Seems like MCPS is a mess

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Anonymous wrote:My child has regularly dealt with comments due to her gender. A girl. You can’t do this, you’re a girl, you’ll fail because you are a girl, comments about body parts, I can go on and on. The teacher acknowledged it was a problem. Principal refused to do anything, pointed me to a bullying form. And I talked to a county administrator, who has since left because of the scandal, very nice on the phone but did nothing. Now if these comments were about anything other than her being a girl, the county would have cared. All MCPS cares about is equity, but not in raising the bar for kids who don’t have the support. They are focused on the appearance of equity, not providing a solid education to all. It’s broken. It’s exhausting. Doesn’t matter what I do, other than move my kid.

BS my girls never ever got anything but a fantastic stem education from MCPS>
MCPS has a great track record for women getting accepted to great colleges for math,science, CS, Eng, physics etc and medical school.

My girls went to MIT and Carnegie Mellon and GA tech from MCPS.

That's impressive! I feel similarly. I have one kid in RMIB and another at Blair SMCS. These great opportunities are completely available to anyone who is interested. Still, county demographics are radically different than 30 years ago, and not everyone cares about college these days.

Hilarious. I have a kid at RMIB and know of many qualified students just like her, who were not offered a seat.

I agree that RMIB is a great program, but there are not enough spots. So no, they are not ‘completely available to anyone who is interested’. That is a ridiculous claim.

I know some too who weren't offered a seat, but the bar to get in wasn't that high. Let's be honest. Those who didn't get in were mostly just not up to the challenge.

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You nailed it, but these posters are so married to selling this false narrative of decline that they refuse to look at any evidence.

you are gaslighting only yourself.

We used to be #1 in the state, now #3 in the state. You can look at the graphs here and see our decline in last 10 years. Sure, our W schools may have 90% proficiency math/reading rates, but countywide the rates are 27% and 45%. You okay with those numbers?
Nationwide, we are ranked #141 by county. The same rating as Carroll County. There are 5 counties in West Virginia ranked better than us. No more making fun of WV schools.

https://www.publicschoolreview.com/maryland/montgomery-county-public-schools-school-district/2400480-school-district


If graduation rates are increasing, it is because we lowered our standards for it.
You set the bar low, you only get low output. The tech industry figured that out 10-15 years ago, that's why they left all those now vacant buildings along 270. That, and the fact that the other side of the river was more business friendly.

Personally I think the start of the fall came way back on Weast and that terrible math that my kids had to live through. 12 years after him (in theory his first year of graduates) is when you see those scores fall.

Now grant you, the MCPS system as a whole has lots to offer, but it means nothing when the majority of our students are not learning.

These are the MCAP scores. The state average is 19% and 36% respectively.

And this data is old. The most recent data is 46.5% and 55.3%. And everyone has acknowledged that those scores aren’t good enough, despite the improvement.

MCAP is a new test that has questionable merit. Since it's new and used in MD only we can only compare MCAP scores to earlier years it was given. This indicates a marked improvement. and MCPS is doing better than anyplace in the state. So it seems like MCPS isn't really a mess after all.

Ah, the old test is not valid argument…

Agree if they were using the PARC we could make a valid comparison but MCAP seems to have real issues still.

Yet no one has told us what the issues are with the test.

It tests standards, not the taught curriculum. That’s the main problem. The test scores mirror parental income just like every other standardized test.

What concerns me about this new test is how the results were so vastly different than PARCC which at least was proven test.

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You nailed it, but these posters are so married to selling this false narrative of decline that they refuse to look at any evidence.

you are gaslighting only yourself.

We used to be #1 in the state, now #3 in the state. You can look at the graphs here and see our decline in last 10 years. Sure, our W schools may have 90% proficiency math/reading rates, but countywide the rates are 27% and 45%. You okay with those numbers?
Nationwide, we are ranked #141 by county. The same rating as Carroll County. There are 5 counties in West Virginia ranked better than us. No more making fun of WV schools.

https://www.publicschoolreview.com/maryland/montgomery-county-public-schools-school-district/2400480-school-district


If graduation rates are increasing, it is because we lowered our standards for it.
You set the bar low, you only get low output. The tech industry figured that out 10-15 years ago, that's why they left all those now vacant buildings along 270. That, and the fact that the other side of the river was more business friendly.

Personally I think the start of the fall came way back on Weast and that terrible math that my kids had to live through. 12 years after him (in theory his first year of graduates) is when you see those scores fall.

Now grant you, the MCPS system as a whole has lots to offer, but it means nothing when the majority of our students are not learning.

These are the MCAP scores. The state average is 19% and 36% respectively.

And this data is old. The most recent data is 46.5% and 55.3%. And everyone has acknowledged that those scores aren’t good enough, despite the improvement.

MCAP is a new test that has questionable merit. Since it's new and used in MD only we can only compare MCAP scores to earlier years it was given. This indicates a marked improvement. and MCPS is doing better than anyplace in the state. So it seems like MCPS isn't really a mess after all.

Ah, the old test is not valid argument…

Agree if they were using the PARC we could make a valid comparison but MCAP seems to have real issues still.

Yet no one has told us what the issues are with the test.

It tests standards, not the taught curriculum. That’s the main problem. The test scores mirror parental income just like every other standardized test.

What concerns me about this new test is how the results were so vastly different than PARCC which at least was proven test.

Well, since MCPS had one of the highest overall scores on both MCAP and PARCC it's safe to say MCPS is less of a mess than everywhere else in the state.

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You nailed it, but these posters are so married to selling this false narrative of decline that they refuse to look at any evidence.

you are gaslighting only yourself.

We used to be #1 in the state, now #3 in the state. You can look at the graphs here and see our decline in last 10 years. Sure, our W schools may have 90% proficiency math/reading rates, but countywide the rates are 27% and 45%. You okay with those numbers?
Nationwide, we are ranked #141 by county. The same rating as Carroll County. There are 5 counties in West Virginia ranked better than us. No more making fun of WV schools.

https://www.publicschoolreview.com/maryland/montgomery-county-public-schools-school-district/2400480-school-district


If graduation rates are increasing, it is because we lowered our standards for it.
You set the bar low, you only get low output. The tech industry figured that out 10-15 years ago, that's why they left all those now vacant buildings along 270. That, and the fact that the other side of the river was more business friendly.

Personally I think the start of the fall came way back on Weast and that terrible math that my kids had to live through. 12 years after him (in theory his first year of graduates) is when you see those scores fall.

Now grant you, the MCPS system as a whole has lots to offer, but it means nothing when the majority of our students are not learning.

These are the MCAP scores. The state average is 19% and 36% respectively.

And this data is old. The most recent data is 46.5% and 55.3%. And everyone has acknowledged that those scores aren’t good enough, despite the improvement.

MCAP is a new test that has questionable merit. Since it's new and used in MD only we can only compare MCAP scores to earlier years it was given. This indicates a marked improvement. and MCPS is doing better than anyplace in the state. So it seems like MCPS isn't really a mess after all.

Ah, the old test is not valid argument…

Agree if they were using the PARC we could make a valid comparison but MCAP seems to have real issues still.

Yet no one has told us what the issues are with the test.

It tests standards, not the taught curriculum. That’s the main problem. The test scores mirror parental income just like every other standardized test.

What concerns me about this new test is how the results were so vastly different than PARCC which at least was proven test.

Well, since MCPS had one of the highest overall scores on both MCAP and PARCC it's safe to say MCPS is less of a mess than everywhere else in the state.

Good luck with that hot take on DCUM!

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You nailed it, but these posters are so married to selling this false narrative of decline that they refuse to look at any evidence.

you are gaslighting only yourself.

We used to be #1 in the state, now #3 in the state. You can look at the graphs here and see our decline in last 10 years. Sure, our W schools may have 90% proficiency math/reading rates, but countywide the rates are 27% and 45%. You okay with those numbers?
Nationwide, we are ranked #141 by county. The same rating as Carroll County. There are 5 counties in West Virginia ranked better than us. No more making fun of WV schools.

https://www.publicschoolreview.com/maryland/montgomery-county-public-schools-school-district/2400480-school-district


If graduation rates are increasing, it is because we lowered our standards for it.
You set the bar low, you only get low output. The tech industry figured that out 10-15 years ago, that's why they left all those now vacant buildings along 270. That, and the fact that the other side of the river was more business friendly.

Personally I think the start of the fall came way back on Weast and that terrible math that my kids had to live through. 12 years after him (in theory his first year of graduates) is when you see those scores fall.

Now grant you, the MCPS system as a whole has lots to offer, but it means nothing when the majority of our students are not learning.

These are the MCAP scores. The state average is 19% and 36% respectively.

And this data is old. The most recent data is 46.5% and 55.3%. And everyone has acknowledged that those scores aren’t good enough, despite the improvement.

MCAP is a new test that has questionable merit. Since it's new and used in MD only we can only compare MCAP scores to earlier years it was given. This indicates a marked improvement. and MCPS is doing better than anyplace in the state. So it seems like MCPS isn't really a mess after all.

Ah, the old test is not valid argument…

Agree if they were using the PARC we could make a valid comparison but MCAP seems to have real issues still.

Yet no one has told us what the issues are with the test.

It tests standards, not the taught curriculum. That’s the main problem. The test scores mirror parental income just like every other standardized test.

Help me understand how testing for standards is a problem? MSDE set education standards for the entire state. It’s up to district and their personnel to learn and understand the standards, choose appropriate curriculum, pedagogy, resources, strategies to teach students. Ensure what’s delivered and the learning meets or exceeds the standards. Then MCAP is taken for the state to test said learning.

Am I not understanding something?

I could see if someone said some of the standards are not appropriate for a particular grade, but I’m missing why testing for true standards is a problem.

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You nailed it, but these posters are so married to selling this false narrative of decline that they refuse to look at any evidence.

you are gaslighting only yourself.

We used to be #1 in the state, now #3 in the state. You can look at the graphs here and see our decline in last 10 years. Sure, our W schools may have 90% proficiency math/reading rates, but countywide the rates are 27% and 45%. You okay with those numbers?
Nationwide, we are ranked #141 by county. The same rating as Carroll County. There are 5 counties in West Virginia ranked better than us. No more making fun of WV schools.

https://www.publicschoolreview.com/maryland/montgomery-county-public-schools-school-district/2400480-school-district


If graduation rates are increasing, it is because we lowered our standards for it.
You set the bar low, you only get low output. The tech industry figured that out 10-15 years ago, that's why they left all those now vacant buildings along 270. That, and the fact that the other side of the river was more business friendly.

Personally I think the start of the fall came way back on Weast and that terrible math that my kids had to live through. 12 years after him (in theory his first year of graduates) is when you see those scores fall.

Now grant you, the MCPS system as a whole has lots to offer, but it means nothing when the majority of our students are not learning.

These are the MCAP scores. The state average is 19% and 36% respectively.

And this data is old. The most recent data is 46.5% and 55.3%. And everyone has acknowledged that those scores aren’t good enough, despite the improvement.

MCAP is a new test that has questionable merit. Since it's new and used in MD only we can only compare MCAP scores to earlier years it was given. This indicates a marked improvement. and MCPS is doing better than anyplace in the state. So it seems like MCPS isn't really a mess after all.

Ah, the old test is not valid argument…

Agree if they were using the PARC we could make a valid comparison but MCAP seems to have real issues still.

Yet no one has told us what the issues are with the test.

It tests standards, not the taught curriculum. That’s the main problem. The test scores mirror parental income just like every other standardized test.

What concerns me about this new test is how the results were so vastly different than PARCC which at least was proven test.

Well, since MCPS had one of the highest overall scores on both MCAP and PARCC it's safe to say MCPS is less of a mess than everywhere else in the state.

that's true not sure about these posters always looking to place blame

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You nailed it, but these posters are so married to selling this false narrative of decline that they refuse to look at any evidence.

you are gaslighting only yourself.

We used to be #1 in the state, now #3 in the state. You can look at the graphs here and see our decline in last 10 years. Sure, our W schools may have 90% proficiency math/reading rates, but countywide the rates are 27% and 45%. You okay with those numbers?
Nationwide, we are ranked #141 by county. The same rating as Carroll County. There are 5 counties in West Virginia ranked better than us. No more making fun of WV schools.

https://www.publicschoolreview.com/maryland/montgomery-county-public-schools-school-district/2400480-school-district


If graduation rates are increasing, it is because we lowered our standards for it.
You set the bar low, you only get low output. The tech industry figured that out 10-15 years ago, that's why they left all those now vacant buildings along 270. That, and the fact that the other side of the river was more business friendly.

Personally I think the start of the fall came way back on Weast and that terrible math that my kids had to live through. 12 years after him (in theory his first year of graduates) is when you see those scores fall.

Now grant you, the MCPS system as a whole has lots to offer, but it means nothing when the majority of our students are not learning.

These are the MCAP scores. The state average is 19% and 36% respectively.

And this data is old. The most recent data is 46.5% and 55.3%. And everyone has acknowledged that those scores aren’t good enough, despite the improvement.

MCAP is a new test that has questionable merit. Since it's new and used in MD only we can only compare MCAP scores to earlier years it was given. This indicates a marked improvement. and MCPS is doing better than anyplace in the state. So it seems like MCPS isn't really a mess after all.

Ah, the old test is not valid argument…

Agree if they were using the PARC we could make a valid comparison but MCAP seems to have real issues still.

Yet no one has told us what the issues are with the test.

It tests standards, not the taught curriculum. That’s the main problem. The test scores mirror parental income just like every other standardized test.

What concerns me about this new test is how the results were so vastly different than PARCC which at least was proven test.

Well, since MCPS had one of the highest overall scores on both MCAP and PARCC it's safe to say MCPS is less of a mess than everywhere else in the state.

It’s one of the wealthiest counties in the country. It should be far outpacing everyone and it’s not.

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You nailed it, but these posters are so married to selling this false narrative of decline that they refuse to look at any evidence.

you are gaslighting only yourself.

We used to be #1 in the state, now #3 in the state. You can look at the graphs here and see our decline in last 10 years. Sure, our W schools may have 90% proficiency math/reading rates, but countywide the rates are 27% and 45%. You okay with those numbers?
Nationwide, we are ranked #141 by county. The same rating as Carroll County. There are 5 counties in West Virginia ranked better than us. No more making fun of WV schools.

https://www.publicschoolreview.com/maryland/montgomery-county-public-schools-school-district/2400480-school-district


If graduation rates are increasing, it is because we lowered our standards for it.
You set the bar low, you only get low output. The tech industry figured that out 10-15 years ago, that's why they left all those now vacant buildings along 270. That, and the fact that the other side of the river was more business friendly.

Personally I think the start of the fall came way back on Weast and that terrible math that my kids had to live through. 12 years after him (in theory his first year of graduates) is when you see those scores fall.

Now grant you, the MCPS system as a whole has lots to offer, but it means nothing when the majority of our students are not learning.

These are the MCAP scores. The state average is 19% and 36% respectively.

And this data is old. The most recent data is 46.5% and 55.3%. And everyone has acknowledged that those scores aren’t good enough, despite the improvement.

MCAP is a new test that has questionable merit. Since it's new and used in MD only we can only compare MCAP scores to earlier years it was given. This indicates a marked improvement. and MCPS is doing better than anyplace in the state. So it seems like MCPS isn't really a mess after all.

Ah, the old test is not valid argument…

Agree if they were using the PARC we could make a valid comparison but MCAP seems to have real issues still.

Yet no one has told us what the issues are with the test.

It tests standards, not the taught curriculum. That’s the main problem. The test scores mirror parental income just like every other standardized test.

Help me understand how testing for standards is a problem? MSDE set education standards for the entire state. It’s up to district and their personnel to learn and understand the standards, choose appropriate curriculum, pedagogy, resources, strategies to teach students. Ensure what’s delivered and the learning meets or exceeds the standards. Then MCAP is taken for the state to test said learning.

Am I not understanding something?

I could see if someone said some of the standards are not appropriate for a particular grade, but I’m missing why testing for true standards is a problem.

Just think. You are a middle schooler and you spent the year in science, social studies, and English covering the following topics- the Civil War, Greek myths, astronomy, and a unit on modern poetry. Instead of being tested on those topics, you are given random reading passages on acid rain, the Vietnam War era, and sea turtles. You might know something about those topics or you might not. If you don't, you won't do well on the test. These tests test background knowledge, not the taught curriculum. Who doesn't do well on tests of background knowledge? Most poor students. At least when I went to school, I was tested on what I was taught.

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You nailed it, but these posters are so married to selling this false narrative of decline that they refuse to look at any evidence.

you are gaslighting only yourself.

We used to be #1 in the state, now #3 in the state. You can look at the graphs here and see our decline in last 10 years. Sure, our W schools may have 90% proficiency math/reading rates, but countywide the rates are 27% and 45%. You okay with those numbers?
Nationwide, we are ranked #141 by county. The same rating as Carroll County. There are 5 counties in West Virginia ranked better than us. No more making fun of WV schools.

https://www.publicschoolreview.com/maryland/montgomery-county-public-schools-school-district/2400480-school-district


If graduation rates are increasing, it is because we lowered our standards for it.
You set the bar low, you only get low output. The tech industry figured that out 10-15 years ago, that's why they left all those now vacant buildings along 270. That, and the fact that the other side of the river was more business friendly.

Personally I think the start of the fall came way back on Weast and that terrible math that my kids had to live through. 12 years after him (in theory his first year of graduates) is when you see those scores fall.

Now grant you, the MCPS system as a whole has lots to offer, but it means nothing when the majority of our students are not learning.

These are the MCAP scores. The state average is 19% and 36% respectively.

And this data is old. The most recent data is 46.5% and 55.3%. And everyone has acknowledged that those scores aren’t good enough, despite the improvement.

MCAP is a new test that has questionable merit. Since it's new and used in MD only we can only compare MCAP scores to earlier years it was given. This indicates a marked improvement. and MCPS is doing better than anyplace in the state. So it seems like MCPS isn't really a mess after all.

Ah, the old test is not valid argument…

Agree if they were using the PARC we could make a valid comparison but MCAP seems to have real issues still.

Yet no one has told us what the issues are with the test.

It tests standards, not the taught curriculum. That’s the main problem. The test scores mirror parental income just like every other standardized test.

What concerns me about this new test is how the results were so vastly different than PARCC which at least was proven test.

Well, since MCPS had one of the highest overall scores on both MCAP and PARCC it's safe to say MCPS is less of a mess than everywhere else in the state.

It’s one of the wealthiest counties in the country. It should be far outpacing everyone and it’s not.

The county is half wealthy and half poor, and the FARMS rate is rising every year in MCPS.

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You nailed it, but these posters are so married to selling this false narrative of decline that they refuse to look at any evidence.

you are gaslighting only yourself.

We used to be #1 in the state, now #3 in the state. You can look at the graphs here and see our decline in last 10 years. Sure, our W schools may have 90% proficiency math/reading rates, but countywide the rates are 27% and 45%. You okay with those numbers?
Nationwide, we are ranked #141 by county. The same rating as Carroll County. There are 5 counties in West Virginia ranked better than us. No more making fun of WV schools.

https://www.publicschoolreview.com/maryland/montgomery-county-public-schools-school-district/2400480-school-district


If graduation rates are increasing, it is because we lowered our standards for it.
You set the bar low, you only get low output. The tech industry figured that out 10-15 years ago, that's why they left all those now vacant buildings along 270. That, and the fact that the other side of the river was more business friendly.

Personally I think the start of the fall came way back on Weast and that terrible math that my kids had to live through. 12 years after him (in theory his first year of graduates) is when you see those scores fall.

Now grant you, the MCPS system as a whole has lots to offer, but it means nothing when the majority of our students are not learning.

These are the MCAP scores. The state average is 19% and 36% respectively.

And this data is old. The most recent data is 46.5% and 55.3%. And everyone has acknowledged that those scores aren’t good enough, despite the improvement.

MCAP is a new test that has questionable merit. Since it's new and used in MD only we can only compare MCAP scores to earlier years it was given. This indicates a marked improvement. and MCPS is doing better than anyplace in the state. So it seems like MCPS isn't really a mess after all.

Ah, the old test is not valid argument…

Agree if they were using the PARC we could make a valid comparison but MCAP seems to have real issues still.

Yet no one has told us what the issues are with the test.

It tests standards, not the taught curriculum. That’s the main problem. The test scores mirror parental income just like every other standardized test.

What concerns me about this new test is how the results were so vastly different than PARCC which at least was proven test.

Well, since MCPS had one of the highest overall scores on both MCAP and PARCC it's safe to say MCPS is less of a mess than everywhere else in the state.

Good luck with that hot take on DCUM!

Grabs popcorn.

PP: concern is the cost of these supposedly ‘high scores (within Maryland) The last time I checked Kent County isnt dropping billions a year on their schools…

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Teaching to the test is not an adequate measure of the education. The number of times I heard we are getting ready for MAP.

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You nailed it, but these posters are so married to selling this false narrative of decline that they refuse to look at any evidence.

you are gaslighting only yourself.

We used to be #1 in the state, now #3 in the state. You can look at the graphs here and see our decline in last 10 years. Sure, our W schools may have 90% proficiency math/reading rates, but countywide the rates are 27% and 45%. You okay with those numbers?
Nationwide, we are ranked #141 by county. The same rating as Carroll County. There are 5 counties in West Virginia ranked better than us. No more making fun of WV schools.

https://www.publicschoolreview.com/maryland/montgomery-county-public-schools-school-district/2400480-school-district


If graduation rates are increasing, it is because we lowered our standards for it.
You set the bar low, you only get low output. The tech industry figured that out 10-15 years ago, that's why they left all those now vacant buildings along 270. That, and the fact that the other side of the river was more business friendly.

Personally I think the start of the fall came way back on Weast and that terrible math that my kids had to live through. 12 years after him (in theory his first year of graduates) is when you see those scores fall.

Now grant you, the MCPS system as a whole has lots to offer, but it means nothing when the majority of our students are not learning.

These are the MCAP scores. The state average is 19% and 36% respectively.

And this data is old. The most recent data is 46.5% and 55.3%. And everyone has acknowledged that those scores aren’t good enough, despite the improvement.

MCAP is a new test that has questionable merit. Since it's new and used in MD only we can only compare MCAP scores to earlier years it was given. This indicates a marked improvement. and MCPS is doing better than anyplace in the state. So it seems like MCPS isn't really a mess after all.

Ah, the old test is not valid argument…

Agree if they were using the PARC we could make a valid comparison but MCAP seems to have real issues still.

Yet no one has told us what the issues are with the test.

It tests standards, not the taught curriculum. That’s the main problem. The test scores mirror parental income just like every other standardized test.

What concerns me about this new test is how the results were so vastly different than PARCC which at least was proven test.

Well, since MCPS had one of the highest overall scores on both MCAP and PARCC it's safe to say MCPS is less of a mess than everywhere else in the state.

Good luck with that hot take on DCUM!

Grabs popcorn.

PP: concern is the cost of these supposedly ‘high scores (within Maryland) The last time I checked Kent County isnt dropping billions a year on their schools…

Kent County's per pupil spending is (slightly) higher than Montgomery County's although more of it is state spending than local.

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You nailed it, but these posters are so married to selling this false narrative of decline that they refuse to look at any evidence.

you are gaslighting only yourself.

We used to be #1 in the state, now #3 in the state. You can look at the graphs here and see our decline in last 10 years. Sure, our W schools may have 90% proficiency math/reading rates, but countywide the rates are 27% and 45%. You okay with those numbers?
Nationwide, we are ranked #141 by county. The same rating as Carroll County. There are 5 counties in West Virginia ranked better than us. No more making fun of WV schools.

https://www.publicschoolreview.com/maryland/montgomery-county-public-schools-school-district/2400480-school-district


If graduation rates are increasing, it is because we lowered our standards for it.
You set the bar low, you only get low output. The tech industry figured that out 10-15 years ago, that's why they left all those now vacant buildings along 270. That, and the fact that the other side of the river was more business friendly.

Personally I think the start of the fall came way back on Weast and that terrible math that my kids had to live through. 12 years after him (in theory his first year of graduates) is when you see those scores fall.

Now grant you, the MCPS system as a whole has lots to offer, but it means nothing when the majority of our students are not learning.

These are the MCAP scores. The state average is 19% and 36% respectively.

And this data is old. The most recent data is 46.5% and 55.3%. And everyone has acknowledged that those scores aren’t good enough, despite the improvement.

MCAP is a new test that has questionable merit. Since it's new and used in MD only we can only compare MCAP scores to earlier years it was given. This indicates a marked improvement. and MCPS is doing better than anyplace in the state. So it seems like MCPS isn't really a mess after all.

Ah, the old test is not valid argument…

Agree if they were using the PARC we could make a valid comparison but MCAP seems to have real issues still.

Yet no one has told us what the issues are with the test.

It tests standards, not the taught curriculum. That’s the main problem. The test scores mirror parental income just like every other standardized test.

What concerns me about this new test is how the results were so vastly different than PARCC which at least was proven test.

Well, since MCPS had one of the highest overall scores on both MCAP and PARCC it's safe to say MCPS is less of a mess than everywhere else in the state.

Good luck with that hot take on DCUM!

Grabs popcorn.

PP: concern is the cost of these supposedly ‘high scores (within Maryland) The last time I checked Kent County isnt dropping billions a year on their schools…

Kent County's per pupil spending is (slightly) higher than Montgomery County's although more of it is state spending than local.

Sorry, I was remembering data from a couple years ago, Montgomery County now spends virtually exactly the same.

[Anonymous]

MCPS can quit with their COSAs. Every time a kid gets a COSA for being bullied they actually go to a new school and become a bully. It’s often dangerous and sad that these COSA kids have significant learning and mental health needs that don’t get addresses until something extreme happens. By then it’s too late and we’ve swayed another family or teacher to leave McPs

[Anonymous]

Having gone through a process with MCPS, i would advise to look at other school districts if you value safety, transparency, fairness, etc. It’s fine until something happens, then you will see what I am talking about.