Seems like MCPS is a mess

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You nailed it, but these posters are so married to selling this false narrative of decline that they refuse to look at any evidence.

you are gaslighting only yourself.

We used to be #1 in the state, now #3 in the state. You can look at the graphs here and see our decline in last 10 years. Sure, our W schools may have 90% proficiency math/reading rates, but countywide the rates are 27% and 45%. You okay with those numbers?
Nationwide, we are ranked #141 by county. The same rating as Carroll County. There are 5 counties in West Virginia ranked better than us. No more making fun of WV schools.

https://www.publicschoolreview.com/maryland/montgomery-county-public-schools-school-district/2400480-school-district


If graduation rates are increasing, it is because we lowered our standards for it.
You set the bar low, you only get low output. The tech industry figured that out 10-15 years ago, that's why they left all those now vacant buildings along 270. That, and the fact that the other side of the river was more business friendly.

Personally I think the start of the fall came way back on Weast and that terrible math that my kids had to live through. 12 years after him (in theory his first year of graduates) is when you see those scores fall.

Now grant you, the MCPS system as a whole has lots to offer, but it means nothing when the majority of our students are not learning.

These are the MCAP scores. The state average is 19% and 36% respectively.

And this data is old. The most recent data is 46.5% and 55.3%. And everyone has acknowledged that those scores aren’t good enough, despite the improvement.

MCAP is a new test that has questionable merit. Since it's new and used in MD only we can only compare MCAP scores to earlier years it was given. This indicates a marked improvement. and MCPS is doing better than anyplace in the state. So it seems like MCPS isn't really a mess after all.

Ah, the old test is not valid argument…

Agree if they were using the PARC we could make a valid comparison but MCAP seems to have real issues still.

Yet no one has told us what the issues are with the test.

It tests standards, not the taught curriculum. That’s the main problem. The test scores mirror parental income just like every other standardized test.

What concerns me about this new test is how the results were so vastly different than PARCC which at least was proven test.

Well, since MCPS had one of the highest overall scores on both MCAP and PARCC it's safe to say MCPS is less of a mess than everywhere else in the state.

It’s one of the wealthiest counties in the country. It should be far outpacing everyone and it’s not.

It has 80,000 students whose families are now poor and/or have been poor during previous years when the students were in school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Having gone through a process with MCPS, i would advise to look at other school districts if you value safety, transparency, fairness, etc. It’s fine until something happens, then you will see what I am talking about.

You are telling the truth.

Without the Washington Post, Joel Beidleman is still a principal.

That tells you all about MCPS's process.

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You nailed it, but these posters are so married to selling this false narrative of decline that they refuse to look at any evidence.

you are gaslighting only yourself.

We used to be #1 in the state, now #3 in the state. You can look at the graphs here and see our decline in last 10 years. Sure, our W schools may have 90% proficiency math/reading rates, but countywide the rates are 27% and 45%. You okay with those numbers?
Nationwide, we are ranked #141 by county. The same rating as Carroll County. There are 5 counties in West Virginia ranked better than us. No more making fun of WV schools.

https://www.publicschoolreview.com/maryland/montgomery-county-public-schools-school-district/2400480-school-district


If graduation rates are increasing, it is because we lowered our standards for it.
You set the bar low, you only get low output. The tech industry figured that out 10-15 years ago, that's why they left all those now vacant buildings along 270. That, and the fact that the other side of the river was more business friendly.

Personally I think the start of the fall came way back on Weast and that terrible math that my kids had to live through. 12 years after him (in theory his first year of graduates) is when you see those scores fall.

Now grant you, the MCPS system as a whole has lots to offer, but it means nothing when the majority of our students are not learning.

These are the MCAP scores. The state average is 19% and 36% respectively.

And this data is old. The most recent data is 46.5% and 55.3%. And everyone has acknowledged that those scores aren’t good enough, despite the improvement.

MCAP is a new test that has questionable merit. Since it's new and used in MD only we can only compare MCAP scores to earlier years it was given. This indicates a marked improvement. and MCPS is doing better than anyplace in the state. So it seems like MCPS isn't really a mess after all.

Ah, the old test is not valid argument…

Agree if they were using the PARC we could make a valid comparison but MCAP seems to have real issues still.

Yet no one has told us what the issues are with the test.

It tests standards, not the taught curriculum. That’s the main problem. The test scores mirror parental income just like every other standardized test.

What concerns me about this new test is how the results were so vastly different than PARCC which at least was proven test.

Well, since MCPS had one of the highest overall scores on both MCAP and PARCC it's safe to say MCPS is less of a mess than everywhere else in the state.

It’s one of the wealthiest counties in the country. It should be far outpacing everyone and it’s not.

It has 80,000 students whose families are now poor and/or have been poor during previous years when the students were in school.

Poor is relative. These “poor” kids are often spoiled and coddled by parents. They are very entitled. They haven’t had all the expensive education opportunities of wealth families but the other opportunities are about the same.

It only takes $17 an hour to be in the top 1% of earners worldwide.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Having gone through a process with MCPS, i would advise to look at other school districts if you value safety, transparency, fairness, etc. It’s fine until something happens, then you will see what I am talking about.

You are telling the truth.

Without the Washington Post, Joel Beidleman is still a principal.

That tells you all about MCPS's process.

I know! They reported on those 30 anonymous complaints and that teacher who was sending him naked photos in text.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:


You nailed it, but these posters are so married to selling this false narrative of decline that they refuse to look at any evidence.

you are gaslighting only yourself.

We used to be #1 in the state, now #3 in the state. You can look at the graphs here and see our decline in last 10 years. Sure, our W schools may have 90% proficiency math/reading rates, but countywide the rates are 27% and 45%. You okay with those numbers?
Nationwide, we are ranked #141 by county. The same rating as Carroll County. There are 5 counties in West Virginia ranked better than us. No more making fun of WV schools.

https://www.publicschoolreview.com/maryland/montgomery-county-public-schools-school-district/2400480-school-district


If graduation rates are increasing, it is because we lowered our standards for it.
You set the bar low, you only get low output. The tech industry figured that out 10-15 years ago, that's why they left all those now vacant buildings along 270. That, and the fact that the other side of the river was more business friendly.

Personally I think the start of the fall came way back on Weast and that terrible math that my kids had to live through. 12 years after him (in theory his first year of graduates) is when you see those scores fall.

Now grant you, the MCPS system as a whole has lots to offer, but it means nothing when the majority of our students are not learning.

These are the MCAP scores. The state average is 19% and 36% respectively.

And this data is old. The most recent data is 46.5% and 55.3%. And everyone has acknowledged that those scores aren’t good enough, despite the improvement.

MCAP is a new test that has questionable merit. Since it's new and used in MD only we can only compare MCAP scores to earlier years it was given. This indicates a marked improvement. and MCPS is doing better than anyplace in the state. So it seems like MCPS isn't really a mess after all.

Ah, the old test is not valid argument…

Agree if they were using the PARC we could make a valid comparison but MCAP seems to have real issues still.

Yet no one has told us what the issues are with the test.

No issues with the test. The issues are with MCPS.

Since MCPS is outperforming 99% of the other school districts in the state that use this test, it's safe to assume that MCPS is crushing it!

Yes, MCAP may be flawed but MCPS is outperforming the other districts using it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Having gone through a process with MCPS, i would advise to look at other school districts if you value safety, transparency, fairness, etc. It’s fine until something happens, then you will see what I am talking about.

You are telling the truth.

Without the Washington Post, Joel Beidleman is still a principal.

That tells you all about MCPS's process.

The main difference is Paint Branch would have an effective principal and the super would be more or less the same as the one we have now. In other words, we're slightly worse off for all the drama.

[Anonymous]

No idea if OP is still around, but the state of the overall county system doesn’t matter to me nearly as much as individual experience of my kids when choosing a school. And our experience has been excellent, including working through an IEP and other special ed components.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My child has regularly dealt with comments due to her gender. A girl. You can’t do this, you’re a girl, you’ll fail because you are a girl, comments about body parts, I can go on and on. The teacher acknowledged it was a problem. Principal refused to do anything, pointed me to a bullying form. And I talked to a county administrator, who has since left because of the scandal, very nice on the phone but did nothing. Now if these comments were about anything other than her being a girl, the county would have cared. All MCPS cares about is equity, but not in raising the bar for kids who don’t have the support. They are focused on the appearance of equity, not providing a solid education to all. It’s broken. It’s exhausting. Doesn’t matter what I do, other than move my kid.

BS my girls never ever got anything but a fantastic stem education from MCPS>
MCPS has a great track record for women getting accepted to great colleges for math,science, CS, Eng, physics etc and medical school.

My girls went to MIT and Carnegie Mellon and GA tech from MCPS.

I have one now at the Blair magnet and my younger one at TPMS magnet. I feel the same, but as a family, we value and prioritize education for our children. I think that's why many struggle because they expect the county to raise their children. Anyhow, my kids are getting an excellent education from MCPS and this is available to anyone, but it does requires some parental involvement.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:


You nailed it, but these posters are so married to selling this false narrative of decline that they refuse to look at any evidence.

you are gaslighting only yourself.

We used to be #1 in the state, now #3 in the state. You can look at the graphs here and see our decline in last 10 years. Sure, our W schools may have 90% proficiency math/reading rates, but countywide the rates are 27% and 45%. You okay with those numbers?
Nationwide, we are ranked #141 by county. The same rating as Carroll County. There are 5 counties in West Virginia ranked better than us. No more making fun of WV schools.

https://www.publicschoolreview.com/maryland/montgomery-county-public-schools-school-district/2400480-school-district


If graduation rates are increasing, it is because we lowered our standards for it.
You set the bar low, you only get low output. The tech industry figured that out 10-15 years ago, that's why they left all those now vacant buildings along 270. That, and the fact that the other side of the river was more business friendly.

Personally I think the start of the fall came way back on Weast and that terrible math that my kids had to live through. 12 years after him (in theory his first year of graduates) is when you see those scores fall.

Now grant you, the MCPS system as a whole has lots to offer, but it means nothing when the majority of our students are not learning.

These are the MCAP scores. The state average is 19% and 36% respectively.

And this data is old. The most recent data is 46.5% and 55.3%. And everyone has acknowledged that those scores aren’t good enough, despite the improvement.

MCAP is a new test that has questionable merit. Since it's new and used in MD only we can only compare MCAP scores to earlier years it was given. This indicates a marked improvement. and MCPS is doing better than anyplace in the state. So it seems like MCPS isn't really a mess after all.

Ah, the old test is not valid argument…

Agree if they were using the PARC we could make a valid comparison but MCAP seems to have real issues still.

Yet no one has told us what the issues are with the test.

It tests standards, not the taught curriculum. That’s the main problem. The test scores mirror parental income just like every other standardized test.

What concerns me about this new test is how the results were so vastly different than PARCC which at least was proven test.

Well, since MCPS had one of the highest overall scores on both MCAP and PARCC it's safe to say MCPS is less of a mess than everywhere else in the state.

It’s one of the wealthiest counties in the country. It should be far outpacing everyone and it’s not.

It has 80,000 students whose families are now poor and/or have been poor during previous years when the students were in school.

Many of them are only 'poor' because they are earning in cash and not declaring their income. Montgomery County has an entire underground economy that is 'cash only'. Works well for families because they can garner benefits for being low-income, but still earn enough cash to live pretty well.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My child has regularly dealt with comments due to her gender. A girl. You can’t do this, you’re a girl, you’ll fail because you are a girl, comments about body parts, I can go on and on. The teacher acknowledged it was a problem. Principal refused to do anything, pointed me to a bullying form. And I talked to a county administrator, who has since left because of the scandal, very nice on the phone but did nothing. Now if these comments were about anything other than her being a girl, the county would have cared. All MCPS cares about is equity, but not in raising the bar for kids who don’t have the support. They are focused on the appearance of equity, not providing a solid education to all. It’s broken. It’s exhausting. Doesn’t matter what I do, other than move my kid.

BS my girls never ever got anything but a fantastic stem education from MCPS>
MCPS has a great track record for women getting accepted to great colleges for math,science, CS, Eng, physics etc and medical school.

My girls went to MIT and Carnegie Mellon and GA tech from MCPS.

When did your girls graduate? MCPS was a totally different school system 10 years ago. Heck, even in the last 5 years, there have been major changes (most of them not for the better).

If your girls graduated from MCPS several years ago, then it is a much different story. Also, how did they do when they got to MIT and CMU? Were the able to graduate and get jobs?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My child has regularly dealt with comments due to her gender. A girl. You can’t do this, you’re a girl, you’ll fail because you are a girl, comments about body parts, I can go on and on. The teacher acknowledged it was a problem. Principal refused to do anything, pointed me to a bullying form. And I talked to a county administrator, who has since left because of the scandal, very nice on the phone but did nothing. Now if these comments were about anything other than her being a girl, the county would have cared. All MCPS cares about is equity, but not in raising the bar for kids who don’t have the support. They are focused on the appearance of equity, not providing a solid education to all. It’s broken. It’s exhausting. Doesn’t matter what I do, other than move my kid.

BS my girls never ever got anything but a fantastic stem education from MCPS>
MCPS has a great track record for women getting accepted to great colleges for math,science, CS, Eng, physics etc and medical school.

My girls went to MIT and Carnegie Mellon and GA tech from MCPS.

I have one now at the Blair magnet and my younger one at TPMS magnet. I feel the same, but as a family, we value and prioritize education for our children. I think that's why many struggle because they expect the county to raise their children. Anyhow, my kids are getting an excellent education from MCPS and this is available to anyone, but it does requires some parental involvement.

+1000

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My child has regularly dealt with comments due to her gender. A girl. You can’t do this, you’re a girl, you’ll fail because you are a girl, comments about body parts, I can go on and on. The teacher acknowledged it was a problem. Principal refused to do anything, pointed me to a bullying form. And I talked to a county administrator, who has since left because of the scandal, very nice on the phone but did nothing. Now if these comments were about anything other than her being a girl, the county would have cared. All MCPS cares about is equity, but not in raising the bar for kids who don’t have the support. They are focused on the appearance of equity, not providing a solid education to all. It’s broken. It’s exhausting. Doesn’t matter what I do, other than move my kid.

BS my girls never ever got anything but a fantastic stem education from MCPS>
MCPS has a great track record for women getting accepted to great colleges for math,science, CS, Eng, physics etc and medical school.

My girls went to MIT and Carnegie Mellon and GA tech from MCPS.

When did your girls graduate? MCPS was a totally different school system 10 years ago. Heck, even in the last 5 years, there have been major changes (most of them not for the better).

If your girls graduated from MCPS several years ago, then it is a much different story. Also, how did they do when they got to MIT and CMU? Were the able to graduate and get jobs?

The demographics of the county have shifted over the past few decades, so student makeup is different, but the school system is pretty much the same.

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You nailed it, but these posters are so married to selling this false narrative of decline that they refuse to look at any evidence.

you are gaslighting only yourself.

We used to be #1 in the state, now #3 in the state. You can look at the graphs here and see our decline in last 10 years. Sure, our W schools may have 90% proficiency math/reading rates, but countywide the rates are 27% and 45%. You okay with those numbers?
Nationwide, we are ranked #141 by county. The same rating as Carroll County. There are 5 counties in West Virginia ranked better than us. No more making fun of WV schools.

https://www.publicschoolreview.com/maryland/montgomery-county-public-schools-school-district/2400480-school-district


If graduation rates are increasing, it is because we lowered our standards for it.
You set the bar low, you only get low output. The tech industry figured that out 10-15 years ago, that's why they left all those now vacant buildings along 270. That, and the fact that the other side of the river was more business friendly.

Personally I think the start of the fall came way back on Weast and that terrible math that my kids had to live through. 12 years after him (in theory his first year of graduates) is when you see those scores fall.

Now grant you, the MCPS system as a whole has lots to offer, but it means nothing when the majority of our students are not learning.

These are the MCAP scores. The state average is 19% and 36% respectively.

And this data is old. The most recent data is 46.5% and 55.3%. And everyone has acknowledged that those scores aren’t good enough, despite the improvement.

MCAP is a new test that has questionable merit. Since it's new and used in MD only we can only compare MCAP scores to earlier years it was given. This indicates a marked improvement. and MCPS is doing better than anyplace in the state. So it seems like MCPS isn't really a mess after all.

Ah, the old test is not valid argument…

Agree if they were using the PARC we could make a valid comparison but MCAP seems to have real issues still.

Yet no one has told us what the issues are with the test.

It tests standards, not the taught curriculum. That’s the main problem. The test scores mirror parental income just like every other standardized test.

What concerns me about this new test is how the results were so vastly different than PARCC which at least was proven test.

Well, since MCPS had one of the highest overall scores on both MCAP and PARCC it's safe to say MCPS is less of a mess than everywhere else in the state.

It’s one of the wealthiest counties in the country. It should be far outpacing everyone and it’s not.

It has 80,000 students whose families are now poor and/or have been poor during previous years when the students were in school.

Poor is relative. These “poor” kids are often spoiled and coddled by parents. They are very entitled. They haven’t had all the expensive education opportunities of wealth families but the other opportunities are about the same.

It only takes $17 an hour to be in the top 1% of earners worldwide.

We're not talking worldwide. We're talking US expectations. $17 an hour doesn't go very far in the DMV.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Having gone through a process with MCPS, i would advise to look at other school districts if you value safety, transparency, fairness, etc. It’s fine until something happens, then you will see what I am talking about.

You are telling the truth.

Without the Washington Post, Joel Beidleman is still a principal.

That tells you all about MCPS's process.

The main difference is Paint Branch would have an effective principal and the super would be more or less the same as the one we have now. In other words, we're slightly worse off for all the drama.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Having gone through a process with MCPS, i would advise to look at other school districts if you value safety, transparency, fairness, etc. It’s fine until something happens, then you will see what I am talking about.

You are telling the truth.

Without the Washington Post, Joel Beidleman is still a principal.

That tells you all about MCPS's process.

I know! They reported on those 30 anonymous complaints and that teacher who was sending him naked photos in text.

Thanks for your insight, Joel.