COVID Lockdowns Were a Giant Experiment. It Was a Failure.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly at this point who cares. We did the best we could under a unique and heretofore inexperienced event. This is for scientists to be studying to plan for future pandemics. Getting angry now is ridiculous.

The problem is we weren’t allowed to ask questions and dissenting views were discouraged. Anytime you’re not allowed to ask questions or push back on something you should be concerned. The climate at the time didn’t allow questioning of precautions.

There was NON STOP questioning of the precautions. It's just that at the time, when the wrong answer had a possible outcome of death, a large number of people were not in support of increasing risk.

I now believe--based on information we now have--that we could have reduced restrictions sooner. I also think it was understandable and appropriate that we didn't do thatat the time--based on limited information. Both of those thing can be true.

I hope we get really, REALLY good long-term studies from this pandemic, and I hope we can take lessons that will help in the next pandemic. But like PP, I see no value in being "angry" about Covid response. I wish people would let go of their anger, or desire to "win" the Covid Debate, so we can all move forward together with lessons learned.

You think it was understandable and appropriate that children could not return to school buildings on a full-time basis until the fall of 2021? Just trying to understand your position.

My DD was in HS in FCPS. Plain ordinary, non-SPED, no special priority. She was in a classroom FT, 4 days a week in March 2021. Now, that was our choice. She could have opted to finish the year virtually. We played the parent card and sent her back. But FCPS kids had that option. And FCPS was very late to return kids vs schools nationally.

I’m in Arlington and kids were only back 2 days per week from March - June 2021 and for shortened days at that. Because “equity.” I’m not even joking. Since some families would opt not to send their kids full time then no families could have their kids there more days. It was abysmal.

Not it's because they were following the social distancing recommendations that were in place at that time.

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You must not be dealing with the aftermath in your family. Also, what about learning from our mistakes? Not so easy to move on when people like you are in DENIAL.

I know four separate families where someone died from Covid. Two of them were parents of young children.

Sit down with your “dealing with the aftermath” bullshit.

I really don’t care that your child has a learning gap or whatever you are on about. They will get over it.

Maybe see a professional for help with your heinously insensitive obsession with this.

And I know 2 separate families with young children, where parents committed suicide due to lockdowns and losing their business. So you can take all the seats.

And, I know multiple people who have died of covid. We didn't have a real lockdown. Businesses were closed but loans and grants were available and if they could not float the business for a few months it probably was failing already, especially if they had no savings or they were spending too much. Or, they had depression and other issues prior. A health person does not commit suicide over their businesses being close a few weeks because of covid. And, a good business person would readjust what they are doing. Lots of businesses did and survived just fine.

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Not really a “pandemic” if the government doesn’t notice open borders and a flood of unvaccinated people. Same people who couldn’t figure out it came from a Chinese facility.

We are dealing with really dumb people so it’s important to use discernment and skepticism which education used to develop but no longer has the ability.

Now people think that the government really has their best interests at heart, failing to recognize that they only want to look good. They don’t care about mental health because it’s hard to attribute mental health to a policy. Yet they care about how many old people die (who would have died anyway sooner rather than later) because a physical cause of death is easily attributable.

The government is so stupid they were calling it a pandemic but not noticing a wide open border. Clamping down on Airports and churches. Meanwhile BLM riots get no attention. So many false promises on the vaccine effectiveness. No harsh words for democrats forcing covid patients into nursing homes. Politicians photographed with no masks and forcing servers to wear masks. Now nobody listens to their booster recommendations (only 14 percent of adults getting them). The CDC has lost a lot of respect.

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Sure schools could have opened sooner if they had more resources, but in our area the same idiots who were calling for schools to open full time were also calling for them to open without any safety measures. That in my opinion held things up more. It was nuts.

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Anonymous wrote:Sure schools could have opened sooner if they had more resources, but in our area the same idiots who were calling for schools to open full time were also calling for them to open without any safety measures. That in my opinion held things up more. It was nuts.

What safety measures? It was a just talk to keep schools closed.

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Not really a “pandemic” if the government doesn’t notice open borders and a flood of unvaccinated people. Same people who couldn’t figure out it came from a Chinese facility.

We are dealing with really dumb people so it’s important to use discernment and skepticism which education used to develop but no longer has the ability.

Now people think that the government really has their best interests at heart, failing to recognize that they only want to look good. They don’t care about mental health because it’s hard to attribute mental health to a policy. Yet they care about how many old people die (who would have died anyway sooner rather than later) because a physical cause of death is easily attributable.

The government is so stupid they were calling it a pandemic but not noticing a wide open border. Clamping down on Airports and churches. Meanwhile BLM riots get no attention. So many false promises on the vaccine effectiveness. No harsh words for democrats forcing covid patients into nursing homes. Politicians photographed with no masks and forcing servers to wear masks. Now nobody listens to their booster recommendations (only 14 percent of adults getting them). The CDC has lost a lot of respect.

Waiting for you to be called MAGA…

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You must not be dealing with the aftermath in your family. Also, what about learning from our mistakes? Not so easy to move on when people like you are in DENIAL.

I know four separate families where someone died from Covid. Two of them were parents of young children.

Sit down with your “dealing with the aftermath” bullshit.

I really don’t care that your child has a learning gap or whatever you are on about. They will get over it.

Maybe see a professional for help with your heinously insensitive obsession with this.

And I know 2 separate families with young children, where parents committed suicide due to lockdowns and losing their business. So you can take all the seats.

And, I know multiple people who have died of covid. We didn't have a real lockdown. Businesses were closed but loans and grants were available and if they could not float the business for a few months it probably was failing already, especially if they had no savings or they were spending too much. Or, they had depression and other issues prior. A health person does not commit suicide over their businesses being close a few weeks because of covid. And, a good business person would readjust what they are doing. Lots of businesses did and survived just fine.

How’s your kids’ virtual schooling going?

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You must not be dealing with the aftermath in your family. Also, what about learning from our mistakes? Not so easy to move on when people like you are in DENIAL.

I know four separate families where someone died from Covid. Two of them were parents of young children.

Sit down with your “dealing with the aftermath” bullshit.

I really don’t care that your child has a learning gap or whatever you are on about. They will get over it.

Maybe see a professional for help with your heinously insensitive obsession with this.

And I know 2 separate families with young children, where parents committed suicide due to lockdowns and losing their business. So you can take all the seats.

And, I know multiple people who have died of covid. We didn't have a real lockdown. Businesses were closed but loans and grants were available and if they could not float the business for a few months it probably was failing already, especially if they had no savings or they were spending too much. Or, they had depression and other issues prior. A health person does not commit suicide over their businesses being close a few weeks because of covid. And, a good business person would readjust what they are doing. Lots of businesses did and survived just fine.

DP. Wow. You are an absolutely horrible person. Yikes.

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You must not be dealing with the aftermath in your family. Also, what about learning from our mistakes? Not so easy to move on when people like you are in DENIAL.

I know four separate families where someone died from Covid. Two of them were parents of young children.

Sit down with your “dealing with the aftermath” bullshit.

I really don’t care that your child has a learning gap or whatever you are on about. They will get over it.

Maybe see a professional for help with your heinously insensitive obsession with this.

And I know 2 separate families with young children, where parents committed suicide due to lockdowns and losing their business. So you can take all the seats.

And, I know multiple people who have died of covid. We didn't have a real lockdown. Businesses were closed but loans and grants were available and if they could not float the business for a few months it probably was failing already, especially if they had no savings or they were spending too much. Or, they had depression and other issues prior. A health person does not commit suicide over their businesses being close a few weeks because of covid. And, a good business person would readjust what they are doing. Lots of businesses did and survived just fine.

DP. Wow. You are an absolutely horrible person. Yikes.

Seriously! Just when you think you’ve seen it all here this quality individual rolls in….

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You must not be dealing with the aftermath in your family. Also, what about learning from our mistakes? Not so easy to move on when people like you are in DENIAL.

I know four separate families where someone died from Covid. Two of them were parents of young children.

Sit down with your “dealing with the aftermath” bullshit.

I really don’t care that your child has a learning gap or whatever you are on about. They will get over it.

Maybe see a professional for help with your heinously insensitive obsession with this.

And I know 2 separate families with young children, where parents committed suicide due to lockdowns and losing their business. So you can take all the seats.

And, I know multiple people who have died of covid. We didn't have a real lockdown. Businesses were closed but loans and grants were available and if they could not float the business for a few months it probably was failing already, especially if they had no savings or they were spending too much. Or, they had depression and other issues prior. A health person does not commit suicide over their businesses being close a few weeks because of covid. And, a good business person would readjust what they are doing. Lots of businesses did and survived just fine.

DP. Wow. You are an absolutely horrible person. Yikes.

Seriously! Just when you think you’ve seen it all here this quality individual rolls in….

I bet it’s the same poster who claims her kids are happy to still do virtual schooling. She shows up on every covid policies thread and claims there was no lockdown, and people who were affected by closures are just weaklings.

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Not really a “pandemic” if the government doesn’t notice open borders and a flood of unvaccinated people. Same people who couldn’t figure out it came from a Chinese facility.

We are dealing with really dumb people so it’s important to use discernment and skepticism which education used to develop but no longer has the ability.

Now people think that the government really has their best interests at heart, failing to recognize that they only want to look good. They don’t care about mental health because it’s hard to attribute mental health to a policy. Yet they care about how many old people die (who would have died anyway sooner rather than later) because a physical cause of death is easily attributable.

The government is so stupid they were calling it a pandemic but not noticing a wide open border. Clamping down on Airports and churches. Meanwhile BLM riots get no attention. So many false promises on the vaccine effectiveness. No harsh words for democrats forcing covid patients into nursing homes. Politicians photographed with no masks and forcing servers to wear masks. Now nobody listens to their booster recommendations (only 14 percent of adults getting them). The CDC has lost a lot of respect.

Waiting for you to be called MAGA…

Well, Trump did play a big factor in MAGA rejecting masking. Because Trump literally refused to wear a mask, etc. I always thought he would have saved 100,000 lives and made a fortune if he’d mass produced MAGA masks and worn one himself to own the libs. He might have even won reelection. So yeah. This doesn’t fall out in the Dems we’re all wrong way the way PP thinks. PP wants to bash BLM protestors, but I don’t see the 1/6 folks mentioned. Dems were also more pro vaxx and less likely to die. Lots of blame to go around, but most people want to point fingers at the other side. Which is less than useless. And I say less than useless, because it makes people resistant to acknowledging the things we got right (see also, rapid vaccine development, and, yes, closing schools in 3/2020 until we were sure there kids weren’t the primary targets and we had some ability to test and mitigate). Imagine if next virus has a polio like affinity for young kids and we don’t close schools for even a short period of time to assess and take reasonable precautions because some places took school closures wayyyyy too far? Does the 1.1 million number still seem okay when it’s Kindergradeners and not old, fat, useless people?

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Anonymous wrote:
Not really a “pandemic” if the government doesn’t notice open borders and a flood of unvaccinated people. Same people who couldn’t figure out it came from a Chinese facility.

We are dealing with really dumb people so it’s important to use discernment and skepticism which education used to develop but no longer has the ability.

Now people think that the government really has their best interests at heart, failing to recognize that they only want to look good. They don’t care about mental health because it’s hard to attribute mental health to a policy. Yet they care about how many old people die (who would have died anyway sooner rather than later) because a physical cause of death is easily attributable.

The government is so stupid they were calling it a pandemic but not noticing a wide open border. Clamping down on Airports and churches. Meanwhile BLM riots get no attention. So many false promises on the vaccine effectiveness. No harsh words for democrats forcing covid patients into nursing homes. Politicians photographed with no masks and forcing servers to wear masks. Now nobody listens to their booster recommendations (only 14 percent of adults getting them). The CDC has lost a lot of respect.

Waiting for you to be called MAGA…

Why are you waiting for this, do you think poster is MAGA?

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You must not be dealing with the aftermath in your family. Also, what about learning from our mistakes? Not so easy to move on when people like you are in DENIAL.

I know four separate families where someone died from Covid. Two of them were parents of young children.

Sit down with your “dealing with the aftermath” bullshit.

I really don’t care that your child has a learning gap or whatever you are on about. They will get over it.

Maybe see a professional for help with your heinously insensitive obsession with this.

And I know 2 separate families with young children, where parents committed suicide due to lockdowns and losing their business. So you can take all the seats.

And, I know multiple people who have died of covid. We didn't have a real lockdown. Businesses were closed but loans and grants were available and if they could not float the business for a few months it probably was failing already, especially if they had no savings or they were spending too much. Or, they had depression and other issues prior. A health person does not commit suicide over their businesses being close a few weeks because of covid. And, a good business person would readjust what they are doing. Lots of businesses did and survived just fine.

DP. Wow. You are an absolutely horrible person. Yikes.

Oh please what poster said was not so shocking that you need to express some sort of moral outrage. Your outrage is just a rhetorical trick to end conversation on your post, as if questioning what you said is out of the line of decency.

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You must not be dealing with the aftermath in your family. Also, what about learning from our mistakes? Not so easy to move on when people like you are in DENIAL.

I know four separate families where someone died from Covid. Two of them were parents of young children.

Sit down with your “dealing with the aftermath” bullshit.

I really don’t care that your child has a learning gap or whatever you are on about. They will get over it.

Maybe see a professional for help with your heinously insensitive obsession with this.

And I know 2 separate families with young children, where parents committed suicide due to lockdowns and losing their business. So you can take all the seats.

And, I know multiple people who have died of covid. We didn't have a real lockdown. Businesses were closed but loans and grants were available and if they could not float the business for a few months it probably was failing already, especially if they had no savings or they were spending too much. Or, they had depression and other issues prior. A health person does not commit suicide over their businesses being close a few weeks because of covid. And, a good business person would readjust what they are doing. Lots of businesses did and survived just fine.

DP. Wow. You are an absolutely horrible person. Yikes.

Seriously! Just when you think you’ve seen it all here this quality individual rolls in….

Piling on the faux moral outrage are you? Oh now. We can't question the post she responded to, that is indecent!

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You must not be dealing with the aftermath in your family. Also, what about learning from our mistakes? Not so easy to move on when people like you are in DENIAL.

I know four separate families where someone died from Covid. Two of them were parents of young children.

Sit down with your “dealing with the aftermath” bullshit.

I really don’t care that your child has a learning gap or whatever you are on about. They will get over it.

Maybe see a professional for help with your heinously insensitive obsession with this.

And I know 2 separate families with young children, where parents committed suicide due to lockdowns and losing their business. So you can take all the seats.

And, I know multiple people who have died of covid. We didn't have a real lockdown. Businesses were closed but loans and grants were available and if they could not float the business for a few months it probably was failing already, especially if they had no savings or they were spending too much. Or, they had depression and other issues prior. A health person does not commit suicide over their businesses being close a few weeks because of covid. And, a good business person would readjust what they are doing. Lots of businesses did and survived just fine.

How’s your kids’ virtual schooling going?

Extremely well. We went back in person this year, though I would have preferred another year. They did great in virtual, and doing great in person. Lots of benefits to virtual and we'd do it again, no issue. Would prefer a hybrid but it's not allowed. But, we would make any situation work, too bad you aren't willing. But, I'd do anything for mine.