do college admissions get ugly at the Big3 when all the parents are Ivy grads?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Back to the original question: Yes!
And double yes for all highly selective colleges.
Counselors steer kids away from each other without telling.
Kids are afraid to speak about where they are applying, even to their closest friends.
The schools pretend it is all hunky-dory and it is not.

THIS

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Back to the original question: Yes!
And double yes for all highly selective colleges.
Counselors steer kids away from each other without telling.
Kids are afraid to speak about where they are applying, even to their closest friends.
The schools pretend it is all hunky-dory and it is not.

I dunno. I guess we'll know for sure in April if not before, but this big3 parent thinks the process has been pleasant so far. DC is the spawn of one T5 parent and one SLAC parent, and we let the kid drive the entire process. Kid is genuinely uninterested in either of our alma maters and genuinely uninterested in all but one Ivy for its nearly unique program/major.

I suspect that the HYP-or-bust families at this same school WOULD tell you it's unfair, hopeless, rigged, shitty etc etc. I know some of these parents pretty well, and they are unpleasant AF and their kids are anxiety-ridden messes (albeit, with amazing curated ECs and top grades.)

Our family views the same situation very differently than these ppl at big3. We both may be right because we have different goals.

Let me guess, you are full pay and plan on being back up for pulling strings for job placement and/ or will fund Law school ?

Your perspective might be seen as smug to parents who just have a bright kid, but no connections and no trust fund

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Back to the original question: Yes!
And double yes for all highly selective colleges.
Counselors steer kids away from each other without telling.
Kids are afraid to speak about where they are applying, even to their closest friends.
The schools pretend it is all hunky-dory and it is not.

I dunno. I guess we'll know for sure in April if not before, but this big3 parent thinks the process has been pleasant so far. DC is the spawn of one T5 parent and one SLAC parent, and we let the kid drive the entire process. Kid is genuinely uninterested in either of our alma maters and genuinely uninterested in all but one Ivy for its nearly unique program/major.

I suspect that the HYP-or-bust families at this same school WOULD tell you it's unfair, hopeless, rigged, shitty etc etc. I know some of these parents pretty well, and they are unpleasant AF and their kids are anxiety-ridden messes (albeit, with amazing curated ECs and top grades.)

Our family views the same situation very differently than these ppl at big3. We both may be right because we have different goals.

Yes. You speak the truth and I’m sure some of those unpleasant families will complain bc that’s what they always do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Back to the original question: Yes!
And double yes for all highly selective colleges.
Counselors steer kids away from each other without telling.
Kids are afraid to speak about where they are applying, even to their closest friends.
The schools pretend it is all hunky-dory and it is not.

I dunno. I guess we'll know for sure in April if not before, but this big3 parent thinks the process has been pleasant so far. DC is the spawn of one T5 parent and one SLAC parent, and we let the kid drive the entire process. Kid is genuinely uninterested in either of our alma maters and genuinely uninterested in all but one Ivy for its nearly unique program/major.

I suspect that the HYP-or-bust families at this same school WOULD tell you it's unfair, hopeless, rigged, shitty etc etc. I know some of these parents pretty well, and they are unpleasant AF and their kids are anxiety-ridden messes (albeit, with amazing curated ECs and top grades.)

Our family views the same situation very differently than these ppl at big3. We both may be right because we have different goals.

Let me guess, you are full pay and plan on being back up for pulling strings for job placement and/ or will fund Law school ?

Your perspective might be seen as smug to parents who just have a bright kid, but no connections and no trust fund

You say smug, I say chill. Also I think it's possible you're projecting here?

You should probably go refine your essays now, child.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Back to the original question: Yes!
And double yes for all highly selective colleges.
Counselors steer kids away from each other without telling.
Kids are afraid to speak about where they are applying, even to their closest friends.
The schools pretend it is all hunky-dory and it is not.

Sounds like our public school

Aren't public schools too large to be able to do this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Back to the original question: Yes!
And double yes for all highly selective colleges.
Counselors steer kids away from each other without telling.
Kids are afraid to speak about where they are applying, even to their closest friends.
The schools pretend it is all hunky-dory and it is not.

Sounds like our public school

Aren't public schools too large to be able to do this?

Not really. Even at a school like Whitman there is a smaller group that would only be competive for selective college admissions and within that group is where these same dynamics play out. Because half the college bound kids at Whitman will go to Maryland, just like everywhere else.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Back to the original question: Yes!
And double yes for all highly selective colleges.
Counselors steer kids away from each other without telling.
Kids are afraid to speak about where they are applying, even to their closest friends.
The schools pretend it is all hunky-dory and it is not.

This hasn't been our experience with more than one who has gone through the process, so have a sense of how many kids applied to the same schools for ED.

Double digits each to Penn, Yale, Harvard, Northwestern, Brown, Chicago, with 5+ to places like Cornell, NYU and 2-4 at places like Haverford/Swarthmore/Amherst/Williams That is like 70-80% of the classes. That isn't steering away. Steering away is what the NE Boarding schools do, where the vet the kids and won't even send a transcript to an ED unless it is approved by the CCO. In other words, what I have seen is the CCO at our "big3" basically supporting whatever choices the kids want to make, regardless of how little their chances might be.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Back to the original question: Yes!
And double yes for all highly selective colleges.
Counselors steer kids away from each other without telling.
Kids are afraid to speak about where they are applying, even to their closest friends.
The schools pretend it is all hunky-dory and it is not.

This hasn't been our experience with more than one who has gone through the process, so have a sense of how many kids applied to the same schools for ED.

Double digits each to Penn, Yale, Harvard, Northwestern, Brown, Chicago, with 5+ to places like Cornell, NYU and 2-4 at places like Haverford/Swarthmore/Amherst/Williams That is like 70-80% of the classes. That isn't steering away. Steering away is what the NE Boarding schools do, where the vet the kids and won't even send a transcript to an ED unless it is approved by the CCO. In other words, what I have seen is the CCO at our "big3" basically supporting whatever choices the kids want to make, regardless of how little their chances might be.

So, you've read their Recs then ?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Back to the original question: Yes!
And double yes for all highly selective colleges.
Counselors steer kids away from each other without telling.
Kids are afraid to speak about where they are applying, even to their closest friends.
The schools pretend it is all hunky-dory and it is not.

I dunno. I guess we'll know for sure in April if not before, but this big3 parent thinks the process has been pleasant so far. DC is the spawn of one T5 parent and one SLAC parent, and we let the kid drive the entire process. Kid is genuinely uninterested in either of our alma maters and genuinely uninterested in all but one Ivy for its nearly unique program/major.

I suspect that the HYP-or-bust families at this same school WOULD tell you it's unfair, hopeless, rigged, shitty etc etc. I know some of these parents pretty well, and they are unpleasant AF and their kids are anxiety-ridden messes (albeit, with amazing curated ECs and top grades.)

Our family views the same situation very differently than these ppl at big3. We both may be right because we have different goals.

Let me guess, you are full pay and plan on being back up for pulling strings for job placement and/ or will fund Law school ?

Your perspective might be seen as smug to parents who just have a bright kid, but no connections and no trust fund

You say smug, I say chill. Also I think it's possible you're projecting here?

You should probably go refine your essays now, child.

Seems like the PP tagged you on the nose.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Back to the original question: Yes!
And double yes for all highly selective colleges.
Counselors steer kids away from each other without telling.
Kids are afraid to speak about where they are applying, even to their closest friends.
The schools pretend it is all hunky-dory and it is not.

This hasn't been our experience with more than one who has gone through the process, so have a sense of how many kids applied to the same schools for ED.

Double digits each to Penn, Yale, Harvard, Northwestern, Brown, Chicago, with 5+ to places like Cornell, NYU and 2-4 at places like Haverford/Swarthmore/Amherst/Williams That is like 70-80% of the classes. That isn't steering away. Steering away is what the NE Boarding schools do, where the vet the kids and won't even send a transcript to an ED unless it is approved by the CCO. In other words, what I have seen is the CCO at our "big3" basically supporting whatever choices the kids want to make, regardless of how little their chances might be.

Your belief is that these schools are effectively lying to kids? I don’t believe it.

We know from the SFS litigation that they provide each school that a student applies to with what is called a “ Secondary School Report”. That report effectively ranks each of the applicants from SFS to that school.

If they I are outwardly supporting each student to apply to every school they want while not telling them, at least generally, that their ranking about students within that school for admission are even low then they would be putting themselves in continued risk for more lawsuits because it would be unethical.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Back to the original question: Yes!
And double yes for all highly selective colleges.
Counselors steer kids away from each other without telling.
Kids are afraid to speak about where they are applying, even to their closest friends.
The schools pretend it is all hunky-dory and it is not.

This hasn't been our experience with more than one who has gone through the process, so have a sense of how many kids applied to the same schools for ED.

Double digits each to Penn, Yale, Harvard, Northwestern, Brown, Chicago, with 5+ to places like Cornell, NYU and 2-4 at places like Haverford/Swarthmore/Amherst/Williams That is like 70-80% of the classes. That isn't steering away. Steering away is what the NE Boarding schools do, where the vet the kids and won't even send a transcript to an ED unless it is approved by the CCO. In other words, what I have seen is the CCO at our "big3" basically supporting whatever choices the kids want to make, regardless of how little their chances might be.

So, you've read their Recs then ?

Of course not. Just being realistic. An Ivy League schools is not going to accept 15 kids from one high school ED.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Back to the original question: Yes!
And double yes for all highly selective colleges.
Counselors steer kids away from each other without telling.
Kids are afraid to speak about where they are applying, even to their closest friends.
The schools pretend it is all hunky-dory and it is not.

This hasn't been our experience with more than one who has gone through the process, so have a sense of how many kids applied to the same schools for ED.

Double digits each to Penn, Yale, Harvard, Northwestern, Brown, Chicago, with 5+ to places like Cornell, NYU and 2-4 at places like Haverford/Swarthmore/Amherst/Williams That is like 70-80% of the classes. That isn't steering away. Steering away is what the NE Boarding schools do, where the vet the kids and won't even send a transcript to an ED unless it is approved by the CCO. In other words, what I have seen is the CCO at our "big3" basically supporting whatever choices the kids want to make, regardless of how little their chances might be.

Your belief is that these schools are effectively lying to kids? I don’t believe it.

We know from the SFS litigation that they provide each school that a student applies to with what is called a “ Secondary School Report”. That report effectively ranks each of the applicants from SFS to that school.

If they I are outwardly supporting each student to apply to every school they want while not telling them, at least generally, that their ranking about students within that school for admission are even low then they would be putting themselves in continued risk for more lawsuits because it would be unethical.

If you listen to your counselor, they will tell you that the application is going to be a long reach or to consider other options. Yet some kids, or more likely, their parents, believe that their kid will be the one to buck the odds and get into DreamU early.

It just isn't the case anymore than a 3.7+ 1530+ kid from a school like Sidwell is a shoe-in for a tippy top reach school. Times have changed and parents and students have to be more realistic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Back to the original question: Yes!
And double yes for all highly selective colleges.
Counselors steer kids away from each other without telling.
Kids are afraid to speak about where they are applying, even to their closest friends.
The schools pretend it is all hunky-dory and it is not.

This hasn't been our experience with more than one who has gone through the process, so have a sense of how many kids applied to the same schools for ED.

Double digits each to Penn, Yale, Harvard, Northwestern, Brown, Chicago, with 5+ to places like Cornell, NYU and 2-4 at places like Haverford/Swarthmore/Amherst/Williams That is like 70-80% of the classes. That isn't steering away. Steering away is what the NE Boarding schools do, where the vet the kids and won't even send a transcript to an ED unless it is approved by the CCO. In other words, what I have seen is the CCO at our "big3" basically supporting whatever choices the kids want to make, regardless of how little their chances might be.

Your belief is that these schools are effectively lying to kids? I don’t believe it.

We know from the SFS litigation that they provide each school that a student applies to with what is called a “ Secondary School Report”. That report effectively ranks each of the applicants from SFS to that school.

If they I are outwardly supporting each student to apply to every school they want while not telling them, at least generally, that their ranking about students within that school for admission are even low then they would be putting themselves in continued risk for more lawsuits because it would be unethical.

If you listen to your counselor, they will tell you that the application is going to be a long reach or to consider other options. Yet some kids, or more likely, their parents, believe that their kid will be the one to buck the odds and get into DreamU early.

It just isn't the case anymore than a 3.7+ 1530+ kid from a school like Sidwell is a shoe-in for a tippy top reach school. Times have changed and parents and students have to be more realistic.

Yes but the colleges are feeling the loss of more polished students that are not just book smart. It takes more than being a good student to be successful in many fields and these colleges are admitting a fair amount of good students who are missing other important characteristics. Being polished and well spoken go a long way in any field. Being able to ace the SAT does not mean I am giving you my inheritance to manage or that you bring the personality to have multiple business meetings. The schools that don’t realize this will be impacted negatively.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Back to the original question: Yes!
And double yes for all highly selective colleges.
Counselors steer kids away from each other without telling.
Kids are afraid to speak about where they are applying, even to their closest friends.
The schools pretend it is all hunky-dory and it is not.

This hasn't been our experience with more than one who has gone through the process, so have a sense of how many kids applied to the same schools for ED.

Double digits each to Penn, Yale, Harvard, Northwestern, Brown, Chicago, with 5+ to places like Cornell, NYU and 2-4 at places like Haverford/Swarthmore/Amherst/Williams That is like 70-80% of the classes. That isn't steering away. Steering away is what the NE Boarding schools do, where the vet the kids and won't even send a transcript to an ED unless it is approved by the CCO. In other words, what I have seen is the CCO at our "big3" basically supporting whatever choices the kids want to make, regardless of how little their chances might be.

Your belief is that these schools are effectively lying to kids? I don’t believe it.

We know from the SFS litigation that they provide each school that a student applies to with what is called a “ Secondary School Report”. That report effectively ranks each of the applicants from SFS to that school.

If they I are outwardly supporting each student to apply to every school they want while not telling them, at least generally, that their ranking about students within that school for admission are even low then they would be putting themselves in continued risk for more lawsuits because it would be unethical.

If you listen to your counselor, they will tell you that the application is going to be a long reach or to consider other options. Yet some kids, or more likely, their parents, believe that their kid will be the one to buck the odds and get into DreamU early.

It just isn't the case anymore than a 3.7+ 1530+ kid from a school like Sidwell is a shoe-in for a tippy top reach school. Times have changed and parents and students have to be more realistic.

Yes but the colleges are feeling the loss of more polished students that are not just book smart. It takes more than being a good student to be successful in many fields and these colleges are admitting a fair amount of good students who are missing other important characteristics. Being polished and well spoken go a long way in any field. Being able to ace the SAT does not mean I am giving you my inheritance to manage or that you bring the personality to have multiple business meetings. The schools that don’t realize this will be impacted negatively.

Because all public school kids with high sat scores are unpolished social misfits. Got it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Back to the original question: Yes!
And double yes for all highly selective colleges.
Counselors steer kids away from each other without telling.
Kids are afraid to speak about where they are applying, even to their closest friends.
The schools pretend it is all hunky-dory and it is not.

This hasn't been our experience with more than one who has gone through the process, so have a sense of how many kids applied to the same schools for ED.

Double digits each to Penn, Yale, Harvard, Northwestern, Brown, Chicago, with 5+ to places like Cornell, NYU and 2-4 at places like Haverford/Swarthmore/Amherst/Williams That is like 70-80% of the classes. That isn't steering away. Steering away is what the NE Boarding schools do, where the vet the kids and won't even send a transcript to an ED unless it is approved by the CCO. In other words, what I have seen is the CCO at our "big3" basically supporting whatever choices the kids want to make, regardless of how little their chances might be.

Your belief is that these schools are effectively lying to kids? I don’t believe it.

We know from the SFS litigation that they provide each school that a student applies to with what is called a “ Secondary School Report”. That report effectively ranks each of the applicants from SFS to that school.

If they I are outwardly supporting each student to apply to every school they want while not telling them, at least generally, that their ranking about students within that school for admission are even low then they would be putting themselves in continued risk for more lawsuits because it would be unethical.

If you listen to your counselor, they will tell you that the application is going to be a long reach or to consider other options. Yet some kids, or more likely, their parents, believe that their kid will be the one to buck the odds and get into DreamU early.

It just isn't the case anymore than a 3.7+ 1530+ kid from a school like Sidwell is a shoe-in for a tippy top reach school. Times have changed and parents and students have to be more realistic.

Yes but the colleges are feeling the loss of more polished students that are not just book smart. It takes more than being a good student to be successful in many fields and these colleges are admitting a fair amount of good students who are missing other important characteristics. Being polished and well spoken go a long way in any field. Being able to ace the SAT does not mean I am giving you my inheritance to manage or that you bring the personality to have multiple business meetings. The schools that don’t realize this will be impacted negatively.

Because all public school kids with high sat scores are unpolished social misfits. Got it.

Nobody said that. PP just said that there’s more to acceptance than high scores and grades from a private.