COVID Lockdowns Were a Giant Experiment. It Was a Failure.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly at this point who cares. We did the best we could under a unique and heretofore inexperienced event. This is for scientists to be studying to plan for future pandemics. Getting angry now is ridiculous.

The problem is we weren’t allowed to ask questions and dissenting views were discouraged. Anytime you’re not allowed to ask questions or push back on something you should be concerned. The climate at the time didn’t allow questioning of precautions.

There was NON STOP questioning of the precautions. It's just that at the time, when the wrong answer had a possible outcome of death, a large number of people were not in support of increasing risk.

I now believe--based on information we now have--that we could have reduced restrictions sooner. I also think it was understandable and appropriate that we didn't do thatat the time--based on limited information. Both of those thing can be true.

I hope we get really, REALLY good long-term studies from this pandemic, and I hope we can take lessons that will help in the next pandemic. But like PP, I see no value in being "angry" about Covid response. I wish people would let go of their anger, or desire to "win" the Covid Debate, so we can all move forward together with lessons learned.

You think it was understandable and appropriate that children could not return to school buildings on a full-time basis until the fall of 2021? Just trying to understand your position.

My DD was in HS in FCPS. Plain ordinary, non-SPED, no special priority. She was in a classroom FT, 4 days a week in March 2021. Now, that was our choice. She could have opted to finish the year virtually. We played the parent card and sent her back. But FCPS kids had that option. And FCPS was very late to return kids vs schools nationally.

I’m in Arlington and kids were only back 2 days per week from March - June 2021 and for shortened days at that. Because “equity.” I’m not even joking. Since some families would opt not to send their kids full time then no families could have their kids there more days. It was abysmal.

Well, you chose to live in Arlington. Brag about living in Arlington. It’s not all upside.

I’m in Prince William county and it was similar to how the Arlington poster described. It was optional and the vast majority did not go. My kids were usually the only ones in their classroom besides the teacher. Even with the teacher in the classroom, all learning was done on the school issued Chromebook. It was ridiculous.

At our FCPS ES, there was enough space to go from two days to four days in-person. I'm glad they allowed that. It was early spring so my kids got several months of classroom time (even it was hamstrung by the virtual nonsense), lunch with kids, recess, etc.

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It was a real eye opener watching the public doing a ridiculous and illogical line-dance out of fear. A real life twilight zone episode. The CDC and government were sending mixed signals, nonsensical omissions, ridiculous on its face procedures and false vaccine promises of effectiveness. Not sure what it was but the combo of fear, hysteria, weak intellect / critical thinking and discernment was exposed and nothing will be the same.

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You must not be dealing with the aftermath in your family. Also, what about learning from our mistakes? Not so easy to move on when people like you are in DENIAL.

I know four separate families where someone died from Covid. Two of them were parents of young children.

Sit down with your “dealing with the aftermath” bullshit.

I really don’t care that your child has a learning gap or whatever you are on about. They will get over it.

Maybe see a professional for help with your heinously insensitive obsession with this.

And I know 2 separate families with young children, where parents committed suicide due to lockdowns and losing their business. So you can take all the seats.

And, I know multiple people who have died of covid. We didn't have a real lockdown. Businesses were closed but loans and grants were available and if they could not float the business for a few months it probably was failing already, especially if they had no savings or they were spending too much. Or, they had depression and other issues prior. A health person does not commit suicide over their businesses being close a few weeks because of covid. And, a good business person would readjust what they are doing. Lots of businesses did and survived just fine.

DP. Wow. You are an absolutely horrible person. Yikes.

No one would commit suicide over Covid. Let’s be real. And, if they did not have enough money to get through a few months that’s on them. There was plenty of help.

Let’s be real? You first. Your delusions are really something.

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You must not be dealing with the aftermath in your family. Also, what about learning from our mistakes? Not so easy to move on when people like you are in DENIAL.

I know four separate families where someone died from Covid. Two of them were parents of young children.

Sit down with your “dealing with the aftermath” bullshit.

I really don’t care that your child has a learning gap or whatever you are on about. They will get over it.

Maybe see a professional for help with your heinously insensitive obsession with this.

And I know 2 separate families with young children, where parents committed suicide due to lockdowns and losing their business. So you can take all the seats.

And, I know multiple people who have died of covid. We didn't have a real lockdown. Businesses were closed but loans and grants were available and if they could not float the business for a few months it probably was failing already, especially if they had no savings or they were spending too much. Or, they had depression and other issues prior. A health person does not commit suicide over their businesses being close a few weeks because of covid. And, a good business person would readjust what they are doing. Lots of businesses did and survived just fine.

DP. Wow. You are an absolutely horrible person. Yikes.

No one would commit suicide over Covid. Let’s be real. And, if they did not have enough money to get through a few months that’s on them. There was plenty of help.

Let’s be real? You first. Your delusions are really something.

It’s delusional to commit suicide over Covid. There had to be more going on. Be real. A business does not fail after a few weeks.

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The Amish did zero social distancing and zero vaccine. Zero excess death.

Notice how nobody want to study it or publicize it. No curiosity out of abject embarrassment of being exposed as stupid and damaging. Science at the cdc is dead.

Of course they had deaths.

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You must not be dealing with the aftermath in your family. Also, what about learning from our mistakes? Not so easy to move on when people like you are in DENIAL.

I know four separate families where someone died from Covid. Two of them were parents of young children.

Sit down with your “dealing with the aftermath” bullshit.

I really don’t care that your child has a learning gap or whatever you are on about. They will get over it.

Maybe see a professional for help with your heinously insensitive obsession with this.

And I know 2 separate families with young children, where parents committed suicide due to lockdowns and losing their business. So you can take all the seats.

And, I know multiple people who have died of covid. We didn't have a real lockdown. Businesses were closed but loans and grants were available and if they could not float the business for a few months it probably was failing already, especially if they had no savings or they were spending too much. Or, they had depression and other issues prior. A health person does not commit suicide over their businesses being close a few weeks because of covid. And, a good business person would readjust what they are doing. Lots of businesses did and survived just fine.

DP. Wow. You are an absolutely horrible person. Yikes.

No one would commit suicide over Covid. Let’s be real. And, if they did not have enough money to get through a few months that’s on them. There was plenty of help.

Let’s be real? You first. Your delusions are really something.

It’s delusional to commit suicide over Covid. There had to be more going on. Be real. A business does not fail after a few weeks.

There is more going ok when people die of covid too. What is your point? You really think some are more valuable than others. Bars were closed longer than a few weeks, if you recall. Try arguing with facts.

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You must not be dealing with the aftermath in your family. Also, what about learning from our mistakes? Not so easy to move on when people like you are in DENIAL.

I know four separate families where someone died from Covid. Two of them were parents of young children.

Sit down with your “dealing with the aftermath” bullshit.

I really don’t care that your child has a learning gap or whatever you are on about. They will get over it.

Maybe see a professional for help with your heinously insensitive obsession with this.

And those families will get over the deaths. People die of a lot of things. Such is the way of life and death. Covid didn't rob humans of immortality.

Kids had learning gaps as parents did not work with them and have them attend. Years later the same parents are screaming learning loss still. In person has been back two years. My kids did virtual for three. We made it work. I’d rather have kids virtual than have someone lose a loved one vv

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The Amish did zero social distancing and zero vaccine. Zero excess death.

Notice how nobody want to study it or publicize it. No curiosity out of abject embarrassment of being exposed as stupid and damaging. Science at the cdc is dead.

Of course they had deaths.

Not in excess of the general public. Needs a 60 minutes style blockbuster airing.

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Not really a “pandemic” if the government doesn’t notice open borders and a flood of unvaccinated people. Same people who couldn’t figure out it came from a Chinese facility.

We are dealing with really dumb people so it’s important to use discernment and skepticism which education used to develop but no longer has the ability.

Now people think that the government really has their best interests at heart, failing to recognize that they only want to look good. They don’t care about mental health because it’s hard to attribute mental health to a policy. Yet they care about how many old people die (who would have died anyway sooner rather than later) because a physical cause of death is easily attributable.

The government is so stupid they were calling it a pandemic but not noticing a wide open border. Clamping down on Airports and churches. Meanwhile BLM riots get no attention. So many false promises on the vaccine effectiveness. No harsh words for democrats forcing covid patients into nursing homes. Politicians photographed with no masks and forcing servers to wear masks. Now nobody listens to their booster recommendations (only 14 percent of adults getting them). The CDC has lost a lot of respect.

Waiting for you to be called MAGA…

Well, Trump did play a big factor in MAGA rejecting masking. Because Trump literally refused to wear a mask, etc. I always thought he would have saved 100,000 lives and made a fortune if he’d mass produced MAGA masks and worn one himself to own the libs. He might have even won reelection. So yeah. This doesn’t fall out in the Dems we’re all wrong way the way PP thinks. PP wants to bash BLM protestors, but I don’t see the 1/6 folks mentioned. Dems were also more pro vaxx and less likely to die. Lots of blame to go around, but most people want to point fingers at the other side. Which is less than useless. And I say less than useless, because it makes people resistant to acknowledging the things we got right (see also, rapid vaccine development, and, yes, closing schools in 3/2020 until we were sure there kids weren’t the primary targets and we had some ability to test and mitigate). Imagine if next virus has a polio like affinity for young kids and we don’t close schools for even a short period of time to assess and take reasonable precautions because some places took school closures wayyyyy too far? Does the 1.1 million number still seem okay when it’s Kindergradeners and not old, fat, useless people?

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It’s like he wanted to throw away the election. He did everything possible to create division and chaos. If he had brought the country together during that time (like Bush after 9/11) he would have easily won. Unforced error.

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Anonymous wrote:Sure schools could have opened sooner if they had more resources, but in our area the same idiots who were calling for schools to open full time were also calling for them to open without any safety measures. That in my opinion held things up more. It was nuts.

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Then they were anti-mask. WTF? So illogical.

They seem to have some kind of oppositional disorder.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly at this point who cares. We did the best we could under a unique and heretofore inexperienced event. This is for scientists to be studying to plan for future pandemics. Getting angry now is ridiculous.

The problem is we weren’t allowed to ask questions and dissenting views were discouraged. Anytime you’re not allowed to ask questions or push back on something you should be concerned. The climate at the time didn’t allow questioning of precautions.

There was NON STOP questioning of the precautions. It's just that at the time, when the wrong answer had a possible outcome of death, a large number of people were not in support of increasing risk.

I now believe--based on information we now have--that we could have reduced restrictions sooner. I also think it was understandable and appropriate that we didn't do thatat the time--based on limited information. Both of those thing can be true.

I hope we get really, REALLY good long-term studies from this pandemic, and I hope we can take lessons that will help in the next pandemic. But like PP, I see no value in being "angry" about Covid response. I wish people would let go of their anger, or desire to "win" the Covid Debate, so we can all move forward together with lessons learned.

You think it was understandable and appropriate that children could not return to school buildings on a full-time basis until the fall of 2021? Just trying to understand your position.

My DD was in HS in FCPS. Plain ordinary, non-SPED, no special priority. She was in a classroom FT, 4 days a week in March 2021. Now, that was our choice. She could have opted to finish the year virtually. We played the parent card and sent her back. But FCPS kids had that option. And FCPS was very late to return kids vs schools nationally.

I’m in Arlington and kids were only back 2 days per week from March - June 2021 and for shortened days at that. Because “equity.” I’m not even joking. Since some families would opt not to send their kids full time then no families could have their kids there more days. It was abysmal.

Not it's because they were following the social distancing recommendations that were in place at that time.

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Arlington also tried to allow as many families as possible to change their mode from virtual to in-person. But even with the 3’ distancing there were physical constraints on classrooms, cafeterias, buses, etc. Many schools were already overcrowded.

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Anonymous wrote:It was a real eye opener watching the public doing a ridiculous and illogical line-dance out of fear. A real life twilight zone episode. The CDC and government were sending mixed signals, nonsensical omissions, ridiculous on its face procedures and false vaccine promises of effectiveness. Not sure what it was but the combo of fear, hysteria, weak intellect / critical thinking and discernment was exposed and nothing will be the same.

I take it you had no loved ones who died of Covid or were on the front lines working in hospitals to care for Covid patients. What privilege.

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Anonymous wrote:Who is still obsessed and mad over “lockdowns” (which isn’t anything we ever did in this country anyway).

the National Guard wouldn’t let me sit in the park in April 2020.

What park was that, dearie?

I don’t remember any National Guard deployments related to Covid so I am going to call “bullshit” on this one.

Again, I don’t understand the obsession with this. As was previously stated, public health officials did the best they could with the information available at the time. And the goal was to not overwhelm hospitals— to slow the spread, not prevent people from getting sick. They just didn’t want people sick all at once. To that end, social distancing (not “lockdowns” we never had actual lockdowns) were largely effective. Somehow these obsessed people have moved the goalposts and think the objective was preventing people from getting it. That was never the stated objective.

Np. National guard was in Malcolm x park. Patrolling. Not letting people gather or sit. It was absolutely absurd and intimidating.

I provided multiple sources confirming this but PP still thinks it’s a lie. Given that the DC order expressly ordered everyone in DC to “stay in their residence” I’m not sure who they think they are fooling: https://coronavirus.dc.gov/stayhome#:~:text=Due%20to%20the%20outbreak%20of,emergency%20and%20public%20health%20emergency.

It’s actually really chilling to read that order. The government confined everyone to their houses! With a narrow exemption for “recreation” but I could have been arrested for taking a walk with a friend.

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Anonymous wrote:It was a real eye opener watching the public doing a ridiculous and illogical line-dance out of fear. A real life twilight zone episode. The CDC and government were sending mixed signals, nonsensical omissions, ridiculous on its face procedures and false vaccine promises of effectiveness. Not sure what it was but the combo of fear, hysteria, weak intellect / critical thinking and discernment was exposed and nothing will be the same.

I take it you had no loved ones who died of Covid or were on the front lines working in hospitals to care for Covid patients. What privilege.

How does that negate anything PP said?