Race in college admissions is back in front of the Supreme Court Oral Argument on Oct. 31 (Monday)

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Anonymous wrote:Doesn't colleges value a lot of 'overcoming hardships or obstacles'?

Hasn't Asians proved to be best at that, but they still get lower score? LOL

Asians are not a monolith. Some have overcome hardships, whereas others have not. Not sure where you get “proved to be best.” Many groups hve overcome hardships. Not sure there is a study on that. The Jews may have a better claim if there is a hardship prize. The schools do a holistic review, so if your kid has a hardship story, it will be considered.

Not sure why you are LOLing, but glad you are having fun.

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Anonymous wrote:it doesn't matter which race, but we should not allow foreigner nationals to take spots especially for state-funded schools

I agree block Chinese from CCP all you want.

Don't discrimiante Chinese Americans.

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Anonymous wrote:Doesn't colleges value a lot of 'overcoming hardships or obstacles'?

Hasn't Asians proved to be best at that, but they still get lower score? LOL

Asians are not a monolith. Some have overcome hardships, whereas others have not. Not sure where you get “proved to be best.” Many groups hve overcome hardships. Not sure there is a study on that. The Jews may have a better claim if there is a hardship prize. The schools do a holistic review, so if your kid has a hardship story, it will be considered.

Not sure why you are LOLing, but glad you are having fun.

Oh yea you are right I forgot about Jews. I agree to that.

I actually find it funny how they use race classification and Asians as a group get lower 'personal score'

Not having fun, but it's unpleasantly funny.

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The SCOTUS will ban AA next June.

July 2023: massive permanent shift to test-optional.

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Anonymous wrote:The SCOTUS will ban AA next June.

July 2023: massive permanent shift to test-optional.

Why?

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Anonymous wrote:The SCOTUS will ban AA next June.

July 2023: massive permanent shift to test-optional.

hasn't that already happened?

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Anonymous wrote:The SCOTUS will ban AA next June.

July 2023: massive permanent shift to test-optional.

Why?

The schools will still want diversity.

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Anonymous wrote:So if a kid mentions their race or references it in an essay, what is the "fair admission" guy saying? That AOs can't use the essay?

That was one of the questions asked by (I think) Justice Jackson. There was no direct answer.

Eventually agreed that it is probably ok in that context, since an Asian student could also reference in their essay eg. discrimination that they may also have faced growing up.

I heard Jackson ask whether if you have 2 kids, one whose family has lived in NC for 5 generations and gone to UNC for 5 generations, and one whose family has lived in NC for 5 generations and could not go to UNC for 5 generations because of slavery, could they each say it was important to them to go to UNC for those reasons and could UNC consider each of those stories as factors and the plaintiffs' lawyer basically said UNC could consider the first and not the second (though he did say UNC could refuse to consider the first, and could consider first gen or low SES students).

It sounds so stpuid a kid born in 2023 is affected by the slavery of his/her slave ancestors.

Yes, stupid and very sad that this is true.

How is the kid affected by slavery today?

She gave UNC as the example, so using North Carolina you have free slaves who are immediately turned into share croppers. Thanks to another century of Jim Crow and segregation, the odds that their descendants managed to build up the kind of wealth that a white family amassed is huge. The biggest massive move into the middle class was after WWII. The GI bill effectively excluded black southern men, union factory work was also out. If they did save enough for a home, redlining and discriminatory mortgage lending ensured that it would never be as good an investment as a similarly situated white family. But these problems have been solved for a couple of decades now, so people need to stop whining.

I have posted before about how I was a part of a law suit in 2013 because of discriminatory mortgage pricing. Even with my high credit score and high income I was charged a higher rate only because I am Black. That was less than 10 years ago. Do you truly believe these problems have been solved?

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The schools will still want diversity.

Come on, TO doesn't ensure diversity.

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Anonymous wrote:Doesn't colleges value a lot of 'overcoming hardships or obstacles'?

Hasn't Asians proved to be best at that, but they still get lower score? LOL

Asians are not a monolith. Some have overcome hardships, whereas others have not. Not sure where you get “proved to be best.” Many groups hve overcome hardships. Not sure there is a study on that. The Jews may have a better claim if there is a hardship prize. The schools do a holistic review, so if your kid has a hardship story, it will be considered.

Not sure why you are LOLing, but glad you are having fun.

Oh yea you are right I forgot about Jews. I agree to that.

I actually find it funny how they use race classification and Asians as a group get lower 'personal score'

Not having fun, but it's unpleasantly funny.

Low personal score according to unfair standards, just like beauty standards.

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Anonymous wrote:So if a kid mentions their race or references it in an essay, what is the "fair admission" guy saying? That AOs can't use the essay?

That was one of the questions asked by (I think) Justice Jackson. There was no direct answer.

Eventually agreed that it is probably ok in that context, since an Asian student could also reference in their essay eg. discrimination that they may also have faced growing up.

I heard Jackson ask whether if you have 2 kids, one whose family has lived in NC for 5 generations and gone to UNC for 5 generations, and one whose family has lived in NC for 5 generations and could not go to UNC for 5 generations because of slavery, could they each say it was important to them to go to UNC for those reasons and could UNC consider each of those stories as factors and the plaintiffs' lawyer basically said UNC could consider the first and not the second (though he did say UNC could refuse to consider the first, and could consider first gen or low SES students).

It sounds so stpuid a kid born in 2023 is affected by the slavery of his/her slave ancestors.

Yes, stupid and very sad that this is true.

How is the kid affected by slavery today?

She gave UNC as the example, so using North Carolina you have free slaves who are immediately turned into share croppers. Thanks to another century of Jim Crow and segregation, the odds that their descendants managed to build up the kind of wealth that a white family amassed is huge. The biggest massive move into the middle class was after WWII. The GI bill effectively excluded black southern men, union factory work was also out. If they did save enough for a home, redlining and discriminatory mortgage lending ensured that it would never be as good an investment as a similarly situated white family. But these problems have been solved for a couple of decades now, so people need to stop whining.

Uh... Korea, Japan, Vietnam, China all went through major wars, and a lot of immigrants came here without much, and they get as much as discrimination

ok, what exactly does the State of North Carolina owe a Chinese immigrant?

Tax paying citizens??????????????????

ok. On the other hand you have victims of 200+ years of state policy specifically intended to keep a group poor and powerless.

LMFAO, why are Chinese American citizens sacrificed with racial dicrimination for something the State did to Blacks 100 years ago??

If the State owes something to Blacks, pay it.
Why make Chinese Citizens pay for the State. DUH

Keep trying, you almost have a coherent thought

I thought so you don't have any logic.

There's a little bit of back sliding with this one. Punctuation can be helpful, but I'm not sure that a comma can do anything for that one.

You have a comma and period, but no logic.

There you go. You wrote a complete sentence with both proper punctuation and subject-verb agreement. You deserve a cookie.

What's your actual point? Grammar policing?

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The schools will still want diversity.

Come on, TO doesn't ensure diversity.

The colleges want a diverse class so they will prioritize admission criteria that allow them to have this, whatever that may be.

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Anonymous wrote:there is only 1 race, the human race

Indeed but when arguing against racism, it sounds like, " all lives matter". Of course every person matters but we need to treat everyone as an equal, delusion of grandeur and supremacy needs to see light of the day.

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Victim mindset is equally destructive.

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Anonymous wrote:So if a kid mentions their race or references it in an essay, what is the "fair admission" guy saying? That AOs can't use the essay?

That was one of the questions asked by (I think) Justice Jackson. There was no direct answer.

Eventually agreed that it is probably ok in that context, since an Asian student could also reference in their essay eg. discrimination that they may also have faced growing up.

I heard Jackson ask whether if you have 2 kids, one whose family has lived in NC for 5 generations and gone to UNC for 5 generations, and one whose family has lived in NC for 5 generations and could not go to UNC for 5 generations because of slavery, could they each say it was important to them to go to UNC for those reasons and could UNC consider each of those stories as factors and the plaintiffs' lawyer basically said UNC could consider the first and not the second (though he did say UNC could refuse to consider the first, and could consider first gen or low SES students).

It sounds so stpuid a kid born in 2023 is affected by the slavery of his/her slave ancestors.

Yes, stupid and very sad that this is true.

How is the kid affected by slavery today?

Seriously? You should do some googling about racism and how people are affected by it on a generational basis. I’m surprised you’ve never encountered information about why this is so.

Serously? you think Asians get less racism??

Yes, seriously. It is nothing like the effects of racism aimed at black Americans over the years. It is something that happened in the US, so it is something that US institutions should be part of helping to ameliorate the effects of.

Asian Americans are discriminated more. Just look at all the hate crimes and violence perpetrated against Asians in the last 2.5 years and conscious lack of media coverage.