MCPS faces Teacher shortage next year

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Anonymous wrote:Some MCPS schools, including my DC's, seem to have too many teachers. It's sounding like the schools with the good principals don't have as many staffing issues?

Also, many former MCPS students have gone elsewhere due to the in-person school closures.

So would be curious which schools are the ones with all these unfilled positions.

Why does it seem that way to you?

Classrooms with only about 11 or so students

That seems really low, even for a Title 1 school

I'd be curious what grade- our Focus school was very imbalanced this year. Kindergarten classes all had 20+ students but some of the 1st-3nd grade classes were <15.

I've worked in a focus school a few years and seen it happen a few times. Usually the year started out balanced but a disproportionate number of kids left or transferred and then that teacher usually is the designated person to get new students transferring in. In another case there were kids with very high behavioral needs so it made sense to make that class smaller.

In my school we needed more kindergarten students but couldn't find a qualified kindergarten teacher. In some cases the applicants had multiple offers and chose schools closer to home

Teachers picking schools close to home is a big problem. There is a lack of affordable housing for moco workers including teachers. So if teachers can make the same salary in Germantown with a shorter commute, they will.

Most Germantown schools will also have smaller class sizes, because they have a higher FARMS rate.

I think the applicant chose a job in either Ann Arundel or Howard county

I teach in Germantown and enjoy the reverse commute from Bethesda. I have wonderful co-workers but most elementary schools in Germantown are far from easy. There's a ton of poverty, trauma, etc.

I've worked in both Bethesda and Germantown (and others). The culture of the Bethesda schools is insane, really, really hard to stomach, while the culture in a place like Germantown is normal. That makes a BIG difference in someone's day, and explains why schools in upper class areas have a harder time attracting and keeping teachers and paras. They're miserable places to work.

I’ve also worked in both, though more recently in Germantown. Both areas have their issues and both are having trouble retaining teachers. In Bethesda, the parent demands can just be too much. The daily emails and constant judgement is hard to stomach (just read DCUM for examples). In Germantown, I rarely have any interaction with parents. In fact, I am often struggling just to get calls returned. However, the student behavior is out of this world. School is expected to fix all of society’s issues which is impossible. The daily disrespect from the students is horrible.

So teachers are dealing with very different issues, but both are challenging and both are driving teachers away from teaching. I believe Rockville might be ideal, but who knows? All I know is that I used to love teaching and now hate it.

NP here. I began my career at an elementary school in Potomac and am in Germantown twenty years later. The difference between the two are night and day, and you are correct, the behavior is off the chain. I agree that one of the hardest parts is trying to meet all the needs of our students when the root cause of the challenges are societal issues that bleed into schools. I will love on my kids as much as possible while still holding firm boundaries but I can't help with all the crap that they deal with when they leave school each day. Part of me wonders if I would rather go back to snowplow parents over my current situation when Johnny tears my room apart daily but mom refuses to answer the phone.

Is there a happy medium anywhere??

Focus schools

I could see this- although I think the administration at the school is important too. Teachers talk, they know which principals are supportive and which aren't.

Um Focus schools are no walk in the park. I worked at one upcounty and the behaviors were far worse than what I experienced in my current Silver Spring Title 1 school. There's a crazy sense of entitlement upcounty where parents defend the complete nonsense their kids cause in class compared to my current school.

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Anonymous wrote:Some MCPS schools, including my DC's, seem to have too many teachers. It's sounding like the schools with the good principals don't have as many staffing issues?

Also, many former MCPS students have gone elsewhere due to the in-person school closures.

So would be curious which schools are the ones with all these unfilled positions.

Why does it seem that way to you?

Classrooms with only about 11 or so students

That seems really low, even for a Title 1 school

I'd be curious what grade- our Focus school was very imbalanced this year. Kindergarten classes all had 20+ students but some of the 1st-3nd grade classes were <15.

I've worked in a focus school a few years and seen it happen a few times. Usually the year started out balanced but a disproportionate number of kids left or transferred and then that teacher usually is the designated person to get new students transferring in. In another case there were kids with very high behavioral needs so it made sense to make that class smaller.

In my school we needed more kindergarten students but couldn't find a qualified kindergarten teacher. In some cases the applicants had multiple offers and chose schools closer to home

Teachers picking schools close to home is a big problem. There is a lack of affordable housing for moco workers including teachers. So if teachers can make the same salary in Germantown with a shorter commute, they will.

Most Germantown schools will also have smaller class sizes, because they have a higher FARMS rate.

I think the applicant chose a job in either Ann Arundel or Howard county

I teach in Germantown and enjoy the reverse commute from Bethesda. I have wonderful co-workers but most elementary schools in Germantown are far from easy. There's a ton of poverty, trauma, etc.

I've worked in both Bethesda and Germantown (and others). The culture of the Bethesda schools is insane, really, really hard to stomach, while the culture in a place like Germantown is normal. That makes a BIG difference in someone's day, and explains why schools in upper class areas have a harder time attracting and keeping teachers and paras. They're miserable places to work.

I’ve also worked in both, though more recently in Germantown. Both areas have their issues and both are having trouble retaining teachers. In Bethesda, the parent demands can just be too much. The daily emails and constant judgement is hard to stomach (just read DCUM for examples). In Germantown, I rarely have any interaction with parents. In fact, I am often struggling just to get calls returned. However, the student behavior is out of this world. School is expected to fix all of society’s issues which is impossible. The daily disrespect from the students is horrible.

So teachers are dealing with very different issues, but both are challenging and both are driving teachers away from teaching. I believe Rockville might be ideal, but who knows? All I know is that I used to love teaching and now hate it.

NP here. I began my career at an elementary school in Potomac and am in Germantown twenty years later. The difference between the two are night and day, and you are correct, the behavior is off the chain. I agree that one of the hardest parts is trying to meet all the needs of our students when the root cause of the challenges are societal issues that bleed into schools. I will love on my kids as much as possible while still holding firm boundaries but I can't help with all the crap that they deal with when they leave school each day. Part of me wonders if I would rather go back to snowplow parents over my current situation when Johnny tears my room apart daily but mom refuses to answer the phone.

Is there a happy medium anywhere??

Focus schools

I could see this- although I think the administration at the school is important too. Teachers talk, they know which principals are supportive and which aren't.

Um Focus schools are no walk in the park. I worked at one upcounty and the behaviors were far worse than what I experienced in my current Silver Spring Title 1 school. There's a crazy sense of entitlement upcounty where parents defend the complete nonsense their kids cause in class compared to my current school.

It’s well known that the behavior upcounty is off the charts bad.

The best are probably the schools with high % of Spanish speakers because those kids really want to learn.

But if you are looking for well behaved kids overall, MCPS is pretty bad. You’d need to head further south where discipline is still acceptable.

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Anonymous wrote:Some MCPS schools, including my DC's, seem to have too many teachers. It's sounding like the schools with the good principals don't have as many staffing issues?

Also, many former MCPS students have gone elsewhere due to the in-person school closures.

So would be curious which schools are the ones with all these unfilled positions.

Why does it seem that way to you?

Classrooms with only about 11 or so students

That seems really low, even for a Title 1 school

I'd be curious what grade- our Focus school was very imbalanced this year. Kindergarten classes all had 20+ students but some of the 1st-3nd grade classes were <15.

I've worked in a focus school a few years and seen it happen a few times. Usually the year started out balanced but a disproportionate number of kids left or transferred and then that teacher usually is the designated person to get new students transferring in. In another case there were kids with very high behavioral needs so it made sense to make that class smaller.

In my school we needed more kindergarten students but couldn't find a qualified kindergarten teacher. In some cases the applicants had multiple offers and chose schools closer to home

Teachers picking schools close to home is a big problem. There is a lack of affordable housing for moco workers including teachers. So if teachers can make the same salary in Germantown with a shorter commute, they will.

Most Germantown schools will also have smaller class sizes, because they have a higher FARMS rate.

I think the applicant chose a job in either Ann Arundel or Howard county

I teach in Germantown and enjoy the reverse commute from Bethesda. I have wonderful co-workers but most elementary schools in Germantown are far from easy. There's a ton of poverty, trauma, etc.

I've worked in both Bethesda and Germantown (and others). The culture of the Bethesda schools is insane, really, really hard to stomach, while the culture in a place like Germantown is normal. That makes a BIG difference in someone's day, and explains why schools in upper class areas have a harder time attracting and keeping teachers and paras. They're miserable places to work.

I’ve also worked in both, though more recently in Germantown. Both areas have their issues and both are having trouble retaining teachers. In Bethesda, the parent demands can just be too much. The daily emails and constant judgement is hard to stomach (just read DCUM for examples). In Germantown, I rarely have any interaction with parents. In fact, I am often struggling just to get calls returned. However, the student behavior is out of this world. School is expected to fix all of society’s issues which is impossible. The daily disrespect from the students is horrible.

So teachers are dealing with very different issues, but both are challenging and both are driving teachers away from teaching. I believe Rockville might be ideal, but who knows? All I know is that I used to love teaching and now hate it.

NP here. I began my career at an elementary school in Potomac and am in Germantown twenty years later. The difference between the two are night and day, and you are correct, the behavior is off the chain. I agree that one of the hardest parts is trying to meet all the needs of our students when the root cause of the challenges are societal issues that bleed into schools. I will love on my kids as much as possible while still holding firm boundaries but I can't help with all the crap that they deal with when they leave school each day. Part of me wonders if I would rather go back to snowplow parents over my current situation when Johnny tears my room apart daily but mom refuses to answer the phone.

Is there a happy medium anywhere??

Focus schools

I could see this- although I think the administration at the school is important too. Teachers talk, they know which principals are supportive and which aren't.

Um Focus schools are no walk in the park. I worked at one upcounty and the behaviors were far worse than what I experienced in my current Silver Spring Title 1 school. There's a crazy sense of entitlement upcounty where parents defend the complete nonsense their kids cause in class compared to my current school.

It’s well known that the behavior upcounty is off the charts bad.

The best are probably the schools with high % of Spanish speakers because those kids really want to learn.

But if you are looking for well behaved kids overall, MCPS is pretty bad. You’d need to head further south where discipline is still acceptable.

Thanks for the overgeneralizations.

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Anonymous wrote:Some MCPS schools, including my DC's, seem to have too many teachers. It's sounding like the schools with the good principals don't have as many staffing issues?

Also, many former MCPS students have gone elsewhere due to the in-person school closures.

So would be curious which schools are the ones with all these unfilled positions.

Why does it seem that way to you?

Classrooms with only about 11 or so students

That seems really low, even for a Title 1 school

I'd be curious what grade- our Focus school was very imbalanced this year. Kindergarten classes all had 20+ students but some of the 1st-3nd grade classes were <15.

I've worked in a focus school a few years and seen it happen a few times. Usually the year started out balanced but a disproportionate number of kids left or transferred and then that teacher usually is the designated person to get new students transferring in. In another case there were kids with very high behavioral needs so it made sense to make that class smaller.

In my school we needed more kindergarten students but couldn't find a qualified kindergarten teacher. In some cases the applicants had multiple offers and chose schools closer to home

Teachers picking schools close to home is a big problem. There is a lack of affordable housing for moco workers including teachers. So if teachers can make the same salary in Germantown with a shorter commute, they will.

Most Germantown schools will also have smaller class sizes, because they have a higher FARMS rate.

I think the applicant chose a job in either Ann Arundel or Howard county

I teach in Germantown and enjoy the reverse commute from Bethesda. I have wonderful co-workers but most elementary schools in Germantown are far from easy. There's a ton of poverty, trauma, etc.

I've worked in both Bethesda and Germantown (and others). The culture of the Bethesda schools is insane, really, really hard to stomach, while the culture in a place like Germantown is normal. That makes a BIG difference in someone's day, and explains why schools in upper class areas have a harder time attracting and keeping teachers and paras. They're miserable places to work.

I’ve also worked in both, though more recently in Germantown. Both areas have their issues and both are having trouble retaining teachers. In Bethesda, the parent demands can just be too much. The daily emails and constant judgement is hard to stomach (just read DCUM for examples). In Germantown, I rarely have any interaction with parents. In fact, I am often struggling just to get calls returned. However, the student behavior is out of this world. School is expected to fix all of society’s issues which is impossible. The daily disrespect from the students is horrible.

So teachers are dealing with very different issues, but both are challenging and both are driving teachers away from teaching. I believe Rockville might be ideal, but who knows? All I know is that I used to love teaching and now hate it.

NP here. I began my career at an elementary school in Potomac and am in Germantown twenty years later. The difference between the two are night and day, and you are correct, the behavior is off the chain. I agree that one of the hardest parts is trying to meet all the needs of our students when the root cause of the challenges are societal issues that bleed into schools. I will love on my kids as much as possible while still holding firm boundaries but I can't help with all the crap that they deal with when they leave school each day. Part of me wonders if I would rather go back to snowplow parents over my current situation when Johnny tears my room apart daily but mom refuses to answer the phone.

Is there a happy medium anywhere??

Focus schools

I could see this- although I think the administration at the school is important too. Teachers talk, they know which principals are supportive and which aren't.

Um Focus schools are no walk in the park. I worked at one upcounty and the behaviors were far worse than what I experienced in my current Silver Spring Title 1 school. There's a crazy sense of entitlement upcounty where parents defend the complete nonsense their kids cause in class compared to my current school.

It’s well known that the behavior upcounty is off the charts bad.

The best are probably the schools with high % of Spanish speakers because those kids really want to learn.

But if you are looking for well behaved kids overall, MCPS is pretty bad. You’d need to head further south where discipline is still acceptable.

Thanks for the overgeneralizations.

Posts like that are always laughable.

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Anonymous wrote:Most of my DC ES teachers left MCPS. They are underpaid and there is no incentive to work here considering how expensive life is in MC. MCPS has a huge budget but looks like money go into wrong pockets and directions. Education is not a priority now days.
Property tax increases will resolve the problem in the near future.

Society has been in freefall for decades. When were schools good again?

For MCPS? About 20 years ago, when MCPS was recognized as a top school system within the U.S. I think it started declining after Weast left. This paper explains the issues.

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/leadingforequity/pdf/HarvardCase-DifferientiatedTreatment.pdf

An interesting sidenote - compare Jerry Weast's resume to McKnight's. See the difference? That's the caliber of Superintendent of Schools resume you should get with half-a-million dollars, imho.

You're delusional. I went to MCPS 20 years ago. It wasn't all that. There is greater economic diversity today which impacts averages, but anyone who wants a top notch education can do better today than back then.

Completely agree! I graduated from a W 20 years ago and my kid's DCC schools are so much better. MCPS is better today for anyone who wants a great education. The people complaining only have themselves to blame.

Agree my oldest graduated from an application magnet with over 14 APs and near perfect SATs. I don't think my w high school even offered that many APs. My point is that if you want a great education the opportunities today are even greater than in the past but it's up to you to make that happen. So many people here complain but I've done nothing and take no's personal responsibility for their lives. They want a nanny state for the county tells them what to do.

AP exams and the SAT are also no longer what they used to be. Just because your DC is at the top of the heap doesn't mean that they are getting a great education, just one that is better than some other kids. Lots of us who have been around education see the deterioration. - AP teacher

AP and SAT exams are no longer required for Maryland public system admission. They become irrelevant.
Soon, we'll live in a surreal county where all students have only 'A's and everybody will be happy. 'A's for all, free tuition for all, government jobs for all, free "affordable" houses for everybody. Take it as a joke (still a joke) but that's the direction.

I joined MCPS as a teacher this year from a different district. I still don’t understand why MCPS uses an E for a failing grade instead of an F. So weird.
And why are department heads called resource teachers? And yes, the 50% rule for no work turned in is pathetic. MCPS has a good reputation but I have been less than impressed

Maybe because many colleges all over the country use E instead of F? It's the least confusing thing. You explain it to a kid once and they don't forget. Maybe worry about important things.

Colleges use F for failing. And if we are going by college standards, then D should be a failing grade

I work in HR for a huge corporation. I see transcripts all the time. E is very standard for a failing grade. Most schools accept D's as passing as long as their GPA for the major is above 3.0. It won't transfer to other schools. Maybe educate yourself, aren't you a teacher?

DP here. Clearly you must hire from crap colleges. I went to an Ivy and if you fall a course, you got an F. How are you accepting applicants with Es and Fs on their transcript

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Anonymous wrote:Some MCPS schools, including my DC's, seem to have too many teachers. It's sounding like the schools with the good principals don't have as many staffing issues?

Also, many former MCPS students have gone elsewhere due to the in-person school closures.

So would be curious which schools are the ones with all these unfilled positions.

Why does it seem that way to you?

Classrooms with only about 11 or so students

That seems really low, even for a Title 1 school

I'd be curious what grade- our Focus school was very imbalanced this year. Kindergarten classes all had 20+ students but some of the 1st-3nd grade classes were <15.

I've worked in a focus school a few years and seen it happen a few times. Usually the year started out balanced but a disproportionate number of kids left or transferred and then that teacher usually is the designated person to get new students transferring in. In another case there were kids with very high behavioral needs so it made sense to make that class smaller.

In my school we needed more kindergarten students but couldn't find a qualified kindergarten teacher. In some cases the applicants had multiple offers and chose schools closer to home

Teachers picking schools close to home is a big problem. There is a lack of affordable housing for moco workers including teachers. So if teachers can make the same salary in Germantown with a shorter commute, they will.

Most Germantown schools will also have smaller class sizes, because they have a higher FARMS rate.

I think the applicant chose a job in either Ann Arundel or Howard county

I teach in Germantown and enjoy the reverse commute from Bethesda. I have wonderful co-workers but most elementary schools in Germantown are far from easy. There's a ton of poverty, trauma, etc.

I've worked in both Bethesda and Germantown (and others). The culture of the Bethesda schools is insane, really, really hard to stomach, while the culture in a place like Germantown is normal. That makes a BIG difference in someone's day, and explains why schools in upper class areas have a harder time attracting and keeping teachers and paras. They're miserable places to work.

I’ve also worked in both, though more recently in Germantown. Both areas have their issues and both are having trouble retaining teachers. In Bethesda, the parent demands can just be too much. The daily emails and constant judgement is hard to stomach (just read DCUM for examples). In Germantown, I rarely have any interaction with parents. In fact, I am often struggling just to get calls returned. However, the student behavior is out of this world. School is expected to fix all of society’s issues which is impossible. The daily disrespect from the students is horrible.

So teachers are dealing with very different issues, but both are challenging and both are driving teachers away from teaching. I believe Rockville might be ideal, but who knows? All I know is that I used to love teaching and now hate it.

NP here. I began my career at an elementary school in Potomac and am in Germantown twenty years later. The difference between the two are night and day, and you are correct, the behavior is off the chain. I agree that one of the hardest parts is trying to meet all the needs of our students when the root cause of the challenges are societal issues that bleed into schools. I will love on my kids as much as possible while still holding firm boundaries but I can't help with all the crap that they deal with when they leave school each day. Part of me wonders if I would rather go back to snowplow parents over my current situation when Johnny tears my room apart daily but mom refuses to answer the phone.

Is there a happy medium anywhere??

Focus schools

I could see this- although I think the administration at the school is important too. Teachers talk, they know which principals are supportive and which aren't.

Um Focus schools are no walk in the park. I worked at one upcounty and the behaviors were far worse than what I experienced in my current Silver Spring Title 1 school. There's a crazy sense of entitlement upcounty where parents defend the complete nonsense their kids cause in class compared to my current school.

It’s well known that the behavior upcounty is off the charts bad.

The best are probably the schools with high % of Spanish speakers because those kids really want to learn.

But if you are looking for well behaved kids overall, MCPS is pretty bad. You’d need to head further south where discipline is still acceptable.

Thanks for the overgeneralizations.

Posts like that are always laughable.

The interesting thing is that no one will (can?) name a school where the teachers enjoy working and they can actually teach rather than play referee all day. Potomac/bethesda is entitled, Gaithersburg can’t behave, upcounty focus schools are entitled too, and boy oh boy don’t get started on Wheaton with BBC all the gang violence.

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DP here. Clearly you must hire from crap colleges. I went to an Ivy and if you fall a course, you got an F. How are you accepting applicants with Es and Fs on their transcript

Discussion here is not about privileged Ivy League graduates and their scores. We are proud socialists of Montgomery County that don't care about quality of the teachers but about their number. An "F" teacher will deal better with an "F" student

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Anonymous wrote:Some MCPS schools, including my DC's, seem to have too many teachers. It's sounding like the schools with the good principals don't have as many staffing issues?

Also, many former MCPS students have gone elsewhere due to the in-person school closures.

So would be curious which schools are the ones with all these unfilled positions.

Why does it seem that way to you?

Classrooms with only about 11 or so students

That seems really low, even for a Title 1 school

I'd be curious what grade- our Focus school was very imbalanced this year. Kindergarten classes all had 20+ students but some of the 1st-3nd grade classes were <15.

I've worked in a focus school a few years and seen it happen a few times. Usually the year started out balanced but a disproportionate number of kids left or transferred and then that teacher usually is the designated person to get new students transferring in. In another case there were kids with very high behavioral needs so it made sense to make that class smaller.

In my school we needed more kindergarten students but couldn't find a qualified kindergarten teacher. In some cases the applicants had multiple offers and chose schools closer to home

Teachers picking schools close to home is a big problem. There is a lack of affordable housing for moco workers including teachers. So if teachers can make the same salary in Germantown with a shorter commute, they will.

Most Germantown schools will also have smaller class sizes, because they have a higher FARMS rate.

I think the applicant chose a job in either Ann Arundel or Howard county

I teach in Germantown and enjoy the reverse commute from Bethesda. I have wonderful co-workers but most elementary schools in Germantown are far from easy. There's a ton of poverty, trauma, etc.

I've worked in both Bethesda and Germantown (and others). The culture of the Bethesda schools is insane, really, really hard to stomach, while the culture in a place like Germantown is normal. That makes a BIG difference in someone's day, and explains why schools in upper class areas have a harder time attracting and keeping teachers and paras. They're miserable places to work.

I’ve also worked in both, though more recently in Germantown. Both areas have their issues and both are having trouble retaining teachers. In Bethesda, the parent demands can just be too much. The daily emails and constant judgement is hard to stomach (just read DCUM for examples). In Germantown, I rarely have any interaction with parents. In fact, I am often struggling just to get calls returned. However, the student behavior is out of this world. School is expected to fix all of society’s issues which is impossible. The daily disrespect from the students is horrible.

So teachers are dealing with very different issues, but both are challenging and both are driving teachers away from teaching. I believe Rockville might be ideal, but who knows? All I know is that I used to love teaching and now hate it.

NP here. I began my career at an elementary school in Potomac and am in Germantown twenty years later. The difference between the two are night and day, and you are correct, the behavior is off the chain. I agree that one of the hardest parts is trying to meet all the needs of our students when the root cause of the challenges are societal issues that bleed into schools. I will love on my kids as much as possible while still holding firm boundaries but I can't help with all the crap that they deal with when they leave school each day. Part of me wonders if I would rather go back to snowplow parents over my current situation when Johnny tears my room apart daily but mom refuses to answer the phone.

Is there a happy medium anywhere??

Focus schools

I could see this- although I think the administration at the school is important too. Teachers talk, they know which principals are supportive and which aren't.

Um Focus schools are no walk in the park. I worked at one upcounty and the behaviors were far worse than what I experienced in my current Silver Spring Title 1 school. There's a crazy sense of entitlement upcounty where parents defend the complete nonsense their kids cause in class compared to my current school.

It’s well known that the behavior upcounty is off the charts bad.

The best are probably the schools with high % of Spanish speakers because those kids really want to learn.

But if you are looking for well behaved kids overall, MCPS is pretty bad. You’d need to head further south where discipline is still acceptable.

Yep. Spare the rod, spoil the child. Gotta learn 'em who's boss.

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Anonymous wrote:Most of my DC ES teachers left MCPS. They are underpaid and there is no incentive to work here considering how expensive life is in MC. MCPS has a huge budget but looks like money go into wrong pockets and directions. Education is not a priority now days.
Property tax increases will resolve the problem in the near future.

Society has been in freefall for decades. When were schools good again?

For MCPS? About 20 years ago, when MCPS was recognized as a top school system within the U.S. I think it started declining after Weast left. This paper explains the issues.

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/leadingforequity/pdf/HarvardCase-DifferientiatedTreatment.pdf

An interesting sidenote - compare Jerry Weast's resume to McKnight's. See the difference? That's the caliber of Superintendent of Schools resume you should get with half-a-million dollars, imho.

You're delusional. I went to MCPS 20 years ago. It wasn't all that. There is greater economic diversity today which impacts averages, but anyone who wants a top notch education can do better today than back then.

Completely agree! I graduated from a W 20 years ago and my kid's DCC schools are so much better. MCPS is better today for anyone who wants a great education. The people complaining only have themselves to blame.

Agree my oldest graduated from an application magnet with over 14 APs and near perfect SATs. I don't think my w high school even offered that many APs. My point is that if you want a great education the opportunities today are even greater than in the past but it's up to you to make that happen. So many people here complain but I've done nothing and take no's personal responsibility for their lives. They want a nanny state for the county tells them what to do.

AP exams and the SAT are also no longer what they used to be. Just because your DC is at the top of the heap doesn't mean that they are getting a great education, just one that is better than some other kids. Lots of us who have been around education see the deterioration. - AP teacher

AP and SAT exams are no longer required for Maryland public system admission. They become irrelevant.
Soon, we'll live in a surreal county where all students have only 'A's and everybody will be happy. 'A's for all, free tuition for all, government jobs for all, free "affordable" houses for everybody. Take it as a joke (still a joke) but that's the direction.

I joined MCPS as a teacher this year from a different district. I still don’t understand why MCPS uses an E for a failing grade instead of an F. So weird.
And why are department heads called resource teachers? And yes, the 50% rule for no work turned in is pathetic. MCPS has a good reputation but I have been less than impressed

Maybe because many colleges all over the country use E instead of F? It's the least confusing thing. You explain it to a kid once and they don't forget. Maybe worry about important things.

Colleges use F for failing. And if we are going by college standards, then D should be a failing grade

I work in HR for a huge corporation. I see transcripts all the time. E is very standard for a failing grade. Most schools accept D's as passing as long as their GPA for the major is above 3.0. It won't transfer to other schools. Maybe educate yourself, aren't you a teacher?

DP here. Clearly you must hire from crap colleges. I went to an Ivy and if you fall a course, you got an F. How are you accepting applicants with Es and Fs on their transcript

Lol for an “Ivy League” graduate, you’re not very bright are ya? People send their transcripts all of the time with their applications… we see candidates from everywhere. However, we choose to look at the whole candidate, not just focus on their grades. You’d think an Ivy League grade would understand this by now, but apparently you’re just obsessed with grades. Again, focus on actually educating our students. I’m sorry that grading with a letter other than F is too difficult for you. Your poor students….

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Anonymous wrote:MCEA is committed to the salary steps which keep experienced teachers from earning decent pay when transferring to MCPS. MCEA is a big part of the problem. They also keep sub pay low. I would not recommend voting for any MCEA endorsed BOE candidates (Yang, Coll, Rivera-Oven).

If you had witnessed any part of the public contract negotiations that took place before the pandemic, you would know that is completely untrue. MCEA submitted proposals based on a perceived professional salary of $100k and how long one would expect to get to that level. They also requested dramatic increases in substitute teacher pay. MCPS responded with some gobbledegook of a salary scale which actually included pay decreases for more experienced staff. When called on it, they withdrew the counter offer and did not submit a new one. Increasing teacher pay and planning time have been priorities in MCEA bargaining. Which you would know, again, if you had witnessed any part of the negotiations.

I’m not the PP. I read that as MCEA discourages experienced teachers from transferring in. I don’t think she was referring to existing MCPS teachers.

I posted above about being offered a position. I was offered a job that would pay me 25K less than the published step I should be on if they respected my experience. Instead, I went to a neighboring county that offered me $19K more than MCPS offered. Truthfully, I felt rather disrespected by MCPS. The offer was rather insulting considering my experience and qualifications. (I also received a private school offer that was more than MCPS’s offer.)

Name the school district. I don’t believe you. I have 20 years experience at even though I would enter at a higher step in PG, Howard and Fairfax County, it wasn’t step 20 and the pay wasn’t that much (if at all) higher than MCPS. Also, I spent 9 years working in a MoCo private school with $40k annual tuition and I was paid exactly what MCPS would have paid me at the REDUCED entry of step 8. When I first moved to Maryland in 2012, MCPS allowed external candidates with a Master’s to enter at step 12. Then it was reduced to step 10 and now it’s step 8.

MCPS step 18 Masters - 102K
MCPS step 8 Masters (top salary for transfer) - 73K
PGCPS step 18 Masters - 88K
HCPSS step 18 Masters - 91K
Fairfax County step 13 Masters - 85K - cap for transfers is 13 and still higher than MCPS


What’s there not to believe? So the numbers may have been a bit off because I’m using current salary scales, but the point remains. MCPS is not attractive to experienced teachers.

As for your private experience, private schools vary WIDELY.

Privates also offer incentives like children of staff can attend the school for free. For prestigious privates that cost $50K a year, that’s a tax free bonus of $150K per year for 3 kids. A big help for educators that think the MCPS curriculum has been watered down or don’t think the schools in the neighborhoods they can afford are safe.

My neighbor here in Silver Spring did this. She took a good, but less than perfect position for her educational level at highly regarded private school in DC. Basically a free education for both her kids valued at about 100K per year in today's dollars. When her kids graduated, she left.

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Anonymous wrote:Some MCPS schools, including my DC's, seem to have too many teachers. It's sounding like the schools with the good principals don't have as many staffing issues?

Also, many former MCPS students have gone elsewhere due to the in-person school closures.

So would be curious which schools are the ones with all these unfilled positions.

Why does it seem that way to you?

Classrooms with only about 11 or so students

That seems really low, even for a Title 1 school

I'd be curious what grade- our Focus school was very imbalanced this year. Kindergarten classes all had 20+ students but some of the 1st-3nd grade classes were <15.

I've worked in a focus school a few years and seen it happen a few times. Usually the year started out balanced but a disproportionate number of kids left or transferred and then that teacher usually is the designated person to get new students transferring in. In another case there were kids with very high behavioral needs so it made sense to make that class smaller.

In my school we needed more kindergarten students but couldn't find a qualified kindergarten teacher. In some cases the applicants had multiple offers and chose schools closer to home

Teachers picking schools close to home is a big problem. There is a lack of affordable housing for moco workers including teachers. So if teachers can make the same salary in Germantown with a shorter commute, they will.

Most Germantown schools will also have smaller class sizes, because they have a higher FARMS rate.

I think the applicant chose a job in either Ann Arundel or Howard county

I teach in Germantown and enjoy the reverse commute from Bethesda. I have wonderful co-workers but most elementary schools in Germantown are far from easy. There's a ton of poverty, trauma, etc.

I've worked in both Bethesda and Germantown (and others). The culture of the Bethesda schools is insane, really, really hard to stomach, while the culture in a place like Germantown is normal. That makes a BIG difference in someone's day, and explains why schools in upper class areas have a harder time attracting and keeping teachers and paras. They're miserable places to work.

I’ve also worked in both, though more recently in Germantown. Both areas have their issues and both are having trouble retaining teachers. In Bethesda, the parent demands can just be too much. The daily emails and constant judgement is hard to stomach (just read DCUM for examples). In Germantown, I rarely have any interaction with parents. In fact, I am often struggling just to get calls returned. However, the student behavior is out of this world. School is expected to fix all of society’s issues which is impossible. The daily disrespect from the students is horrible.

So teachers are dealing with very different issues, but both are challenging and both are driving teachers away from teaching. I believe Rockville might be ideal, but who knows? All I know is that I used to love teaching and now hate it.

NP here. I began my career at an elementary school in Potomac and am in Germantown twenty years later. The difference between the two are night and day, and you are correct, the behavior is off the chain. I agree that one of the hardest parts is trying to meet all the needs of our students when the root cause of the challenges are societal issues that bleed into schools. I will love on my kids as much as possible while still holding firm boundaries but I can't help with all the crap that they deal with when they leave school each day. Part of me wonders if I would rather go back to snowplow parents over my current situation when Johnny tears my room apart daily but mom refuses to answer the phone.

Is there a happy medium anywhere??

Focus schools

I could see this- although I think the administration at the school is important too. Teachers talk, they know which principals are supportive and which aren't.

Um Focus schools are no walk in the park. I worked at one upcounty and the behaviors were far worse than what I experienced in my current Silver Spring Title 1 school. There's a crazy sense of entitlement upcounty where parents defend the complete nonsense their kids cause in class compared to my current school.

It’s well known that the behavior upcounty is off the charts bad.

The best are probably the schools with high % of Spanish speakers because those kids really want to learn.

But if you are looking for well behaved kids overall, MCPS is pretty bad. You’d need to head further south where discipline is still acceptable.

Thanks for the overgeneralizations.

Posts like that are always laughable.

The interesting thing is that no one will (can?) name a school where the teachers enjoy working and they can actually teach rather than play referee all day. Potomac/bethesda is entitled, Gaithersburg can’t behave, upcounty focus schools are entitled too, and boy oh boy don’t get started on Wheaton with BBC all the gang violence.

There hasn't been a single gang incident at any MCPS school in over a decade but keep telling yourself these things if it makes you feel better about your life choices.

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Anonymous wrote:Some MCPS schools, including my DC's, seem to have too many teachers. It's sounding like the schools with the good principals don't have as many staffing issues?

Also, many former MCPS students have gone elsewhere due to the in-person school closures.

So would be curious which schools are the ones with all these unfilled positions.

Why does it seem that way to you?

Classrooms with only about 11 or so students

That seems really low, even for a Title 1 school

I'd be curious what grade- our Focus school was very imbalanced this year. Kindergarten classes all had 20+ students but some of the 1st-3nd grade classes were <15.

I've worked in a focus school a few years and seen it happen a few times. Usually the year started out balanced but a disproportionate number of kids left or transferred and then that teacher usually is the designated person to get new students transferring in. In another case there were kids with very high behavioral needs so it made sense to make that class smaller.

In my school we needed more kindergarten students but couldn't find a qualified kindergarten teacher. In some cases the applicants had multiple offers and chose schools closer to home

Teachers picking schools close to home is a big problem. There is a lack of affordable housing for moco workers including teachers. So if teachers can make the same salary in Germantown with a shorter commute, they will.

Most Germantown schools will also have smaller class sizes, because they have a higher FARMS rate.

I think the applicant chose a job in either Ann Arundel or Howard county

I teach in Germantown and enjoy the reverse commute from Bethesda. I have wonderful co-workers but most elementary schools in Germantown are far from easy. There's a ton of poverty, trauma, etc.

I've worked in both Bethesda and Germantown (and others). The culture of the Bethesda schools is insane, really, really hard to stomach, while the culture in a place like Germantown is normal. That makes a BIG difference in someone's day, and explains why schools in upper class areas have a harder time attracting and keeping teachers and paras. They're miserable places to work.

I’ve also worked in both, though more recently in Germantown. Both areas have their issues and both are having trouble retaining teachers. In Bethesda, the parent demands can just be too much. The daily emails and constant judgement is hard to stomach (just read DCUM for examples). In Germantown, I rarely have any interaction with parents. In fact, I am often struggling just to get calls returned. However, the student behavior is out of this world. School is expected to fix all of society’s issues which is impossible. The daily disrespect from the students is horrible.

So teachers are dealing with very different issues, but both are challenging and both are driving teachers away from teaching. I believe Rockville might be ideal, but who knows? All I know is that I used to love teaching and now hate it.

NP here. I began my career at an elementary school in Potomac and am in Germantown twenty years later. The difference between the two are night and day, and you are correct, the behavior is off the chain. I agree that one of the hardest parts is trying to meet all the needs of our students when the root cause of the challenges are societal issues that bleed into schools. I will love on my kids as much as possible while still holding firm boundaries but I can't help with all the crap that they deal with when they leave school each day. Part of me wonders if I would rather go back to snowplow parents over my current situation when Johnny tears my room apart daily but mom refuses to answer the phone.

Is there a happy medium anywhere??

Focus schools

I could see this- although I think the administration at the school is important too. Teachers talk, they know which principals are supportive and which aren't.

Um Focus schools are no walk in the park. I worked at one upcounty and the behaviors were far worse than what I experienced in my current Silver Spring Title 1 school. There's a crazy sense of entitlement upcounty where parents defend the complete nonsense their kids cause in class compared to my current school.

It’s well known that the behavior upcounty is off the charts bad.

The best are probably the schools with high % of Spanish speakers because those kids really want to learn.

But if you are looking for well behaved kids overall, MCPS is pretty bad. You’d need to head further south where discipline is still acceptable.

Yep. Spare the rod, spoil the child. Gotta learn 'em who's boss.

If they only brought back the lash and stock and pillory, MCPS would soon rival its past with a new golden age of learnin'!

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Anonymous wrote:Some MCPS schools, including my DC's, seem to have too many teachers. It's sounding like the schools with the good principals don't have as many staffing issues?

Also, many former MCPS students have gone elsewhere due to the in-person school closures.

So would be curious which schools are the ones with all these unfilled positions.

Why does it seem that way to you?

Classrooms with only about 11 or so students

That seems really low, even for a Title 1 school

I'd be curious what grade- our Focus school was very imbalanced this year. Kindergarten classes all had 20+ students but some of the 1st-3nd grade classes were <15.

I've worked in a focus school a few years and seen it happen a few times. Usually the year started out balanced but a disproportionate number of kids left or transferred and then that teacher usually is the designated person to get new students transferring in. In another case there were kids with very high behavioral needs so it made sense to make that class smaller.

In my school we needed more kindergarten students but couldn't find a qualified kindergarten teacher. In some cases the applicants had multiple offers and chose schools closer to home

Teachers picking schools close to home is a big problem. There is a lack of affordable housing for moco workers including teachers. So if teachers can make the same salary in Germantown with a shorter commute, they will.

Most Germantown schools will also have smaller class sizes, because they have a higher FARMS rate.

I think the applicant chose a job in either Ann Arundel or Howard county

I teach in Germantown and enjoy the reverse commute from Bethesda. I have wonderful co-workers but most elementary schools in Germantown are far from easy. There's a ton of poverty, trauma, etc.

I've worked in both Bethesda and Germantown (and others). The culture of the Bethesda schools is insane, really, really hard to stomach, while the culture in a place like Germantown is normal. That makes a BIG difference in someone's day, and explains why schools in upper class areas have a harder time attracting and keeping teachers and paras. They're miserable places to work.

I’ve also worked in both, though more recently in Germantown. Both areas have their issues and both are having trouble retaining teachers. In Bethesda, the parent demands can just be too much. The daily emails and constant judgement is hard to stomach (just read DCUM for examples). In Germantown, I rarely have any interaction with parents. In fact, I am often struggling just to get calls returned. However, the student behavior is out of this world. School is expected to fix all of society’s issues which is impossible. The daily disrespect from the students is horrible.

So teachers are dealing with very different issues, but both are challenging and both are driving teachers away from teaching. I believe Rockville might be ideal, but who knows? All I know is that I used to love teaching and now hate it.

NP here. I began my career at an elementary school in Potomac and am in Germantown twenty years later. The difference between the two are night and day, and you are correct, the behavior is off the chain. I agree that one of the hardest parts is trying to meet all the needs of our students when the root cause of the challenges are societal issues that bleed into schools. I will love on my kids as much as possible while still holding firm boundaries but I can't help with all the crap that they deal with when they leave school each day. Part of me wonders if I would rather go back to snowplow parents over my current situation when Johnny tears my room apart daily but mom refuses to answer the phone.

Is there a happy medium anywhere??

Focus schools

I could see this- although I think the administration at the school is important too. Teachers talk, they know which principals are supportive and which aren't.

Um Focus schools are no walk in the park. I worked at one upcounty and the behaviors were far worse than what I experienced in my current Silver Spring Title 1 school. There's a crazy sense of entitlement upcounty where parents defend the complete nonsense their kids cause in class compared to my current school.

It’s well known that the behavior upcounty is off the charts bad.

The best are probably the schools with high % of Spanish speakers because those kids really want to learn.

But if you are looking for well behaved kids overall, MCPS is pretty bad. You’d need to head further south where discipline is still acceptable.

Thanks for the overgeneralizations.

Posts like that are always laughable.

The interesting thing is that no one will (can?) name a school where the teachers enjoy working and they can actually teach rather than play referee all day. Potomac/bethesda is entitled, Gaithersburg can’t behave, upcounty focus schools are entitled too, and boy oh boy don’t get started on Wheaton with BBC all the gang violence.

What is BBC?

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Anonymous wrote:Some MCPS schools, including my DC's, seem to have too many teachers. It's sounding like the schools with the good principals don't have as many staffing issues?

Also, many former MCPS students have gone elsewhere due to the in-person school closures.

So would be curious which schools are the ones with all these unfilled positions.

Why does it seem that way to you?

Classrooms with only about 11 or so students

That seems really low, even for a Title 1 school

I'd be curious what grade- our Focus school was very imbalanced this year. Kindergarten classes all had 20+ students but some of the 1st-3nd grade classes were <15.

I've worked in a focus school a few years and seen it happen a few times. Usually the year started out balanced but a disproportionate number of kids left or transferred and then that teacher usually is the designated person to get new students transferring in. In another case there were kids with very high behavioral needs so it made sense to make that class smaller.

In my school we needed more kindergarten students but couldn't find a qualified kindergarten teacher. In some cases the applicants had multiple offers and chose schools closer to home

Teachers picking schools close to home is a big problem. There is a lack of affordable housing for moco workers including teachers. So if teachers can make the same salary in Germantown with a shorter commute, they will.

Most Germantown schools will also have smaller class sizes, because they have a higher FARMS rate.

I think the applicant chose a job in either Ann Arundel or Howard county

I teach in Germantown and enjoy the reverse commute from Bethesda. I have wonderful co-workers but most elementary schools in Germantown are far from easy. There's a ton of poverty, trauma, etc.

I've worked in both Bethesda and Germantown (and others). The culture of the Bethesda schools is insane, really, really hard to stomach, while the culture in a place like Germantown is normal. That makes a BIG difference in someone's day, and explains why schools in upper class areas have a harder time attracting and keeping teachers and paras. They're miserable places to work.

I’ve also worked in both, though more recently in Germantown. Both areas have their issues and both are having trouble retaining teachers. In Bethesda, the parent demands can just be too much. The daily emails and constant judgement is hard to stomach (just read DCUM for examples). In Germantown, I rarely have any interaction with parents. In fact, I am often struggling just to get calls returned. However, the student behavior is out of this world. School is expected to fix all of society’s issues which is impossible. The daily disrespect from the students is horrible.

So teachers are dealing with very different issues, but both are challenging and both are driving teachers away from teaching. I believe Rockville might be ideal, but who knows? All I know is that I used to love teaching and now hate it.

NP here. I began my career at an elementary school in Potomac and am in Germantown twenty years later. The difference between the two are night and day, and you are correct, the behavior is off the chain. I agree that one of the hardest parts is trying to meet all the needs of our students when the root cause of the challenges are societal issues that bleed into schools. I will love on my kids as much as possible while still holding firm boundaries but I can't help with all the crap that they deal with when they leave school each day. Part of me wonders if I would rather go back to snowplow parents over my current situation when Johnny tears my room apart daily but mom refuses to answer the phone.

Is there a happy medium anywhere??

Focus schools

I could see this- although I think the administration at the school is important too. Teachers talk, they know which principals are supportive and which aren't.

Um Focus schools are no walk in the park. I worked at one upcounty and the behaviors were far worse than what I experienced in my current Silver Spring Title 1 school. There's a crazy sense of entitlement upcounty where parents defend the complete nonsense their kids cause in class compared to my current school.

It’s well known that the behavior upcounty is off the charts bad.

The best are probably the schools with high % of Spanish speakers because those kids really want to learn.

But if you are looking for well behaved kids overall, MCPS is pretty bad. You’d need to head further south where discipline is still acceptable.

Thanks for the overgeneralizations.

Posts like that are always laughable.

The interesting thing is that no one will (can?) name a school where the teachers enjoy working and they can actually teach rather than play referee all day. Potomac/bethesda is entitled, Gaithersburg can’t behave, upcounty focus schools are entitled too, and boy oh boy don’t get started on Wheaton with BBC all the gang violence.

What is BBC?

https://www.bbc.com/

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DP here. Clearly you must hire from crap colleges. I went to an Ivy and if you fall a course, you got an F. How are you accepting applicants with Es and Fs on their transcript

Discussion here is not about privileged Ivy League graduates and their scores. We are proud socialists of Montgomery County that don't care about quality of the teachers but about their number. An "F" teacher will deal better with an "F" student

LOL. Sad but true.