Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic

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Anonymous wrote:I feel so sorry for the teenager on board. While technically an adult, he certainly didn’t pay for it himself. Surely the father knew the risks and made what he thought was an informed decision- fine- but why bring a teen along? So sad.

The boy isn’t 4. He must have asked to go.

19 year olds are notoriously great at risk assessment and their deep understanding of their own mortality.

Yeah look at the HS kid who jumped off a ship on his graduation trip in the Bahamas while drunk. Boys around this age seem to have little concept of risk/death. And he probably trusted his father knew it was safe.

While I agree that a younger person likely has a different perception of mortality and risk aversity, there is no reason to believe the teenager thought this was a safe endeavor. The liability waiver each crew member is required to sign very clearly states that it is an experimental craft not approved by any regulatory agency and death is a very possible outcome of the mission.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are we wasting our resources on these idiots?

We try to rescue people. Usually because they did something dumb. Because it's the right thing to do.

Nobody tried to rescue those 700 migrants currently sitting on the floor of the Mediterranean Sea. I wonder why.

There are US, British, and Pakistani nationals onboard the submersible. Hence the international search response. Not the case for the migrants.

For all those who decry US citizenship, this is one of the benefits of it. When you do something foolhardy and it goes wrong, we will try to rescue you.

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I'm surprised at all of these comments from people horrified that someone would want to see the wreck of a ship where a thousand people died. Has no one been to the World Trade Center or visited the ruins of Pompeii or the Gettysburg battlefields? All different circumstances of course but its a pretty human thing to come to do this sort of thing and consider your own mortality.

Side note: I have a 7 year old who has a mild Titanic obsession (he will not be hearing about this recent news) and we have read far too many books and seen too many documentaries about the Titanic. Interest in the Titanic is a thing!

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Anonymous wrote:I feel sorry for the mother/wife, who has just lost her husband and one of her sons in one fell swoop. She'll inherit a fortune but she'll be traumatized for the rest of her life thinking about how they died as all the scenarios are just awful.

A recent story with interesting graphics and commentary from a prior diver: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12214387/Titanic-diver-whos-wreck-fears-missing-OceanGate-sub-imploded-10-000-feet-underwater.html

According to this article, there is one person who is thought to be on board but they aren’t sure. How does this happen? It’s a small group in there. I assume the company has a passenger list. Shouldn’t they know 100% who they sent down to the depths of the ocean? Wouldn’t there be an emergency contact or something?

I think the pilot is the only person who hadn’t been confirmed as on board. That’s likely because of the company’s media policies or whatever. They *know* who is on board, there is no mystery there.

All of the 5 crew have been identified:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jun/20/titanic-submarine-what-do-we-know-about-the-people-onboard

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Anonymous wrote:I’m sorry they are lost, but the extent and scope of the media coverage on this is ridiculous. These are five rich people who willingly chose to go on a dangerous morbid site seeing exercise. It is getting significant media attention only because it has all the “right” elements to appeal to stupid people who consume news: Titanic, submarine, missing rich people, limited oxygen.

Meanwhile, a migrant boat capsized off Greece last week (possibly caused by the Greek Coast Guard itself) with up to 700 deaths, and there is shockingly little coverage of it, only because it has all the “wrong” elements: poor migrants, rickety boat, official involvement in the disaster.

Ironically, the migrant boat was carrying a lot of poor Pakistanis, and the Titanic sub apparently has two rich Pakistani tourists aboard. So tell me as a society what we care about: money!

This post is really just looking for something to be upset about. Unusual events always get more news coverage than more commonplace ones. In some ways, that's the definition of newsworthy. A boat full of migrants capsizing with hundreds of deaths is tragic, but sadly not that uncommon. Whereas people potentially being crushed to death or suffocating at the site of the Titanic is not exactly standard fare.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope they have to pay the cost of the search and rescue/recovery efforts. Utter BS. It’s like the people who set sail for another continent with a week of food and an old boat radio.

+1000

Taxpayers should not have to pay to rescue these fools.

Guys they’re dead, you can’t bill them

Why can’t you bill their estate?

Billing people for SAR makes it less likely that the next person will be willing to call for help when necessary.

Fine with me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised at all of these comments from people horrified that someone would want to see the wreck of a ship where a thousand people died. Has no one been to the World Trade Center or visited the ruins of Pompeii or the Gettysburg battlefields? All different circumstances of course but its a pretty human thing to come to do this sort of thing and consider your own mortality.

Side note: I have a 7 year old who has a mild Titanic obsession (he will not be hearing about this recent news) and we have read far too many books and seen too many documentaries about the Titanic. Interest in the Titanic is a thing!

It seems to be a common childhood phase, both of mine went through it. Unfortunately the movie Titanic is too old for young kids who are really into the Titanic. Strange mismatch.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why are we wasting our resources on these idiots?

We try to rescue people. Usually because they did something dumb. Because it's the right thing to do.

Nobody tried to rescue those 700 migrants currently sitting on the floor of the Mediterranean Sea. I wonder why.

Because of racism.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why are we wasting our resources on these idiots?

We try to rescue people. Usually because they did something dumb. Because it's the right thing to do.

Nobody tried to rescue those 700 migrants currently sitting on the floor of the Mediterranean Sea. I wonder why.

Because of racism.

Keep trying.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised at all of these comments from people horrified that someone would want to see the wreck of a ship where a thousand people died. Has no one been to the World Trade Center or visited the ruins of Pompeii or the Gettysburg battlefields? All different circumstances of course but its a pretty human thing to come to do this sort of thing and consider your own mortality.

Side note: I have a 7 year old who has a mild Titanic obsession (he will not be hearing about this recent news) and we have read far too many books and seen too many documentaries about the Titanic. Interest in the Titanic is a thing!

It seems to be a common childhood phase, both of mine went through it. Unfortunately the movie Titanic is too old for young kids who are really into the Titanic. Strange mismatch.

I saw a kid wearing this shirt at the grocery store the other day.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel so sorry for the teenager on board. While technically an adult, he certainly didn’t pay for it himself. Surely the father knew the risks and made what he thought was an informed decision- fine- but why bring a teen along? So sad.

The boy isn’t 4. He must have asked to go.

19 year olds are notoriously great at risk assessment and their deep understanding of their own mortality.

Yeah look at the HS kid who jumped off a ship on his graduation trip in the Bahamas while drunk. Boys around this age seem to have little concept of risk/death. And he probably trusted his father knew it was safe.

While I agree that a younger person likely has a different perception of mortality and risk aversity, there is no reason to believe the teenager thought this was a safe endeavor. The liability waiver each crew member is required to sign very clearly states that it is an experimental craft not approved by any regulatory agency and death is a very possible outcome of the mission.

Yeah but you sign those waivers practically everywhere these days. Who really pays attention to the death is a possibility part?

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How is it possible that the air flow in that little capsule will last 40 hours? Presumably any electrical air flow would also have shut off if there was a catastrophic failure?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why are we wasting our resources on these idiots?

We try to rescue people. Usually because they did something dumb. Because it's the right thing to do.

Nobody tried to rescue those 700 migrants currently sitting on the floor of the Mediterranean Sea. I wonder why.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but aren’t they all dead? Pointless to conduct a rescue operation at this point.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel so sorry for the teenager on board. While technically an adult, he certainly didn’t pay for it himself. Surely the father knew the risks and made what he thought was an informed decision- fine- but why bring a teen along? So sad.

The boy isn’t 4. He must have asked to go.

19 year olds are notoriously great at risk assessment and their deep understanding of their own mortality.

Yeah look at the HS kid who jumped off a ship on his graduation trip in the Bahamas while drunk. Boys around this age seem to have little concept of risk/death. And he probably trusted his father knew it was safe.

While I agree that a younger person likely has a different perception of mortality and risk aversity, there is no reason to believe the teenager thought this was a safe endeavor. The liability waiver each crew member is required to sign very clearly states that it is an experimental craft not approved by any regulatory agency and death is a very possible outcome of the mission.

Yeah but you sign those waivers practically everywhere these days. Who really pays attention to the death is a possibility part?

Yeah, I'm pretty sure I had to sign a death waiver when I went into an escape room. There is nothing unusual about a death waiver.

This expedition is far from usual, however. It's weird that they call the tourists a "crew."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why are we wasting our resources on these idiots?

We try to rescue people. Usually because they did something dumb. Because it's the right thing to do.

Nobody tried to rescue those 700 migrants currently sitting on the floor of the Mediterranean Sea. I wonder why.

You are full of it. Do some research before you spout your falsehoods. There is footage from MarineTraffic showing a frenzy of ships come to assist when the ship sank. 500 are missing not 700.

Stop reading cnn or the BBC before continuing with your lies.