Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic

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Anonymous wrote:I was reading that they have apparently 96hrs of oxygen supply. If the sub still has oxygen. It can’t return to the surface that sounds like a slow and excruciating death.

I hate to say it, but they’re better off being crushed.

Can you explain why they can't resurface? I don't understand.

It’s more that if they haven’t yet, there is probably catastrophic failure preventing it. David Pogue has been on this vehicle and said it has 7 ways to surface, with or without power. If they haven’t AND aren’t communicating, the craft is likely gone or obliterated.

Is it possible it emerged and they haven't located it yet? (ie its floating somewhere and they are trapped inside). Or would that be easy to spot?

One of the rescue planes is looking at the surface for them. So yes, that is the hope - that they have surfaced and are found there.

Ok but surely one of their cell phones would be working if they were on the surface.

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Anonymous wrote:I was reading that they have apparently 96hrs of oxygen supply. If the sub still has oxygen. It can’t return to the surface that sounds like a slow and excruciating death.

I hate to say it, but they’re better off being crushed.

Can you explain why they can't resurface? I don't understand.

It’s more that if they haven’t yet, there is probably catastrophic failure preventing it. David Pogue has been on this vehicle and said it has 7 ways to surface, with or without power. If they haven’t AND aren’t communicating, the craft is likely gone or obliterated.

Is it possible it emerged and they haven't located it yet? (ie its floating somewhere and they are trapped inside). Or would that be easy to spot?

One of the rescue planes is looking at the surface for them. So yes, that is the hope - that they have surfaced and are found there.

Ok but surely one of their cell phones would be working if they were on the surface.

Ummm I don't think there are any cell phone towers in the middle of the North Atlantic

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Anonymous wrote:I was reading that they have apparently 96hrs of oxygen supply. If the sub still has oxygen. It can’t return to the surface that sounds like a slow and excruciating death.

I hate to say it, but they’re better off being crushed.

Can you explain why they can't resurface? I don't understand.

It’s more that if they haven’t yet, there is probably catastrophic failure preventing it. David Pogue has been on this vehicle and said it has 7 ways to surface, with or without power. If they haven’t AND aren’t communicating, the craft is likely gone or obliterated.

Is it possible it emerged and they haven't located it yet? (ie its floating somewhere and they are trapped inside). Or would that be easy to spot?

One of the rescue planes is looking at the surface for them. So yes, that is the hope - that they have surfaced and are found there.

Ok but surely one of their cell phones would be working if they were on the surface.

Ummm I don't think there are any cell phone towers in the middle of the North Atlantic

Ha fair enough! I was just assuming that surely someone had some sort of advanced communications system or satellite phone. If I was a billionaire in the middle of the ocean, I'd certainly like one.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think of Jen Corliss the wing suit jumper who crashed jumping off of Table Mountain in SA.

He said the idea of week in and week out sitting in your car for two hours or more to go to your 8 hour a day job is the example of insanity to him.

For many, it is a dream to view the final resting place and if you have the means why not.

"Why not"? I guess we could link to literally every single article already linked in this thread, but something tells me that you'd still be lost.

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Anonymous wrote:It is the same excess of wealth, hubris, and reliance on flawed, yet cutting edge technology that led to the sinking of the Titanic. The parallels give me chills. What an unnecessary nightmare. I hope for a good outcome.

Although well-intentioned, this kind of tourism should stop. The parallels drawn in other posts to Gettysburg, etc., aren't the same because those are far more accessible- no great wealth required.

Why should it stop? These people spent their own money and went in voluntarily having assessed the risks and resolved them to their satisfaction. Presumably, with the kind of money the spent on a frolic, they were pretty sophisticated.

If it turns out they guessed wrong, that’s on them. People have a right to decide things for themselves.

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Anonymous wrote:I was reading that they have apparently 96hrs of oxygen supply. If the sub still has oxygen. It can’t return to the surface that sounds like a slow and excruciating death.

I hate to say it, but they’re better off being crushed.

Can you explain why they can't resurface? I don't understand.

It’s more that if they haven’t yet, there is probably catastrophic failure preventing it. David Pogue has been on this vehicle and said it has 7 ways to surface, with or without power. If they haven’t AND aren’t communicating, the craft is likely gone or obliterated.

Is it possible it emerged and they haven't located it yet? (ie its floating somewhere and they are trapped inside). Or would that be easy to spot?

One of the rescue planes is looking at the surface for them. So yes, that is the hope - that they have surfaced and are found there.

Ok but surely one of their cell phones would be working if they were on the surface.

Ummm I don't think there are any cell phone towers in the middle of the North Atlantic

Ha fair enough! I was just assuming that surely someone had some sort of advanced communications system or satellite phone. If I was a billionaire in the middle of the ocean, I'd certainly like one.

I'd guess that the passengers would assume the submarine and pilot are equipped with the necessary communication devices. And I'd hope that they'd be right! But the whole thing seems ill-advised, so who knows.

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Anonymous wrote:I was reading that they have apparently 96hrs of oxygen supply. If the sub still has oxygen. It can’t return to the surface that sounds like a slow and excruciating death.

I hate to say it, but they’re better off being crushed.

Can you explain why they can't resurface? I don't understand.

It’s more that if they haven’t yet, there is probably catastrophic failure preventing it. David Pogue has been on this vehicle and said it has 7 ways to surface, with or without power. If they haven’t AND aren’t communicating, the craft is likely gone or obliterated.

Is it possible it emerged and they haven't located it yet? (ie its floating somewhere and they are trapped inside). Or would that be easy to spot?

One of the rescue planes is looking at the surface for them. So yes, that is the hope - that they have surfaced and are found there.

Ok but surely one of their cell phones would be working if they were on the surface.

Ummm I don't think there are any cell phone towers in the middle of the North Atlantic

Ha fair enough! I was just assuming that surely someone had some sort of advanced communications system or satellite phone. If I was a billionaire in the middle of the ocean, I'd certainly like one.

Your assuming that the passengers are still conscious, which may well not be the case.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It is the same excess of wealth, hubris, and reliance on flawed, yet cutting edge technology that led to the sinking of the Titanic. The parallels give me chills. What an unnecessary nightmare. I hope for a good outcome.

Although well-intentioned, this kind of tourism should stop. The parallels drawn in other posts to Gettysburg, etc., aren't the same because those are far more accessible- no great wealth required.

The bolded seems to suggest that "this kind of tourism should stop" simply because it requires great wealth to participate. Tourism should only be allowed if it is "accessible." Do I have that right?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It is the same excess of wealth, hubris, and reliance on flawed, yet cutting edge technology that led to the sinking of the Titanic. The parallels give me chills. What an unnecessary nightmare. I hope for a good outcome.

Although well-intentioned, this kind of tourism should stop. The parallels drawn in other posts to Gettysburg, etc., aren't the same because those are far more accessible- no great wealth required.

Why should it stop? These people spent their own money and went in voluntarily having assessed the risks and resolved them to their satisfaction. Presumably, with the kind of money the spent on a frolic, they were pretty sophisticated.

If it turns out they guessed wrong, that’s on them. People have a right to decide things for themselves.

Sure, but now three countries (US, Canada and France) are all spending a lot of tax-payer money to rescue them and at least three, are not citizens of those countries.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It is the same excess of wealth, hubris, and reliance on flawed, yet cutting edge technology that led to the sinking of the Titanic. The parallels give me chills. What an unnecessary nightmare. I hope for a good outcome.

Although well-intentioned, this kind of tourism should stop. The parallels drawn in other posts to Gettysburg, etc., aren't the same because those are far more accessible- no great wealth required.

Why should it stop? These people spent their own money and went in voluntarily having assessed the risks and resolved them to their satisfaction. Presumably, with the kind of money the spent on a frolic, they were pretty sophisticated.

If it turns out they guessed wrong, that’s on them. People have a right to decide things for themselves.

Keep up the extreme tourism if people want, but no public funds should be spent on rescue missions.

We have children and adults in this country that do not have enough food to eat, yet we instead divert funds to the Coast Guard to spend money on rescuing these idiots.

[Anonymous]

My two cents given they've lost all comms and location? Structural failure or accident leading to one (there is another story circulating about one of these a few years back. Strong currents blew the submersible under the Titanic's stern and they almost couldn't get out) and the thing imploded.

I hope I'm wrong but I can't see how I am.

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Anonymous wrote:I was reading that they have apparently 96hrs of oxygen supply. If the sub still has oxygen. It can’t return to the surface that sounds like a slow and excruciating death.

I hate to say it, but they’re better off being crushed.

Can you explain why they can't resurface? I don't understand.

It’s more that if they haven’t yet, there is probably catastrophic failure preventing it. David Pogue has been on this vehicle and said it has 7 ways to surface, with or without power. If they haven’t AND aren’t communicating, the craft is likely gone or obliterated.

Is it possible it emerged and they haven't located it yet? (ie its floating somewhere and they are trapped inside). Or would that be easy to spot?

One of the rescue planes is looking at the surface for them. So yes, that is the hope - that they have surfaced and are found there.

Ok but surely one of their cell phones would be working if they were on the surface.

Ummm I don't think there are any cell phone towers in the middle of the North Atlantic

Ha fair enough! I was just assuming that surely someone had some sort of advanced communications system or satellite phone. If I was a billionaire in the middle of the ocean, I'd certainly like one.

I'd guess that the passengers would assume the submarine and pilot are equipped with the necessary communication devices. And I'd hope that they'd be right! But the whole thing seems ill-advised, so who knows.

Given that the pilot uses a playstation controller, I think it was pretty clear from the start that the pilot isn’t equipped with any necessary or high tech devices.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are we wasting our resources on these idiots?

We try to rescue people. Usually because they did something dumb. Because it's the right thing to do.

Nobody tried to rescue those 700 migrants currently sitting on the floor of the Mediterranean Sea. I wonder why.

There are US, British, and Pakistani nationals onboard the submersible. Hence the international search response. Not the case for the migrants.

For all those who decry US citizenship, this is one of the benefits of it. When you do something foolhardy and it goes wrong, we will try to rescue you.

Look, I think this a foolish enterprise. I don't understand the need for people to do it. But you should not have to have citizenship in order to expect a little bit of humanit.

We try to rescue people b/c it is the right thing to do.
Period.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It is the same excess of wealth, hubris, and reliance on flawed, yet cutting edge technology that led to the sinking of the Titanic. The parallels give me chills. What an unnecessary nightmare. I hope for a good outcome.

Although well-intentioned, this kind of tourism should stop. The parallels drawn in other posts to Gettysburg, etc., aren't the same because those are far more accessible- no great wealth required.

The bolded seems to suggest that "this kind of tourism should stop" simply because it requires great wealth to participate. Tourism should only be allowed if it is "accessible." Do I have that right?

No, they don’t like that if there is trouble, a lot of effort by someone other than the company who books these tours is needed to stage a search and rescue/recovery.

I dont have an opinion either way.

[Anonymous]

Is the Pakistani Navy steaming to the rescue?