Why are Northern Kids Flocking to Southern Universities?

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Anonymous wrote:Southern universities have moved on from covid. It’s not surprising that someone who is 18 wants to spend $60k a year on a school where you’re allowed to attend parties, don’t have to take frequent nasal swabs, and aren’t required to take repeated boosters for covid. Not to mention better weather, fun sporting events and prettier women.

All schools have moved on from COVID. The South isn't special, outside of the insidious objectification of women, which is a different kind of special.

Au contraire. Mandates are still going strong at Northeast schools. Hundreds require a booster if the student hasn't had one yet and several even require the new booster for kids who already had the old one. Some families have HAD IT with the total lack of ethics, whether they say so publicly or not.

(Let's see if this post gets censored; it is common for DCUM to remove replies like mine.)

History will undoubtedly look back on these Covid mandates unfavorably. Especially mandates for kids and teens/college students. They are completely unethical and anti-science.

My kid is still in high school, but the dogmatic way some colleges (especially here in the North) implemented these mandates is scary.

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-1 not at all. we have vaxx mandates today for kids in school, including college.

We have vaccine mandates based on science.

The Covid vaccine mandate is as anti-science as you can get. The shot doesn’t prevent transmission and it doesn’t prevent a teen from getting Covid. We also have data comparing students at colleges with Covid vaccine mandates to colleges without vaccine mandates that show how irrational the Covid vaccine/booster mandates were.

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Anonymous wrote:I think only white kids go south. We are Asian and would not consider a Southern school, besides UVa.

You don't speak for Asians.
Duke, Emory, Vanderbilt, Georgia Tech, Rice are plenty popular.

This is ridiculous. Have you been to Texas? 20% of UT student body is Asian with same at Univ of Houston. 40% at Rice and nearly 10% at the remaining TX schools. And all Texas schools have greater Hispanic populations than the entirety of the NE. As a Hispanic myself, I'd much rather be in school in Texas than anywhere on the E coast. Y'all just need to get out more.

+1 I think a lot of these posters have never been out of New England and have attended schools and lived in states with no fewer than 88% whites. They've lived their lives in a rarefied bubble. Their private high schools may be "diverse," but only if those "diverse" families have money.

100%. I'm from Texas and I was actually blown away by the lack of diversity on the E coast when I moved here. It is WHITE. I'm not really too bothered by that but there is some gall from the NE crowd to call the South "white". Texas is a minority majority state so y'all can just sit down with all that. We don't need to seek out diverse schools for our kids. The entire state is diverse. It's not some to-do list that we have for our kids. It never occurred to me that I'd need to find other Hispanic kids in schools. We are EVERYWHERE.

But ok, NE. Enjoy the bubble.

PP here. Exactly! Thank you.

+2 This weird narcissistic view that the South is just filled with a bunch of "stupid white boys" which has been uttered multiple times in this thread is completely ridiculous. Just reinforces my negative view of the NOVA and higher crowd that frequent this board. Completely out of touch narcissists that have no clue on how the rest of the country lives their lives.

so you hate stereotypes so much that you respond by stereotyping yourself.

NP. Idk. The people denigrating the southern schools in this thread demonstrably do not know what they are talking about. The Southern schools are objectively more diverse than the northeastern schools DCUM idolizes, and the posters pushing the “stupid white boy” narrative do seem wildly ignorant.

well, Alabama undergrad is 77% white, Auburn's freshman class was 84% white, Ole Miss is 77% white, Clemson is 80%, South Carolina is 77%, and these are the schools enticing kids with their merit aid for 3.5 GPAs and 32 ACT scores. So 'white' seems pretty apt.

Undergrad, per NCES:

U Alabama 11% black, 5% Hispanic
Auburn 5% black, 4% Hispanic
Ole Miss 12% black, 4% Hispanic
Clemson 6% black, 7% Hispanic
UofSC 9% black, 5% Hispanic

Which schools did you want to compare these numbers with? A sampling:

Vandy 11% black, 11% Hispanic
UVA 7% black, 7% Hispanic
Duke 8% black, 10% Hispanic
Harvard 8% black, 11% Hispanic
Yale 8% black, 15% Hispanic
Georgetown 6% black, 8% Hispanic
BU 4% black, 10% Hispanic
Northeastern 6% black, 11% Hispanic
UC Berkeley 2% black, 20% Hispanic

NP. Both of the things are true, though. Ole Miss is both a lot whiter and a lot blacker than, say, BU. You get different kinds of diversity at Southern school than you do up North, but they're also really white.

I'm a white Southerner who went north for school (partially looking for colder weather) and I was around lots of types of people I'd never really known before: Jewish students, Asians, people from other countries, etc., but I'd also never been around so few Black people. They're different experiences.

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Anonymous wrote:Southern universities have moved on from covid. It’s not surprising that someone who is 18 wants to spend $60k a year on a school where you’re allowed to attend parties, don’t have to take frequent nasal swabs, and aren’t required to take repeated boosters for covid. Not to mention better weather, fun sporting events and prettier women.

All schools have moved on from COVID. The South isn't special, outside of the insidious objectification of women, which is a different kind of special.

Au contraire. Mandates are still going strong at Northeast schools. Hundreds require a booster if the student hasn't had one yet and several even require the new booster for kids who already had the old one. Some families have HAD IT with the total lack of ethics, whether they say so publicly or not.

(Let's see if this post gets censored; it is common for DCUM to remove replies like mine.)

History will undoubtedly look back on these Covid mandates unfavorably. Especially mandates for kids and teens/college students. They are completely unethical and anti-science.

My kid is still in high school, but the dogmatic way some colleges (especially here in the North) implemented these mandates is scary.

+1

-1 not at all. we have vaxx mandates today for kids in school, including college.

We have vaccine mandates based on science.

The Covid vaccine mandate is as anti-science as you can get. The shot doesn’t prevent transmission and it doesn’t prevent a teen from getting Covid. We also have data comparing students at colleges with Covid vaccine mandates to colleges without vaccine mandates that show how irrational the Covid vaccine/booster mandates were.

It's pretty much pointless to try and talk reason to these people anymore. They are without logic and reason and are the true science deniers, we have reached a point where emotion usurps logic and virtue signaling masks and vax mandates is the new MAGA hat.

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Anonymous wrote:I think only white kids go south. We are Asian and would not consider a Southern school, besides UVa.

You don't speak for Asians.
Duke, Emory, Vanderbilt, Georgia Tech, Rice are plenty popular.

This is ridiculous. Have you been to Texas? 20% of UT student body is Asian with same at Univ of Houston. 40% at Rice and nearly 10% at the remaining TX schools. And all Texas schools have greater Hispanic populations than the entirety of the NE. As a Hispanic myself, I'd much rather be in school in Texas than anywhere on the E coast. Y'all just need to get out more.

+1 I think a lot of these posters have never been out of New England and have attended schools and lived in states with no fewer than 88% whites. They've lived their lives in a rarefied bubble. Their private high schools may be "diverse," but only if those "diverse" families have money.

100%. I'm from Texas and I was actually blown away by the lack of diversity on the E coast when I moved here. It is WHITE. I'm not really too bothered by that but there is some gall from the NE crowd to call the South "white". Texas is a minority majority state so y'all can just sit down with all that. We don't need to seek out diverse schools for our kids. The entire state is diverse. It's not some to-do list that we have for our kids. It never occurred to me that I'd need to find other Hispanic kids in schools. We are EVERYWHERE.

But ok, NE. Enjoy the bubble.

I'm Hispanic and would not send my kid to school in Texas, not a diverse representation of Hispanics there. Mostly all are Mexican or Mexican descent.

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Anonymous wrote:I think only white kids go south. We are Asian and would not consider a Southern school, besides UVa.

You don't speak for Asians.
Duke, Emory, Vanderbilt, Georgia Tech, Rice are plenty popular.

This is ridiculous. Have you been to Texas? 20% of UT student body is Asian with same at Univ of Houston. 40% at Rice and nearly 10% at the remaining TX schools. And all Texas schools have greater Hispanic populations than the entirety of the NE. As a Hispanic myself, I'd much rather be in school in Texas than anywhere on the E coast. Y'all just need to get out more.

+1 I think a lot of these posters have never been out of New England and have attended schools and lived in states with no fewer than 88% whites. They've lived their lives in a rarefied bubble. Their private high schools may be "diverse," but only if those "diverse" families have money.

100%. I'm from Texas and I was actually blown away by the lack of diversity on the E coast when I moved here. It is WHITE. I'm not really too bothered by that but there is some gall from the NE crowd to call the South "white". Texas is a minority majority state so y'all can just sit down with all that. We don't need to seek out diverse schools for our kids. The entire state is diverse. It's not some to-do list that we have for our kids. It never occurred to me that I'd need to find other Hispanic kids in schools. We are EVERYWHERE.

But ok, NE. Enjoy the bubble.

PP here. Exactly! Thank you.

+2 This weird narcissistic view that the South is just filled with a bunch of "stupid white boys" which has been uttered multiple times in this thread is completely ridiculous. Just reinforces my negative view of the NOVA and higher crowd that frequent this board. Completely out of touch narcissists that have no clue on how the rest of the country lives their lives.

so you hate stereotypes so much that you respond by stereotyping yourself.

Read the bold, my comment was specifically about the crowd that frequents this board which make their ignorance and intolerance widely know. So maybe brush up on your reading comprehension skills.

you're still stereotyping that crowd. But I guess it's ok for you to do it.

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Anonymous wrote:MY 32 ACT kid was rejected from Auburn this fall. It is crazy out there.

Do you have any idea why? No demonstrated interest perhaps?

Auburn became very popular 2 years ago, so last year they became more selective.

Naviance from 2 or 3 years ago made Auburn seem like a safety schools. A dramatic influx in applications allowed them to be far more selective. This caught a lot of us off guard.

I suspect the same will be true for Alabama and other schools. Bama has a very good recruiter in the dc metro area and the NE recruiters are good as well. They are increasing the pool so they be more selective.

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Anonymous wrote:I think only white kids go south. We are Asian and would not consider a Southern school, besides UVa.

You don't speak for Asians.
Duke, Emory, Vanderbilt, Georgia Tech, Rice are plenty popular.

This is ridiculous. Have you been to Texas? 20% of UT student body is Asian with same at Univ of Houston. 40% at Rice and nearly 10% at the remaining TX schools. And all Texas schools have greater Hispanic populations than the entirety of the NE. As a Hispanic myself, I'd much rather be in school in Texas than anywhere on the E coast. Y'all just need to get out more.

+1 I think a lot of these posters have never been out of New England and have attended schools and lived in states with no fewer than 88% whites. They've lived their lives in a rarefied bubble. Their private high schools may be "diverse," but only if those "diverse" families have money.

100%. I'm from Texas and I was actually blown away by the lack of diversity on the E coast when I moved here. It is WHITE. I'm not really too bothered by that but there is some gall from the NE crowd to call the South "white". Texas is a minority majority state so y'all can just sit down with all that. We don't need to seek out diverse schools for our kids. The entire state is diverse. It's not some to-do list that we have for our kids. It never occurred to me that I'd need to find other Hispanic kids in schools. We are EVERYWHERE.

But ok, NE. Enjoy the bubble.

PP here. Exactly! Thank you.

+2 This weird narcissistic view that the South is just filled with a bunch of "stupid white boys" which has been uttered multiple times in this thread is completely ridiculous. Just reinforces my negative view of the NOVA and higher crowd that frequent this board. Completely out of touch narcissists that have no clue on how the rest of the country lives their lives.

so you hate stereotypes so much that you respond by stereotyping yourself.

NP. Idk. The people denigrating the southern schools in this thread demonstrably do not know what they are talking about. The Southern schools are objectively more diverse than the northeastern schools DCUM idolizes, and the posters pushing the “stupid white boy” narrative do seem wildly ignorant.

well, Alabama undergrad is 77% white, Auburn's freshman class was 84% white, Ole Miss is 77% white, Clemson is 80%, South Carolina is 77%, and these are the schools enticing kids with their merit aid for 3.5 GPAs and 32 ACT scores. So 'white' seems pretty apt.

Undergrad, per NCES:

U Alabama 11% black, 5% Hispanic
Auburn 5% black, 4% Hispanic
Ole Miss 12% black, 4% Hispanic
Clemson 6% black, 7% Hispanic
UofSC 9% black, 5% Hispanic

Which schools did you want to compare these numbers with? A sampling:

Vandy 11% black, 11% Hispanic
UVA 7% black, 7% Hispanic
Duke 8% black, 10% Hispanic
Harvard 8% black, 11% Hispanic
Yale 8% black, 15% Hispanic
Georgetown 6% black, 8% Hispanic
BU 4% black, 10% Hispanic
Northeastern 6% black, 11% Hispanic
UC Berkeley 2% black, 20% Hispanic

well, Harvard is actually 15% black and 12% Latino, but thanks for playing.

you're obfuscating the point by eliminating from consideration other minorities. The point that was made was how white the university is. And most of those schools you list (putting aside the ones in the South) are not even close to 75% white.

[Anonymous]

Cold weather and the north is quite literally dying, while the Sun Belt is basically a modern gold rush. Rust Belt is never “coming back,” it’s a grey hellhole. Why waste four years of your prime in a dreary place nobody wants to live in after college? You’re in college to make connections and meet a spouse, it’s foolish to do so in a region plagued by opioids, brain drain, and a weakening GDP.

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Anonymous wrote:Cold weather and the north is quite literally dying, while the Sun Belt is basically a modern gold rush. Rust Belt is never “coming back,” it’s a grey hellhole. Why waste four years of your prime in a dreary place nobody wants to live in after college? You’re in college to make connections and meet a spouse, it’s foolish to do so in a region plagued by opioids, brain drain, and a weakening GDP.

so you solution is to go to Alabama?

better not look at this map of opioid dispensing rates, either: https://www.cdc.gov/drugoverdose/rxrate-maps/index.html. although I suppose Florida's rates could be explained solely by Rush Limbaugh.

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Anonymous wrote:MY 32 ACT kid was rejected from Auburn this fall. It is crazy out there.

Do you have any idea why? No demonstrated interest perhaps?

Auburn became very popular 2 years ago, so last year they became more selective.

Naviance from 2 or 3 years ago made Auburn seem like a safety schools. A dramatic influx in applications allowed them to be far more selective. This caught a lot of us off guard.

I suspect the same will be true for Alabama and other schools. Bama has a very good recruiter in the dc metro area and the NE recruiters are good as well. They are increasing the pool so they be more selective.

It's no secret. SEC money has allowed them to be very generous with merit aid. For a good student in Virginia, Bama is going to be cheaper than any comparable in state option.

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Anonymous wrote:Cold weather and the north is quite literally dying, while the Sun Belt is basically a modern gold rush. Rust Belt is never “coming back,” it’s a grey hellhole. Why waste four years of your prime in a dreary place nobody wants to live in after college? You’re in college to make connections and meet a spouse, it’s foolish to do so in a region plagued by opioids, brain drain, and a weakening GDP.

I'll bet on NYC or Boston as a better prospect for a college educated kid than Mississippi. Florida, Georgia, Texas, SC and NC are all flourishing. I'm not sure how much that extend that to the whole south. Louisiana and Mississippi have negative net migrations. Some of the migration is retirees, and, at least for Alabama, some of it is the state becoming an exurb for Atlanta

[Anonymous]

They have always done this. I went to a private school in the south and 85% of the out of state kids were from NY, NJ, MA.

They want to go somewhere warm and then realize quality of life is way better in the blue states up north.

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Anonymous wrote:I think only white kids go south. We are Asian and would not consider a Southern school, besides UVa.

You don't speak for Asians.
Duke, Emory, Vanderbilt, Georgia Tech, Rice are plenty popular.

This is ridiculous. Have you been to Texas? 20% of UT student body is Asian with same at Univ of Houston. 40% at Rice and nearly 10% at the remaining TX schools. And all Texas schools have greater Hispanic populations than the entirety of the NE. As a Hispanic myself, I'd much rather be in school in Texas than anywhere on the E coast. Y'all just need to get out more.

+1 I think a lot of these posters have never been out of New England and have attended schools and lived in states with no fewer than 88% whites. They've lived their lives in a rarefied bubble. Their private high schools may be "diverse," but only if those "diverse" families have money.

100%. I'm from Texas and I was actually blown away by the lack of diversity on the E coast when I moved here. It is WHITE. I'm not really too bothered by that but there is some gall from the NE crowd to call the South "white". Texas is a minority majority state so y'all can just sit down with all that. We don't need to seek out diverse schools for our kids. The entire state is diverse. It's not some to-do list that we have for our kids. It never occurred to me that I'd need to find other Hispanic kids in schools. We are EVERYWHERE.

But ok, NE. Enjoy the bubble.

PP here. Exactly! Thank you.

+2 This weird narcissistic view that the South is just filled with a bunch of "stupid white boys" which has been uttered multiple times in this thread is completely ridiculous. Just reinforces my negative view of the NOVA and higher crowd that frequent this board. Completely out of touch narcissists that have no clue on how the rest of the country lives their lives.

so you hate stereotypes so much that you respond by stereotyping yourself.

NP. Idk. The people denigrating the southern schools in this thread demonstrably do not know what they are talking about. The Southern schools are objectively more diverse than the northeastern schools DCUM idolizes, and the posters pushing the “stupid white boy” narrative do seem wildly ignorant.

well, Alabama undergrad is 77% white, Auburn's freshman class was 84% white, Ole Miss is 77% white, Clemson is 80%, South Carolina is 77%, and these are the schools enticing kids with their merit aid for 3.5 GPAs and 32 ACT scores. So 'white' seems pretty apt.

Undergrad, per NCES:

U Alabama 11% black, 5% Hispanic
Auburn 5% black, 4% Hispanic
Ole Miss 12% black, 4% Hispanic
Clemson 6% black, 7% Hispanic
UofSC 9% black, 5% Hispanic

Which schools did you want to compare these numbers with? A sampling:

Vandy 11% black, 11% Hispanic
UVA 7% black, 7% Hispanic
Duke 8% black, 10% Hispanic
Harvard 8% black, 11% Hispanic
Yale 8% black, 15% Hispanic
Georgetown 6% black, 8% Hispanic
BU 4% black, 10% Hispanic
Northeastern 6% black, 11% Hispanic
UC Berkeley 2% black, 20% Hispanic

well, Harvard is actually 15% black and 12% Latino, but thanks for playing.

you're obfuscating the point by eliminating from consideration other minorities. The point that was made was how white the university is. And most of those schools you list (putting aside the ones in the South) are not even close to 75% white.

The fall 2021 IPEDs data has Harvard undergrad at 8% black. https://nces.ed.gov/collegenavigator/?q=harvard&s=all&id=166027#enrolmt

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They have always done this. I went to a private school in the south and 85% of the out of state kids were from NY, NJ, MA.

They want to go somewhere warm and then realize quality of life is way better in the blue states up north.

In addition to the weather and slightly more laid back feel, many southern campuses are beautiful in terms of the grounds and architecture.

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It will be interesting to see what happens over the next few years, especially wrt female staff at schools in these states, when the person has other choices.

You can tell me they are diverse states and schools all you want - doesn't change state laws that put people's lives in danger.