do college admissions get ugly at the Big3 when all the parents are Ivy grads?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And since PP keeps annoyingly asking the same question over and over, I'll ask mine again too -- why isn't the aggregate matriculation list enough? Or putting it another way, what's insufficient about it?

No one seems even to have tried to answer the question that you believe is annoyingly being asked over and over, which is perhaps why it keeps being asked.

By contrast, your question has been answered, even if you don’t like or disagree with the answers. Additionally, Sidwell’s aggregate 5 year list doesn’t provide total numbers so it’s even less meaningful in providing context and perspective.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And since PP keeps annoyingly asking the same question over and over, I'll ask mine again too -- why isn't the aggregate matriculation list enough? Or putting it another way, what's insufficient about it?

Because PP wants to rank the kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And since PP keeps annoyingly asking the same question over and over, I'll ask mine again too -- why isn't the aggregate matriculation list enough? Or putting it another way, what's insufficient about it?

+1

Plus, she hasn’t named any of these other schools that allegedly publish an individualized list.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:That's an aggregate list. I think PPs are talking about which individuals ended up where?

Which is only the business of the students. It is weird that there is a demand to know what students when to what specific schools. If it isn't your kid or a friend of the family (in which case, you would know) what difference does it make?

These aggregate lists provide enough of a sample for people to figure out generally where kids go to college.

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No school makes a list of where individual students matriculate available to anyone. If the kids want to post where they're going on a class Instagram account or something like that, that's their choice, but the school has no business making that information available.

Most schools absolutely publish such a list in their magazine.

As we are beginning our own college exploration process, my Sidwell junior has commented that it would be helpful to see the destinations of last year's senior class, to give them perspective on where students ended up generally and also specifically to see where students they looked up to and admire are in school. That is an aspect of what peer leadership is all about, to the question of what difference does it make.

I think it's pretty easy to find out where the students are going. I don't know any student who somehow did not indicate it on their social media accounts, so if it's a handful of students that your child knows, you don't need an official source.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And since PP keeps annoyingly asking the same question over and over, I'll ask mine again too -- why isn't the aggregate matriculation list enough? Or putting it another way, what's insufficient about it?

Because PP wants to rank the kids.

I don't know the vast majority of the older kids and have no desire to rank them. I think the school should publish a list for reasons previously stated. Other commenters have agreed with this and stated that the school should be more transparent and not shroud the process in mystery. If you choose not to believe asserted reasons, that's on you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And since PP keeps annoyingly asking the same question over and over, I'll ask mine again too -- why isn't the aggregate matriculation list enough? Or putting it another way, what's insufficient about it?

No one seems even to have tried to answer the question that you believe is annoyingly being asked over and over, which is perhaps why it keeps being asked.

By contrast, your question has been answered, even if you don’t like or disagree with the answers. Additionally, Sidwell’s aggregate 5 year list doesn’t provide total numbers so it’s even less meaningful in providing context and perspective.

And I see that you've conveniently ignored the response at 13:17 addressing the complaint about alleged deficiencies head-on:

"Why do you think that the aggregate list doesn't provide enough data to figure out a range of expectations for your DCs?

By senior year, you should be able to make educated guesses about roughly where DC sits in the grade from a holistic qualifications standpoint -- top 10 percent, top third, top whatever -- and then see which schools in the aggregate list fall under the top X percent of matriculations, after defining the "top X percent of schools" however you want or using the US News or whatever ranking as a proxy. That should be plenty of data to shape your reaches, targets, and safeties from an expectations standpoint."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That's an aggregate list. I think PPs are talking about which individuals ended up where?

Which is only the business of the students. It is weird that there is a demand to know what students when to what specific schools. If it isn't your kid or a friend of the family (in which case, you would know) what difference does it make?

These aggregate lists provide enough of a sample for people to figure out generally where kids go to college.

+1

No school makes a list of where individual students matriculate available to anyone. If the kids want to post where they're going on a class Instagram account or something like that, that's their choice, but the school has no business making that information available.

Most schools absolutely publish such a list in their magazine.

As we are beginning our own college exploration process, my Sidwell junior has commented that it would be helpful to see the destinations of last year's senior class, to give them perspective on where students ended up generally and also specifically to see where students they looked up to and admire are in school. That is an aspect of what peer leadership is all about, to the question of what difference does it make.

I think it's pretty easy to find out where the students are going. I don't know any student who somehow did not indicate it on their social media accounts, so if it's a handful of students that your child knows, you don't need an official source.

This. 100%.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And since PP keeps annoyingly asking the same question over and over, I'll ask mine again too -- why isn't the aggregate matriculation list enough? Or putting it another way, what's insufficient about it?

Because PP wants to rank the kids.

I don't know the vast majority of the older kids and have no desire to rank them. I think the school should publish a list for reasons previously stated. Other commenters have agreed with this and stated that the school should be more transparent and not shroud the process in mystery. If you choose not to believe asserted reasons, that's on you.

They publish a list. YOU just don't like it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And since PP keeps annoyingly asking the same question over and over, I'll ask mine again too -- why isn't the aggregate matriculation list enough? Or putting it another way, what's insufficient about it?

Because PP wants to rank the kids.

I don't know the vast majority of the older kids and have no desire to rank them. I think the school should publish a list for reasons previously stated. Other commenters have agreed with this and stated that the school should be more transparent and not shroud the process in mystery. If you choose not to believe asserted reasons, that's on you.

They publish a list. YOU just don't like it.

I think this debate about matric lists is proof that THE Answer to the OP's original question, [Post New]11/17/2021 17:22 Subject: do college admissions get ugly at the Big3 when all the parents are Ivy grads/ "

Has BEEN Answered

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am so curious how this works out.
My kid just started at a Big3 for 9th.
I was looking through an email that I was on and out of 30+ addresses, 10 are Ivy alumni addresses.
This prompted me to google a bunch of the rest and out of 20, I easily hit 5 Harvard grads, 2 Duke, 3 Stanford, etc. There was one lonely Boston College grad. lol The rest were all.Ivy.

Now the reality is that last year this school sent maybe 15 kids to the Ivy League. 1/2 were sports recruits. 1/2 were minorities (some overlap but not entirely).
There was maybe one kid each to HYPS. One to Duke (and of these 5 or so kids a few were athletes or URM).
That's it. Period.

When you have a parent body that overwhelmingly went to the Ivy League (or other tippy top schools) themselves and the spots for their kids are EXCEEDINGLY few (i.e. single digits) and everyone (50 people?) wants these spots, how does this work out?
Does it get ugly?
I am so curious and am sort of frightened to find out.
(BTW I went to a SLAC).

I have no idea about admissions, but this is insane to me. Do people who have been out of school for long enough to have high school aged children really still use their college alumni addresses?

THIS!!! REALLY? My H is a Harvard grad and assure you, he stopped using it upon his graduation at 21! Red flag for major narcissist for adults with high schoolers still using their college email.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And since PP keeps annoyingly asking the same question over and over, I'll ask mine again too -- why isn't the aggregate matriculation list enough? Or putting it another way, what's insufficient about it?

Because PP wants to rank the kids.

I don't know the vast majority of the older kids and have no desire to rank them. I think the school should publish a list for reasons previously stated. Other commenters have agreed with this and stated that the school should be more transparent and not shroud the process in mystery. If you choose not to believe asserted reasons, that's on you.

They publish a list. YOU just don't like it.

Where can I find said list, as a Sidwell parent?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And since PP keeps annoyingly asking the same question over and over, I'll ask mine again too -- why isn't the aggregate matriculation list enough? Or putting it another way, what's insufficient about it?

No one seems even to have tried to answer the question that you believe is annoyingly being asked over and over, which is perhaps why it keeps being asked.

By contrast, your question has been answered, even if you don’t like or disagree with the answers. Additionally, Sidwell’s aggregate 5 year list doesn’t provide total numbers so it’s even less meaningful in providing context and perspective.

And I see that you've conveniently ignored the response at 13:17 addressing the complaint about alleged deficiencies head-on:

"Why do you think that the aggregate list doesn't provide enough data to figure out a range of expectations for your DCs?

By senior year, you should be able to make educated guesses about roughly where DC sits in the grade from a holistic qualifications standpoint -- top 10 percent, top third, top whatever -- and then see which schools in the aggregate list fall under the top X percent of matriculations, after defining the "top X percent of schools" however you want or using the US News or whatever ranking as a proxy. That should be plenty of data to shape your reaches, targets, and safeties from an expectations standpoint."

That’s not responsive to the points that have been made about why sharing a list would be helpful. Scattergrams can help with that also. But that’s different from a list, for reasons that have been explained.

Why do you think sharing a list is unnecessary or unhelpful?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And since PP keeps annoyingly asking the same question over and over, I'll ask mine again too -- why isn't the aggregate matriculation list enough? Or putting it another way, what's insufficient about it?

Because PP wants to rank the kids.

I don't know the vast majority of the older kids and have no desire to rank them. I think the school should publish a list for reasons previously stated. Other commenters have agreed with this and stated that the school should be more transparent and not shroud the process in mystery. If you choose not to believe asserted reasons, that's on you.

They publish a list. YOU just don't like it.

I think this debate about matric lists is proof that THE Answer to the OP's original question, [Post New]11/17/2021 17:22 Subject: do college admissions get ugly at the Big3 when all the parents are Ivy grads/ "

Has BEEN Answered

Indeed. At least (or especially) for sidwell.

[Anonymous]

OP, you can take this thread as a little tiny taste of what goes on at the “big x” amongst the parents when it comes to college admissions. This is how they really feel. Only a thin veneer of civility between this and you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP, you can take this thread as a little tiny taste of what goes on at the “big x” amongst the parents when it comes to college admissions. This is how they really feel. Only a thin veneer of civility between this and you.

Sidwell parents are a different breed, PP. Not ALL Big 3 schools would tolerate this. You don't see STA parents demanding, " SHOW me the ( insert anything ), making calls to CCO from a blocked number, calling an Ivy with dirt about their kid's HS classmate- Ever.

Some schools hold the line no matter who the parents are.

Other schools fit the matra often used to a marriage of convenience, " if you marry for their money, you will earn EVERY dollar "