I'm a rationale conservative - can you convince me voting rights legislation is needed?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, if you are truly “rational”, then whether you are conservative or not, you will recognize the urgent need to strengthen voting rights. If you have no such recognition, then calling yourself “rational” doesn’t make you one.

The problem is that eliminating voter integrity takes away my voting rights.

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Lol wut. Tell me your feelings about gay marriage and women working outside the home; I bet those opinions are real barn burners.

Stereotype much? As for gay marriage, I don't care. Fine with me. Women working outside the home? LOL! Does twenty years working outside the home count?

[Anonymous]

SC offers free ID. Don't know if they still do it, but they have offered free rides to the DMV if you need one.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Welp, Senator Sinema just killed this bill and thus any chance of free and fair elections in 2022 and 2024.

We will slip into a GOP tyanny of the Minority Autocracy if the GOP wins the House in 2022.

Pin this post, I would be more than happy to be proven wrong.

What hyperbolic nonsense!

Truth is... Sinema is giving cover to a handful of other Dem Senators who are also opposed to what Schumer is trying to do. Note that the other Senator from Arizona has not stated his position on the filibuster.
Don't you wonder why?
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/01/10/democrats-filibuster-vote-526863

And, there is little questions that the Republicans are going to win the House, with or without the partisan bill Schumer was trying to ram through.

Voting rights are not partisan.

Wow some of you really want to usher in the new fascist reich, don’t you?

Voting rights are not partisan but the bill that Schumer and Pelosi are pushing is most definitely partisan.
That is how we know this is not really about "voting rights" at all. It is about power.

[Anonymous]

I am sorry - but this voting rights bill makes it easier to vote than get a REAL ID in this country to drive a car.

The amount of documents one has to provide to get an ID - it is quite impressive. No way a non DC resident getting past the ladies at the DMV.

Seriously.

Voting is a privilege which you are welcome to exercise. Hungry or thirsty in line? Bring your own snacks and water. Want to vote - go before work. Can't? Request absentee ballot.

Spoon feed until you get the "right" folks showing up. Kind of like the GA senate race. Biden: vote Dem and we put 2K in your pocket! Disgusting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Registration and voting and vote counting are different actions. States set their own requirements. Some states intentionally try to make it hard for blacks, Hispanics, and college students to register, to vote, and to have their votes counted. It’s always been that way. It’s what conservative state and local governments do. Every one of them.

So, it's not okay to require proof of residency and citizenship to register in Red states? That is what you are saying. Sorry, but the Dem bill is not sufficient. It allows a "work around" which eliminates the need for proof.

Uh, everyone has to have proof of residency to vote in an election. There is a difference between showing that proof to be on the voter rolls, and having an ID card when you show up to vote.

I am in DC and when I went to vote - nobody asked me for any ID. Total lie on your part. Heaven forbids we protect voting by requiring IDs! No integrity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am sorry - but this voting rights bill makes it easier to vote than get a REAL ID in this country to drive a car.

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I am sorry - but you have drunk the right wing kool aid.

The GOP has passed laws that they can just reverse election outcomes they don’t like.

Do you remember Texas’s shenanigans in 2020?

Or this: “For example, as Arizona legislators were debating new restrictive voting bills, State Rep. John Kavanagh stated that Arizona Republicans “don’t mind putting security measures in that won’t let everybody vote” and that he was more concerned with the “quality of votes” than with overall voter turnout.” https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/voter-suppression-2020 (This is a marvelous site that you won’t read.)

The GOP is engaging in voter suppression - a form of cheating, basically - because they are dead party, and they have spent the last year demonizing vaccines and downplaying the seriousness of covid, so they’ve been killing off their base, too.

People who don’t support voting rights are supporting fascism.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am sorry - but this voting rights bill makes it easier to vote than get a REAL ID in this country to drive a car.

The amount of documents one has to provide to get an ID - it is quite impressive. No way a non DC resident getting past the ladies at the DMV.

Seriously.

Voting is a privilege which you are welcome to exercise. Hungry or thirsty in line? Bring your own snacks and water. Want to vote - go before work. Can't? Request absentee ballot.

Spoon feed until you get the "right" folks showing up. Kind of like the GA senate race. Biden: vote Dem and we put 2K in your pocket! Disgusting.

Shouldn’t it be easier to vote (constitutional right, does not directly result in death of self or others) than to drive a car (privilege granted by government, not a right, can result in the direct injury or death of innocent people.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow, the Republican propaganda machine has really kicked in to overdrive for the last half dozen or so posts.

Actually, they are reasonable questions and concerns. Also, many of these items aren't even a federal power.

There are all sorts of things Trump did that weren't in federal power yet you didn't give a lick about it then, first, and second, standardizing the types of IDs one can use to gain the ability to vote should be a good thing. Why do you think it is ok for gun licenses but not state issued student IDs?

Because a student ID doesn't establish proof of residency. If you go to college out of state, you aren't necessarily a resident of that state.

if you are going to college in that state, then you are living there, and thus a resident. Do you hear yourself?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Welp, Senator Sinema just killed this bill and thus any chance of free and fair elections in 2022 and 2024.

We will slip into a GOP tyanny of the Minority Autocracy if the GOP wins the House in 2022.

Pin this post, I would be more than happy to be proven wrong.

What hyperbolic nonsense!

Truth is... Sinema is giving cover to a handful of other Dem Senators who are also opposed to what Schumer is trying to do. Note that the other Senator from Arizona has not stated his position on the filibuster.
Don't you wonder why?
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/01/10/democrats-filibuster-vote-526863

And, there is little questions that the Republicans are going to win the House, with or without the partisan bill Schumer was trying to ram through.

Yes, because they are gerrymandering seats in their favor. They just carved up the major cities in Tennessee so there are no urban seats now, so the Tennessee delegation will all be rural white folks despite Memphis and Knoxville as major blue areas. Yay!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Welp, Senator Sinema just killed this bill and thus any chance of free and fair elections in 2022 and 2024.

We will slip into a GOP tyanny of the Minority Autocracy if the GOP wins the House in 2022.

Pin this post, I would be more than happy to be proven wrong.

What hyperbolic nonsense!

Truth is... Sinema is giving cover to a handful of other Dem Senators who are also opposed to what Schumer is trying to do. Note that the other Senator from Arizona has not stated his position on the filibuster.
Don't you wonder why?
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/01/10/democrats-filibuster-vote-526863

And, there is little questions that the Republicans are going to win the House, with or without the partisan bill Schumer was trying to ram through.

Voting rights are not partisan.

Wow some of you really want to usher in the new fascist reich, don’t you?

Voting rights are not partisan but the bill that Schumer and Pelosi are pushing is most definitely partisan.
That is how we know this is not really about "voting rights" at all. It is about power.

It's only partisan because the GOP has fully closed ranks on bills that were bi-partisan and very similar just a few years ago.

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Welp, Senator Sinema just killed this bill and thus any chance of free and fair elections in 2022 and 2024.

We will slip into a GOP tyanny of the Minority Autocracy if the GOP wins the House in 2022.

Pin this post, I would be more than happy to be proven wrong.

What hyperbolic nonsense!

Truth is... Sinema is giving cover to a handful of other Dem Senators who are also opposed to what Schumer is trying to do. Note that the other Senator from Arizona has not stated his position on the filibuster.
Don't you wonder why?
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/01/10/democrats-filibuster-vote-526863

And, there is little questions that the Republicans are going to win the House, with or without the partisan bill Schumer was trying to ram through.

Yes, because they are gerrymandering seats in their favor. They just carved up the major cities in Tennessee so there are no urban seats now, so the Tennessee delegation will all be rural white folks despite Memphis and Knoxville as major blue areas. Yay!

Now, do Maryland, Illinois, NY, and California.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Registration and voting and vote counting are different actions. States set their own requirements. Some states intentionally try to make it hard for blacks, Hispanics, and college students to register, to vote, and to have their votes counted. It’s always been that way. It’s what conservative state and local governments do. Every one of them.

So, it's not okay to require proof of residency and citizenship to register in Red states? That is what you are saying. Sorry, but the Dem bill is not sufficient. It allows a "work around" which eliminates the need for proof.

Uh, everyone has to have proof of residency to vote in an election. There is a difference between showing that proof to be on the voter rolls, and having an ID card when you show up to vote.

I am in DC and when I went to vote - nobody asked me for any ID. Total lie on your part. Heaven forbids we protect voting by requiring IDs! No integrity.

+1. I OFFERED my ID in DC and the person told me immediately to put it away. They didn't want it ever to look like someone was showing ID in a voting place. Can you imagine?

Thank you, Senator Sinema. You have just saved the country.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am sorry - but this voting rights bill makes it easier to vote than get a REAL ID in this country to drive a car.

The amount of documents one has to provide to get an ID - it is quite impressive. No way a non DC resident getting past the ladies at the DMV.

Seriously.

Voting is a privilege which you are welcome to exercise. Hungry or thirsty in line? Bring your own snacks and water. Want to vote - go before work. Can't? Request absentee ballot.

Spoon feed until you get the "right" folks showing up. Kind of like the GA senate race. Biden: vote Dem and we put 2K in your pocket! Disgusting.

Shouldn’t it be easier to vote (constitutional right, does not directly result in death of self or others) than to drive a car (privilege granted by government, not a right, can result in the direct injury or death of innocent people.

You miss the purpose of the REAL ID - which requires, DD card, birth certificate and 2 forms of respondency proof. How are any of these forms related to proof that you or I can drive a car with skill? They are not. This is pure and simple proof of citizenship and residency. So - NO it should not be easier to vote in local, state or national elections where you should prove you are a stakeholder - it should be the SAME given the requirements.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Welp, Senator Sinema just killed this bill and thus any chance of free and fair elections in 2022 and 2024.

We will slip into a GOP tyanny of the Minority Autocracy if the GOP wins the House in 2022.

Pin this post, I would be more than happy to be proven wrong.

What hyperbolic nonsense!

Truth is... Sinema is giving cover to a handful of other Dem Senators who are also opposed to what Schumer is trying to do. Note that the other Senator from Arizona has not stated his position on the filibuster.
Don't you wonder why?
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/01/10/democrats-filibuster-vote-526863

And, there is little questions that the Republicans are going to win the House, with or without the partisan bill Schumer was trying to ram through.

Voting rights are not partisan.

Wow some of you really want to usher in the new fascist reich, don’t you?

Voting rights are not partisan but the bill that Schumer and Pelosi are pushing is most definitely partisan.
That is how we know this is not really about "voting rights" at all. It is about power.

It's really not partisan. The John Lewis bill is pretty common sense. HR 1 was more partisan and it would have been really difficult for states to comply.