it, because it can't be both.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone currently biking on Conn Ave today is not a typical cyclist. I've been biking nearly daily in DC for decades and am still terrified whenever I have to take Conn. The vast majority of cyclists are too scared to bike there. When there are bike lanes - which will apparently not be anytime soon - there will be many more people able to bike that way.

Bike lanes on Conn Ave are the ultimate in entitlement. Inconveniencing and slowing down traffic for tens of thousands for the benefit of a few hundred.

It's absolutely true that there are very few cyclists who use Connecticut - BECAUSE THERE ARE NO BIKE LANES! The only way to increase cycling is to make cycling safe. In the Netherlands, there is a great cycling infrastructure and cycling is widespread.

Of course, DC is not going to turn into the Netherlands, you say, because we're a car culture. True. As was Netherlands in 1971, when more than 400 children were killed in traffic accidents. It took a lot of work and many years to build safe cities there, as it will here. We should start now.

https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2015/may/05/amsterdam-bicycle-capital-world-transport-cycling-kindermoord

Then move to the Netherlands. And when you're too feeble to ride your bike anymore you can ask the government to euthanize you.

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Or just move downtown where there are plenty of bike lanes and stop trying to screw up livable family neighborhoods.

What? I live in a “family neighborhood” (or at least that’s what I think you have in mind) and bike lanes are essential to protecting my children when they travel back and forth to school and activities. This is their only way to get around because they can’t drive, the bus network is pathetic, their parents are not privileged enough to have the time or the money to drive them around everywhere, and the notion of them taking rides when random strangers driving ride-shares doesn’t really appeal. How would you like them to get around? Or would you prefer them to just sit at home and pick up apart your obnoxiously idiotic claims?

They can walk.

It takes three times as long to walk as to bike, which would mean they could do very little in the way of activities.

Where do you live and where are these activities on Connecticut Avenue that they can't get to unless on a bike? How old are your kids?

Would you like a social security number as well?

The point is not hard to grasp, unless of course you know nothing about life in DC or are suffering from the cognitive dissonance associated with espousing policies that are deeply detrimental to the quality of life enjoyed by DC residents.

There is no way my kids would have been able to participate in the breadth of activities they’ve enjoyed across DC if they didn’t have bikes. We are somewhat cavalier perhaps in letting them ride on streets without protected bike lanes. But many other parents are not and I get that.

Guess you should get a car then. Your kids could do even more that way.

You do realize that most parents in this city work, do you not? How the kids supposed to get around when their parents are at work? Do you really want them out there jacking cars?

Yeah, carjacking kids would have stopped if only they had bikes to ride instead. On that note, carjackings are down this year in some wards by as much 80 percent.

But if you had kids, you would know how school commuting works. The kids are at school for most of the work day. In Ward 3, where you are targeting, kids either go to their local walkable neighborhood public school or they go to the private schools. In both instances, there are a bevy of extracurricular programs that last until the end of the school day so parents can pick them up after work if needed. And WFH has made it easier to have the flexibility to pick up kids immediately after school.

How very sad for you. Here in W6 the kids walk or bike home themselves after school. Y’all are so retrograde.

Kids could bike to ward 3 if they wanted to, but they don't because a/they live close enough to walk and thus no need to ever go on CT Ave. Or B, they are driven by parents who drop them off on their way to work downtown, or by parents who don't work or by other caregivers. The point is the demand for bikes isn't coming from this crowd. Hardly anybody bikes their kids to school even when they live within walking distance because it's not convenient. And that has nothing to do with availability of bike lanes.

I live off Connecticut and my kids go to Eaton. We absolutely would bike to school if it were safe. It's not. At all. I know plenty of families who feel the same. And there are a bunch of families who bike and scooter to Eaton each day, but they don't have to do it down Connecticut or Wisconsin.

Kids have been walking the .5 mile down Macomb Street to Eaton just fine for 114 years. The school is bursting at the seems. So it appears to be working just fine. Now, if you put those bike lanes in you get 2000 more cars/day whizzing by little Larla. Now THAT would be dangerous.

Narrator: the lift of parking restrictions on Connecticut Avenue referenced by the acting director on Thursday means that there will only be two lanes for cars to pass through intersections at ALL times. So that 2000 more cars you are cautioning is going to happen now, but without an alternative for bikers. That means you will have one lane for parked cars, one lane for left turning cars, and cars backed up behind a cyclist in the middle lane.

Bowser's DC.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone currently biking on Conn Ave today is not a typical cyclist. I've been biking nearly daily in DC for decades and am still terrified whenever I have to take Conn. The vast majority of cyclists are too scared to bike there. When there are bike lanes - which will apparently not be anytime soon - there will be many more people able to bike that way.

Bike lanes on Conn Ave are the ultimate in entitlement. Inconveniencing and slowing down traffic for tens of thousands for the benefit of a few hundred.

It's absolutely true that there are very few cyclists who use Connecticut - BECAUSE THERE ARE NO BIKE LANES! The only way to increase cycling is to make cycling safe. In the Netherlands, there is a great cycling infrastructure and cycling is widespread.

Of course, DC is not going to turn into the Netherlands, you say, because we're a car culture. True. As was Netherlands in 1971, when more than 400 children were killed in traffic accidents. It took a lot of work and many years to build safe cities there, as it will here. We should start now.

https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2015/may/05/amsterdam-bicycle-capital-world-transport-cycling-kindermoord

Then move to the Netherlands. And when you're too feeble to ride your bike anymore you can ask the government to euthanize you.

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Or just move downtown where there are plenty of bike lanes and stop trying to screw up livable family neighborhoods.

What? I live in a “family neighborhood” (or at least that’s what I think you have in mind) and bike lanes are essential to protecting my children when they travel back and forth to school and activities. This is their only way to get around because they can’t drive, the bus network is pathetic, their parents are not privileged enough to have the time or the money to drive them around everywhere, and the notion of them taking rides when random strangers driving ride-shares doesn’t really appeal. How would you like them to get around? Or would you prefer them to just sit at home and pick up apart your obnoxiously idiotic claims?

They can walk.

It takes three times as long to walk as to bike, which would mean they could do very little in the way of activities.

Where do you live and where are these activities on Connecticut Avenue that they can't get to unless on a bike? How old are your kids?

Would you like a social security number as well?

The point is not hard to grasp, unless of course you know nothing about life in DC or are suffering from the cognitive dissonance associated with espousing policies that are deeply detrimental to the quality of life enjoyed by DC residents.

There is no way my kids would have been able to participate in the breadth of activities they’ve enjoyed across DC if they didn’t have bikes. We are somewhat cavalier perhaps in letting them ride on streets without protected bike lanes. But many other parents are not and I get that.

You didn't answer the question because you are probably single and have no idea what life is like with children in the k-12 range.

You’re a creep. That is why no one is answering your questions.

I didn't ask a question. Just a new person who noticed that you didn't answer a question and still haven't answered the question because you are out of touch and don't what it's like to have the demands of a family. You want to impose your selfish view on everyone just so that you can ride your bike -- and bypass other public transportations options -- to go drink your beer or latte. Something that those of us with kids are far too busy to do. And yet here you are posting on a forum filled with people with kids who just don't have time for your nonsense. If people need to get to work, there are existing bike options if they so choose. The demand isn't there and never was there.

Family guy here, not the one you have been answering with. Our kids ride, we ride, we would ride more if it were safer, which is why we support more bike lanes on Connecticut Avenue and across the city and region. We ride to kids sporting events - soccer and baseball, we ride to their music classes (no, not a stand-up Bass) and art classes. We prefer riding to any other mode because of the flexibility and exercise. Our familiy riding takes two cars off the road and frees up parking spots for those who have no other option but to drive, so drivers should be happy about our choices and support our call for a safer path for us.

The problem with your logic is that in no way would these bike lanes ever be “safe”. A few inches of concrete are not going to stop a car traveling at 25+ MPH, let alone the many trucks that use this road. The city should not be supporting a project that would induce hundreds/thousands of new riders on this road. Anyone who allowed their kid to ride in these bike lanes needs their heads examined.

This is the unfortunate reality of option C and why it wasn't a good solution. We know far too much about how to do things right to do things wrong like this. If you want kids and casuals to ride on CT, you would need a track with at least 3 feet of separation from moving vehicles. That would mean at least one lane lost, and that just wasn't going to happen any time soon.

CT should be the capstone of W3 biking, not the foundation stone. Build out safe routes to schools and parks first and build a critical mass. Then you can take on the MD commuters.

And yet, now we have TWO lanes lost to parking, with no bike facility. So, yay, or something.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone currently biking on Conn Ave today is not a typical cyclist. I've been biking nearly daily in DC for decades and am still terrified whenever I have to take Conn. The vast majority of cyclists are too scared to bike there. When there are bike lanes - which will apparently not be anytime soon - there will be many more people able to bike that way.

Bike lanes on Conn Ave are the ultimate in entitlement. Inconveniencing and slowing down traffic for tens of thousands for the benefit of a few hundred.

It's absolutely true that there are very few cyclists who use Connecticut - BECAUSE THERE ARE NO BIKE LANES! The only way to increase cycling is to make cycling safe. In the Netherlands, there is a great cycling infrastructure and cycling is widespread.

Of course, DC is not going to turn into the Netherlands, you say, because we're a car culture. True. As was Netherlands in 1971, when more than 400 children were killed in traffic accidents. It took a lot of work and many years to build safe cities there, as it will here. We should start now.

https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2015/may/05/amsterdam-bicycle-capital-world-transport-cycling-kindermoord

Then move to the Netherlands. And when you're too feeble to ride your bike anymore you can ask the government to euthanize you.

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Or just move downtown where there are plenty of bike lanes and stop trying to screw up livable family neighborhoods.

What? I live in a “family neighborhood” (or at least that’s what I think you have in mind) and bike lanes are essential to protecting my children when they travel back and forth to school and activities. This is their only way to get around because they can’t drive, the bus network is pathetic, their parents are not privileged enough to have the time or the money to drive them around everywhere, and the notion of them taking rides when random strangers driving ride-shares doesn’t really appeal. How would you like them to get around? Or would you prefer them to just sit at home and pick up apart your obnoxiously idiotic claims?

They can walk.

It takes three times as long to walk as to bike, which would mean they could do very little in the way of activities.

Where do you live and where are these activities on Connecticut Avenue that they can't get to unless on a bike? How old are your kids?

Would you like a social security number as well?

The point is not hard to grasp, unless of course you know nothing about life in DC or are suffering from the cognitive dissonance associated with espousing policies that are deeply detrimental to the quality of life enjoyed by DC residents.

There is no way my kids would have been able to participate in the breadth of activities they’ve enjoyed across DC if they didn’t have bikes. We are somewhat cavalier perhaps in letting them ride on streets without protected bike lanes. But many other parents are not and I get that.

You didn't answer the question because you are probably single and have no idea what life is like with children in the k-12 range.

You’re a creep. That is why no one is answering your questions.

I didn't ask a question. Just a new person who noticed that you didn't answer a question and still haven't answered the question because you are out of touch and don't what it's like to have the demands of a family. You want to impose your selfish view on everyone just so that you can ride your bike -- and bypass other public transportations options -- to go drink your beer or latte. Something that those of us with kids are far too busy to do. And yet here you are posting on a forum filled with people with kids who just don't have time for your nonsense. If people need to get to work, there are existing bike options if they so choose. The demand isn't there and never was there.

Family guy here, not the one you have been answering with. Our kids ride, we ride, we would ride more if it were safer, which is why we support more bike lanes on Connecticut Avenue and across the city and region. We ride to kids sporting events - soccer and baseball, we ride to their music classes (no, not a stand-up Bass) and art classes. We prefer riding to any other mode because of the flexibility and exercise. Our familiy riding takes two cars off the road and frees up parking spots for those who have no other option but to drive, so drivers should be happy about our choices and support our call for a safer path for us.

We should be glad you put your kids' lives in danger?

I drive and I assume sooner or later I will be in an accident because statistics. Just like I assume that, because I live in a city, I will be mugged sooner or later.

Bicyclists should assume they will get hit by a car sooner or later for the same reason.

And yet, there are design solutions to basically prevent that from happening, but it takes leadership to make that happen. Bowser is clearly not the leader that people like Michael Bloomberg or Anne Hildago are. Not even close, and yet, she *could& have been.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone currently biking on Conn Ave today is not a typical cyclist. I've been biking nearly daily in DC for decades and am still terrified whenever I have to take Conn. The vast majority of cyclists are too scared to bike there. When there are bike lanes - which will apparently not be anytime soon - there will be many more people able to bike that way.

Bike lanes on Conn Ave are the ultimate in entitlement. Inconveniencing and slowing down traffic for tens of thousands for the benefit of a few hundred.

It's absolutely true that there are very few cyclists who use Connecticut - BECAUSE THERE ARE NO BIKE LANES! The only way to increase cycling is to make cycling safe. In the Netherlands, there is a great cycling infrastructure and cycling is widespread.

Of course, DC is not going to turn into the Netherlands, you say, because we're a car culture. True. As was Netherlands in 1971, when more than 400 children were killed in traffic accidents. It took a lot of work and many years to build safe cities there, as it will here. We should start now.

https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2015/may/05/amsterdam-bicycle-capital-world-transport-cycling-kindermoord

Then move to the Netherlands. And when you're too feeble to ride your bike anymore you can ask the government to euthanize you.

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Or just move downtown where there are plenty of bike lanes and stop trying to screw up livable family neighborhoods.

What? I live in a “family neighborhood” (or at least that’s what I think you have in mind) and bike lanes are essential to protecting my children when they travel back and forth to school and activities. This is their only way to get around because they can’t drive, the bus network is pathetic, their parents are not privileged enough to have the time or the money to drive them around everywhere, and the notion of them taking rides when random strangers driving ride-shares doesn’t really appeal. How would you like them to get around? Or would you prefer them to just sit at home and pick up apart your obnoxiously idiotic claims?

They can walk.

It takes three times as long to walk as to bike, which would mean they could do very little in the way of activities.

Where do you live and where are these activities on Connecticut Avenue that they can't get to unless on a bike? How old are your kids?

Would you like a social security number as well?

The point is not hard to grasp, unless of course you know nothing about life in DC or are suffering from the cognitive dissonance associated with espousing policies that are deeply detrimental to the quality of life enjoyed by DC residents.

There is no way my kids would have been able to participate in the breadth of activities they’ve enjoyed across DC if they didn’t have bikes. We are somewhat cavalier perhaps in letting them ride on streets without protected bike lanes. But many other parents are not and I get that.

Guess you should get a car then. Your kids could do even more that way.

You do realize that most parents in this city work, do you not? How the kids supposed to get around when their parents are at work? Do you really want them out there jacking cars?

Yeah, carjacking kids would have stopped if only they had bikes to ride instead. On that note, carjackings are down this year in some wards by as much 80 percent.

But if you had kids, you would know how school commuting works. The kids are at school for most of the work day. In Ward 3, where you are targeting, kids either go to their local walkable neighborhood public school or they go to the private schools. In both instances, there are a bevy of extracurricular programs that last until the end of the school day so parents can pick them up after work if needed. And WFH has made it easier to have the flexibility to pick up kids immediately after school.

How very sad for you. Here in W6 the kids walk or bike home themselves after school. Y’all are so retrograde.

Kids could bike to ward 3 if they wanted to, but they don't because a/they live close enough to walk and thus no need to ever go on CT Ave. Or B, they are driven by parents who drop them off on their way to work downtown, or by parents who don't work or by other caregivers. The point is the demand for bikes isn't coming from this crowd. Hardly anybody bikes their kids to school even when they live within walking distance because it's not convenient. And that has nothing to do with availability of bike lanes.

I live off Connecticut and my kids go to Eaton. We absolutely would bike to school if it were safe. It's not. At all. I know plenty of families who feel the same. And there are a bunch of families who bike and scooter to Eaton each day, but they don't have to do it down Connecticut or Wisconsin.

Kids have been walking the .5 mile down Macomb Street to Eaton just fine for 114 years. The school is bursting at the seems. So it appears to be working just fine. Now, if you put those bike lanes in you get 2000 more cars/day whizzing by little Larla. Now THAT would be dangerous.

Narrator: the lift of parking restrictions on Connecticut Avenue referenced by the acting director on Thursday means that there will only be two lanes for cars to pass through intersections at ALL times. So that 2000 more cars you are cautioning is going to happen now, but without an alternative for bikers. That means you will have one lane for parked cars, one lane for left turning cars, and cars backed up behind a cyclist in the middle lane.

Bowser's DC.

Bikers have no alternative. Except Metro rail, Metro bus, walking, or ride share.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone currently biking on Conn Ave today is not a typical cyclist. I've been biking nearly daily in DC for decades and am still terrified whenever I have to take Conn. The vast majority of cyclists are too scared to bike there. When there are bike lanes - which will apparently not be anytime soon - there will be many more people able to bike that way.

Bike lanes on Conn Ave are the ultimate in entitlement. Inconveniencing and slowing down traffic for tens of thousands for the benefit of a few hundred.

It's absolutely true that there are very few cyclists who use Connecticut - BECAUSE THERE ARE NO BIKE LANES! The only way to increase cycling is to make cycling safe. In the Netherlands, there is a great cycling infrastructure and cycling is widespread.

Of course, DC is not going to turn into the Netherlands, you say, because we're a car culture. True. As was Netherlands in 1971, when more than 400 children were killed in traffic accidents. It took a lot of work and many years to build safe cities there, as it will here. We should start now.

https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2015/may/05/amsterdam-bicycle-capital-world-transport-cycling-kindermoord

Then move to the Netherlands. And when you're too feeble to ride your bike anymore you can ask the government to euthanize you.

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Or just move downtown where there are plenty of bike lanes and stop trying to screw up livable family neighborhoods.

What? I live in a “family neighborhood” (or at least that’s what I think you have in mind) and bike lanes are essential to protecting my children when they travel back and forth to school and activities. This is their only way to get around because they can’t drive, the bus network is pathetic, their parents are not privileged enough to have the time or the money to drive them around everywhere, and the notion of them taking rides when random strangers driving ride-shares doesn’t really appeal. How would you like them to get around? Or would you prefer them to just sit at home and pick up apart your obnoxiously idiotic claims?

They can walk.

It takes three times as long to walk as to bike, which would mean they could do very little in the way of activities.

Where do you live and where are these activities on Connecticut Avenue that they can't get to unless on a bike? How old are your kids?

Would you like a social security number as well?

The point is not hard to grasp, unless of course you know nothing about life in DC or are suffering from the cognitive dissonance associated with espousing policies that are deeply detrimental to the quality of life enjoyed by DC residents.

There is no way my kids would have been able to participate in the breadth of activities they’ve enjoyed across DC if they didn’t have bikes. We are somewhat cavalier perhaps in letting them ride on streets without protected bike lanes. But many other parents are not and I get that.

Guess you should get a car then. Your kids could do even more that way.

You do realize that most parents in this city work, do you not? How the kids supposed to get around when their parents are at work? Do you really want them out there jacking cars?

Yeah, carjacking kids would have stopped if only they had bikes to ride instead. On that note, carjackings are down this year in some wards by as much 80 percent.

But if you had kids, you would know how school commuting works. The kids are at school for most of the work day. In Ward 3, where you are targeting, kids either go to their local walkable neighborhood public school or they go to the private schools. In both instances, there are a bevy of extracurricular programs that last until the end of the school day so parents can pick them up after work if needed. And WFH has made it easier to have the flexibility to pick up kids immediately after school.

How very sad for you. Here in W6 the kids walk or bike home themselves after school. Y’all are so retrograde.

Kids could bike to ward 3 if they wanted to, but they don't because a/they live close enough to walk and thus no need to ever go on CT Ave. Or B, they are driven by parents who drop them off on their way to work downtown, or by parents who don't work or by other caregivers. The point is the demand for bikes isn't coming from this crowd. Hardly anybody bikes their kids to school even when they live within walking distance because it's not convenient. And that has nothing to do with availability of bike lanes.

I live off Connecticut and my kids go to Eaton. We absolutely would bike to school if it were safe. It's not. At all. I know plenty of families who feel the same. And there are a bunch of families who bike and scooter to Eaton each day, but they don't have to do it down Connecticut or Wisconsin.

Kids have been walking the .5 mile down Macomb Street to Eaton just fine for 114 years. The school is bursting at the seems. So it appears to be working just fine. Now, if you put those bike lanes in you get 2000 more cars/day whizzing by little Larla. Now THAT would be dangerous.

Narrator: the lift of parking restrictions on Connecticut Avenue referenced by the acting director on Thursday means that there will only be two lanes for cars to pass through intersections at ALL times. So that 2000 more cars you are cautioning is going to happen now, but without an alternative for bikers. That means you will have one lane for parked cars, one lane for left turning cars, and cars backed up behind a cyclist in the middle lane.

Bowser's DC.

Bikers have no alternative. Except Metro rail, Metro bus, walking, or ride share.

That sounds like cyclists have a lot of alternatives. Why are there bike racks on buses anyway?

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone currently biking on Conn Ave today is not a typical cyclist. I've been biking nearly daily in DC for decades and am still terrified whenever I have to take Conn. The vast majority of cyclists are too scared to bike there. When there are bike lanes - which will apparently not be anytime soon - there will be many more people able to bike that way.

Bike lanes on Conn Ave are the ultimate in entitlement. Inconveniencing and slowing down traffic for tens of thousands for the benefit of a few hundred.

It's absolutely true that there are very few cyclists who use Connecticut - BECAUSE THERE ARE NO BIKE LANES! The only way to increase cycling is to make cycling safe. In the Netherlands, there is a great cycling infrastructure and cycling is widespread.

Of course, DC is not going to turn into the Netherlands, you say, because we're a car culture. True. As was Netherlands in 1971, when more than 400 children were killed in traffic accidents. It took a lot of work and many years to build safe cities there, as it will here. We should start now.

https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2015/may/05/amsterdam-bicycle-capital-world-transport-cycling-kindermoord

Then move to the Netherlands. And when you're too feeble to ride your bike anymore you can ask the government to euthanize you.

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Or just move downtown where there are plenty of bike lanes and stop trying to screw up livable family neighborhoods.

What? I live in a “family neighborhood” (or at least that’s what I think you have in mind) and bike lanes are essential to protecting my children when they travel back and forth to school and activities. This is their only way to get around because they can’t drive, the bus network is pathetic, their parents are not privileged enough to have the time or the money to drive them around everywhere, and the notion of them taking rides when random strangers driving ride-shares doesn’t really appeal. How would you like them to get around? Or would you prefer them to just sit at home and pick up apart your obnoxiously idiotic claims?

They can walk.

It takes three times as long to walk as to bike, which would mean they could do very little in the way of activities.

Where do you live and where are these activities on Connecticut Avenue that they can't get to unless on a bike? How old are your kids?

Would you like a social security number as well?

The point is not hard to grasp, unless of course you know nothing about life in DC or are suffering from the cognitive dissonance associated with espousing policies that are deeply detrimental to the quality of life enjoyed by DC residents.

There is no way my kids would have been able to participate in the breadth of activities they’ve enjoyed across DC if they didn’t have bikes. We are somewhat cavalier perhaps in letting them ride on streets without protected bike lanes. But many other parents are not and I get that.

You didn't answer the question because you are probably single and have no idea what life is like with children in the k-12 range.

You’re a creep. That is why no one is answering your questions.

I didn't ask a question. Just a new person who noticed that you didn't answer a question and still haven't answered the question because you are out of touch and don't what it's like to have the demands of a family. You want to impose your selfish view on everyone just so that you can ride your bike -- and bypass other public transportations options -- to go drink your beer or latte. Something that those of us with kids are far too busy to do. And yet here you are posting on a forum filled with people with kids who just don't have time for your nonsense. If people need to get to work, there are existing bike options if they so choose. The demand isn't there and never was there.

Family guy here, not the one you have been answering with. Our kids ride, we ride, we would ride more if it were safer, which is why we support more bike lanes on Connecticut Avenue and across the city and region. We ride to kids sporting events - soccer and baseball, we ride to their music classes (no, not a stand-up Bass) and art classes. We prefer riding to any other mode because of the flexibility and exercise. Our familiy riding takes two cars off the road and frees up parking spots for those who have no other option but to drive, so drivers should be happy about our choices and support our call for a safer path for us.

The problem with your logic is that in no way would these bike lanes ever be “safe”. A few inches of concrete are not going to stop a car traveling at 25+ MPH, let alone the many trucks that use this road. The city should not be supporting a project that would induce hundreds/thousands of new riders on this road. Anyone who allowed their kid to ride in these bike lanes needs their heads examined.

Yes, I agree, drivers operate their vehicles in an unsafe manner. But wait, I thought the bike lanes were going to make CT Ave congested and block traffic. If that is the case, we don't need to worry about speeding cars and trucks, right? Which is it, because it can't be both.

Traffic causes drivers to be LESS safe. Thus increasing the likelihood of a delivery guy speeding to get through a yellow light and plowing over the eight inch piece of concrete and into Mrs. Rottencrotch and her two kids on the back of her bike.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone currently biking on Conn Ave today is not a typical cyclist. I've been biking nearly daily in DC for decades and am still terrified whenever I have to take Conn. The vast majority of cyclists are too scared to bike there. When there are bike lanes - which will apparently not be anytime soon - there will be many more people able to bike that way.

Bike lanes on Conn Ave are the ultimate in entitlement. Inconveniencing and slowing down traffic for tens of thousands for the benefit of a few hundred.

It's absolutely true that there are very few cyclists who use Connecticut - BECAUSE THERE ARE NO BIKE LANES! The only way to increase cycling is to make cycling safe. In the Netherlands, there is a great cycling infrastructure and cycling is widespread.

Of course, DC is not going to turn into the Netherlands, you say, because we're a car culture. True. As was Netherlands in 1971, when more than 400 children were killed in traffic accidents. It took a lot of work and many years to build safe cities there, as it will here. We should start now.

https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2015/may/05/amsterdam-bicycle-capital-world-transport-cycling-kindermoord

Then move to the Netherlands. And when you're too feeble to ride your bike anymore you can ask the government to euthanize you.

.

Or just move downtown where there are plenty of bike lanes and stop trying to screw up livable family neighborhoods.

What? I live in a “family neighborhood” (or at least that’s what I think you have in mind) and bike lanes are essential to protecting my children when they travel back and forth to school and activities. This is their only way to get around because they can’t drive, the bus network is pathetic, their parents are not privileged enough to have the time or the money to drive them around everywhere, and the notion of them taking rides when random strangers driving ride-shares doesn’t really appeal. How would you like them to get around? Or would you prefer them to just sit at home and pick up apart your obnoxiously idiotic claims?

They can walk.

It takes three times as long to walk as to bike, which would mean they could do very little in the way of activities.

Where do you live and where are these activities on Connecticut Avenue that they can't get to unless on a bike? How old are your kids?

Would you like a social security number as well?

The point is not hard to grasp, unless of course you know nothing about life in DC or are suffering from the cognitive dissonance associated with espousing policies that are deeply detrimental to the quality of life enjoyed by DC residents.

There is no way my kids would have been able to participate in the breadth of activities they’ve enjoyed across DC if they didn’t have bikes. We are somewhat cavalier perhaps in letting them ride on streets without protected bike lanes. But many other parents are not and I get that.

You didn't answer the question because you are probably single and have no idea what life is like with children in the k-12 range.

You’re a creep. That is why no one is answering your questions.

I didn't ask a question. Just a new person who noticed that you didn't answer a question and still haven't answered the question because you are out of touch and don't what it's like to have the demands of a family. You want to impose your selfish view on everyone just so that you can ride your bike -- and bypass other public transportations options -- to go drink your beer or latte. Something that those of us with kids are far too busy to do. And yet here you are posting on a forum filled with people with kids who just don't have time for your nonsense. If people need to get to work, there are existing bike options if they so choose. The demand isn't there and never was there.

Family guy here, not the one you have been answering with. Our kids ride, we ride, we would ride more if it were safer, which is why we support more bike lanes on Connecticut Avenue and across the city and region. We ride to kids sporting events - soccer and baseball, we ride to their music classes (no, not a stand-up Bass) and art classes. We prefer riding to any other mode because of the flexibility and exercise. Our familiy riding takes two cars off the road and frees up parking spots for those who have no other option but to drive, so drivers should be happy about our choices and support our call for a safer path for us.

The problem with your logic is that in no way would these bike lanes ever be “safe”. A few inches of concrete are not going to stop a car traveling at 25+ MPH, let alone the many trucks that use this road. The city should not be supporting a project that would induce hundreds/thousands of new riders on this road. Anyone who allowed their kid to ride in these bike lanes needs their heads examined.

Yes, I agree, drivers operate their vehicles in an unsafe manner. But wait, I thought the bike lanes were going to make CT Ave congested and block traffic. If that is the case, we don't need to worry about speeding cars and trucks, right? Which is it, because it can't be both.

Traffic causes drivers to be LESS safe. Thus increasing the likelihood of a delivery guy speeding to get through a yellow light and plowing over the eight inch piece of concrete and into Mrs. Rottencrotch and her two kids on the back of her bike.

then delivery guy shouldn't be able to legally operate a truck.

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The WABA/bike lane bro coalition seems to have played their hand badly by alienating Mayor Bowser after she has funded the organization with millions per year and has basically stepped aside, against her judgement, and allowed WABA to set the priorities for DDOT for the last 5 years.

That’s why it’s astounding to read comments from these folks attacking her without any gratitude.

I’m going to assume that for Bowser, WABA lobbying and building a coalition with Charles Allen to defeat the K Street redesign that was central to her downtown DC revitalization initiative was the last straw. They even had the temerity to give Allen an award immediately after. All because just one arterial street was going to have a dedicated bus lane but not a bike lane.

I’m not sure why they decided to make the Bowser their enemy, but it was short-sighted and ultimately self-defeating.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone currently biking on Conn Ave today is not a typical cyclist. I've been biking nearly daily in DC for decades and am still terrified whenever I have to take Conn. The vast majority of cyclists are too scared to bike there. When there are bike lanes - which will apparently not be anytime soon - there will be many more people able to bike that way.

Bike lanes on Conn Ave are the ultimate in entitlement. Inconveniencing and slowing down traffic for tens of thousands for the benefit of a few hundred.

It's absolutely true that there are very few cyclists who use Connecticut - BECAUSE THERE ARE NO BIKE LANES! The only way to increase cycling is to make cycling safe. In the Netherlands, there is a great cycling infrastructure and cycling is widespread.

Of course, DC is not going to turn into the Netherlands, you say, because we're a car culture. True. As was Netherlands in 1971, when more than 400 children were killed in traffic accidents. It took a lot of work and many years to build safe cities there, as it will here. We should start now.

https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2015/may/05/amsterdam-bicycle-capital-world-transport-cycling-kindermoord

Then move to the Netherlands. And when you're too feeble to ride your bike anymore you can ask the government to euthanize you.

.

Or just move downtown where there are plenty of bike lanes and stop trying to screw up livable family neighborhoods.

What? I live in a “family neighborhood” (or at least that’s what I think you have in mind) and bike lanes are essential to protecting my children when they travel back and forth to school and activities. This is their only way to get around because they can’t drive, the bus network is pathetic, their parents are not privileged enough to have the time or the money to drive them around everywhere, and the notion of them taking rides when random strangers driving ride-shares doesn’t really appeal. How would you like them to get around? Or would you prefer them to just sit at home and pick up apart your obnoxiously idiotic claims?

They can walk.

It takes three times as long to walk as to bike, which would mean they could do very little in the way of activities.

Where do you live and where are these activities on Connecticut Avenue that they can't get to unless on a bike? How old are your kids?

Would you like a social security number as well?

The point is not hard to grasp, unless of course you know nothing about life in DC or are suffering from the cognitive dissonance associated with espousing policies that are deeply detrimental to the quality of life enjoyed by DC residents.

There is no way my kids would have been able to participate in the breadth of activities they’ve enjoyed across DC if they didn’t have bikes. We are somewhat cavalier perhaps in letting them ride on streets without protected bike lanes. But many other parents are not and I get that.

You didn't answer the question because you are probably single and have no idea what life is like with children in the k-12 range.

You’re a creep. That is why no one is answering your questions.

I didn't ask a question. Just a new person who noticed that you didn't answer a question and still haven't answered the question because you are out of touch and don't what it's like to have the demands of a family. You want to impose your selfish view on everyone just so that you can ride your bike -- and bypass other public transportations options -- to go drink your beer or latte. Something that those of us with kids are far too busy to do. And yet here you are posting on a forum filled with people with kids who just don't have time for your nonsense. If people need to get to work, there are existing bike options if they so choose. The demand isn't there and never was there.

Family guy here, not the one you have been answering with. Our kids ride, we ride, we would ride more if it were safer, which is why we support more bike lanes on Connecticut Avenue and across the city and region. We ride to kids sporting events - soccer and baseball, we ride to their music classes (no, not a stand-up Bass) and art classes. We prefer riding to any other mode because of the flexibility and exercise. Our familiy riding takes two cars off the road and frees up parking spots for those who have no other option but to drive, so drivers should be happy about our choices and support our call for a safer path for us.

The problem with your logic is that in no way would these bike lanes ever be “safe”. A few inches of concrete are not going to stop a car traveling at 25+ MPH, let alone the many trucks that use this road. The city should not be supporting a project that would induce hundreds/thousands of new riders on this road. Anyone who allowed their kid to ride in these bike lanes needs their heads examined.

Yes, I agree, drivers operate their vehicles in an unsafe manner. But wait, I thought the bike lanes were going to make CT Ave congested and block traffic. If that is the case, we don't need to worry about speeding cars and trucks, right? Which is it, because it can't be both.

Traffic causes drivers to be LESS safe. Thus increasing the likelihood of a delivery guy speeding to get through a yellow light and plowing over the eight inch piece of concrete and into Mrs. Rottencrotch and her two kids on the back of her bike.

then delivery guy shouldn't be able to legally operate a truck.

Agree. The key is strict traffic enforcement. And the reason we have NO traffic enforcement is because we are 500 police short. And the reason we have a police shortage is because most of the bike lane crowd is also part of the defund the police crowd, including the entire Cleveland Park ANC.

https://anc3c.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/ANC3C-Resolution-2021-012-in-Support-of-Proposals-by-DC-Police-Reform-Commission-Report-1.pdf

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone currently biking on Conn Ave today is not a typical cyclist. I've been biking nearly daily in DC for decades and am still terrified whenever I have to take Conn. The vast majority of cyclists are too scared to bike there. When there are bike lanes - which will apparently not be anytime soon - there will be many more people able to bike that way.

Bike lanes on Conn Ave are the ultimate in entitlement. Inconveniencing and slowing down traffic for tens of thousands for the benefit of a few hundred.

It's absolutely true that there are very few cyclists who use Connecticut - BECAUSE THERE ARE NO BIKE LANES! The only way to increase cycling is to make cycling safe. In the Netherlands, there is a great cycling infrastructure and cycling is widespread.

Of course, DC is not going to turn into the Netherlands, you say, because we're a car culture. True. As was Netherlands in 1971, when more than 400 children were killed in traffic accidents. It took a lot of work and many years to build safe cities there, as it will here. We should start now.

https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2015/may/05/amsterdam-bicycle-capital-world-transport-cycling-kindermoord

Then move to the Netherlands. And when you're too feeble to ride your bike anymore you can ask the government to euthanize you.

.

Or just move downtown where there are plenty of bike lanes and stop trying to screw up livable family neighborhoods.

What? I live in a “family neighborhood” (or at least that’s what I think you have in mind) and bike lanes are essential to protecting my children when they travel back and forth to school and activities. This is their only way to get around because they can’t drive, the bus network is pathetic, their parents are not privileged enough to have the time or the money to drive them around everywhere, and the notion of them taking rides when random strangers driving ride-shares doesn’t really appeal. How would you like them to get around? Or would you prefer them to just sit at home and pick up apart your obnoxiously idiotic claims?

They can walk.

It takes three times as long to walk as to bike, which would mean they could do very little in the way of activities.

Where do you live and where are these activities on Connecticut Avenue that they can't get to unless on a bike? How old are your kids?

Would you like a social security number as well?

The point is not hard to grasp, unless of course you know nothing about life in DC or are suffering from the cognitive dissonance associated with espousing policies that are deeply detrimental to the quality of life enjoyed by DC residents.

There is no way my kids would have been able to participate in the breadth of activities they’ve enjoyed across DC if they didn’t have bikes. We are somewhat cavalier perhaps in letting them ride on streets without protected bike lanes. But many other parents are not and I get that.

You didn't answer the question because you are probably single and have no idea what life is like with children in the k-12 range.

You’re a creep. That is why no one is answering your questions.

I didn't ask a question. Just a new person who noticed that you didn't answer a question and still haven't answered the question because you are out of touch and don't what it's like to have the demands of a family. You want to impose your selfish view on everyone just so that you can ride your bike -- and bypass other public transportations options -- to go drink your beer or latte. Something that those of us with kids are far too busy to do. And yet here you are posting on a forum filled with people with kids who just don't have time for your nonsense. If people need to get to work, there are existing bike options if they so choose. The demand isn't there and never was there.

Family guy here, not the one you have been answering with. Our kids ride, we ride, we would ride more if it were safer, which is why we support more bike lanes on Connecticut Avenue and across the city and region. We ride to kids sporting events - soccer and baseball, we ride to their music classes (no, not a stand-up Bass) and art classes. We prefer riding to any other mode because of the flexibility and exercise. Our familiy riding takes two cars off the road and frees up parking spots for those who have no other option but to drive, so drivers should be happy about our choices and support our call for a safer path for us.

The problem with your logic is that in no way would these bike lanes ever be “safe”. A few inches of concrete are not going to stop a car traveling at 25+ MPH, let alone the many trucks that use this road. The city should not be supporting a project that would induce hundreds/thousands of new riders on this road. Anyone who allowed their kid to ride in these bike lanes needs their heads examined.

Yes, I agree, drivers operate their vehicles in an unsafe manner. But wait, I thought the bike lanes were going to make CT Ave congested and block traffic. If that is the case, we don't need to worry about speeding cars and trucks, right? Which is it, because it can't be both.

Traffic causes drivers to be LESS safe. Thus increasing the likelihood of a delivery guy speeding to get through a yellow light and plowing over the eight inch piece of concrete and into Mrs. Rottencrotch and her two kids on the back of her bike.

then delivery guy shouldn't be able to legally operate a truck.

Agree. The key is strict traffic enforcement. And the reason we have NO traffic enforcement is because we are 500 police short. And the reason we have a police shortage is because most of the bike lane crowd is also part of the defund the police crowd, including the entire Cleveland Park ANC.

https://anc3c.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/ANC3C-Resolution-2021-012-in-Support-of-Proposals-by-DC-Police-Reform-Commission-Report-1.pdf

No. In our ANC we are pro bike and pro traffic enforcement. There is a faction that believe based on actual technical experience that law enforcement isn’t actually sufficient for traffic safety - that you also need to redesign the streets to calm traffic. But nobody is against red light cameras or traffic enforcement.

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Anonymous wrote:The WABA/bike lane bro coalition seems to have played their hand badly by alienating Mayor Bowser after she has funded the organization with millions per year and has basically stepped aside, against her judgement, and allowed WABA to set the priorities for DDOT for the last 5 years.

That’s why it’s astounding to read comments from these folks attacking her without any gratitude.

I’m going to assume that for Bowser, WABA lobbying and building a coalition with Charles Allen to defeat the K Street redesign that was central to her downtown DC revitalization initiative was the last straw. They even had the temerity to give Allen an award immediately after. All because just one arterial street was going to have a dedicated bus lane but not a bike lane.

I’m not sure why they decided to make the Bowser their enemy, but it was short-sighted and ultimately self-defeating.

August 2023: WABA helps Charles Allen defeat K Street Transitway
September 2023: Everett Lott leaves as head of DDOT with no job lined up
April 2024: Bowser cancels Connecticut Avenue bike lanes

Y’all bit the hand that fed you and unfortunately that hand bites back.

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Anonymous wrote:Could the bike lanes fit on Reno Rd? That’s a solution that might make everyone happy since it’s a scenic north-south residential street.

No, they couldn't.

And, there are no shops and restaurants on reno road, so why would anyone want to ride there?

Biking in this context is transportation, not recreation.

In other words, if there aren't bars and sidewalk cafes to bike to, then the bike lane isn't of much use.

No, what I mean is, it is a form of transportation, of which running errands is one use. If a lane is on another road, that is fine, but Connecticut Avenue is the only north to south route that also has amenities on them.

Parks and schools are amenities, too.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone currently biking on Conn Ave today is not a typical cyclist. I've been biking nearly daily in DC for decades and am still terrified whenever I have to take Conn. The vast majority of cyclists are too scared to bike there. When there are bike lanes - which will apparently not be anytime soon - there will be many more people able to bike that way.

Bike lanes on Conn Ave are the ultimate in entitlement. Inconveniencing and slowing down traffic for tens of thousands for the benefit of a few hundred.

It's absolutely true that there are very few cyclists who use Connecticut - BECAUSE THERE ARE NO BIKE LANES! The only way to increase cycling is to make cycling safe. In the Netherlands, there is a great cycling infrastructure and cycling is widespread.

Of course, DC is not going to turn into the Netherlands, you say, because we're a car culture. True. As was Netherlands in 1971, when more than 400 children were killed in traffic accidents. It took a lot of work and many years to build safe cities there, as it will here. We should start now.

https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2015/may/05/amsterdam-bicycle-capital-world-transport-cycling-kindermoord

Then move to the Netherlands. And when you're too feeble to ride your bike anymore you can ask the government to euthanize you.

.

Or just move downtown where there are plenty of bike lanes and stop trying to screw up livable family neighborhoods.

What? I live in a “family neighborhood” (or at least that’s what I think you have in mind) and bike lanes are essential to protecting my children when they travel back and forth to school and activities. This is their only way to get around because they can’t drive, the bus network is pathetic, their parents are not privileged enough to have the time or the money to drive them around everywhere, and the notion of them taking rides when random strangers driving ride-shares doesn’t really appeal. How would you like them to get around? Or would you prefer them to just sit at home and pick up apart your obnoxiously idiotic claims?

They can walk.

It takes three times as long to walk as to bike, which would mean they could do very little in the way of activities.

Where do you live and where are these activities on Connecticut Avenue that they can't get to unless on a bike? How old are your kids?

Would you like a social security number as well?

The point is not hard to grasp, unless of course you know nothing about life in DC or are suffering from the cognitive dissonance associated with espousing policies that are deeply detrimental to the quality of life enjoyed by DC residents.

There is no way my kids would have been able to participate in the breadth of activities they’ve enjoyed across DC if they didn’t have bikes. We are somewhat cavalier perhaps in letting them ride on streets without protected bike lanes. But many other parents are not and I get that.

You didn't answer the question because you are probably single and have no idea what life is like with children in the k-12 range.

You’re a creep. That is why no one is answering your questions.

I didn't ask a question. Just a new person who noticed that you didn't answer a question and still haven't answered the question because you are out of touch and don't what it's like to have the demands of a family. You want to impose your selfish view on everyone just so that you can ride your bike -- and bypass other public transportations options -- to go drink your beer or latte. Something that those of us with kids are far too busy to do. And yet here you are posting on a forum filled with people with kids who just don't have time for your nonsense. If people need to get to work, there are existing bike options if they so choose. The demand isn't there and never was there.

Family guy here, not the one you have been answering with. Our kids ride, we ride, we would ride more if it were safer, which is why we support more bike lanes on Connecticut Avenue and across the city and region. We ride to kids sporting events - soccer and baseball, we ride to their music classes (no, not a stand-up Bass) and art classes. We prefer riding to any other mode because of the flexibility and exercise. Our familiy riding takes two cars off the road and frees up parking spots for those who have no other option but to drive, so drivers should be happy about our choices and support our call for a safer path for us.

The problem with your logic is that in no way would these bike lanes ever be “safe”. A few inches of concrete are not going to stop a car traveling at 25+ MPH, let alone the many trucks that use this road. The city should not be supporting a project that would induce hundreds/thousands of new riders on this road. Anyone who allowed their kid to ride in these bike lanes needs their heads examined.

Yes, I agree, drivers operate their vehicles in an unsafe manner. But wait, I thought the bike lanes were going to make CT Ave congested and block traffic. If that is the case, we don't need to worry about speeding cars and trucks, right? Which is it, because it can't be both.

Traffic causes drivers to be LESS safe. Thus increasing the likelihood of a delivery guy speeding to get through a yellow light and plowing over the eight inch piece of concrete and into Mrs. Rottencrotch and her two kids on the back of her bike.

then delivery guy shouldn't be able to legally operate a truck.

Agree. The key is strict traffic enforcement. And the reason we have NO traffic enforcement is because we are 500 police short. And the reason we have a police shortage is because most of the bike lane crowd is also part of the defund the police crowd, including the entire Cleveland Park ANC.

https://anc3c.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/ANC3C-Resolution-2021-012-in-Support-of-Proposals-by-DC-Police-Reform-Commission-Report-1.pdf

No. In our ANC we are pro bike and pro traffic enforcement. There is a faction that believe based on actual technical experience that law enforcement isn’t actually sufficient for traffic safety - that you also need to redesign the streets to calm traffic. But nobody is against red light cameras or traffic enforcement.

In our neighborhood, we believe that "calming" Connecticut Avenue should not come at the expense of diverting car and truck traffic to intersecting side streets (Woodley, Ordway, Macomb, etc) and parallel routes (Reno), which are narrower and largely residential, and thus making them even less safe.