Loud ATV drivers at night? City government? Police?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:We and many families with children live in an area that has become a playground for these groups. The police is prevented from doing much, and they carry on the whole night at such loud levels and speeds that it’s impossible to sleep and people stay indoors. It’s a very sad state of affairs. Children who need to sleep or study or go to school are being sacrificed for a pretty pitiful excuse for a rush which could be safely practiced where it’s not endangering lives, health and well-being of others. This is the 2nd summer and we are moving out but not everyone can. Having seen first hand what this does to people, especially children (it’s basically a form of torture - noise and sleep deprivation), I would vote for anyone and anything that would stop it in DC borders.

Welcome to city living. This is what vibrancy means. If this doesn’t appeal to environment that you want to raise your kids, I recommend moving to the suburbs.

How do you explain that you equate vibrancy with the favorite pastime of a red state hick exercised by mostly suburbanites who come here, terrorize the city people, and then sleep calmly in their suburban homes where they raise their children in the suburbs? And you can’t even tell this is being done to you? What hope is there for democracy?

If everyone in your community to only engage in recreation in highly regulated manner that you can control, you can accomplish that through a suburban HOA. You cannot accomplish that it an open and vibrant city. Sorry.

It’s literally against the law. Cops just need to start enforcing the laws.

FWIW, I think a reckoning is coming. People are all about supporting liberal causes until they start feeling unsafe.

[Anonymous]

Everyone I know in a nutshell. The sentiment has turned so much in the last year, it’s not turning back. Enjoy while it lasts. But I think who’ll end up in the burbs is not us

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Everyone I know in a nutshell. The sentiment has turned so much in the last year, it’s not turning back. Enjoy while it lasts. But I think who’ll end up in the burbs is not us

You sound like the NIMBYs that use coded language about “quality of life” to enforce segregation. Maybe that’s your natural political inclination? The progression here is that you will next start complaining about cookouts in your neighborhood.

Who’s the politician who’s on your side here to try to criminalize and arrest these kids? Whatever you think is happening is not happening. If you cannot tolerate living in a city the best thing about this country is that you are afforded abundant choice.

[Anonymous]

No one buys this demagoguery any longer. No, it’s about what the other normal people said. Keep repeating poorly fitting talking points, I hear wah wah wah.

It’s a city full of democratic, liberal people of all races keen to do the right thing. But we are all fed up and care about our children and the future.

[Anonymous]

It cracks me up that the race-baiting PP is defending a red state favorite pastime.

Also, these are not “kids”. Look out the window.

So here are things that will happen regardless of whether there’s a politician PP describes (there are and there will be more) if things don’t change: no statehoood, even greater income, health, prospects, life expectancy, learning gaps IN THE CITY (none of us are moving to the suburbs). So who pays? You know the answer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We and many families with children live in an area that has become a playground for these groups. The police is prevented from doing much, and they carry on the whole night at such loud levels and speeds that it’s impossible to sleep and people stay indoors. It’s a very sad state of affairs. Children who need to sleep or study or go to school are being sacrificed for a pretty pitiful excuse for a rush which could be safely practiced where it’s not endangering lives, health and well-being of others. This is the 2nd summer and we are moving out but not everyone can. Having seen first hand what this does to people, especially children (it’s basically a form of torture - noise and sleep deprivation), I would vote for anyone and anything that would stop it in DC borders.

Welcome to city living. This is what vibrancy means. If this doesn’t appeal to environment that you want to raise your kids, I recommend moving to the suburbs.

How do you explain that you equate vibrancy with the favorite pastime of a red state hick exercised by mostly suburbanites who come here, terrorize the city people, and then sleep calmly in their suburban homes where they raise their children in the suburbs? And you can’t even tell this is being done to you? What hope is there for democracy?

If everyone in your community to only engage in recreation in highly regulated manner that you can control, you can accomplish that through a suburban HOA. You cannot accomplish that it an open and vibrant city. Sorry.

It’s literally against the law. Cops just need to start enforcing the laws.

FWIW, I think a reckoning is coming. People are all about supporting liberal causes until they start feeling unsafe.

Amen

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It cracks me up that the race-baiting PP is defending a red state favorite pastime.

Also, these are not “kids”. Look out the window.

So here are things that will happen regardless of whether there’s a politician PP describes (there are and there will be more) if things don’t change: no statehoood, even greater income, health, prospects, life expectancy, learning gaps IN THE CITY (none of us are moving to the suburbs). So who pays? You know the answer.

What does “red state pastime” mean exactly and why is political party relevant here?

I’m curious also what you characterize as “race baiting”. Is it not true that your grievance is about the recreational activity of Black kids in your neighborhood? Or is it white kids who you are complaining about? Race is always present and relevant to questions of policing in this city. Interesting that you think pointing this out is “race baiting”. You must be one of those people who like to say that anti-racist activists are “the real racists”.

[Anonymous]

No. I call red herring.

[Anonymous]

What a Philly source says:

“It appears it all started with a group of ATV/Dirt bike riders. They're a lawless disrespectful group with no regard for human life so really this isn't surprising to me at all.

It's a shame Philly is a great city but groups like this make it incredibly dangerous to visit. The ATV/dirt bike "culture" is incredibly dangerous to the general public and it's becoming a much bigger problem up and down the east coast.”

Time will tell

[Anonymous]

Not clear who/what started the Philly shooting. But it’s not difficult to believe that’s the case

[Anonymous]

Another Philly source:

“This dirt bike gang is a massive nuisance and will not hesitate on beating the shit out of people I’m talking like a group of 30-50.

From what I understand they started shooting into the crowd. I live very close by and it was absolute chaos. Sounded like every cop in the city came.”

[Anonymous]

And for what? Rush and giggles for the few who can afford the vehicles, gas and to not care?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It cracks me up that the race-baiting PP is defending a red state favorite pastime.

Also, these are not “kids”. Look out the window.

So here are things that will happen regardless of whether there’s a politician PP describes (there are and there will be more) if things don’t change: no statehoood, even greater income, health, prospects, life expectancy, learning gaps IN THE CITY (none of us are moving to the suburbs). So who pays? You know the answer.

What does “red state pastime” mean exactly and why is political party relevant here?

I’m curious also what you characterize as “race baiting”. Is it not true that your grievance is about the recreational activity of Black kids in your neighborhood? Or is it white kids who you are complaining about? Race is always present and relevant to questions of policing in this city. Interesting that you think pointing this out is “race baiting”. You must be one of those people who like to say that anti-racist activists are “the real racists”.

NP. Anti-racist "activists" are in face real neo-racists. Ever more people of goodwill are starting to realize that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Everyone I know in a nutshell. The sentiment has turned so much in the last year, it’s not turning back. Enjoy while it lasts. But I think who’ll end up in the burbs is not us

You sound like the NIMBYs that use coded language about “quality of life” to enforce segregation. Maybe that’s your natural political inclination? The progression here is that you will next start complaining about cookouts in your neighborhood.

Who’s the politician who’s on your side here to try to criminalize and arrest these kids? Whatever you think is happening is not happening. If you cannot tolerate living in a city the best thing about this country is that you are afforded abundant choice.

It IS criminal. There aren’t enough cops nor means to arrest. That’s why it’s a hellscape worse than Mad Max. And the funny thing is that it looks so
Pathetic. What fool can’t ride a glorified tractor when police can’t chase ya?

[Anonymous]

Well, then there’s this from Philly too:

“I really love this city. One moment it’s quiet, next there’s fireworks, after a shooting then more fireworks then ATVs driving by. this city is like no other”

Hashtag vibrancy Hashtag kids Hashtag look on the bright side of life (Monty Python)