Middle Schools for Cap Hill

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:School demographic change always lags neighborhood change. I think Jefferson might be interesting over the next 5-10 years. The Wharf only opened 4 years ago this fall. While the old Brent neighbors might have been different, Brent is probably at this stage too wealthy and "gentrified" to become a serious feeder. But I could potentially see kids from the other 3 schools starting to attend in reasonably large numbers.

The fallacy that demographics alone can create a good school is often heard on Hill playgrounds. It takes that, plus buy-in from administration to offer honors classes and hire teachers capable of teaching them. Demographics alone can take a school further in ES than in MS and HS, and parents need to remember this. You may have “flipped” your local ES by encouraging your neighbors to enroll but it is not so simple as the kids get older. That said, I truly believe that this attitude is also the reason that the performance of white ES students on the hill on standardized tests lags behind the same demographic in other school districts.

Ummmm, that's not actually accurate. And even less so when you adjust for socio-economic factors. But by all means just keep typing whatever comes into your head.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:School demographic change always lags neighborhood change. I think Jefferson might be interesting over the next 5-10 years. The Wharf only opened 4 years ago this fall. While the old Brent neighbors might have been different, Brent is probably at this stage too wealthy and "gentrified" to become a serious feeder. But I could potentially see kids from the other 3 schools starting to attend in reasonably large numbers.

The fallacy that demographics alone can create a good school is often heard on Hill playgrounds. It takes that, plus buy-in from administration to offer honors classes and hire teachers capable of teaching them. Demographics alone can take a school further in ES than in MS and HS, and parents need to remember this. You may have “flipped” your local ES by encouraging your neighbors to enroll but it is not so simple as the kids get older. That said, I truly believe that this attitude is also the reason that the performance of white ES students on the hill on standardized tests lags behind the same demographic in other school districts.

I have NEVER heard anyone argue that demographics alone will change a school. No one thinks that. You are imputing something into what they said that was never expressed or intended.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:School demographic change always lags neighborhood change. I think Jefferson might be interesting over the next 5-10 years. The Wharf only opened 4 years ago this fall. While the old Brent neighbors might have been different, Brent is probably at this stage too wealthy and "gentrified" to become a serious feeder. But I could potentially see kids from the other 3 schools starting to attend in reasonably large numbers.

The fallacy that demographics alone can create a good school is often heard on Hill playgrounds. It takes that, plus buy-in from administration to offer honors classes and hire teachers capable of teaching them. Demographics alone can take a school further in ES than in MS and HS, and parents need to remember this. You may have “flipped” your local ES by encouraging your neighbors to enroll but it is not so simple as the kids get older. That said, I truly believe that this attitude is also the reason that the performance of white ES students on the hill on standardized tests lags behind the same demographic in other school districts.

Ummmm, that's not actually accurate. And even less so when you adjust for socio-economic factors. But by all means just keep typing whatever comes into your head.

The reality is that families in the city supplement like crazy and those in the burbs who have access to tracking not so much if any.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:School demographic change always lags neighborhood change. I think Jefferson might be interesting over the next 5-10 years. The Wharf only opened 4 years ago this fall. While the old Brent neighbors might have been different, Brent is probably at this stage too wealthy and "gentrified" to become a serious feeder. But I could potentially see kids from the other 3 schools starting to attend in reasonably large numbers.

The fallacy that demographics alone can create a good school is often heard on Hill playgrounds. It takes that, plus buy-in from administration to offer honors classes and hire teachers capable of teaching them. Demographics alone can take a school further in ES than in MS and HS, and parents need to remember this. You may have “flipped” your local ES by encouraging your neighbors to enroll but it is not so simple as the kids get older. That said, I truly believe that this attitude is also the reason that the performance of white ES students on the hill on standardized tests lags behind the same demographic in other school districts.

Ummmm, that's not actually accurate. And even less so when you adjust for socio-economic factors. But by all means just keep typing whatever comes into your head.

The reality is that families in the city supplement like crazy and those in the burbs who have access to tracking not so much if any.

Not remotely responsive. PPP typed that white PARCC scores on CH lagged behind other DC schools and used that data point to support their point. I responded that the score data point is in fact not true. White UMC scores in DC are pretty consistent across the board. And you replied to say something about "supplementing"?

With apologies to John Mulaney, ""OK. Let's talk about his entirely different thing."

[Anonymous]

FWIW, here are the percentages of white students at Jefferson, Stuart-Hobson, Eliot-Hine and Deal who met or exceeded expectations on the latest PARCC:

Jefferson: 100% ELA, 90.9% math

Stuart-Hobson: 92.7% ELA, 72.2% math

Eliot-Hine: 85.7% ELA, 85.7% math

Deal: 94.6% ELA, 80.8% math

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:FWIW, here are the percentages of white students at Jefferson, Stuart-Hobson, Eliot-Hine and Deal who met or exceeded expectations on the latest PARCC:

Jefferson: 100% ELA, 90.9% math

Stuart-Hobson: 92.7% ELA, 72.2% math

Eliot-Hine: 85.7% ELA, 85.7% math

Deal: 94.6% ELA, 80.8% math

Wait a minute...You mean that the overall superior test scores for Deal might have something to do with the Deal demo of predominately UMC (often correlated in DC with white) population and not just the easy answers proffered on DCUM? I am shocked, SHOCKED by this development.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FWIW, here are the percentages of white students at Jefferson, Stuart-Hobson, Eliot-Hine and Deal who met or exceeded expectations on the latest PARCC:

Jefferson: 100% ELA, 90.9% math

Stuart-Hobson: 92.7% ELA, 72.2% math

Eliot-Hine: 85.7% ELA, 85.7% math

Deal: 94.6% ELA, 80.8% math

Wait a minute...You mean that the overall superior test scores for Deal might have something to do with the Deal demo of predominately UMC (often correlated in DC with white) population and not just the easy answers proffered on DCUM? I am shocked, SHOCKED by this development.


It's the same pattern at almost any DCPS/ DC Charter. Test score-wise, there is very little difference in the performance of white children/UMC irrespective of where they attend school.

Test scores aren't everything of course, but the schools themselves are doing very to contribute to the decent performance of white/UMC children, and by the same token, are not the primary culprit behind the relatively low performance of low-SES students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:School demographic change always lags neighborhood change. I think Jefferson might be interesting over the next 5-10 years. The Wharf only opened 4 years ago this fall. While the old Brent neighbors might have been different, Brent is probably at this stage too wealthy and "gentrified" to become a serious feeder. But I could potentially see kids from the other 3 schools starting to attend in reasonably large numbers.

The fallacy that demographics alone can create a good school is often heard on Hill playgrounds. It takes that, plus buy-in from administration to offer honors classes and hire teachers capable of teaching them. Demographics alone can take a school further in ES than in MS and HS, and parents need to remember this. You may have “flipped” your local ES by encouraging your neighbors to enroll but it is not so simple as the kids get older. That said, I truly believe that this attitude is also the reason that the performance of white ES students on the hill on standardized tests lags behind the same demographic in other school districts.

Ummmm, that's not actually accurate. And even less so when you adjust for socio-economic factors. But by all means just keep typing whatever comes into your head.

The reality is that families in the city supplement like crazy and those in the burbs who have access to tracking not so much if any.

So this isn't true by a long shot. Folks in the burbs are also supplementing out the wazoo because they are in an arms race with their neighbors.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:School demographic change always lags neighborhood change. I think Jefferson might be interesting over the next 5-10 years. The Wharf only opened 4 years ago this fall. While the old Brent neighbors might have been different, Brent is probably at this stage too wealthy and "gentrified" to become a serious feeder. But I could potentially see kids from the other 3 schools starting to attend in reasonably large numbers.

The fallacy that demographics alone can create a good school is often heard on Hill playgrounds. It takes that, plus buy-in from administration to offer honors classes and hire teachers capable of teaching them. Demographics alone can take a school further in ES than in MS and HS, and parents need to remember this. You may have “flipped” your local ES by encouraging your neighbors to enroll but it is not so simple as the kids get older. That said, I truly believe that this attitude is also the reason that the performance of white ES students on the hill on standardized tests lags behind the same demographic in other school districts.

Ummmm, that's not actually accurate. And even less so when you adjust for socio-economic factors. But by all means just keep typing whatever comes into your head.

The reality is that families in the city supplement like crazy and those in the burbs who have access to tracking not so much if any.

Not remotely responsive. PPP typed that white PARCC scores on CH lagged behind other DC schools and used that data point to support their point. I responded that the score data point is in fact not true. White UMC scores in DC are pretty consistent across the board. And you replied to say something about "supplementing"?

With apologies to John Mulaney, ""OK. Let's talk about his entirely different thing."

No PP says it lags behind other high performing school districts such in Nova or MD.

[Anonymous]

one of the most critical factors that will drive success for middle and high schoolers is a high-achieving peer group (you need roughly a dozen highly capable and similar ability kids taking the same classes together)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:FWIW, here are the percentages of white students at Jefferson, Stuart-Hobson, Eliot-Hine and Deal who met or exceeded expectations on the latest PARCC:

Jefferson: 100% ELA, 90.9% math

Stuart-Hobson: 92.7% ELA, 72.2% math

Eliot-Hine: 85.7% ELA, 85.7% math

Deal: 94.6% ELA, 80.8% math

Please, sample sizes aren't large enough for Eliot-Hine, Jefferson or Stuart Hobson to tell us much, other than that a small number of high SES/white families are now using these schools. There are, what, two dozen white students at both EH and Jefferson, and no more than 60 at SH. Contrast those numbers to 650-700 white students at Deal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:School demographic change always lags neighborhood change. I think Jefferson might be interesting over the next 5-10 years. The Wharf only opened 4 years ago this fall. While the old Brent neighbors might have been different, Brent is probably at this stage too wealthy and "gentrified" to become a serious feeder. But I could potentially see kids from the other 3 schools starting to attend in reasonably large numbers.

The fallacy that demographics alone can create a good school is often heard on Hill playgrounds. It takes that, plus buy-in from administration to offer honors classes and hire teachers capable of teaching them. Demographics alone can take a school further in ES than in MS and HS, and parents need to remember this. You may have “flipped” your local ES by encouraging your neighbors to enroll but it is not so simple as the kids get older. That said, I truly believe that this attitude is also the reason that the performance of white ES students on the hill on standardized tests lags behind the same demographic in other school districts.

Ummmm, that's not actually accurate. And even less so when you adjust for socio-economic factors. But by all means just keep typing whatever comes into your head.

The reality is that families in the city supplement like crazy and those in the burbs who have access to tracking not so much if any.

So this isn't true by a long shot. Folks in the burbs are also supplementing out the wazoo because they are in an arms race with their neighbors.

Some people just inherently might be like that but I know a number of families at Langley and no one is supplementing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:FWIW, here are the percentages of white students at Jefferson, Stuart-Hobson, Eliot-Hine and Deal who met or exceeded expectations on the latest PARCC:

Jefferson: 100% ELA, 90.9% math

Stuart-Hobson: 92.7% ELA, 72.2% math

Eliot-Hine: 85.7% ELA, 85.7% math

Deal: 94.6% ELA, 80.8% math

BS- there aren’t enough white students at Jefferson taking PAARC to pull race based test scores. There aren’t more than 10white kids in any grade at Jefferson. Look at the overall test scores at Jefferson.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FWIW, here are the percentages of white students at Jefferson, Stuart-Hobson, Eliot-Hine and Deal who met or exceeded expectations on the latest PARCC:

Jefferson: 100% ELA, 90.9% math

Stuart-Hobson: 92.7% ELA, 72.2% math

Eliot-Hine: 85.7% ELA, 85.7% math

Deal: 94.6% ELA, 80.8% math

BS- there aren’t enough white students at Jefferson taking PAARC to pull race based test scores. There aren’t more than 10white kids in any grade at Jefferson. Look at the overall test scores at Jefferson.

In order to report the overall data on white students for an entire school, there need only be at least 10 white students in the entire school. And the last time PARCC scores were released, the data showed that 100% of the white kids at Jefferson met or exceeded expectations in ELA, and 90.9% met or exceeded expectations in math.

You can look it up yourself in the link below if you still don't believe me.

https://view.officeapps.live.com/op/view.aspx?src=https%3A%2F%2Fdcps.dc.gov%2Fsites%2Fdefault%2Ffiles%2Fdc%2Fsites%2Fdcps%2Fpublication%2Fattachments%2F2019-Overall-and-Subgroups_public_formatted.xlsx&wdOrigin=BROWSELINK

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FWIW, here are the percentages of white students at Jefferson, Stuart-Hobson, Eliot-Hine and Deal who met or exceeded expectations on the latest PARCC:

Jefferson: 100% ELA, 90.9% math

Stuart-Hobson: 92.7% ELA, 72.2% math

Eliot-Hine: 85.7% ELA, 85.7% math

Deal: 94.6% ELA, 80.8% math

Please, sample sizes aren't large enough for Eliot-Hine, Jefferson or Stuart Hobson to tell us much, other than that a small number of high SES/white families are now using these schools. There are, what, two dozen white students at both EH and Jefferson, and no more than 60 at SH. Contrast those numbers to 650-700 white students at Deal.

I also think the families willing to roll the dice on EH and Jefferson are likely families with kids who “will do well anywhere.”