Seems like MCPS is a mess

[Anonymous]

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You nailed it, but these posters are so married to selling this false narrative of decline that they refuse to look at any evidence.

you are gaslighting only yourself.

We used to be #1 in the state, now #3 in the state. You can look at the graphs here and see our decline in last 10 years. Sure, our W schools may have 90% proficiency math/reading rates, but countywide the rates are 27% and 45%. You okay with those numbers?
Nationwide, we are ranked #141 by county. The same rating as Carroll County. There are 5 counties in West Virginia ranked better than us. No more making fun of WV schools.

https://www.publicschoolreview.com/maryland/montgomery-county-public-schools-school-district/2400480-school-district


If graduation rates are increasing, it is because we lowered our standards for it.
You set the bar low, you only get low output. The tech industry figured that out 10-15 years ago, that's why they left all those now vacant buildings along 270. That, and the fact that the other side of the river was more business friendly.

Personally I think the start of the fall came way back on Weast and that terrible math that my kids had to live through. 12 years after him (in theory his first year of graduates) is when you see those scores fall.

Now grant you, the MCPS system as a whole has lots to offer, but it means nothing when the majority of our students are not learning.

These are the MCAP scores. The state average is 19% and 36% respectively.

And this data is old. The most recent data is 46.5% and 55.3%. And everyone has acknowledged that those scores aren’t good enough, despite the improvement.

MCAP is a new test that has questionable merit. Since it's new and used in MD only we can only compare MCAP scores to earlier years it was given. This indicates a marked improvement. and MCPS is doing better than anyplace in the state. So it seems like MCPS isn't really a mess after all.

Ah, the old test is not valid argument…

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My child has regularly dealt with comments due to her gender. A girl. You can’t do this, you’re a girl, you’ll fail because you are a girl, comments about body parts, I can go on and on. The teacher acknowledged it was a problem. Principal refused to do anything, pointed me to a bullying form. And I talked to a county administrator, who has since left because of the scandal, very nice on the phone but did nothing. Now if these comments were about anything other than her being a girl, the county would have cared. All MCPS cares about is equity, but not in raising the bar for kids who don’t have the support. They are focused on the appearance of equity, not providing a solid education to all. It’s broken. It’s exhausting. Doesn’t matter what I do, other than move my kid.

BS my girls never ever got anything but a fantastic stem education from MCPS>
MCPS has a great track record for women getting accepted to great colleges for math,science, CS, Eng, physics etc and medical school.

My girls went to MIT and Carnegie Mellon and GA tech from MCPS.

That's impressive! I feel similarly. I have one kid in RMIB and another at Blair SMCS. These great opportunities are completely available to anyone who is interested. Still, county demographics are radically different than 30 years ago, and not everyone cares about college these days.

They are not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:


You nailed it, but these posters are so married to selling this false narrative of decline that they refuse to look at any evidence.

you are gaslighting only yourself.

We used to be #1 in the state, now #3 in the state. You can look at the graphs here and see our decline in last 10 years. Sure, our W schools may have 90% proficiency math/reading rates, but countywide the rates are 27% and 45%. You okay with those numbers?
Nationwide, we are ranked #141 by county. The same rating as Carroll County. There are 5 counties in West Virginia ranked better than us. No more making fun of WV schools.

https://www.publicschoolreview.com/maryland/montgomery-county-public-schools-school-district/2400480-school-district


If graduation rates are increasing, it is because we lowered our standards for it.
You set the bar low, you only get low output. The tech industry figured that out 10-15 years ago, that's why they left all those now vacant buildings along 270. That, and the fact that the other side of the river was more business friendly.

Personally I think the start of the fall came way back on Weast and that terrible math that my kids had to live through. 12 years after him (in theory his first year of graduates) is when you see those scores fall.

Now grant you, the MCPS system as a whole has lots to offer, but it means nothing when the majority of our students are not learning.

These are the MCAP scores. The state average is 19% and 36% respectively.

And this data is old. The most recent data is 46.5% and 55.3%. And everyone has acknowledged that those scores aren’t good enough, despite the improvement.

MCAP is a new test that has questionable merit. Since it's new and used in MD only we can only compare MCAP scores to earlier years it was given. This indicates a marked improvement. and MCPS is doing better than anyplace in the state. So it seems like MCPS isn't really a mess after all.

Ah, the old test is not valid argument…

They ALWAYS blame the test….

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:


You nailed it, but these posters are so married to selling this false narrative of decline that they refuse to look at any evidence.

you are gaslighting only yourself.

We used to be #1 in the state, now #3 in the state. You can look at the graphs here and see our decline in last 10 years. Sure, our W schools may have 90% proficiency math/reading rates, but countywide the rates are 27% and 45%. You okay with those numbers?
Nationwide, we are ranked #141 by county. The same rating as Carroll County. There are 5 counties in West Virginia ranked better than us. No more making fun of WV schools.

https://www.publicschoolreview.com/maryland/montgomery-county-public-schools-school-district/2400480-school-district


If graduation rates are increasing, it is because we lowered our standards for it.
You set the bar low, you only get low output. The tech industry figured that out 10-15 years ago, that's why they left all those now vacant buildings along 270. That, and the fact that the other side of the river was more business friendly.

Personally I think the start of the fall came way back on Weast and that terrible math that my kids had to live through. 12 years after him (in theory his first year of graduates) is when you see those scores fall.

Now grant you, the MCPS system as a whole has lots to offer, but it means nothing when the majority of our students are not learning.

These are the MCAP scores. The state average is 19% and 36% respectively.

And this data is old. The most recent data is 46.5% and 55.3%. And everyone has acknowledged that those scores aren’t good enough, despite the improvement.

MCAP is a new test that has questionable merit. Since it's new and used in MD only we can only compare MCAP scores to earlier years it was given. This indicates a marked improvement. and MCPS is doing better than anyplace in the state. So it seems like MCPS isn't really a mess after all.

Ah, the old test is not valid argument…

Agree if they were using the PARC we could make a valid comparison but MCAP seems to have real issues still.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My child has regularly dealt with comments due to her gender. A girl. You can’t do this, you’re a girl, you’ll fail because you are a girl, comments about body parts, I can go on and on. The teacher acknowledged it was a problem. Principal refused to do anything, pointed me to a bullying form. And I talked to a county administrator, who has since left because of the scandal, very nice on the phone but did nothing. Now if these comments were about anything other than her being a girl, the county would have cared. All MCPS cares about is equity, but not in raising the bar for kids who don’t have the support. They are focused on the appearance of equity, not providing a solid education to all. It’s broken. It’s exhausting. Doesn’t matter what I do, other than move my kid.

BS my girls never ever got anything but a fantastic stem education from MCPS>
MCPS has a great track record for women getting accepted to great colleges for math,science, CS, Eng, physics etc and medical school.

My girls went to MIT and Carnegie Mellon and GA tech from MCPS.

That's impressive! I feel similarly. I have one kid in RMIB and another at Blair SMCS. These great opportunities are completely available to anyone who is interested. Still, county demographics are radically different than 30 years ago, and not everyone cares about college these days.

+10000 so true!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:


You nailed it, but these posters are so married to selling this false narrative of decline that they refuse to look at any evidence.

you are gaslighting only yourself.

We used to be #1 in the state, now #3 in the state. You can look at the graphs here and see our decline in last 10 years. Sure, our W schools may have 90% proficiency math/reading rates, but countywide the rates are 27% and 45%. You okay with those numbers?
Nationwide, we are ranked #141 by county. The same rating as Carroll County. There are 5 counties in West Virginia ranked better than us. No more making fun of WV schools.

https://www.publicschoolreview.com/maryland/montgomery-county-public-schools-school-district/2400480-school-district


If graduation rates are increasing, it is because we lowered our standards for it.
You set the bar low, you only get low output. The tech industry figured that out 10-15 years ago, that's why they left all those now vacant buildings along 270. That, and the fact that the other side of the river was more business friendly.

Personally I think the start of the fall came way back on Weast and that terrible math that my kids had to live through. 12 years after him (in theory his first year of graduates) is when you see those scores fall.

Now grant you, the MCPS system as a whole has lots to offer, but it means nothing when the majority of our students are not learning.

These are the MCAP scores. The state average is 19% and 36% respectively.

And this data is old. The most recent data is 46.5% and 55.3%. And everyone has acknowledged that those scores aren’t good enough, despite the improvement.

MCAP is a new test that has questionable merit. Since it's new and used in MD only we can only compare MCAP scores to earlier years it was given. This indicates a marked improvement. and MCPS is doing better than anyplace in the state. So it seems like MCPS isn't really a mess after all.

Ah, the old test is not valid argument…

Agree if they were using the PARC we could make a valid comparison but MCAP seems to have real issues still.

Yet no one has told us what the issues are with the test.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My child has regularly dealt with comments due to her gender. A girl. You can’t do this, you’re a girl, you’ll fail because you are a girl, comments about body parts, I can go on and on. The teacher acknowledged it was a problem. Principal refused to do anything, pointed me to a bullying form. And I talked to a county administrator, who has since left because of the scandal, very nice on the phone but did nothing. Now if these comments were about anything other than her being a girl, the county would have cared. All MCPS cares about is equity, but not in raising the bar for kids who don’t have the support. They are focused on the appearance of equity, not providing a solid education to all. It’s broken. It’s exhausting. Doesn’t matter what I do, other than move my kid.

BS my girls never ever got anything but a fantastic stem education from MCPS>
MCPS has a great track record for women getting accepted to great colleges for math,science, CS, Eng, physics etc and medical school.

My girls went to MIT and Carnegie Mellon and GA tech from MCPS.

That's impressive! I feel similarly. I have one kid in RMIB and another at Blair SMCS. These great opportunities are completely available to anyone who is interested. Still, county demographics are radically different than 30 years ago, and not everyone cares about college these days.

Hilarious. I have a kid at RMIB and know of many qualified students just like her, who were not offered a seat.

I agree that RMIB is a great program, but there are not enough spots. So no, they are not ‘completely available to anyone who is interested’. That is a ridiculous claim.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:


You nailed it, but these posters are so married to selling this false narrative of decline that they refuse to look at any evidence.

you are gaslighting only yourself.

We used to be #1 in the state, now #3 in the state. You can look at the graphs here and see our decline in last 10 years. Sure, our W schools may have 90% proficiency math/reading rates, but countywide the rates are 27% and 45%. You okay with those numbers?
Nationwide, we are ranked #141 by county. The same rating as Carroll County. There are 5 counties in West Virginia ranked better than us. No more making fun of WV schools.

https://www.publicschoolreview.com/maryland/montgomery-county-public-schools-school-district/2400480-school-district


If graduation rates are increasing, it is because we lowered our standards for it.
You set the bar low, you only get low output. The tech industry figured that out 10-15 years ago, that's why they left all those now vacant buildings along 270. That, and the fact that the other side of the river was more business friendly.

Personally I think the start of the fall came way back on Weast and that terrible math that my kids had to live through. 12 years after him (in theory his first year of graduates) is when you see those scores fall.

Now grant you, the MCPS system as a whole has lots to offer, but it means nothing when the majority of our students are not learning.

These are the MCAP scores. The state average is 19% and 36% respectively.

And this data is old. The most recent data is 46.5% and 55.3%. And everyone has acknowledged that those scores aren’t good enough, despite the improvement.

MCAP is a new test that has questionable merit. Since it's new and used in MD only we can only compare MCAP scores to earlier years it was given. This indicates a marked improvement. and MCPS is doing better than anyplace in the state. So it seems like MCPS isn't really a mess after all.

Ah, the old test is not valid argument…

Agree if they were using the PARC we could make a valid comparison but MCAP seems to have real issues still.

Yet no one has told us what the issues are with the test.

No issues with the test. The issues are with MCPS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:


You nailed it, but these posters are so married to selling this false narrative of decline that they refuse to look at any evidence.

you are gaslighting only yourself.

We used to be #1 in the state, now #3 in the state. You can look at the graphs here and see our decline in last 10 years. Sure, our W schools may have 90% proficiency math/reading rates, but countywide the rates are 27% and 45%. You okay with those numbers?
Nationwide, we are ranked #141 by county. The same rating as Carroll County. There are 5 counties in West Virginia ranked better than us. No more making fun of WV schools.

https://www.publicschoolreview.com/maryland/montgomery-county-public-schools-school-district/2400480-school-district


If graduation rates are increasing, it is because we lowered our standards for it.
You set the bar low, you only get low output. The tech industry figured that out 10-15 years ago, that's why they left all those now vacant buildings along 270. That, and the fact that the other side of the river was more business friendly.

Personally I think the start of the fall came way back on Weast and that terrible math that my kids had to live through. 12 years after him (in theory his first year of graduates) is when you see those scores fall.

Now grant you, the MCPS system as a whole has lots to offer, but it means nothing when the majority of our students are not learning.

These are the MCAP scores. The state average is 19% and 36% respectively.

And this data is old. The most recent data is 46.5% and 55.3%. And everyone has acknowledged that those scores aren’t good enough, despite the improvement.

MCAP is a new test that has questionable merit. Since it's new and used in MD only we can only compare MCAP scores to earlier years it was given. This indicates a marked improvement. and MCPS is doing better than anyplace in the state. So it seems like MCPS isn't really a mess after all.

Ah, the old test is not valid argument…

They ALWAYS blame the test….

It's easy to do when it's an unproven test that most kids fail after having passed a widely used national tests only a year earlier.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:


You nailed it, but these posters are so married to selling this false narrative of decline that they refuse to look at any evidence.

you are gaslighting only yourself.

We used to be #1 in the state, now #3 in the state. You can look at the graphs here and see our decline in last 10 years. Sure, our W schools may have 90% proficiency math/reading rates, but countywide the rates are 27% and 45%. You okay with those numbers?
Nationwide, we are ranked #141 by county. The same rating as Carroll County. There are 5 counties in West Virginia ranked better than us. No more making fun of WV schools.

https://www.publicschoolreview.com/maryland/montgomery-county-public-schools-school-district/2400480-school-district


If graduation rates are increasing, it is because we lowered our standards for it.
You set the bar low, you only get low output. The tech industry figured that out 10-15 years ago, that's why they left all those now vacant buildings along 270. That, and the fact that the other side of the river was more business friendly.

Personally I think the start of the fall came way back on Weast and that terrible math that my kids had to live through. 12 years after him (in theory his first year of graduates) is when you see those scores fall.

Now grant you, the MCPS system as a whole has lots to offer, but it means nothing when the majority of our students are not learning.

These are the MCAP scores. The state average is 19% and 36% respectively.

And this data is old. The most recent data is 46.5% and 55.3%. And everyone has acknowledged that those scores aren’t good enough, despite the improvement.

MCAP is a new test that has questionable merit. Since it's new and used in MD only we can only compare MCAP scores to earlier years it was given. This indicates a marked improvement. and MCPS is doing better than anyplace in the state. So it seems like MCPS isn't really a mess after all.

Ah, the old test is not valid argument…

Agree if they were using the PARC we could make a valid comparison but MCAP seems to have real issues still.

Yet no one has told us what the issues are with the test.

No issues with the test. The issues are with MCPS.

Since MCPS is outperforming 99% of the other school districts in the state that use this test, it's safe to assume that MCPS is crushing it!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:


You nailed it, but these posters are so married to selling this false narrative of decline that they refuse to look at any evidence.

you are gaslighting only yourself.

We used to be #1 in the state, now #3 in the state. You can look at the graphs here and see our decline in last 10 years. Sure, our W schools may have 90% proficiency math/reading rates, but countywide the rates are 27% and 45%. You okay with those numbers?
Nationwide, we are ranked #141 by county. The same rating as Carroll County. There are 5 counties in West Virginia ranked better than us. No more making fun of WV schools.

https://www.publicschoolreview.com/maryland/montgomery-county-public-schools-school-district/2400480-school-district


If graduation rates are increasing, it is because we lowered our standards for it.
You set the bar low, you only get low output. The tech industry figured that out 10-15 years ago, that's why they left all those now vacant buildings along 270. That, and the fact that the other side of the river was more business friendly.

Personally I think the start of the fall came way back on Weast and that terrible math that my kids had to live through. 12 years after him (in theory his first year of graduates) is when you see those scores fall.

Now grant you, the MCPS system as a whole has lots to offer, but it means nothing when the majority of our students are not learning.

These are the MCAP scores. The state average is 19% and 36% respectively.

And this data is old. The most recent data is 46.5% and 55.3%. And everyone has acknowledged that those scores aren’t good enough, despite the improvement.

MCAP is a new test that has questionable merit. Since it's new and used in MD only we can only compare MCAP scores to earlier years it was given. This indicates a marked improvement. and MCPS is doing better than anyplace in the state. So it seems like MCPS isn't really a mess after all.

Ah, the old test is not valid argument…

Agree if they were using the PARC we could make a valid comparison but MCAP seems to have real issues still.

Yet no one has told us what the issues are with the test.

No issues with the test. The issues are with MCPS.

Since MCPS is outperforming 99% of the other school districts in the state that use this test, it's safe to assume that MCPS is crushing it!

True by their logic MCPS is actually doing great.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:


You nailed it, but these posters are so married to selling this false narrative of decline that they refuse to look at any evidence.

you are gaslighting only yourself.

We used to be #1 in the state, now #3 in the state. You can look at the graphs here and see our decline in last 10 years. Sure, our W schools may have 90% proficiency math/reading rates, but countywide the rates are 27% and 45%. You okay with those numbers?
Nationwide, we are ranked #141 by county. The same rating as Carroll County. There are 5 counties in West Virginia ranked better than us. No more making fun of WV schools.

https://www.publicschoolreview.com/maryland/montgomery-county-public-schools-school-district/2400480-school-district


If graduation rates are increasing, it is because we lowered our standards for it.
You set the bar low, you only get low output. The tech industry figured that out 10-15 years ago, that's why they left all those now vacant buildings along 270. That, and the fact that the other side of the river was more business friendly.

Personally I think the start of the fall came way back on Weast and that terrible math that my kids had to live through. 12 years after him (in theory his first year of graduates) is when you see those scores fall.

Now grant you, the MCPS system as a whole has lots to offer, but it means nothing when the majority of our students are not learning.

These are the MCAP scores. The state average is 19% and 36% respectively.

And this data is old. The most recent data is 46.5% and 55.3%. And everyone has acknowledged that those scores aren’t good enough, despite the improvement.

MCAP is a new test that has questionable merit. Since it's new and used in MD only we can only compare MCAP scores to earlier years it was given. This indicates a marked improvement. and MCPS is doing better than anyplace in the state. So it seems like MCPS isn't really a mess after all.

Ah, the old test is not valid argument…

Agree if they were using the PARC we could make a valid comparison but MCAP seems to have real issues still.

Yet no one has told us what the issues are with the test.

No issues with the test. The issues are with MCPS.

Since MCPS is outperforming 99% of the other school districts in the state that use this test, it's safe to assume that MCPS is crushing it!

There are 100 school districts in MD?

[Anonymous]

No dog in this fight but that’s not how percentages work

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No dog in this fight but that’s not how percentages work

How many school districts would you need in order to be better than fully 99% of them?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:


You nailed it, but these posters are so married to selling this false narrative of decline that they refuse to look at any evidence.

you are gaslighting only yourself.

We used to be #1 in the state, now #3 in the state. You can look at the graphs here and see our decline in last 10 years. Sure, our W schools may have 90% proficiency math/reading rates, but countywide the rates are 27% and 45%. You okay with those numbers?
Nationwide, we are ranked #141 by county. The same rating as Carroll County. There are 5 counties in West Virginia ranked better than us. No more making fun of WV schools.

https://www.publicschoolreview.com/maryland/montgomery-county-public-schools-school-district/2400480-school-district


If graduation rates are increasing, it is because we lowered our standards for it.
You set the bar low, you only get low output. The tech industry figured that out 10-15 years ago, that's why they left all those now vacant buildings along 270. That, and the fact that the other side of the river was more business friendly.

Personally I think the start of the fall came way back on Weast and that terrible math that my kids had to live through. 12 years after him (in theory his first year of graduates) is when you see those scores fall.

Now grant you, the MCPS system as a whole has lots to offer, but it means nothing when the majority of our students are not learning.

These are the MCAP scores. The state average is 19% and 36% respectively.

And this data is old. The most recent data is 46.5% and 55.3%. And everyone has acknowledged that those scores aren’t good enough, despite the improvement.

MCAP is a new test that has questionable merit. Since it's new and used in MD only we can only compare MCAP scores to earlier years it was given. This indicates a marked improvement. and MCPS is doing better than anyplace in the state. So it seems like MCPS isn't really a mess after all.

Ah, the old test is not valid argument…

Agree if they were using the PARC we could make a valid comparison but MCAP seems to have real issues still.

Yet no one has told us what the issues are with the test.

It tests standards, not the taught curriculum. That’s the main problem. The test scores mirror parental income just like every other standardized test.