Race in college admissions is back in front of the Supreme Court Oral Argument on Oct. 31 (Monday)

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Anonymous wrote:Doesn't colleges value a lot of 'overcoming hardships or obstacles'?

Hasn't Asians proved to be best at that, but they still get lower score? LOL

Doesn't fit with the narrative...

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Time to name your Asian/white kid Denzel or Ebony.

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Anonymous wrote:Time to name your Asian/white kid Denzel or Ebony.

No, Asians have to change their last names.

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Anonymous wrote:Legacy admissions might have some new backers after this new article:
https://hechingerreport.org/proof-points-why-elite-colleges-cant-give-up-legacy-admissions/

Wow, which school's data was used in the legacy study? Has it been called out publicly yet? Legacy admissions sound more compelling from a school's perspective based on the news story (I haven't read the actual article).

those schools are so rich with huge endowments, they could let in everyone for free for many years, or I know.. here's another thought.. maybe lower the cost so you don't need rich legacies to donate more.

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Anonymous wrote:So if a kid mentions their race or references it in an essay, what is the "fair admission" guy saying? That AOs can't use the essay?

That was one of the questions asked by (I think) Justice Jackson. There was no direct answer.

Eventually agreed that it is probably ok in that context, since an Asian student could also reference in their essay eg. discrimination that they may also have faced growing up.

I heard Jackson ask whether if you have 2 kids, one whose family has lived in NC for 5 generations and gone to UNC for 5 generations, and one whose family has lived in NC for 5 generations and could not go to UNC for 5 generations because of slavery, could they each say it was important to them to go to UNC for those reasons and could UNC consider each of those stories as factors and the plaintiffs' lawyer basically said UNC could consider the first and not the second (though he did say UNC could refuse to consider the first, and could consider first gen or low SES students).

It sounds so stpuid a kid born in 2023 is affected by the slavery of his/her slave ancestors.

Yes, stupid and very sad that this is true.

How is the kid affected by slavery today?

She gave UNC as the example, so using North Carolina you have free slaves who are immediately turned into share croppers. Thanks to another century of Jim Crow and segregation, the odds that their descendants managed to build up the kind of wealth that a white family amassed is huge. The biggest massive move into the middle class was after WWII. The GI bill effectively excluded black southern men, union factory work was also out. If they did save enough for a home, redlining and discriminatory mortgage lending ensured that it would never be as good an investment as a similarly situated white family. But these problems have been solved for a couple of decades now, so people need to stop whining.

I have posted before about how I was a part of a law suit in 2013 because of discriminatory mortgage pricing. Even with my high credit score and high income I was charged a higher rate only because I am Black. That was less than 10 years ago. Do you truly believe these problems have been solved?

Do you think Asians get less discrimination? If so why?

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Asians get discriminated more.

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2022/10/supreme-court-affirmative-action-sffa-harvard-admissions-wealth-legacy-racial-preferences-poison-ivy-book-excerpt/

They get docked points in their application for just being Asian.

We get all of the same racism, but we’re “allowed” just the tip.

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Blacks, Jews, Muslims, Asians and poor face equal discrimination. They aren't judged by personal conduct but by guilty of association they've no control over. No one gets to pick their parents.

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Anonymous wrote:So if a kid mentions their race or references it in an essay, what is the "fair admission" guy saying? That AOs can't use the essay?

That was one of the questions asked by (I think) Justice Jackson. There was no direct answer.

Eventually agreed that it is probably ok in that context, since an Asian student could also reference in their essay eg. discrimination that they may also have faced growing up.

I heard Jackson ask whether if you have 2 kids, one whose family has lived in NC for 5 generations and gone to UNC for 5 generations, and one whose family has lived in NC for 5 generations and could not go to UNC for 5 generations because of slavery, could they each say it was important to them to go to UNC for those reasons and could UNC consider each of those stories as factors and the plaintiffs' lawyer basically said UNC could consider the first and not the second (though he did say UNC could refuse to consider the first, and could consider first gen or low SES students).

It sounds so stpuid a kid born in 2023 is affected by the slavery of his/her slave ancestors.

Yes, stupid and very sad that this is true.

How is the kid affected by slavery today?

She gave UNC as the example, so using North Carolina you have free slaves who are immediately turned into share croppers. Thanks to another century of Jim Crow and segregation, the odds that their descendants managed to build up the kind of wealth that a white family amassed is huge. The biggest massive move into the middle class was after WWII. The GI bill effectively excluded black southern men, union factory work was also out. If they did save enough for a home, redlining and discriminatory mortgage lending ensured that it would never be as good an investment as a similarly situated white family. But these problems have been solved for a couple of decades now, so people need to stop whining.

I have posted before about how I was a part of a law suit in 2013 because of discriminatory mortgage pricing. Even with my high credit score and high income I was charged a higher rate only because I am Black. That was less than 10 years ago. Do you truly believe these problems have been solved?

Do you think Asians get less discrimination? If so why?

The case I was involved in looked at loans over a 5 year period and they only found discrimination towards African American and Hispanic borrowers. In this specific situation yes, Asians got less discrimination.

My response is specifically related to the comment above that said the impact of slavery should no longer impact African Americans. Sadly, it still does.

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Relevance to this particular SC case?

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Anonymous wrote:So if a kid mentions their race or references it in an essay, what is the "fair admission" guy saying? That AOs can't use the essay?

That was one of the questions asked by (I think) Justice Jackson. There was no direct answer.

Eventually agreed that it is probably ok in that context, since an Asian student could also reference in their essay eg. discrimination that they may also have faced growing up.

I heard Jackson ask whether if you have 2 kids, one whose family has lived in NC for 5 generations and gone to UNC for 5 generations, and one whose family has lived in NC for 5 generations and could not go to UNC for 5 generations because of slavery, could they each say it was important to them to go to UNC for those reasons and could UNC consider each of those stories as factors and the plaintiffs' lawyer basically said UNC could consider the first and not the second (though he did say UNC could refuse to consider the first, and could consider first gen or low SES students).

It sounds so stpuid a kid born in 2023 is affected by the slavery of his/her slave ancestors.

Yes, stupid and very sad that this is true.

How is the kid affected by slavery today?

She gave UNC as the example, so using North Carolina you have free slaves who are immediately turned into share croppers. Thanks to another century of Jim Crow and segregation, the odds that their descendants managed to build up the kind of wealth that a white family amassed is huge. The biggest massive move into the middle class was after WWII. The GI bill effectively excluded black southern men, union factory work was also out. If they did save enough for a home, redlining and discriminatory mortgage lending ensured that it would never be as good an investment as a similarly situated white family. But these problems have been solved for a couple of decades now, so people need to stop whining.

I have posted before about how I was a part of a law suit in 2013 because of discriminatory mortgage pricing. Even with my high credit score and high income I was charged a higher rate only because I am Black. That was less than 10 years ago. Do you truly believe these problems have been solved?

Do you think Asians get less discrimination? If so why?

The case I was involved in looked at loans over a 5 year period and they only found discrimination towards African American and Hispanic borrowers. In this specific situation yes, Asians got less discrimination.

My response is specifically related to the comment above that said the impact of slavery should no longer impact African Americans. Sadly, it still does.

It seems that Asians get more discrimination in college admission and also probably any less overall in the society.

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Listening to the livestream and it’s at 3:35. The lawyer for NC state affirms that race is self-reported and that they do not verify.

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Anonymous wrote:Listening to the livestream and it’s at 3:35. The lawyer for NC state affirms that race is self-reported and that they do not verify.

Does Harvard make a similar statement?

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Anonymous wrote:So if a kid mentions their race or references it in an essay, what is the "fair admission" guy saying? That AOs can't use the essay?

That was one of the questions asked by (I think) Justice Jackson. There was no direct answer.

Eventually agreed that it is probably ok in that context, since an Asian student could also reference in their essay eg. discrimination that they may also have faced growing up.

I heard Jackson ask whether if you have 2 kids, one whose family has lived in NC for 5 generations and gone to UNC for 5 generations, and one whose family has lived in NC for 5 generations and could not go to UNC for 5 generations because of slavery, could they each say it was important to them to go to UNC for those reasons and could UNC consider each of those stories as factors and the plaintiffs' lawyer basically said UNC could consider the first and not the second (though he did say UNC could refuse to consider the first, and could consider first gen or low SES students).

It sounds so stpuid a kid born in 2023 is affected by the slavery of his/her slave ancestors.

Yes, stupid and very sad that this is true.

How is the kid affected by slavery today?

She gave UNC as the example, so using North Carolina you have free slaves who are immediately turned into share croppers. Thanks to another century of Jim Crow and segregation, the odds that their descendants managed to build up the kind of wealth that a white family amassed is huge. The biggest massive move into the middle class was after WWII. The GI bill effectively excluded black southern men, union factory work was also out. If they did save enough for a home, redlining and discriminatory mortgage lending ensured that it would never be as good an investment as a similarly situated white family. But these problems have been solved for a couple of decades now, so people need to stop whining.

I have posted before about how I was a part of a law suit in 2013 because of discriminatory mortgage pricing. Even with my high credit score and high income I was charged a higher rate only because I am Black. That was less than 10 years ago. Do you truly believe these problems have been solved?

Do you think Asians get less discrimination? If so why?

The case I was involved in looked at loans over a 5 year period and they only found discrimination towards African American and Hispanic borrowers. In this specific situation yes, Asians got less discrimination.

My response is specifically related to the comment above that said the impact of slavery should no longer impact African Americans. Sadly, it still does.

It seems that Asians get more discrimination in college admission and also probably any less overall in the society.

7% of US population, but 3X the admits at Harvard.

Real discrimination there.

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Anonymous wrote:Listening to the livestream and it’s at 3:35. The lawyer for NC state affirms that race is self-reported and that they do not verify.

Does Harvard make a similar statement?

then what is the point of having that on the application?

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Anonymous wrote:So if a kid mentions their race or references it in an essay, what is the "fair admission" guy saying? That AOs can't use the essay?

That was one of the questions asked by (I think) Justice Jackson. There was no direct answer.

Eventually agreed that it is probably ok in that context, since an Asian student could also reference in their essay eg. discrimination that they may also have faced growing up.

I heard Jackson ask whether if you have 2 kids, one whose family has lived in NC for 5 generations and gone to UNC for 5 generations, and one whose family has lived in NC for 5 generations and could not go to UNC for 5 generations because of slavery, could they each say it was important to them to go to UNC for those reasons and could UNC consider each of those stories as factors and the plaintiffs' lawyer basically said UNC could consider the first and not the second (though he did say UNC could refuse to consider the first, and could consider first gen or low SES students).

It sounds so stpuid a kid born in 2023 is affected by the slavery of his/her slave ancestors.

Yes, stupid and very sad that this is true.

How is the kid affected by slavery today?

Seriously? You should do some googling about racism and how people are affected by it on a generational basis. I’m surprised you’ve never encountered information about why this is so.

Serously? you think Asians get less racism??

Yes, seriously. It is nothing like the effects of racism aimed at black Americans over the years. It is something that happened in the US, so it is something that US institutions should be part of helping to ameliorate the effects of.

Asian Americans are discriminated more. Just look at all the hate crimes and violence perpetrated against Asians in the last 2.5 years and conscious lack of media coverage.

You really need to learn some American history. Wow.