COVID Lockdowns Were a Giant Experiment. It Was a Failure.

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Not really a “pandemic” if the government doesn’t notice open borders and a flood of unvaccinated people. Same people who couldn’t figure out it came from a Chinese facility.

We are dealing with really dumb people so it’s important to use discernment and skepticism which education used to develop but no longer has the ability.

Now people think that the government really has their best interests at heart, failing to recognize that they only want to look good. They don’t care about mental health because it’s hard to attribute mental health to a policy. Yet they care about how many old people die (who would have died anyway sooner rather than later) because a physical cause of death is easily attributable.

The government is so stupid they were calling it a pandemic but not noticing a wide open border. Clamping down on Airports and churches. Meanwhile BLM riots get no attention. So many false promises on the vaccine effectiveness. No harsh words for democrats forcing covid patients into nursing homes. Politicians photographed with no masks and forcing servers to wear masks. Now nobody listens to their booster recommendations (only 14 percent of adults getting them). The CDC has lost a lot of respect.

Waiting for you to be called MAGA…

Why are you waiting for this, do you think poster is MAGA?

No.
But I think that’s the stereotype for anyone who isn’t 100% pro covid measures

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You must not be dealing with the aftermath in your family. Also, what about learning from our mistakes? Not so easy to move on when people like you are in DENIAL.

I know four separate families where someone died from Covid. Two of them were parents of young children.

Sit down with your “dealing with the aftermath” bullshit.

I really don’t care that your child has a learning gap or whatever you are on about. They will get over it.

Maybe see a professional for help with your heinously insensitive obsession with this.

And I know 2 separate families with young children, where parents committed suicide due to lockdowns and losing their business. So you can take all the seats.

And, I know multiple people who have died of covid. We didn't have a real lockdown. Businesses were closed but loans and grants were available and if they could not float the business for a few months it probably was failing already, especially if they had no savings or they were spending too much. Or, they had depression and other issues prior. A health person does not commit suicide over their businesses being close a few weeks because of covid. And, a good business person would readjust what they are doing. Lots of businesses did and survived just fine.

How’s your kids’ virtual schooling going?

Extremely well. We went back in person this year, though I would have preferred another year. They did great in virtual, and doing great in person. Lots of benefits to virtual and we'd do it again, no issue. Would prefer a hybrid but it's not allowed. But, we would make any situation work, too bad you aren't willing. But, I'd do anything for mine.

I am very happy that normalcy is back for your kids!

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Anonymous wrote:Who is still obsessed and mad over “lockdowns” (which isn’t anything we ever did in this country anyway).

the National Guard wouldn’t let me sit in the park in April 2020.

What park was that, dearie?

I don’t remember any National Guard deployments related to Covid so I am going to call “bullshit” on this one.

Again, I don’t understand the obsession with this. As was previously stated, public health officials did the best they could with the information available at the time. And the goal was to not overwhelm hospitals— to slow the spread, not prevent people from getting sick. They just didn’t want people sick all at once. To that end, social distancing (not “lockdowns” we never had actual lockdowns) were largely effective. Somehow these obsessed people have moved the goalposts and think the objective was preventing people from getting it. That was never the stated objective.

Np. National guard was in Malcolm x park. Patrolling. Not letting people gather or sit. It was absolutely absurd and intimidating.

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"and not old, fat, useless people". Wow, what a value judgement. So an obese patient, or a 30 year old cancer patient and mother of 2, or a grandma raising her grandkids are useless? Or the recently retired teacher? All useless? And plenty of kids have been dying - many more than die from the flu. Also, guess who is most vulnerable to long-covid? Women at the prime of their lives.
We didn't have real lockdowns here in the US.

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Anonymous wrote:Apologies if this was already posted, but I came across this article from New York magazine that made me question the efficacy of lockdowns, and our whole response to the pandemic. Very much 20/20 hindsight, but the more I think about it, the angrier I get, especially with closing the schools.

Here’s a link, along with a key paragraph arguing that Sweden probably had the right response.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/covid-lockdowns-big-fail-joe-nocera-bethany-mclean-book-excerpt.html

So in attempting to gauge the value of lockdowns, the most appropriate way is to look not just at COVID deaths but at all deaths during the pandemic years. That’s known as the “excess deaths” — a measure of how many more people died than in a normal year. One authoritative accounting was compiled by The Spectator using data gathered by the OECD. It showed that during the first two years of the pandemic — 2020 and 2021 — the U.S. had 19 percent more deaths than it normally saw in two years’ time. For the U.K., there was a 10 percent rise. And for Sweden — one of the few countries that had refused to lock down its society — it was just 4 percent. An analysis by Bloomberg found broadly similar results. In other words, for all the criticism Sweden shouldered from the world’s public health officials for refusing to institute lockdowns, it wound up seeing a lower overall death rate during the pandemic than most peer nations that shut down schools and public gatherings. It is not unreasonable to conclude from the available data that the lockdowns led to more overall deaths in the U.S. than a policy that resembled Sweden’s would have.

This is a stupid take.

That was enlightening. Let me guess, you’re a COVID cultist who’s angry that your extreme precautions proved to be a waste of time and resources.

And you are a delusional, COVID-trauma-queen who needs to move the F on already.

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OP, you are a failure. Get a life.

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Not really a “pandemic” if the government doesn’t notice open borders and a flood of unvaccinated people. Same people who couldn’t figure out it came from a Chinese facility.

We are dealing with really dumb people so it’s important to use discernment and skepticism which education used to develop but no longer has the ability.

Now people think that the government really has their best interests at heart, failing to recognize that they only want to look good. They don’t care about mental health because it’s hard to attribute mental health to a policy. Yet they care about how many old people die (who would have died anyway sooner rather than later) because a physical cause of death is easily attributable.

The government is so stupid they were calling it a pandemic but not noticing a wide open border. Clamping down on Airports and churches. Meanwhile BLM riots get no attention. So many false promises on the vaccine effectiveness. No harsh words for democrats forcing covid patients into nursing homes. Politicians photographed with no masks and forcing servers to wear masks. Now nobody listens to their booster recommendations (only 14 percent of adults getting them). The CDC has lost a lot of respect.

Waiting for you to be called MAGA…

I am waiting to hear about the immigrants being young and healthy, so they did not present a risk to the general population.

Also, you can't get COVID at a music festival.

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Anonymous wrote:Who is still obsessed and mad over “lockdowns” (which isn’t anything we ever did in this country anyway).

the National Guard wouldn’t let me sit in the park in April 2020.

What park was that, dearie?

I don’t remember any National Guard deployments related to Covid so I am going to call “bullshit” on this one.

Again, I don’t understand the obsession with this. As was previously stated, public health officials did the best they could with the information available at the time. And the goal was to not overwhelm hospitals— to slow the spread, not prevent people from getting sick. They just didn’t want people sick all at once. To that end, social distancing (not “lockdowns” we never had actual lockdowns) were largely effective. Somehow these obsessed people have moved the goalposts and think the objective was preventing people from getting it. That was never the stated objective.

Np. National guard was in Malcolm x park. Patrolling. Not letting people gather or sit. It was absolutely absurd and intimidating.

DP. Virginia managed to keep the ABC stores open during COVID, but parks presented a serious risk to your health.

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You must not be dealing with the aftermath in your family. Also, what about learning from our mistakes? Not so easy to move on when people like you are in DENIAL.

I know four separate families where someone died from Covid. Two of them were parents of young children.

Sit down with your “dealing with the aftermath” bullshit.

I really don’t care that your child has a learning gap or whatever you are on about. They will get over it.

Maybe see a professional for help with your heinously insensitive obsession with this.

And I know 2 separate families with young children, where parents committed suicide due to lockdowns and losing their business. So you can take all the seats.

And, I know multiple people who have died of covid. We didn't have a real lockdown. Businesses were closed but loans and grants were available and if they could not float the business for a few months it probably was failing already, especially if they had no savings or they were spending too much. Or, they had depression and other issues prior. A health person does not commit suicide over their businesses being close a few weeks because of covid. And, a good business person would readjust what they are doing. Lots of businesses did and survived just fine.

DP. Wow. You are an absolutely horrible person. Yikes.

No one would commit suicide over Covid. Let’s be real. And, if they did not have enough money to get through a few months that’s on them. There was plenty of help.

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You must not be dealing with the aftermath in your family. Also, what about learning from our mistakes? Not so easy to move on when people like you are in DENIAL.

I know four separate families where someone died from Covid. Two of them were parents of young children.

Sit down with your “dealing with the aftermath” bullshit.

I really don’t care that your child has a learning gap or whatever you are on about. They will get over it.

Maybe see a professional for help with your heinously insensitive obsession with this.

And I know 2 separate families with young children, where parents committed suicide due to lockdowns and losing their business. So you can take all the seats.

And, I know multiple people who have died of covid. We didn't have a real lockdown. Businesses were closed but loans and grants were available and if they could not float the business for a few months it probably was failing already, especially if they had no savings or they were spending too much. Or, they had depression and other issues prior. A health person does not commit suicide over their businesses being close a few weeks because of covid. And, a good business person would readjust what they are doing. Lots of businesses did and survived just fine.

DP. Wow. You are an absolutely horrible person. Yikes.

Seriously! Just when you think you’ve seen it all here this quality individual rolls in….

I bet it’s the same poster who claims her kids are happy to still do virtual schooling. She shows up on every covid policies thread and claims there was no lockdown, and people who were affected by closures are just weaklings.

China had lockdowns. We had closures because of public health. Virtual school was fine.

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You must not be dealing with the aftermath in your family. Also, what about learning from our mistakes? Not so easy to move on when people like you are in DENIAL.

I know four separate families where someone died from Covid. Two of them were parents of young children.

Sit down with your “dealing with the aftermath” bullshit.

I really don’t care that your child has a learning gap or whatever you are on about. They will get over it.

Maybe see a professional for help with your heinously insensitive obsession with this.

And those families will get over the deaths. People die of a lot of things. Such is the way of life and death. Covid didn't rob humans of immortality.

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You must not be dealing with the aftermath in your family. Also, what about learning from our mistakes? Not so easy to move on when people like you are in DENIAL.

I know four separate families where someone died from Covid. Two of them were parents of young children.

Sit down with your “dealing with the aftermath” bullshit.

I really don’t care that your child has a learning gap or whatever you are on about. They will get over it.

Maybe see a professional for help with your heinously insensitive obsession with this.

And I know 2 separate families with young children, where parents committed suicide due to lockdowns and losing their business. So you can take all the seats.

And, I know multiple people who have died of covid. We didn't have a real lockdown. Businesses were closed but loans and grants were available and if they could not float the business for a few months it probably was failing already, especially if they had no savings or they were spending too much. Or, they had depression and other issues prior. A health person does not commit suicide over their businesses being close a few weeks because of covid. And, a good business person would readjust what they are doing. Lots of businesses did and survived just fine.

DP. Wow. You are an absolutely horrible person. Yikes.

No one would commit suicide over Covid. Let’s be real. And, if they did not have enough money to get through a few months that’s on them. There was plenty of help.

If people weren't healthy enough to navigate Covid, then that's on them. Thankfully we finally went back to this approach.

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The Amish did zero social distancing and zero vaccine. Zero excess death.

Notice how nobody want to study it or publicize it. No curiosity out of abject embarrassment of being exposed as stupid and damaging. Science at the cdc is dead.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who is still obsessed and mad over “lockdowns” (which isn’t anything we ever did in this country anyway).

the National Guard wouldn’t let me sit in the park in April 2020.

What park was that, dearie?

I don’t remember any National Guard deployments related to Covid so I am going to call “bullshit” on this one.

Again, I don’t understand the obsession with this. As was previously stated, public health officials did the best they could with the information available at the time. And the goal was to not overwhelm hospitals— to slow the spread, not prevent people from getting sick. They just didn’t want people sick all at once. To that end, social distancing (not “lockdowns” we never had actual lockdowns) were largely effective. Somehow these obsessed people have moved the goalposts and think the objective was preventing people from getting it. That was never the stated objective.

Np. National guard was in Malcolm x park. Patrolling. Not letting people gather or sit. It was absolutely absurd and intimidating.

DP. Virginia managed to keep the ABC stores open during COVID, but parks presented a serious risk to your health.

Our elementary school was closed for almost 8 months longer than bars and restaurants in our neighborhood. Even though children are less vulnerable than adults, teachers had vaccine priority from the beginning of that 8 months period, and it's a lot easier to mask while doing fractions than while eating and drinking.

It's this kind of thing that makes people want to talk about mistakes and how we'd do it differently. Or is our plan for the next pandemic to close schools and keep bars open again?

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly at this point who cares. We did the best we could under a unique and heretofore inexperienced event. This is for scientists to be studying to plan for future pandemics. Getting angry now is ridiculous.

The problem is we weren’t allowed to ask questions and dissenting views were discouraged. Anytime you’re not allowed to ask questions or push back on something you should be concerned. The climate at the time didn’t allow questioning of precautions.

There was NON STOP questioning of the precautions. It's just that at the time, when the wrong answer had a possible outcome of death, a large number of people were not in support of increasing risk.

I now believe--based on information we now have--that we could have reduced restrictions sooner. I also think it was understandable and appropriate that we didn't do thatat the time--based on limited information. Both of those thing can be true.

I hope we get really, REALLY good long-term studies from this pandemic, and I hope we can take lessons that will help in the next pandemic. But like PP, I see no value in being "angry" about Covid response. I wish people would let go of their anger, or desire to "win" the Covid Debate, so we can all move forward together with lessons learned.

You think it was understandable and appropriate that children could not return to school buildings on a full-time basis until the fall of 2021? Just trying to understand your position.

My DD was in HS in FCPS. Plain ordinary, non-SPED, no special priority. She was in a classroom FT, 4 days a week in March 2021. Now, that was our choice. She could have opted to finish the year virtually. We played the parent card and sent her back. But FCPS kids had that option. And FCPS was very late to return kids vs schools nationally.

I’m in Arlington and kids were only back 2 days per week from March - June 2021 and for shortened days at that. Because “equity.” I’m not even joking. Since some families would opt not to send their kids full time then no families could have their kids there more days. It was abysmal.

Well, you chose to live in Arlington. Brag about living in Arlington. It’s not all upside.

I’m in Prince William county and it was similar to how the Arlington poster described. It was optional and the vast majority did not go. My kids were usually the only ones in their classroom besides the teacher. Even with the teacher in the classroom, all learning was done on the school issued Chromebook. It was ridiculous.