Some U.S. students re-think college plans in states with abortion bans

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Anonymous wrote:How many abortions are these girls trying to get in the next four years?

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If this was my DD's biggest concern in choosing a college, I would consider myself a massive failure as her mother.

Meanwhile, please tell your smart DD's to go right ahead and take Duke, Emory, Rice etc off of their lists!!! My rising HS junior DD would be delighted not to have the competition from these pious fools.

My daughter’s - and son’s - big concern is the treatment of women. And the attack on their personal liberties.

You want your kids to sit back while human rights are being attacked? Sounds like bad parenting.

What about the future women whose lives are now being saved? You don't care at all about them? Sounds like bad parenting to me.

You mean the unwanted fetuses?

That is beyond sick to force women to give birth to children they don’t want.

Every child deserves to be wanted.

Wow. I truly hope you are not a parent. Anyone who refers to "unwanted fetuses" has a screw or two loose.

Banning abortion doesn’t suddenly make all of those fetuses wanted.

You are forcing women to give birth to these unwanted fetuses. You aren’t “saving” them. You’re condemning them to a life of being unwanted.

This is so offensive it's hard to imagine it was posted by a grown woman. I have DC that have come out of my vagina and one that's adopted. My adopted DC was never unwanted -- his parents were too young to care for him. I know a lot of parents with adopted DC. They are not doomed to a life of being unwanted. What an idiotic thing to say.

I am pro-choice but I find so much of the pro-choice argument to be repulsive. This one is a first, though.

There are always exceptions. Sounds like that teen mom didn’t choose abortion. Unless she was forced into adoption by her parents?

Many women choose abortion because they don’t want the fetus. Even if these unwanted fetuses are eventually adopted they are still unwanted by their mothers.

You get more offensive with each post. Children who are adopted have a mother who wants them. A mother is the one who raises the child.

Can't believe there are actually idiots like this out there in the world, trying to convince people that abortion is logical if an "fetus is unwanted by the mother." Unbelievable. Again, I am pro-choice but these arguments are just idiotic.

There will always be a connection to the birth mother. It’s not like that just goes away, regardless of other relationships. Two members of my extended family were adopted as babies and struggle as adults with their relationship (or lack thereof) with their birth mothers. It’s heart wrenching.

Of course, many women abort because they don’t want to be pregnant, to give birth, or to be a (birth) mother. It’s not the only reason but it’s common.don’t be obtuse.

You're talking about these people like they're dogs who should be put down rather than suffer. So what if adopted babies struggle as adults with their adoption? Is there a person on this planet who does not have an emotional, psychological or physical struggle they've been dealt? Again, I am pro-choice, but these arguments are APPALLING.

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Anonymous wrote:"The U.S. Supreme Court's decision in June to overturn the 1973 Roe v. Wade case that legalized abortion nationwide has some students rethinking their higher education plans as states rush to ban or curtail abortion, according to interviews with 20 students and college advisers across the country.

For some students, the restrictions raise fears that they won't be able to get an abortion if they need one or that they will face discrimination for gender differences. Others said they worried about facing racial prejudice or being politically ostracized.

"I'm only in high school right now, and I'm still finding out who I am," said Samira Murad, 17, who will be a senior this fall at Stuyvesant High School in New York. "I don't want to move somewhere I can't be myself because of laws put in place."

It is too soon to determine whether such concerns will affect admissions in a measurable way, and evidence from other recent divisive state laws suggests there may be little overall impact.

But in the wake of Roe's overturn, college counselors said abortion has figured prominently in many conversations with clients, with some going as far as nixing their dream schools."

Kristen Willmott, a counselor with Top Tier Admissions in Massachusetts, said students she works with have told her they are taking some top schools in Texas, Florida and Tennessee off their application lists due to their restrictive abortion laws.

Alexis Prisco, who is entering her senior year at Eastern Technical High School in Maryland, had planned to apply to her parents' alma mater, Washington University in St. Louis, Missouri."

https://news.yahoo.com/u-students-think-college-plans-101417689.html

What the hell? I'm pro-choice but that quote is insanity. Abortion is not birth control. Someone please inform this girl of that.

+1000. Translation: I don't want to move somewhere that I have to act responsibly and put a lid on my wild sex life.

You want to force all college kids to abstain from sex?

You can’t force your religious views on others.

Who said anything about abstinence? Did you just wake up from a coma? Tell your children to USE BIRTH CONTROL. Birth control was supposed to be the big sexual liberator for women. What happened to that idea?

Thomas said Griswald v Connecticut should be overturned. He has the votes in SCOTUS. He has asked the far right to bring them the case.

Other than voting I don't know what else to do about this. How would they enforce a ban on sodomy, only the Lord knows. However, I do know the LGBT lobby is stronger than the women lobby.

No, Thomas does NOT have the votes to overrule Griswold. No other justices joined his concurring opinion and the majority opinion expressly states that "nothing in this opinion should be understood to cast doubt on precedents that do not concern abortion." Is there are remote possibility? I suppose so, but talking like it's a foregone conclusion is the product of hysteria.

You cannot be that naive? Damn. Those same people also said they followed stare decisis. How did that work out.

I'm not being naive, just rational. The PP in question made a factual, declarative statement -- that Thomas has the votes to overturn Griswold. The PP provided no credible evidence to support this factual assertion because it is NOT factual, but purely speculative. Would Thomas like to overturn Griswold? He very well might. Is there one or two other justices who also might? Perhaps. But again, that's all speculative and as I pointed out, the available, credible evidence (e.g. Thomas wrote for himself and other majority justices expressly distanced themselves from him) indicates that Thomas does NOT have the votes. But feel free to believe whatever you'd like.

At least 4 justices lied during confirmation hearings by saying Roe was "settled law." Roe was reaffirmed in multiple cases, by D and R appointed Justices. ALL of those Justices over 50 eyars were wrong? Yeah, ok. They overturned it BECAUSE THEY COULD. Period. And saying that it is not precedential for other cases that Roe supported is more of them lying out of their a$$es.

I didn't say that Roe was decided incorrectly. And what you wrote does not change the fact that claims that the Supreme Court will overturn Griswold are purely speculative and that there is credible evidence indicating otherwise.

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Anonymous wrote:"The U.S. Supreme Court's decision in June to overturn the 1973 Roe v. Wade case that legalized abortion nationwide has some students rethinking their higher education plans as states rush to ban or curtail abortion, according to interviews with 20 students and college advisers across the country.

For some students, the restrictions raise fears that they won't be able to get an abortion if they need one or that they will face discrimination for gender differences. Others said they worried about facing racial prejudice or being politically ostracized.

"I'm only in high school right now, and I'm still finding out who I am," said Samira Murad, 17, who will be a senior this fall at Stuyvesant High School in New York. "I don't want to move somewhere I can't be myself because of laws put in place."

It is too soon to determine whether such concerns will affect admissions in a measurable way, and evidence from other recent divisive state laws suggests there may be little overall impact.

But in the wake of Roe's overturn, college counselors said abortion has figured prominently in many conversations with clients, with some going as far as nixing their dream schools."

Kristen Willmott, a counselor with Top Tier Admissions in Massachusetts, said students she works with have told her they are taking some top schools in Texas, Florida and Tennessee off their application lists due to their restrictive abortion laws.

Alexis Prisco, who is entering her senior year at Eastern Technical High School in Maryland, had planned to apply to her parents' alma mater, Washington University in St. Louis, Missouri."

https://news.yahoo.com/u-students-think-college-plans-101417689.html

What the hell? I'm pro-choice but that quote is insanity. Abortion is not birth control. Someone please inform this girl of that.

+1000. Translation: I don't want to move somewhere that I have to act responsibly and put a lid on my wild sex life.

You want to force all college kids to abstain from sex?

You can’t force your religious views on others.

Who said anything about abstinence? Did you just wake up from a coma? Tell your children to USE BIRTH CONTROL. Birth control was supposed to be the big sexual liberator for women. What happened to that idea?

Thomas said Griswald v Connecticut should be overturned. He has the votes in SCOTUS. He has asked the far right to bring them the case.

Other than voting I don't know what else to do about this. How would they enforce a ban on sodomy, only the Lord knows. However, I do know the LGBT lobby is stronger than the women lobby.

No, Thomas does NOT have the votes to overrule Griswold. No other justices joined his concurring opinion and the majority opinion expressly states that "nothing in this opinion should be understood to cast doubt on precedents that do not concern abortion." Is there are remote possibility? I suppose so, but talking like it's a foregone conclusion is the product of hysteria.

You mean, just like we said they were coming for RvW - remember all of those SCOTUS hearing discussions? VA election discussions?

Sit TF down.

LOTS of anti-abortion people use birth control and have no interest in getting rid of it. That's just one reason there's a big difference between overturning Roe and overturning Griswold.

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Anonymous wrote:"The U.S. Supreme Court's decision in June to overturn the 1973 Roe v. Wade case that legalized abortion nationwide has some students rethinking their higher education plans as states rush to ban or curtail abortion, according to interviews with 20 students and college advisers across the country.

For some students, the restrictions raise fears that they won't be able to get an abortion if they need one or that they will face discrimination for gender differences. Others said they worried about facing racial prejudice or being politically ostracized.

"I'm only in high school right now, and I'm still finding out who I am," said Samira Murad, 17, who will be a senior this fall at Stuyvesant High School in New York. "I don't want to move somewhere I can't be myself because of laws put in place."

It is too soon to determine whether such concerns will affect admissions in a measurable way, and evidence from other recent divisive state laws suggests there may be little overall impact.

But in the wake of Roe's overturn, college counselors said abortion has figured prominently in many conversations with clients, with some going as far as nixing their dream schools."

Kristen Willmott, a counselor with Top Tier Admissions in Massachusetts, said students she works with have told her they are taking some top schools in Texas, Florida and Tennessee off their application lists due to their restrictive abortion laws.

Alexis Prisco, who is entering her senior year at Eastern Technical High School in Maryland, had planned to apply to her parents' alma mater, Washington University in St. Louis, Missouri."

https://news.yahoo.com/u-students-think-college-plans-101417689.html

What the hell? I'm pro-choice but that quote is insanity. Abortion is not birth control. Someone please inform this girl of that.

+1000. Translation: I don't want to move somewhere that I have to act responsibly and put a lid on my wild sex life.

You want to force all college kids to abstain from sex?

You can’t force your religious views on others.

Who said anything about abstinence? Did you just wake up from a coma? Tell your children to USE BIRTH CONTROL. Birth control was supposed to be the big sexual liberator for women. What happened to that idea?

Thomas said Griswald v Connecticut should be overturned. He has the votes in SCOTUS. He has asked the far right to bring them the case.

Other than voting I don't know what else to do about this. How would they enforce a ban on sodomy, only the Lord knows. However, I do know the LGBT lobby is stronger than the women lobby.

No, Thomas does NOT have the votes to overrule Griswold. No other justices joined his concurring opinion and the majority opinion expressly states that "nothing in this opinion should be understood to cast doubt on precedents that do not concern abortion." Is there are remote possibility? I suppose so, but talking like it's a foregone conclusion is the product of hysteria.

You cannot be that naive? Damn. Those same people also said they followed stare decisis. How did that work out.

I'm not being naive, just rational. The PP in question made a factual, declarative statement -- that Thomas has the votes to overturn Griswold. The PP provided no credible evidence to support this factual assertion because it is NOT factual, but purely speculative. Would Thomas like to overturn Griswold? He very well might. Is there one or two other justices who also might? Perhaps. But again, that's all speculative and as I pointed out, the available, credible evidence (e.g. Thomas wrote for himself and other majority justices expressly distanced themselves from him) indicates that Thomas does NOT have the votes. But feel free to believe whatever you'd like.

LOL. Yeah OK. Your reasoning was the exact same reasoning that many people thought about the overturning of RvW, until it wasn't. Griswald and Roe were based on the same 14A and Right to Privacy. Dobbs, the case that determined that the 14A does not imbue the RTP says you're wrong. But keep hope alive PP. You remind me of those people walking around unaware with their heads buried until somebody walks right up on you and knock you out. Unprepared and full of disbelief, but you had been previously warned and you never thought it could happen to you.

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Anonymous wrote:How many abortions are these girls trying to get in the next four years?

+1000

If this was my DD's biggest concern in choosing a college, I would consider myself a massive failure as her mother.

Meanwhile, please tell your smart DD's to go right ahead and take Duke, Emory, Rice etc off of their lists!!! My rising HS junior DD would be delighted not to have the competition from these pious fools.

My daughter’s - and son’s - big concern is the treatment of women. And the attack on their personal liberties.

You want your kids to sit back while human rights are being attacked? Sounds like bad parenting.

What about the future women whose lives are now being saved? You don't care at all about them? Sounds like bad parenting to me.

You mean the unwanted fetuses?

That is beyond sick to force women to give birth to children they don’t want.

Every child deserves to be wanted.

Wow. I truly hope you are not a parent. Anyone who refers to "unwanted fetuses" has a screw or two loose.

Banning abortion doesn’t suddenly make all of those fetuses wanted.

You are forcing women to give birth to these unwanted fetuses. You aren’t “saving” them. You’re condemning them to a life of being unwanted.

This is so offensive it's hard to imagine it was posted by a grown woman. I have DC that have come out of my vagina and one that's adopted. My adopted DC was never unwanted -- his parents were too young to care for him. I know a lot of parents with adopted DC. They are not doomed to a life of being unwanted. What an idiotic thing to say.

I am pro-choice but I find so much of the pro-choice argument to be repulsive. This one is a first, though.

There are always exceptions. Sounds like that teen mom didn’t choose abortion. Unless she was forced into adoption by her parents?

Many women choose abortion because they don’t want the fetus. Even if these unwanted fetuses are eventually adopted they are still unwanted by their mothers.

You get more offensive with each post. Children who are adopted have a mother who wants them. A mother is the one who raises the child.

Can't believe there are actually idiots like this out there in the world, trying to convince people that abortion is logical if an "fetus is unwanted by the mother." Unbelievable. Again, I am pro-choice but these arguments are just idiotic.

There will always be a connection to the birth mother. It’s not like that just goes away, regardless of other relationships. Two members of my extended family were adopted as babies and struggle as adults with their relationship (or lack thereof) with their birth mothers. It’s heart wrenching.

Of course, many women abort because they don’t want to be pregnant, to give birth, or to be a (birth) mother. It’s not the only reason but it’s common.don’t be obtuse.

You're talking about these people like they're dogs who should be put down rather than suffer. So what if adopted babies struggle as adults with their adoption? Is there a person on this planet who does not have an emotional, psychological or physical struggle they've been dealt? Again, I am pro-choice, but these arguments are APPALLING.

As an adoptee, I tell you that you are the appalling one. The only babies who should be born are those wanted by their birth mothers.


Adoption has too much trauma and loss and should be used sparingly.

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Anonymous wrote:"The U.S. Supreme Court's decision in June to overturn the 1973 Roe v. Wade case that legalized abortion nationwide has some students rethinking their higher education plans as states rush to ban or curtail abortion, according to interviews with 20 students and college advisers across the country.

For some students, the restrictions raise fears that they won't be able to get an abortion if they need one or that they will face discrimination for gender differences. Others said they worried about facing racial prejudice or being politically ostracized.

"I'm only in high school right now, and I'm still finding out who I am," said Samira Murad, 17, who will be a senior this fall at Stuyvesant High School in New York. "I don't want to move somewhere I can't be myself because of laws put in place."

It is too soon to determine whether such concerns will affect admissions in a measurable way, and evidence from other recent divisive state laws suggests there may be little overall impact.

But in the wake of Roe's overturn, college counselors said abortion has figured prominently in many conversations with clients, with some going as far as nixing their dream schools."

Kristen Willmott, a counselor with Top Tier Admissions in Massachusetts, said students she works with have told her they are taking some top schools in Texas, Florida and Tennessee off their application lists due to their restrictive abortion laws.

Alexis Prisco, who is entering her senior year at Eastern Technical High School in Maryland, had planned to apply to her parents' alma mater, Washington University in St. Louis, Missouri."

https://news.yahoo.com/u-students-think-college-plans-101417689.html

What the hell? I'm pro-choice but that quote is insanity. Abortion is not birth control. Someone please inform this girl of that.

+1000. Translation: I don't want to move somewhere that I have to act responsibly and put a lid on my wild sex life.

You want to force all college kids to abstain from sex?

You can’t force your religious views on others.

Who said anything about abstinence? Did you just wake up from a coma? Tell your children to USE BIRTH CONTROL. Birth control was supposed to be the big sexual liberator for women. What happened to that idea?

Thomas said Griswald v Connecticut should be overturned. He has the votes in SCOTUS. He has asked the far right to bring them the case.

Other than voting I don't know what else to do about this. How would they enforce a ban on sodomy, only the Lord knows. However, I do know the LGBT lobby is stronger than the women lobby.

No, Thomas does NOT have the votes to overrule Griswold. No other justices joined his concurring opinion and the majority opinion expressly states that "nothing in this opinion should be understood to cast doubt on precedents that do not concern abortion." Is there are remote possibility? I suppose so, but talking like it's a foregone conclusion is the product of hysteria.

You cannot be that naive? Damn. Those same people also said they followed stare decisis. How did that work out.

I'm not being naive, just rational. The PP in question made a factual, declarative statement -- that Thomas has the votes to overturn Griswold. The PP provided no credible evidence to support this factual assertion because it is NOT factual, but purely speculative. Would Thomas like to overturn Griswold? He very well might. Is there one or two other justices who also might? Perhaps. But again, that's all speculative and as I pointed out, the available, credible evidence (e.g. Thomas wrote for himself and other majority justices expressly distanced themselves from him) indicates that Thomas does NOT have the votes. But feel free to believe whatever you'd like.

At least 4 justices lied during confirmation hearings by saying Roe was "settled law." Roe was reaffirmed in multiple cases, by D and R appointed Justices. ALL of those Justices over 50 eyars were wrong? Yeah, ok. They overturned it BECAUSE THEY COULD. Period. And saying that it is not precedential for other cases that Roe supported is more of them lying out of their a$$es.

I didn't say that Roe was decided incorrectly. And what you wrote does not change the fact that claims that the Supreme Court will overturn Griswold are purely speculative and that there is credible evidence indicating otherwise.

Was Dobbs speculative?

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Anonymous wrote:How many abortions are these girls trying to get in the next four years?

+1000

If this was my DD's biggest concern in choosing a college, I would consider myself a massive failure as her mother.

Meanwhile, please tell your smart DD's to go right ahead and take Duke, Emory, Rice etc off of their lists!!! My rising HS junior DD would be delighted not to have the competition from these pious fools.

My daughter’s - and son’s - big concern is the treatment of women. And the attack on their personal liberties.

You want your kids to sit back while human rights are being attacked? Sounds like bad parenting.

What about the future women whose lives are now being saved? You don't care at all about them? Sounds like bad parenting to me.

You mean the unwanted fetuses?

That is beyond sick to force women to give birth to children they don’t want.

Every child deserves to be wanted.

Wow. I truly hope you are not a parent. Anyone who refers to "unwanted fetuses" has a screw or two loose.

Banning abortion doesn’t suddenly make all of those fetuses wanted.

You are forcing women to give birth to these unwanted fetuses. You aren’t “saving” them. You’re condemning them to a life of being unwanted.

This is so offensive it's hard to imagine it was posted by a grown woman. I have DC that have come out of my vagina and one that's adopted. My adopted DC was never unwanted -- his parents were too young to care for him. I know a lot of parents with adopted DC. They are not doomed to a life of being unwanted. What an idiotic thing to say.

I am pro-choice but I find so much of the pro-choice argument to be repulsive. This one is a first, though.

There are always exceptions. Sounds like that teen mom didn’t choose abortion. Unless she was forced into adoption by her parents?

Many women choose abortion because they don’t want the fetus. Even if these unwanted fetuses are eventually adopted they are still unwanted by their mothers.

You get more offensive with each post. Children who are adopted have a mother who wants them. A mother is the one who raises the child.

Can't believe there are actually idiots like this out there in the world, trying to convince people that abortion is logical if an "fetus is unwanted by the mother." Unbelievable. Again, I am pro-choice but these arguments are just idiotic.

There will always be a connection to the birth mother. It’s not like that just goes away, regardless of other relationships. Two members of my extended family were adopted as babies and struggle as adults with their relationship (or lack thereof) with their birth mothers. It’s heart wrenching.

Of course, many women abort because they don’t want to be pregnant, to give birth, or to be a (birth) mother. It’s not the only reason but it’s common.don’t be obtuse.

You're talking about these people like they're dogs who should be put down rather than suffer. So what if adopted babies struggle as adults with their adoption? Is there a person on this planet who does not have an emotional, psychological or physical struggle they've been dealt? Again, I am pro-choice, but these arguments are APPALLING.

You two are talking past each other. You said every child is wanted. PPP said, she was not wanted. She wasn't wanted by her birth family and no other family wanted to adopt her. How could you ignore her feelings or think you know better because you adopted a child. Let me guess, was it a healthy child that was a toddler or younger?

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Anonymous wrote:Also, pro adoption mom, you should open your eyes and ears. Lots of adoptees feel like me.

So you'd rather be dead?

I'm someone who aged out of the system and yes, there are many times when I believed it would have been better for my birth mother to have aborted me rather than go through with the pregnancy. But that's what happens when a crack addict who is not all there in the head has a kid. It took a lot of therapy to understand those feelings and deal with them. I still believe that. I'd never wish my childhood life of ANY person.

I went into the system fulltime at age 6. Even though I was white with blonde hair & blue eyes, the most desired of all adoptable kids, I was way too damaged to ever be seriously considered adoptable. First of all, I was ancient at 6 years old. Second of all, I had been born addicted to drugs. Thirdly, I had gone into the system once previously due to severe neglect and had been labeled a failure to thrive.

My life was bouncing between foster homes and building up so much internal hatred for everyone and everything around me. I was a big ball of hate and rage until age 13 when my new case worker told me that if I kept it up, I'd be dead by 18 and prove everyone who'd said something negative about me right. There was something about her that resonated with me when others had not. She saved me. I got my shit together in school and took the anger management courses I had been assigned seriously (after not taking them seriously the first time). I got some therapy, too, which helped, but definitely not as much as I needed back then.

Every damn day of my life from age birth to 20 was a struggle just to survive. It wasn't until age 20 that things started to really turn around for me... I had made my own family through friends, I had places to go to during school breaks, I landed a great job that paid well and allowed me to do my schoolwork during the downtime so I was able to start really saving some money, etc. I mean, my life wasn't great like it is now and I did still struggle, but instead of feeling like I was treading water and the bottom of my lip was halfway underwater, it felt like my whole neck was out of the water and that was the first time I'd ever felt that way.

I get so angry when I hear people say "there's always adoption!" because that's a big f#cking lie. If you're not white, perfectly healthy, and under age 1, your chances of getting adopted dwindle each year.

I'm here to tell you that what comes after a forced pregnancy is NOT adoption. It's a big ass nightmarish struggle that will break almost all people.

What does this have to do with abortion vs adoption? You went into the system at 6 because you had a terrible mother. Don't you think everyone who suffers in life thinks, I wish I had never been born? That's not really what this debate is about.

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Anonymous wrote:"The U.S. Supreme Court's decision in June to overturn the 1973 Roe v. Wade case that legalized abortion nationwide has some students rethinking their higher education plans as states rush to ban or curtail abortion, according to interviews with 20 students and college advisers across the country.

For some students, the restrictions raise fears that they won't be able to get an abortion if they need one or that they will face discrimination for gender differences. Others said they worried about facing racial prejudice or being politically ostracized.

"I'm only in high school right now, and I'm still finding out who I am," said Samira Murad, 17, who will be a senior this fall at Stuyvesant High School in New York. "I don't want to move somewhere I can't be myself because of laws put in place."

It is too soon to determine whether such concerns will affect admissions in a measurable way, and evidence from other recent divisive state laws suggests there may be little overall impact.

But in the wake of Roe's overturn, college counselors said abortion has figured prominently in many conversations with clients, with some going as far as nixing their dream schools."

Kristen Willmott, a counselor with Top Tier Admissions in Massachusetts, said students she works with have told her they are taking some top schools in Texas, Florida and Tennessee off their application lists due to their restrictive abortion laws.

Alexis Prisco, who is entering her senior year at Eastern Technical High School in Maryland, had planned to apply to her parents' alma mater, Washington University in St. Louis, Missouri."

https://news.yahoo.com/u-students-think-college-plans-101417689.html

What the hell? I'm pro-choice but that quote is insanity. Abortion is not birth control. Someone please inform this girl of that.

+1000. Translation: I don't want to move somewhere that I have to act responsibly and put a lid on my wild sex life.

You want to force all college kids to abstain from sex?

You can’t force your religious views on others.

Who said anything about abstinence? Did you just wake up from a coma? Tell your children to USE BIRTH CONTROL. Birth control was supposed to be the big sexual liberator for women. What happened to that idea?

Thomas said Griswald v Connecticut should be overturned. He has the votes in SCOTUS. He has asked the far right to bring them the case.

Other than voting I don't know what else to do about this. How would they enforce a ban on sodomy, only the Lord knows. However, I do know the LGBT lobby is stronger than the women lobby.

No, Thomas does NOT have the votes to overrule Griswold. No other justices joined his concurring opinion and the majority opinion expressly states that "nothing in this opinion should be understood to cast doubt on precedents that do not concern abortion." Is there are remote possibility? I suppose so, but talking like it's a foregone conclusion is the product of hysteria.

You mean, just like we said they were coming for RvW - remember all of those SCOTUS hearing discussions? VA election discussions?

Sit TF down.

LOTS of anti-abortion people use birth control and have no interest in getting rid of it. That's just one reason there's a big difference between overturning Roe and overturning Griswold.

Does it not depend on the type of BC. After all, isn't your argument that all life begins at conception? If so, that eliminates certain contraceptives.

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Anonymous wrote:Also, pro adoption mom, you should open your eyes and ears. Lots of adoptees feel like me.

So you'd rather be dead?

I'm someone who aged out of the system and yes, there are many times when I believed it would have been better for my birth mother to have aborted me rather than go through with the pregnancy. But that's what happens when a crack addict who is not all there in the head has a kid. It took a lot of therapy to understand those feelings and deal with them. I still believe that. I'd never wish my childhood life of ANY person.

I went into the system fulltime at age 6. Even though I was white with blonde hair & blue eyes, the most desired of all adoptable kids, I was way too damaged to ever be seriously considered adoptable. First of all, I was ancient at 6 years old. Second of all, I had been born addicted to drugs. Thirdly, I had gone into the system once previously due to severe neglect and had been labeled a failure to thrive.

My life was bouncing between foster homes and building up so much internal hatred for everyone and everything around me. I was a big ball of hate and rage until age 13 when my new case worker told me that if I kept it up, I'd be dead by 18 and prove everyone who'd said something negative about me right. There was something about her that resonated with me when others had not. She saved me. I got my shit together in school and took the anger management courses I had been assigned seriously (after not taking them seriously the first time). I got some therapy, too, which helped, but definitely not as much as I needed back then.

Every damn day of my life from age birth to 20 was a struggle just to survive. It wasn't until age 20 that things started to really turn around for me... I had made my own family through friends, I had places to go to during school breaks, I landed a great job that paid well and allowed me to do my schoolwork during the downtime so I was able to start really saving some money, etc. I mean, my life wasn't great like it is now and I did still struggle, but instead of feeling like I was treading water and the bottom of my lip was halfway underwater, it felt like my whole neck was out of the water and that was the first time I'd ever felt that way.

I get so angry when I hear people say "there's always adoption!" because that's a big f#cking lie. If you're not white, perfectly healthy, and under age 1, your chances of getting adopted dwindle each year.

I'm here to tell you that what comes after a forced pregnancy is NOT adoption. It's a big ass nightmarish struggle that will break almost all people.

Your story is powerful, and you are an amazing fighter, and the forced birthers will not care at all about your experience because they don’t care whatsoever about living children.

"The forced birthers" -- you are sick, PP. Just stop. You are losing the pro-choice fight precisely because of this disgusting mentality.

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The rights accorded to residents should of course be a consideration. The threat of some long-arm vigilante ridiculousness should be disqualifying.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Also, pro adoption mom, you should open your eyes and ears. Lots of adoptees feel like me.

So you'd rather be dead?

I'm someone who aged out of the system and yes, there are many times when I believed it would have been better for my birth mother to have aborted me rather than go through with the pregnancy. But that's what happens when a crack addict who is not all there in the head has a kid. It took a lot of therapy to understand those feelings and deal with them. I still believe that. I'd never wish my childhood life of ANY person.

I went into the system fulltime at age 6. Even though I was white with blonde hair & blue eyes, the most desired of all adoptable kids, I was way too damaged to ever be seriously considered adoptable. First of all, I was ancient at 6 years old. Second of all, I had been born addicted to drugs. Thirdly, I had gone into the system once previously due to severe neglect and had been labeled a failure to thrive.

My life was bouncing between foster homes and building up so much internal hatred for everyone and everything around me. I was a big ball of hate and rage until age 13 when my new case worker told me that if I kept it up, I'd be dead by 18 and prove everyone who'd said something negative about me right. There was something about her that resonated with me when others had not. She saved me. I got my shit together in school and took the anger management courses I had been assigned seriously (after not taking them seriously the first time). I got some therapy, too, which helped, but definitely not as much as I needed back then.

Every damn day of my life from age birth to 20 was a struggle just to survive. It wasn't until age 20 that things started to really turn around for me... I had made my own family through friends, I had places to go to during school breaks, I landed a great job that paid well and allowed me to do my schoolwork during the downtime so I was able to start really saving some money, etc. I mean, my life wasn't great like it is now and I did still struggle, but instead of feeling like I was treading water and the bottom of my lip was halfway underwater, it felt like my whole neck was out of the water and that was the first time I'd ever felt that way.

I get so angry when I hear people say "there's always adoption!" because that's a big f#cking lie. If you're not white, perfectly healthy, and under age 1, your chances of getting adopted dwindle each year.

I'm here to tell you that what comes after a forced pregnancy is NOT adoption. It's a big ass nightmarish struggle that will break almost all people.

What does this have to do with abortion vs adoption? You went into the system at 6 because you had a terrible mother. Don't you think everyone who suffers in life thinks, I wish I had never been born? That's not really what this debate is about.

I am sorry PP. The above adoption pusher is nuts.

People like her seem to get off on people like us suffering.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Also, pro adoption mom, you should open your eyes and ears. Lots of adoptees feel like me.

So you'd rather be dead?

I'm someone who aged out of the system and yes, there are many times when I believed it would have been better for my birth mother to have aborted me rather than go through with the pregnancy. But that's what happens when a crack addict who is not all there in the head has a kid. It took a lot of therapy to understand those feelings and deal with them. I still believe that. I'd never wish my childhood life of ANY person.

I went into the system fulltime at age 6. Even though I was white with blonde hair & blue eyes, the most desired of all adoptable kids, I was way too damaged to ever be seriously considered adoptable. First of all, I was ancient at 6 years old. Second of all, I had been born addicted to drugs. Thirdly, I had gone into the system once previously due to severe neglect and had been labeled a failure to thrive.

My life was bouncing between foster homes and building up so much internal hatred for everyone and everything around me. I was a big ball of hate and rage until age 13 when my new case worker told me that if I kept it up, I'd be dead by 18 and prove everyone who'd said something negative about me right. There was something about her that resonated with me when others had not. She saved me. I got my shit together in school and took the anger management courses I had been assigned seriously (after not taking them seriously the first time). I got some therapy, too, which helped, but definitely not as much as I needed back then.

Every damn day of my life from age birth to 20 was a struggle just to survive. It wasn't until age 20 that things started to really turn around for me... I had made my own family through friends, I had places to go to during school breaks, I landed a great job that paid well and allowed me to do my schoolwork during the downtime so I was able to start really saving some money, etc. I mean, my life wasn't great like it is now and I did still struggle, but instead of feeling like I was treading water and the bottom of my lip was halfway underwater, it felt like my whole neck was out of the water and that was the first time I'd ever felt that way.

I get so angry when I hear people say "there's always adoption!" because that's a big f#cking lie. If you're not white, perfectly healthy, and under age 1, your chances of getting adopted dwindle each year.

I'm here to tell you that what comes after a forced pregnancy is NOT adoption. It's a big ass nightmarish struggle that will break almost all people.

Your story is powerful, and you are an amazing fighter, and the forced birthers will not care at all about your experience because they don’t care whatsoever about living children.

Neither do you. You'd rather she be dead.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Also, pro adoption mom, you should open your eyes and ears. Lots of adoptees feel like me.

So you'd rather be dead?

I'm someone who aged out of the system and yes, there are many times when I believed it would have been better for my birth mother to have aborted me rather than go through with the pregnancy. But that's what happens when a crack addict who is not all there in the head has a kid. It took a lot of therapy to understand those feelings and deal with them. I still believe that. I'd never wish my childhood life of ANY person.

I went into the system fulltime at age 6. Even though I was white with blonde hair & blue eyes, the most desired of all adoptable kids, I was way too damaged to ever be seriously considered adoptable. First of all, I was ancient at 6 years old. Second of all, I had been born addicted to drugs. Thirdly, I had gone into the system once previously due to severe neglect and had been labeled a failure to thrive.

My life was bouncing between foster homes and building up so much internal hatred for everyone and everything around me. I was a big ball of hate and rage until age 13 when my new case worker told me that if I kept it up, I'd be dead by 18 and prove everyone who'd said something negative about me right. There was something about her that resonated with me when others had not. She saved me. I got my shit together in school and took the anger management courses I had been assigned seriously (after not taking them seriously the first time). I got some therapy, too, which helped, but definitely not as much as I needed back then.

Every damn day of my life from age birth to 20 was a struggle just to survive. It wasn't until age 20 that things started to really turn around for me... I had made my own family through friends, I had places to go to during school breaks, I landed a great job that paid well and allowed me to do my schoolwork during the downtime so I was able to start really saving some money, etc. I mean, my life wasn't great like it is now and I did still struggle, but instead of feeling like I was treading water and the bottom of my lip was halfway underwater, it felt like my whole neck was out of the water and that was the first time I'd ever felt that way.

I get so angry when I hear people say "there's always adoption!" because that's a big f#cking lie. If you're not white, perfectly healthy, and under age 1, your chances of getting adopted dwindle each year.

I'm here to tell you that what comes after a forced pregnancy is NOT adoption. It's a big ass nightmarish struggle that will break almost all people.

Your story is powerful, and you are an amazing fighter, and the forced birthers will not care at all about your experience because they don’t care whatsoever about living children.

"The forced birthers" -- you are sick, PP. Just stop. You are losing the pro-choice fight precisely because of this disgusting mentality.

You are the sick one. You can't open your mind up to what she is saying.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Also, pro adoption mom, you should open your eyes and ears. Lots of adoptees feel like me.

So you'd rather be dead?

I'm someone who aged out of the system and yes, there are many times when I believed it would have been better for my birth mother to have aborted me rather than go through with the pregnancy. But that's what happens when a crack addict who is not all there in the head has a kid. It took a lot of therapy to understand those feelings and deal with them. I still believe that. I'd never wish my childhood life of ANY person.

I went into the system fulltime at age 6. Even though I was white with blonde hair & blue eyes, the most desired of all adoptable kids, I was way too damaged to ever be seriously considered adoptable. First of all, I was ancient at 6 years old. Second of all, I had been born addicted to drugs. Thirdly, I had gone into the system once previously due to severe neglect and had been labeled a failure to thrive.

My life was bouncing between foster homes and building up so much internal hatred for everyone and everything around me. I was a big ball of hate and rage until age 13 when my new case worker told me that if I kept it up, I'd be dead by 18 and prove everyone who'd said something negative about me right. There was something about her that resonated with me when others had not. She saved me. I got my shit together in school and took the anger management courses I had been assigned seriously (after not taking them seriously the first time). I got some therapy, too, which helped, but definitely not as much as I needed back then.

Every damn day of my life from age birth to 20 was a struggle just to survive. It wasn't until age 20 that things started to really turn around for me... I had made my own family through friends, I had places to go to during school breaks, I landed a great job that paid well and allowed me to do my schoolwork during the downtime so I was able to start really saving some money, etc. I mean, my life wasn't great like it is now and I did still struggle, but instead of feeling like I was treading water and the bottom of my lip was halfway underwater, it felt like my whole neck was out of the water and that was the first time I'd ever felt that way.

I get so angry when I hear people say "there's always adoption!" because that's a big f#cking lie. If you're not white, perfectly healthy, and under age 1, your chances of getting adopted dwindle each year.

I'm here to tell you that what comes after a forced pregnancy is NOT adoption. It's a big ass nightmarish struggle that will break almost all people.

What does this have to do with abortion vs adoption? You went into the system at 6 because you had a terrible mother. Don't you think everyone who suffers in life thinks, I wish I had never been born? That's not really what this debate is about.

What an insensitive twit you are PP. All children are not adopted. All children are not wanted. I think that was the point of that posters post.