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Anonymous wrote:I am a URM. I can see how the college admission process does give us an advantage. I also agree that wealthy URMs most likely have the same advantages as their white and asian peers when it comes to admissions. However, when it is time to hire these graduates, it has been proven time and time again, that employers will most likely choose the white or asian applicants to fill positions over African Americans or Hispanics:
https://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2021/08/18/name-discrimination-jobs

AA might put a Black applicant from Cornell on similar playing field as an Asian/White person from U of Wisconsin during job interviews.

I think too many are only focusing on the college admissions process. College is a means to an end. There is still a lot of discrimination going on in major corporations.

All this article proves is that you should not name you kid with a distinctively black name if they are applying to a job to be a cashier at Target.

Economists do studies on this. If colleges lower the standards for certain minorities, then society will only assume that minority graduates are not the same.

Dr. Thomas Sowell has written about the subject many times. He is a black Professor of Economics.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2015/12/17/sowell-do-the-real-facts-not-matter-at-all-in-college-admissions-debate/

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I know POC who will not visit a doctor who is POC for this very reason.

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone should look at the Virginia Community College System in Virginia if their goal is to go to a "top tier" Virginia and their demographics do not meet the social justice goals of a terribly broken college admissions system. My son had a 4.4 GPA, 1550 SAT, is an Eagle Scout, 3 sport athlete, basketball team captain, played the violin in the orchestra, 12 AP classes for 62 college credits, top 5 percent of his class... He was not accepted to VT or UVa engineering. He applied to a safety school, but decided he didn't want to go there and wanted to go to VT. VCCS has GAA, Guaranteed Admissions Agreement with all state schools. He showed up to VCCS as a sophomore (because of AP credits) and will qualify in 1 year to go to UVa and VT. He will show up to one of them next fall as a junior. F the admissions office. They are all run by social justice warriors and are letting people in for the wrong reasons. GAA takes the woke admissions office out of the loop.

This was a BS decision made by fools and I’m sorry your kid (and your family) went through that, he sounds amazing

Thank you. He is doing great. BTW, he actually had a 4.7 GPA.

Just want to point out VCCS to people so they know about how good of a deal it is. In a lot of ways, it could be better than going direct to college, especially in his case. There are a lot of people that could avoid the mess that is the college admissions office and go where they want.

I'm sorry to point this out to you... but if your son with his 4.7GPA and 1550 SAT and good ECs did not get into UVA, then his essays and LORs were not great.

Different poster here - that is not true, I know of a few kids this also happened to - UVA can only take so many kids per HS, and they tend to take certain applicants before others, in the last few years.

Don't be so quick to judge. (Who would not want to pay a fraction of the price of a private college?)

Let me amend my statement... then his essays and/or LORs were not as great as other applicants.

You can say it as many times as makes you feel better - still untrue. DP here (who has significant random sample). I'm not going to spell it out for you, if you are simply not that bright.

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And he is going to succeed despite the broken system. There are a lot of out of state students paying full price that are also unqualified and struggling with the curriculum. My son will be just fine. I know that probably upsets you.

No it doesn't upset me at all and I genuinely wish him all the best. College admissions is complex, which I'm sure you know, so your sour grapes seem misplaced. Do you have data on the to support the statement you made about out of state students?

College admissions isn't that complex. You need to let in the most qualified students in. That's it. Anything else is social justice warriors penalizing groups based on demographics.

Look at his stats. He is outstanding by every measure and well above average at VT and UVa engineering. If you really think that every single admitted student is better than him, you are wrong. He has a 4.0 at VCCS and will be there next fall. I just want to point out VCCS to parents with students that have below a 4.7 GPA. I put down the wrong GPA in my first post. He had a 4.7.

No, who wants to attend a college where the students all have 1580+ and 3.95+ UW gpa?
Because the T20 schools could easily do that each and every year and still turn students away.

But the fact is colleges want a "diverse" student population because that's what works best. I want my kid to attend college with kids who are not carbon copies of them. The real world isn't like that and college shouldn't be either.

FYI---someone having a 1500 and 3.75 gpa is not really any less smart than your 1600/4.0 student. However, they might be a bit less arrogant and less entitled

Carbon copies, like smart and qualified? The world is full of smart and qualified engineers.

My son was among the most qualified and not accepted, so he found a way in via VCCS. My son worked very hard for his 4.7/1550, top 5%, Eagle Scout, 3 sports and violin, etc, etc. He did not have a sense of entitlement, but he absolutely should have been accepted into a state school. I am pointing out to parents that VCCS is a very good option for a lot of people, especially with a college admissions system as broken as Virginia's.

You can call him an arrogant teenager next year when he is a student at Tech.

F the admissions people.

I would take your story to the NYT, if I were you. Such a great story, truly. Your son will do wonderful things in this world.

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone should look at the Virginia Community College System in Virginia if their goal is to go to a "top tier" Virginia and their demographics do not meet the social justice goals of a terribly broken college admissions system. My son had a 4.4 GPA, 1550 SAT, is an Eagle Scout, 3 sport athlete, basketball team captain, played the violin in the orchestra, 12 AP classes for 62 college credits, top 5 percent of his class... He was not accepted to VT or UVa engineering. He applied to a safety school, but decided he didn't want to go there and wanted to go to VT. VCCS has GAA, Guaranteed Admissions Agreement with all state schools. He showed up to VCCS as a sophomore (because of AP credits) and will qualify in 1 year to go to UVa and VT. He will show up to one of them next fall as a junior. F the admissions office. They are all run by social justice warriors and are letting people in for the wrong reasons. GAA takes the woke admissions office out of the loop.

This was a BS decision made by fools and I’m sorry your kid (and your family) went through that, he sounds amazing

Thank you. He is doing great. BTW, he actually had a 4.7 GPA.

Just want to point out VCCS to people so they know about how good of a deal it is. In a lot of ways, it could be better than going direct to college, especially in his case. There are a lot of people that could avoid the mess that is the college admissions office and go where they want.

I'm sorry to point this out to you... but if your son with his 4.7GPA and 1550 SAT and good ECs did not get into UVA, then his essays and LORs were not great.

Different poster here - that is not true, I know of a few kids this also happened to - UVA can only take so many kids per HS, and they tend to take certain applicants before others, in the last few years.

Don't be so quick to judge. (Who would not want to pay a fraction of the price of a private college?)

Let me amend my statement... then his essays and/or LORs were not as great as other applicants.

DP, why should letters of recommendation matter? FCPS has schools with 3,000 students and each senior is expected to have a counselor who even knows they exist let alone can write anything about them?

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Anonymous wrote:I see the appeal of the vccs route for kids who just want the degree from the top university. But many kids want a traditional college experience and are social - ie wanting to join a sorority/fraternity, value social connection and on campus experience.

I agree with that, but when a white, in-state kid with a 4.7 GPA (I incorrectly wrote 4.4 in my original post) doesn't get into the school he wants to go to, it is a great option. Same for people with economic factors. My son has been awarded scholarships and grants for his entire 3 semesters (summer 2022, fall 2022, spring 2023) and will show up to VT without having spent a dime on tuition. He also has been working part time. There is a good chance will spend 3 years there as he is planning on double majoring. 3 years of college is pretty good.

VCCS will bypass the broken college admissions office. That is the best part.

Why should a top student be relegated to a school they have no interest in? Because they are white?

Why would a top student not find good safety and match schools so they are not "relegated to a school they have no interest in"? There are thousands of Top Students and not enough spaces at the "top/elite/instate" schools. So this parent has smartly figured out that VCCS is an affordable way to stay instate and get into the great affordable option if that's where you want to attend. More kids should do this.

It's not about being White or any other background. It's about there are more qualified students than spaces. And colleges want diversity on all levels---that may mean someone only has a 1450 and 3.7 and gets in over your 4.7/1550 student. It's not like VATech is admitting kids with 1000/3.0 into engineering over your kid. The differences between 1450/1550 is minimal.

It has a great deal with being white, and being an in state applicant and being a student from a large and competitive school. There is a huge difference when there is a 4.7 student not getting accepted and a 3.7 that is struggling. A 4.7 and 3.7 aren't even close.

VCCS is great because the 4.7 student can get in despite an admissions system that had been corrupted to the elite left.

Safety school are usually where people don't want to go.

How can you expect everyone to adopt your vile, racist point of view if you don't provide the unweighted GPA and the list of courses and the "core coverage" evidence? And is this a magnet school? There's nothing in what you've said so far, even with that convenient jump in reported WGPA, that would make this candidate a sure bet for UVA engineering, especially if the student is from a STEM magnet school. Angry parents constantly use boards like this to chest-thump and hair-tear in performative white fragility meltdowns, but we need more stats and info to join you in really feeling the full arc of your twenty-comment hatefest.

Haha. I guess you are one of the wokes that everyone that disagrees with affirmative action ( most people in the US) is racist.

I'm not going to post his transcript, but he was at a math and science academy and took the most difficult classes possible. I am not chest thumping,.just letting parents know about VCCS because college admissions offices are run by people like you.

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone should look at the Virginia Community College System in Virginia if their goal is to go to a "top tier" Virginia and their demographics do not meet the social justice goals of a terribly broken college admissions system. My son had a 4.4 GPA, 1550 SAT, is an Eagle Scout, 3 sport athlete, basketball team captain, played the violin in the orchestra, 12 AP classes for 62 college credits, top 5 percent of his class... He was not accepted to VT or UVa engineering. He applied to a safety school, but decided he didn't want to go there and wanted to go to VT. VCCS has GAA, Guaranteed Admissions Agreement with all state schools. He showed up to VCCS as a sophomore (because of AP credits) and will qualify in 1 year to go to UVa and VT. He will show up to one of them next fall as a junior. F the admissions office. They are all run by social justice warriors and are letting people in for the wrong reasons. GAA takes the woke admissions office out of the loop.

This was a BS decision made by fools and I’m sorry your kid (and your family) went through that, he sounds amazing

Thank you. He is doing great. BTW, he actually had a 4.7 GPA.

Just want to point out VCCS to people so they know about how good of a deal it is. In a lot of ways, it could be better than going direct to college, especially in his case. There are a lot of people that could avoid the mess that is the college admissions office and go where they want.

I'm sorry to point this out to you... but if your son with his 4.7GPA and 1550 SAT and good ECs did not get into UVA, then his essays and LORs were not great.

Different poster here - that is not true, I know of a few kids this also happened to - UVA can only take so many kids per HS, and they tend to take certain applicants before others, in the last few years.

Don't be so quick to judge. (Who would not want to pay a fraction of the price of a private college?)

Let me amend my statement... then his essays and/or LORs were not as great as other applicants.

DP, why should letters of recommendation matter? FCPS has schools with 3,000 students and each senior is expected to have a counselor who even knows they exist let alone can write anything about them?

Other DP here. They do matter, and the ones that I saw were outstanding. I think more people should know about the "secrets" of admissions, and where admissions is going. Parents of students who are accepted at certain schools want to think it was because their application reigned supreme - but that is often not the case.

People are happy to feign ignorance, until it suits them.

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And he is going to succeed despite the broken system. There are a lot of out of state students paying full price that are also unqualified and struggling with the curriculum. My son will be just fine. I know that probably upsets you.

No it doesn't upset me at all and I genuinely wish him all the best. College admissions is complex, which I'm sure you know, so your sour grapes seem misplaced. Do you have data on the to support the statement you made about out of state students?

College admissions isn't that complex. You need to let in the most qualified students in. That's it. Anything else is social justice warriors penalizing groups based on demographics.

Look at his stats. He is outstanding by every measure and well above average at VT and UVa engineering. If you really think that every single admitted student is better than him, you are wrong. He has a 4.0 at VCCS and will be there next fall. I just want to point out VCCS to parents with students that have below a 4.7 GPA. I put down the wrong GPA in my first post. He had a 4.7.

No, who wants to attend a college where the students all have 1580+ and 3.95+ UW gpa?
Because the T20 schools could easily do that each and every year and still turn students away.

But the fact is colleges want a "diverse" student population because that's what works best. I want my kid to attend college with kids who are not carbon copies of them. The real world isn't like that and college shouldn't be either.

FYI---someone having a 1500 and 3.75 gpa is not really any less smart than your 1600/4.0 student. However, they might be a bit less arrogant and less entitled

Carbon copies, like smart and qualified? The world is full of smart and qualified engineers.

My son was among the most qualified and not accepted, so he found a way in via VCCS. My son worked very hard for his 4.7/1550, top 5%, Eagle Scout, 3 sports and violin, etc, etc. He did not have a sense of entitlement, but he absolutely should have been accepted into a state school. I am pointing out to parents that VCCS is a very good option for a lot of people, especially with a college admissions system as broken as Virginia's.

You can call him an arrogant teenager next year when he is a student at Tech.

F the admissions people.

I would take your story to the NYT, if I were you. Such a great story, truly. Your son will do wonderful things in this world.

To add, your situation happens more than most people (parents) realize. It is only a matter of time before people get fed up, organize, start publicizing what is happening, and do something about it.

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone should look at the Virginia Community College System in Virginia if their goal is to go to a "top tier" Virginia and their demographics do not meet the social justice goals of a terribly broken college admissions system. My son had a 4.4 GPA, 1550 SAT, is an Eagle Scout, 3 sport athlete, basketball team captain, played the violin in the orchestra, 12 AP classes for 62 college credits, top 5 percent of his class... He was not accepted to VT or UVa engineering. He applied to a safety school, but decided he didn't want to go there and wanted to go to VT. VCCS has GAA, Guaranteed Admissions Agreement with all state schools. He showed up to VCCS as a sophomore (because of AP credits) and will qualify in 1 year to go to UVa and VT. He will show up to one of them next fall as a junior. F the admissions office. They are all run by social justice warriors and are letting people in for the wrong reasons. GAA takes the woke admissions office out of the loop.

This was a BS decision made by fools and I’m sorry your kid (and your family) went through that, he sounds amazing

Thank you. He is doing great. BTW, he actually had a 4.7 GPA.

Just want to point out VCCS to people so they know about how good of a deal it is. In a lot of ways, it could be better than going direct to college, especially in his case. There are a lot of people that could avoid the mess that is the college admissions office and go where they want.

I'm sorry to point this out to you... but if your son with his 4.7GPA and 1550 SAT and good ECs did not get into UVA, then his essays and LORs were not great.

Different poster here - that is not true, I know of a few kids this also happened to - UVA can only take so many kids per HS, and they tend to take certain applicants before others, in the last few years.

Don't be so quick to judge. (Who would not want to pay a fraction of the price of a private college?)

Let me amend my statement... then his essays and/or LORs were not as great as other applicants.

DP, why should letters of recommendation matter? FCPS has schools with 3,000 students and each senior is expected to have a counselor who even knows they exist let alone can write anything about them?

I think the counselor recommendation can be discounted. I am speaking about the letters of recommendation from an individual's teachers.

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone should look at the Virginia Community College System in Virginia if their goal is to go to a "top tier" Virginia and their demographics do not meet the social justice goals of a terribly broken college admissions system. My son had a 4.4 GPA, 1550 SAT, is an Eagle Scout, 3 sport athlete, basketball team captain, played the violin in the orchestra, 12 AP classes for 62 college credits, top 5 percent of his class... He was not accepted to VT or UVa engineering. He applied to a safety school, but decided he didn't want to go there and wanted to go to VT. VCCS has GAA, Guaranteed Admissions Agreement with all state schools. He showed up to VCCS as a sophomore (because of AP credits) and will qualify in 1 year to go to UVa and VT. He will show up to one of them next fall as a junior. F the admissions office. They are all run by social justice warriors and are letting people in for the wrong reasons. GAA takes the woke admissions office out of the loop.

This was a BS decision made by fools and I’m sorry your kid (and your family) went through that, he sounds amazing

Thank you. He is doing great. BTW, he actually had a 4.7 GPA.

Just want to point out VCCS to people so they know about how good of a deal it is. In a lot of ways, it could be better than going direct to college, especially in his case. There are a lot of people that could avoid the mess that is the college admissions office and go where they want.

I'm sorry to point this out to you... but if your son with his 4.7GPA and 1550 SAT and good ECs did not get into UVA, then his essays and LORs were not great.

Different poster here - that is not true, I know of a few kids this also happened to - UVA can only take so many kids per HS, and they tend to take certain applicants before others, in the last few years.

Don't be so quick to judge. (Who would not want to pay a fraction of the price of a private college?)

Let me amend my statement... then his essays and/or LORs were not as great as other applicants.

DP, why should letters of recommendation matter? FCPS has schools with 3,000 students and each senior is expected to have a counselor who even knows they exist let alone can write anything about them?

I think the counselor recommendation can be discounted. I am speaking about the letters of recommendation from an individual's teachers.

Again, people are happy to feign ignorance until it suits them.

(Wait for it....)

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone should look at the Virginia Community College System in Virginia if their goal is to go to a "top tier" Virginia and their demographics do not meet the social justice goals of a terribly broken college admissions system. My son had a 4.4 GPA, 1550 SAT, is an Eagle Scout, 3 sport athlete, basketball team captain, played the violin in the orchestra, 12 AP classes for 62 college credits, top 5 percent of his class... He was not accepted to VT or UVa engineering. He applied to a safety school, but decided he didn't want to go there and wanted to go to VT. VCCS has GAA, Guaranteed Admissions Agreement with all state schools. He showed up to VCCS as a sophomore (because of AP credits) and will qualify in 1 year to go to UVa and VT. He will show up to one of them next fall as a junior. F the admissions office. They are all run by social justice warriors and are letting people in for the wrong reasons. GAA takes the woke admissions office out of the loop.

This was a BS decision made by fools and I’m sorry your kid (and your family) went through that, he sounds amazing

Thank you. He is doing great. BTW, he actually had a 4.7 GPA.

Just want to point out VCCS to people so they know about how good of a deal it is. In a lot of ways, it could be better than going direct to college, especially in his case. There are a lot of people that could avoid the mess that is the college admissions office and go where they want.

I'm sorry to point this out to you... but if your son with his 4.7GPA and 1550 SAT and good ECs did not get into UVA, then his essays and LORs were not great.

Different poster here - that is not true, I know of a few kids this also happened to - UVA can only take so many kids per HS, and they tend to take certain applicants before others, in the last few years.

Don't be so quick to judge. (Who would not want to pay a fraction of the price of a private college?)

Let me amend my statement... then his essays and/or LORs were not as great as other applicants.

You can say it as many times as makes you feel better - still untrue. DP here (who has significant random sample). I'm not going to spell it out for you, if you are simply not that bright.

I didn't read his teachers letters of recommendation, but he got letters from two teachers that he had wonderful relationships with and certainly wrote positive letters. Maybe they were poorly written, but I don't know.

The essays were apolitical and well written. They were edited by a college counselor from a veteran's organization that he signed up for.

I really don't like the essay excuse for non admission. How well can you get to know someone by reading a few hundred words that could be totally made up? Most probably are.

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone should look at the Virginia Community College System in Virginia if their goal is to go to a "top tier" Virginia and their demographics do not meet the social justice goals of a terribly broken college admissions system. My son had a 4.4 GPA, 1550 SAT, is an Eagle Scout, 3 sport athlete, basketball team captain, played the violin in the orchestra, 12 AP classes for 62 college credits, top 5 percent of his class... He was not accepted to VT or UVa engineering. He applied to a safety school, but decided he didn't want to go there and wanted to go to VT. VCCS has GAA, Guaranteed Admissions Agreement with all state schools. He showed up to VCCS as a sophomore (because of AP credits) and will qualify in 1 year to go to UVa and VT. He will show up to one of them next fall as a junior. F the admissions office. They are all run by social justice warriors and are letting people in for the wrong reasons. GAA takes the woke admissions office out of the loop.

This was a BS decision made by fools and I’m sorry your kid (and your family) went through that, he sounds amazing

Thank you. He is doing great. BTW, he actually had a 4.7 GPA.

Just want to point out VCCS to people so they know about how good of a deal it is. In a lot of ways, it could be better than going direct to college, especially in his case. There are a lot of people that could avoid the mess that is the college admissions office and go where they want.

I'm sorry to point this out to you... but if your son with his 4.7GPA and 1550 SAT and good ECs did not get into UVA, then his essays and LORs were not great.

Different poster here - that is not true, I know of a few kids this also happened to - UVA can only take so many kids per HS, and they tend to take certain applicants before others, in the last few years.

Don't be so quick to judge. (Who would not want to pay a fraction of the price of a private college?)

Let me amend my statement... then his essays and/or LORs were not as great as other applicants.

You can say it as many times as makes you feel better - still untrue. DP here (who has significant random sample). I'm not going to spell it out for you, if you are simply not that bright.

I didn't read his teachers letters of recommendation, but he got letters from two teachers that he had wonderful relationships with and certainly wrote positive letters. Maybe they were poorly written, but I don't know.

The essays were apolitical and well written. They were edited by a college counselor from a veteran's organization that he signed up for.

I really don't like the essay excuse for non admission. How well can you get to know someone by reading a few hundred words that could be totally made up? Most probably are.

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Many are. Me "volunteering" in my parent's home country? GTFOH.

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And he is going to succeed despite the broken system. There are a lot of out of state students paying full price that are also unqualified and struggling with the curriculum. My son will be just fine. I know that probably upsets you.

No it doesn't upset me at all and I genuinely wish him all the best. College admissions is complex, which I'm sure you know, so your sour grapes seem misplaced. Do you have data on the to support the statement you made about out of state students?

College admissions isn't that complex. You need to let in the most qualified students in. That's it. Anything else is social justice warriors penalizing groups based on demographics.

Look at his stats. He is outstanding by every measure and well above average at VT and UVa engineering. If you really think that every single admitted student is better than him, you are wrong. He has a 4.0 at VCCS and will be there next fall. I just want to point out VCCS to parents with students that have below a 4.7 GPA. I put down the wrong GPA in my first post. He had a 4.7.

No, who wants to attend a college where the students all have 1580+ and 3.95+ UW gpa?
Because the T20 schools could easily do that each and every year and still turn students away.

But the fact is colleges want a "diverse" student population because that's what works best. I want my kid to attend college with kids who are not carbon copies of them. The real world isn't like that and college shouldn't be either.

FYI---someone having a 1500 and 3.75 gpa is not really any less smart than your 1600/4.0 student. However, they might be a bit less arrogant and less entitled

Carbon copies, like smart and qualified? The world is full of smart and qualified engineers.

My son was among the most qualified and not accepted, so he found a way in via VCCS. My son worked very hard for his 4.7/1550, top 5%, Eagle Scout, 3 sports and violin, etc, etc. He did not have a sense of entitlement, but he absolutely should have been accepted into a state school. I am pointing out to parents that VCCS is a very good option for a lot of people, especially with a college admissions system as broken as Virginia's.

You can call him an arrogant teenager next year when he is a student at Tech.

F the admissions people.

I would take your story to the NYT, if I were you. Such a great story, truly. Your son will do wonderful things in this world.

To add, your situation happens more than most people (parents) realize. It is only a matter of time before people get fed up, organize, start publicizing what is happening, and do something about it.

Nooo way we would go to the NYT. He is very content to be working his way to be an engineer. If anything, he learned a bit about adversity not getting treated fairly. The world isn't fair.

I did however sign up to be a member of SFFA. They take colleges to court. I don't think the NYT or WaPo would be interested either. It doesn't fit their social agenda.

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And he is going to succeed despite the broken system. There are a lot of out of state students paying full price that are also unqualified and struggling with the curriculum. My son will be just fine. I know that probably upsets you.

No it doesn't upset me at all and I genuinely wish him all the best. College admissions is complex, which I'm sure you know, so your sour grapes seem misplaced. Do you have data on the to support the statement you made about out of state students?

College admissions isn't that complex. You need to let in the most qualified students in. That's it. Anything else is social justice warriors penalizing groups based on demographics.

Look at his stats. He is outstanding by every measure and well above average at VT and UVa engineering. If you really think that every single admitted student is better than him, you are wrong. He has a 4.0 at VCCS and will be there next fall. I just want to point out VCCS to parents with students that have below a 4.7 GPA. I put down the wrong GPA in my first post. He had a 4.7.

No, who wants to attend a college where the students all have 1580+ and 3.95+ UW gpa?
Because the T20 schools could easily do that each and every year and still turn students away.

But the fact is colleges want a "diverse" student population because that's what works best. I want my kid to attend college with kids who are not carbon copies of them. The real world isn't like that and college shouldn't be either.

FYI---someone having a 1500 and 3.75 gpa is not really any less smart than your 1600/4.0 student. However, they might be a bit less arrogant and less entitled

Carbon copies, like smart and qualified? The world is full of smart and qualified engineers.

My son was among the most qualified and not accepted, so he found a way in via VCCS. My son worked very hard for his 4.7/1550, top 5%, Eagle Scout, 3 sports and violin, etc, etc. He did not have a sense of entitlement, but he absolutely should have been accepted into a state school. I am pointing out to parents that VCCS is a very good option for a lot of people, especially with a college admissions system as broken as Virginia's.

You can call him an arrogant teenager next year when he is a student at Tech.

F the admissions people.

I would take your story to the NYT, if I were you. Such a great story, truly. Your son will do wonderful things in this world.

To add, your situation happens more than most people (parents) realize. It is only a matter of time before people get fed up, organize, start publicizing what is happening, and do something about it.

Nooo way we would go to the NYT. He is very content to be working his way to be an engineer. If anything, he learned a bit about adversity not getting treated fairly. The world isn't fair.

I did however sign up to be a member of SFFA. They take colleges to court. I don't think the NYT or WaPo would be interested either. It doesn't fit their social agenda.

+1. NP. I don’t read either NYT or Wapo for that matter. But the Wall Street Journal might be interested in the story and would treat it fairly

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Anonymous wrote:I feel for you if a 4.7/1550 can't get you into UVA, but that seems like a real outlier. Looking at Navience data for our school shows the highest stats for a denied student at UVA was a 4.4/1540 (which is still crazy that this isn't good enough). Every student with 4.45 or higher was admitted.

What is Navience data? I searched for it but couldn't find the specifics for VT. Can you please post a link?

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Anonymous wrote:I see the appeal of the vccs route for kids who just want the degree from the top university. But many kids want a traditional college experience and are social - ie wanting to join a sorority/fraternity, value social connection and on campus experience.

I agree with that, but when a white, in-state kid with a 4.7 GPA (I incorrectly wrote 4.4 in my original post) doesn't get into the school he wants to go to, it is a great option. Same for people with economic factors. My son has been awarded scholarships and grants for his entire 3 semesters (summer 2022, fall 2022, spring 2023) and will show up to VT without having spent a dime on tuition. He also has been working part time. There is a good chance will spend 3 years there as he is planning on double majoring. 3 years of college is pretty good.

VCCS will bypass the broken college admissions office. That is the best part.

Why should a top student be relegated to a school they have no interest in? Because they are white?

Why would a top student not find good safety and match schools so they are not "relegated to a school they have no interest in"? There are thousands of Top Students and not enough spaces at the "top/elite/instate" schools. So this parent has smartly figured out that VCCS is an affordable way to stay instate and get into the great affordable option if that's where you want to attend. More kids should do this.

It's not about being White or any other background. It's about there are more qualified students than spaces. And colleges want diversity on all levels---that may mean someone only has a 1450 and 3.7 and gets in over your 4.7/1550 student. It's not like VATech is admitting kids with 1000/3.0 into engineering over your kid. The differences between 1450/1550 is minimal.

It has a great deal with being white, and being an in state applicant and being a student from a large and competitive school. There is a huge difference when there is a 4.7 student not getting accepted and a 3.7 that is struggling. A 4.7 and 3.7 aren't even close.

VCCS is great because the 4.7 student can get in despite an admissions system that had been corrupted to the elite left.

Safety school are usually where people don't want to go.

How can you expect everyone to adopt your vile, racist point of view if you don't provide the unweighted GPA and the list of courses and the "core coverage" evidence? And is this a magnet school? There's nothing in what you've said so far, even with that convenient jump in reported WGPA, that would make this candidate a sure bet for UVA engineering, especially if the student is from a STEM magnet school. Angry parents constantly use boards like this to chest-thump and hair-tear in performative white fragility meltdowns, but we need more stats and info to join you in really feeling the full arc of your twenty-comment hatefest.

Haha. I guess you are one of the wokes that everyone that disagrees with affirmative action ( most people in the US) is racist.

I'm not going to post his transcript, but he was at a math and science academy and took the most difficult classes possible. I am not chest thumping,.just letting parents know about VCCS because college admissions offices are run by people like you.

In all subjects or in just math and science?

We know that rigor across the core is important at UVA. With 50,000 applications, they can pick from many excellent students, so every bit of the application matters, too.