Disruptive student in class

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would hope that everyone posting here would think that every child should be able to experience learning in a classroom without fear of being hit, bitten, scratched, or in any way physically harmed by a teacher, staff member, or another student.

Agreed, but there are some people here that don’t even think every child should be able to learn in a classroom, period.

PP here. I'm not sure exactly what you mean, but not every child can learn in every classroom. Some need the kinds of support and the degree of support that is better provided in a small group. I had the privilege of teaching and watching students make exceptional progress in small group settings.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Agree that in-person learning should be a privilege for the non-disruptive kids. Violent kids can learn online and try to rejoin in-person learning in future grades. Public school is for education. It is not a therapy center or a childcare. Parents need to take responsibility or lose custody of their children.

Doesn't solve the problem. Just defers it until they are older when it is harder to correct. And it is one thing if a kid is innately evil or something like on a bad tv show. But many special needs (often ASD) children with disruptive outbursts have clear need for additional social-skills instruction. Would they get that in an online only environment effectively?

More elementary and middle schools need self contained classrooms for this sort of thing, is the easiest answer. Not to sweep these kids under the rug.

As for kids being removed from their homes, are you up for fostering some?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Agree that in-person learning should be a privilege for the non-disruptive kids. Violent kids can learn online and try to rejoin in-person learning in future grades. Public school is for education. It is not a therapy center or a childcare. Parents need to take responsibility or lose custody of their children.

Well, if you really want to make it legal to discriminate against kids with disabilities, you’re going to need to do more than post on an anonymous forum. As a first step, try signing your posts with your real name.

No discrimination here, calm down. Anyone who wants to do online school can do it.

Separate but equal, right? I suppose that just reminds you of the good ol' days.

You are arguing against protecting children in the classroom.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would hope that everyone posting here would think that every child should be able to experience learning in a classroom without fear of being hit, bitten, scratched, or in any way physically harmed by a teacher, staff member, or another student.

Agreed, but there are some people here that don’t even think every child should be able to learn in a classroom, period.

PP here. I'm not sure exactly what you mean, but not every child can learn in every classroom. Some need the kinds of support and the degree of support that is better provided in a small group. I had the privilege of teaching and watching students make exceptional progress in small group settings.

And some just need support in a general education classroom. But there are several posters here that want to segregate kids with disabilities, rather than allowing them to stay with their peers. There are even one or two posters that want to kick them out of school entirely.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Agree that in-person learning should be a privilege for the non-disruptive kids. Violent kids can learn online and try to rejoin in-person learning in future grades. Public school is for education. It is not a therapy center or a childcare. Parents need to take responsibility or lose custody of their children.

Well, if you really want to make it legal to discriminate against kids with disabilities, you’re going to need to do more than post on an anonymous forum. As a first step, try signing your posts with your real name.

No discrimination here, calm down. Anyone who wants to do online school can do it.

Separate but equal, right? I suppose that just reminds you of the good ol' days.

You are arguing against protecting children in the classroom.

Not at all. It is possible to bring supports into classrooms. Not only is it possible, it’s the law.

But, what history shows is that it is not possible to provide separate but equal accommodations and facilities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Agree that in-person learning should be a privilege for the non-disruptive kids. Violent kids can learn online and try to rejoin in-person learning in future grades. Public school is for education. It is not a therapy center or a childcare. Parents need to take responsibility or lose custody of their children.

Well, if you really want to make it legal to discriminate against kids with disabilities, you’re going to need to do more than post on an anonymous forum. As a first step, try signing your posts with your real name.

No discrimination here, calm down. Anyone who wants to do online school can do it.

Separate but equal, right? I suppose that just reminds you of the good ol' days.

You are arguing against protecting children in the classroom.

Law and order for thee but not for me, etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Agree that in-person learning should be a privilege for the non-disruptive kids. Violent kids can learn online and try to rejoin in-person learning in future grades. Public school is for education. It is not a therapy center or a childcare. Parents need to take responsibility or lose custody of their children.

Doesn't solve the problem. Just defers it until they are older when it is harder to correct. And it is one thing if a kid is innately evil or something like on a bad tv show. But many special needs (often ASD) children with disruptive outbursts have clear need for additional social-skills instruction. Would they get that in an online only environment effectively?

More elementary and middle schools need self contained classrooms for this sort of thing, is the easiest answer. Not to sweep these kids under the rug.

As for kids being removed from their homes, are you up for fostering some?

I think the pp had made it abundantly clear that she doesn’t care what happens to the students with disabilities, either when they’re kids or when they turn into adults, as long as they stay away from her.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Agree that in-person learning should be a privilege for the non-disruptive kids. Violent kids can learn online and try to rejoin in-person learning in future grades. Public school is for education. It is not a therapy center or a childcare. Parents need to take responsibility or lose custody of their children.

Well, if you really want to make it legal to discriminate against kids with disabilities, you’re going to need to do more than post on an anonymous forum. As a first step, try signing your posts with your real name.

No discrimination here, calm down. Anyone who wants to do online school can do it.

Separate but equal, right? I suppose that just reminds you of the good ol' days.

You are arguing against protecting children in the classroom.

Not at all. It is possible to bring supports into classrooms. Not only is it possible, it’s the law.

But, what history shows is that it is not possible to provide separate but equal accommodations and facilities.

Kids get separated into gifted and talented programs, and other such tracks. Letting kids attend school online is similar, when they cannot hold it together in-person.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Agree that in-person learning should be a privilege for the non-disruptive kids. Violent kids can learn online and try to rejoin in-person learning in future grades. Public school is for education. It is not a therapy center or a childcare. Parents need to take responsibility or lose custody of their children.

Well, if you really want to make it legal to discriminate against kids with disabilities, you’re going to need to do more than post on an anonymous forum. As a first step, try signing your posts with your real name.

No discrimination here, calm down. Anyone who wants to do online school can do it.

Separate but equal, right? I suppose that just reminds you of the good ol' days.

You are arguing against protecting children in the classroom.

Not at all. It is possible to bring supports into classrooms. Not only is it possible, it’s the law.

But, what history shows is that it is not possible to provide separate but equal accommodations and facilities.

Kids get separated into gifted and talented programs, and other such tracks. Letting kids attend school online is similar, when they cannot hold it together in-person.

If you want to make it an optional program that parents could opt-in to, like G/T or magnets, sure. But that doesn't seem to be what you mean.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Agree that in-person learning should be a privilege for the non-disruptive kids. Violent kids can learn online and try to rejoin in-person learning in future grades. Public school is for education. It is not a therapy center or a childcare. Parents need to take responsibility or lose custody of their children.

Well, if you really want to make it legal to discriminate against kids with disabilities, you’re going to need to do more than post on an anonymous forum. As a first step, try signing your posts with your real name.

No discrimination here, calm down. Anyone who wants to do online school can do it.

Separate but equal, right? I suppose that just reminds you of the good ol' days.

You are arguing against protecting children in the classroom.

Not at all. It is possible to bring supports into classrooms. Not only is it possible, it’s the law.

But, what history shows is that it is not possible to provide separate but equal accommodations and facilities.

Kids get separated into gifted and talented programs, and other such tracks. Letting kids attend school online is similar, when they cannot hold it together in-person.

There are tracks for kids with social emotional issues. They are in person. And I think the argument was forcing them to have school online, not letting them. Separate but equal.

[Anonymous]

I’m starting to think the “lock ‘em up” poster is just a troll. Surely no one would actually think it reasonable to prevent kids with disabilities from going to school, right? It seemed plausible when she was “ just” trying to segregate them into different schools. I mean, that’s obviously illegal and unethical, but I understand there are evil and ignorant people in the world. But this latest twist doesn’t seem like a plausible position for anyone to take.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m starting to think the “lock ‘em up” poster is just a troll. Surely no one would actually think it reasonable to prevent kids with disabilities from going to school, right? It seemed plausible when she was “ just” trying to segregate them into different schools. I mean, that’s obviously illegal and unethical, but I understand there are evil and ignorant people in the world. But this latest twist doesn’t seem like a plausible position for anyone to take.

You might feel different if there was a violent child harming your child, and nobody was protecting them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m starting to think the “lock ‘em up” poster is just a troll. Surely no one would actually think it reasonable to prevent kids with disabilities from going to school, right? It seemed plausible when she was “ just” trying to segregate them into different schools. I mean, that’s obviously illegal and unethical, but I understand there are evil and ignorant people in the world. But this latest twist doesn’t seem like a plausible position for anyone to take.

You might feel different if there was a violent child harming your child, and nobody was protecting them.

If it's truly THAT BAD then sue the school district. Put your money where your mouth is. Otherwise you're just a troll.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m starting to think the “lock ‘em up” poster is just a troll. Surely no one would actually think it reasonable to prevent kids with disabilities from going to school, right? It seemed plausible when she was “ just” trying to segregate them into different schools. I mean, that’s obviously illegal and unethical, but I understand there are evil and ignorant people in the world. But this latest twist doesn’t seem like a plausible position for anyone to take.

You might feel different if there was a violent child harming your child, and nobody was protecting them.

If it's truly THAT BAD then sue the school district. Put your money where your mouth is. Otherwise you're just a troll.

To some of us, you seem like the troll.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m starting to think the “lock ‘em up” poster is just a troll. Surely no one would actually think it reasonable to prevent kids with disabilities from going to school, right? It seemed plausible when she was “ just” trying to segregate them into different schools. I mean, that’s obviously illegal and unethical, but I understand there are evil and ignorant people in the world. But this latest twist doesn’t seem like a plausible position for anyone to take.

exactly.