Disruptive student in class

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Every kid who disrupts class should be moved into online-only classes and stay home

You hit or are physically aggressive twice in class, you’re should be on your last strike (no, they won’t do it for one occurrence). Third strike, you should be moved to state virtual learning fir the year. Make violent, disruptive kids their parents’ full-time problem and see how fast the action they “can’t” take magically gets taken.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Every kid who disrupts class should be moved into online-only classes and stay home

You are a horrible human being. A young child that is unable to control their impulses and has behavior issues has a disability. They are not behaving poorly on purpose. Luckily children with disabilities have a right to the same public education as their non disabled peers. The solution is not to punish the child or remove the child from society; the solution is to provide the necessary support and medical assistance that the child requires.

You are a horrible human being for forcing the child into a classroom and setting him up for failure.

The child can learn how to control his impulses and THEN return to the classroom.

Until then, online school is a fantastic alternative option.

Luckily that’s not how IDEA works. Does it sound like there’s a legitimate problem? Absolutely. The school should bring in additional support to the classroom. The parents of neurotypical kids in this thread should be pushing the school district to do that, rather than sending this unsupported child with a presumed developmental disability home (or, as one poster suggested, jail).

Why is this the school’s problem?

Because they have an obligation to educate children, even those with special needs, in the least restrictive environment. And based on the offensive and ignorant comments in this thread, I'm very glad this obligation is ingrained in state and federal law.

If you’re hitting people, you aren’t in the appropriate LRE. Next.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Every kid who disrupts class should be moved into online-only classes and stay home

You are a horrible human being. A young child that is unable to control their impulses and has behavior issues has a disability. They are not behaving poorly on purpose. Luckily children with disabilities have a right to the same public education as their non disabled peers. The solution is not to punish the child or remove the child from society; the solution is to provide the necessary support and medical assistance that the child requires.

You are a horrible human being for forcing the child into a classroom and setting him up for failure.

The child can learn how to control his impulses and THEN return to the classroom.

Until then, online school is a fantastic alternative option.

Luckily that’s not how IDEA works. Does it sound like there’s a legitimate problem? Absolutely. The school should bring in additional support to the classroom. The parents of neurotypical kids in this thread should be pushing the school district to do that, rather than sending this unsupported child with a presumed developmental disability home (or, as one poster suggested, jail).

Why is this the school’s problem?

Because they have an obligation to educate children, even those with special needs, in the least restrictive environment. And based on the offensive and ignorant comments in this thread, I'm very glad this obligation is ingrained in state and federal law.

Why are you dismissing online education when it actually makes the most sense?

Who is going to supervise this child in an online environment? Are you assuming that anyone that needs behavioral support has a SAHP?

They aren’t entitled to childcare.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Every kid who disrupts class should be moved into online-only classes and stay home

You are a horrible human being. A young child that is unable to control their impulses and has behavior issues has a disability. They are not behaving poorly on purpose. Luckily children with disabilities have a right to the same public education as their non disabled peers. The solution is not to punish the child or remove the child from society; the solution is to provide the necessary support and medical assistance that the child requires.

You are a horrible human being for forcing the child into a classroom and setting him up for failure.

The child can learn how to control his impulses and THEN return to the classroom.

Until then, online school is a fantastic alternative option.

Luckily that’s not how IDEA works. Does it sound like there’s a legitimate problem? Absolutely. The school should bring in additional support to the classroom. The parents of neurotypical kids in this thread should be pushing the school district to do that, rather than sending this unsupported child with a presumed developmental disability home (or, as one poster suggested, jail).

Why is this the school’s problem?

Because they have an obligation to educate children, even those with special needs, in the least restrictive environment. And based on the offensive and ignorant comments in this thread, I'm very glad this obligation is ingrained in state and federal law.

Why are you dismissing online education when it actually makes the most sense?

It doesn’t make sense at all. Clearly this student needs help. The online model is substantially more limited in the services and supports that can be effectively provided. And provides fewer educational opportunities in areas that appear to be of particular need for this student, such as social/peer interaction.

Violence against classmates is not an educational opportunity we need

Agreed. Which is why the school needs to provide services and supports to the child with a disability. Everyone benefits.

[Anonymous]

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So let me tell you what you do.

You can't do anything if this kid hits someone who is not your child.

But the second this child hits your kid, and your kid reports it to you after school, YOU CALL 911 to report an assault.

I've been in MCPS for years, and have followed all the major assault cases (mostly in high schools). Families who relied on the school found that evidence was destroyed, witnesses were tampered with and justice was delayed. It's not that school employees want to hurt victims. It's that MCPS regulations are not built for assault cases. Families who called 911 and reported an assault to police immediately made the system work for them. Bypass MCPS completely. They will be forced to comply with the law.

I probably wouldn't call 911 (not an emergency), but I would call the police and make a report. I want documentation. And I agree that MCPS will cover up as much as possible.

Okay, mama-bear. You pull that on my 8-year old? I would FOIA your 911 call or police report and send it to your employer and other interested parties. Not all hitters have powerless parents, Karen. We can play hardball too.

Have a real, hard think about this, folks. Kids have hit other kids, at school, for all time. Were you all homeschooled? These kids weren't all expelled or cast off to the asylum. They don't all turn into mass shooters. Your kid may be a concussion or divorce away from being the hitter next year.

Violence is unacceptable at school. You can teach your kid that lesson while maintaining some perspective and not assuming that the worst-case scenario is inevitable.

Want to know what'd be really disruptive to your kid? Making them change classes on the third day of school. Calling the cops on a fight with another pre-pubescent kid. Those would surely be things they'd remember forever, long after they forget about that kid in fourth-grade who hit another kid. They'd remember you made that choice and the message it sent about how you feel about kids who are different.

Perhaps consider this an opportunity to connect with your kid. To empower them, even. Talk to them. Validate their feelings. Ask what precipitated the incidents. Discuss the different reasons why kids may hit other kids, in an age-appropriate way. Discuss how they can help support classmates who are struggling and ways they can deescalate difficult moments and keep themselves safe.

Our kids will live and work in a far more inclusive world than ours. Their success will rely on their emotional intelligence, resilience and the ability to thrive around people from different backgrounds and diverse perspectives. Consider how your choices are preparing them for that world.

Blah blah blah. Pipe down, Mama Bear. If your kid physically hits other people, they don’t belong in the class. Period.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Imagine someone in your workplace hit you and the response was - Mary won't be fired, we won't tell you what consequences if any there are for Mary and yes, you still have to work with her for the remainder of the year. You wouldn't tolerate that, yet we expect our kids to do just that all the time and explain away and excuse abuse.

Exactly

+1,000. ASININE.

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Anonymous wrote:Imagine someone in your workplace hit you and the response was - Mary won't be fired, we won't tell you what consequences if any there are for Mary and yes, you still have to work with her for the remainder of the year. You wouldn't tolerate that, yet we expect our kids to do just that all the time and explain away and excuse abuse.

Are you comparing a fully mature adult with a third-grader?

Are you saying a fully mature adult should be better protected than a third-grader?

Should consequences for an adult hitting an adult be greater than a child hitting a child? Um, yes?

By third grade they should be the same.

Really? An eight year old hitting my kid should get the same consequence as the teacher hitting my kid?

Would expect the kid to be suspended minimum. Same for teacher.

This.

[Anonymous]

Agree that in-person learning should be a privilege for the non-disruptive kids. Violent kids can learn online and try to rejoin in-person learning in future grades. Public school is for education. It is not a therapy center or a childcare. Parents need to take responsibility or lose custody of their children.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Every kid who disrupts class should be moved into online-only classes and stay home

You are a horrible human being. A young child that is unable to control their impulses and has behavior issues has a disability. They are not behaving poorly on purpose. Luckily children with disabilities have a right to the same public education as their non disabled peers. The solution is not to punish the child or remove the child from society; the solution is to provide the necessary support and medical assistance that the child requires.

You are a horrible human being for forcing the child into a classroom and setting him up for failure.

The child can learn how to control his impulses and THEN return to the classroom.

Until then, online school is a fantastic alternative option.

Luckily that’s not how IDEA works. Does it sound like there’s a legitimate problem? Absolutely. The school should bring in additional support to the classroom. The parents of neurotypical kids in this thread should be pushing the school district to do that, rather than sending this unsupported child with a presumed developmental disability home (or, as one poster suggested, jail).

Why is this the school’s problem?

Because they have an obligation to educate children, even those with special needs, in the least restrictive environment. And based on the offensive and ignorant comments in this thread, I'm very glad this obligation is ingrained in state and federal law.

If you’re hitting people, you aren’t in the appropriate LRE. Next.

They might be in the appropriate environment, but the school might not be providing the appropriate supports.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Agree that in-person learning should be a privilege for the non-disruptive kids. Violent kids can learn online and try to rejoin in-person learning in future grades. Public school is for education. It is not a therapy center or a childcare. Parents need to take responsibility or lose custody of their children.

Well, if you really want to make it legal to discriminate against kids with disabilities, you’re going to need to do more than post on an anonymous forum. As a first step, try signing your posts with your real name.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Agree that in-person learning should be a privilege for the non-disruptive kids. Violent kids can learn online and try to rejoin in-person learning in future grades. Public school is for education. It is not a therapy center or a childcare. Parents need to take responsibility or lose custody of their children.

Lose custody to who? You apparently don’t realize it is effectively impossible to voluntarily give up custody of children with special needs. In addition to people like you, the state doesn’t want to provide any support for them either.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Agree that in-person learning should be a privilege for the non-disruptive kids. Violent kids can learn online and try to rejoin in-person learning in future grades. Public school is for education. It is not a therapy center or a childcare. Parents need to take responsibility or lose custody of their children.

Well, if you really want to make it legal to discriminate against kids with disabilities, you’re going to need to do more than post on an anonymous forum. As a first step, try signing your posts with your real name.

No discrimination here, calm down. Anyone who wants to do online school can do it.

[Anonymous]

I would hope that everyone posting here would think that every child should be able to experience learning in a classroom without fear of being hit, bitten, scratched, or in any way physically harmed by a teacher, staff member, or another student.

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Anonymous wrote:Agree that in-person learning should be a privilege for the non-disruptive kids. Violent kids can learn online and try to rejoin in-person learning in future grades. Public school is for education. It is not a therapy center or a childcare. Parents need to take responsibility or lose custody of their children.

Well, if you really want to make it legal to discriminate against kids with disabilities, you’re going to need to do more than post on an anonymous forum. As a first step, try signing your posts with your real name.

No discrimination here, calm down. Anyone who wants to do online school can do it.

Separate but equal, right? I suppose that just reminds you of the good ol' days.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I would hope that everyone posting here would think that every child should be able to experience learning in a classroom without fear of being hit, bitten, scratched, or in any way physically harmed by a teacher, staff member, or another student.

Agreed, but there are some people here that don’t even think every child should be able to learn in a classroom, period.