BREAKING: Northwestern University (Evanston, Ill.) gets a $480 million gift from the Ryan Family

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This is bizarre. Can you, off the top of your head, name anyone who graduated from Princeton in the past 20 years?

The red haired gal from The Office, Ellie Kemper, graduated from Princeton. But Princeton's bonafides aren't up for debate.

Northwestern boosters are the ones who like to use these fake rankings to claim it's dancing with Ivies when it's not. Not even close. The average person has never heard of Northwestern, assumes it's the university in Boston, or would guess it's some state school in the Pacific Northwest.

I personally recognize it's a good school but this idea kids grow up clamoring to go there or it is in any way comparable to Princeton or even Cornell and Brown is laughable. The bottom quartile of Northwestern is deeply unimpressive. State school esque.

I turned down Cornell to go to NU (engineering). No regrets.

I know a kid who turned down MIT for Northwestern, and he loves it. Shrugs. Different strokes for different blokes.

[Anonymous]

https://dailynorthwestern.com/2008/04/16/archive-manual/is-nu-a-safety-school/

From Northwestern's campus newspaper: "Is NU a Safety School?" April 16, 2008

While nearly seven out of 10 freshmen across the nation are still at their top pick according to the survey, that may not be true here. “For the kids applying to Northwestern, I’m sure that statistic is lower,” says Michael Mills, associate provost for undergraduate admission. “We’re still more of a safety school for certain types of kids, the nation’s best high school kids.”

When Mills took his post in the admissions office three years ago, he wanted to know “exactly who our competition was.” He looked at data from the National Student Clearinghouse that tracks where individuals enroll and found that students were regularly turning down NU for Duke and UPenn.

Then, Mills set about making NU harder to get into. “That’s the one yard stick (that is used) more than any other to gauge how good a school is,” he says. “The higher your acceptance rate, the more difficult it is to persuade a really top students and her parents that this is the school for them.” To attract more applicants, the school has been trying to increase name recognition and reaching out to high school guidance counselors by bringing them to campus.

As far as acceptance rates go, it is hard to pin down what tier NU is on. On the list of America’s Best Colleges published annually by U.S. News & World Report, it has dropped farther from the top ten in recent years, bobbing with some of the Ivies, this year tying with Brown and Johns Hopkins in 14th place. “The biggest problem Northwestern has is the same problem that the other top Midwestern schools have, and that is location,” says Johnson, who says he still considers NU to be top-tier. “Kids won’t consider the Midwest.”

Some damning words coming from NU's director of undergraduate admissions himself.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, 15 pages in and there's clearly a LOT of salt in this thread for untold reasons.

Basically how this thread has gone:

User A: "Look at this huge donation Northwestern got."

User B: "But how is Northwestern better than schools X, Y, and Z? No one cares about this school. Has it ever even produced a single distinguished alum? And don't you dare even put it on the same level as HYPSM."

The rest of us: ??????????

And repeat!

Classic trope of the hypsm prestige defense squad. They really can’t think of anything better to do with their lives than to put down other schools on DCUM, whenever an opportunity arises. But it’s cringeworthy to see some of the Princeton and Stanford boosters getting salty in another thread on T14 law school admissions when OP said only Harvard and Yale have the smartest students and after that, there’s a huge drop-off in quality. LOL

These people lack imagination. I met this guy who was a brilliant engineer. He just thought on a different level from anyone else. His undergrad? University of Alabama.

Getting into HYSP has a lot to do with your privileges and ability as a teenager. It fundamentally ignores the fact that you're not even done growing for most of that time. It also has a lot to do with your parents' ability to pay for the extras and the asses and all that. A kid who is working a job to support her family may not have time for science fair or SAT prep class. Writing her off is a mistake.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://dailynorthwestern.com/2008/04/16/archive-manual/is-nu-a-safety-school/

From Northwestern's campus newspaper: "Is NU a Safety School?" April 16, 2008

While nearly seven out of 10 freshmen across the nation are still at their top pick according to the survey, that may not be true here. “For the kids applying to Northwestern, I’m sure that statistic is lower,” says Michael Mills, associate provost for undergraduate admission. “We’re still more of a safety school for certain types of kids, the nation’s best high school kids.”

When Mills took his post in the admissions office three years ago, he wanted to know “exactly who our competition was.” He looked at data from the National Student Clearinghouse that tracks where individuals enroll and found that students were regularly turning down NU for Duke and UPenn.

Then, Mills set about making NU harder to get into. “That’s the one yard stick (that is used) more than any other to gauge how good a school is,” he says. “The higher your acceptance rate, the more difficult it is to persuade a really top students and her parents that this is the school for them.” To attract more applicants, the school has been trying to increase name recognition and reaching out to high school guidance counselors by bringing them to campus.

As far as acceptance rates go, it is hard to pin down what tier NU is on. On the list of America’s Best Colleges published annually by U.S. News & World Report, it has dropped farther from the top ten in recent years, bobbing with some of the Ivies, this year tying with Brown and Johns Hopkins in 14th place. “The biggest problem Northwestern has is the same problem that the other top Midwestern schools have, and that is location,” says Johnson, who says he still considers NU to be top-tier. “Kids won’t consider the Midwest.”

Some damning words coming from NU's director of undergraduate admissions himself.

Is the best you can do an article from over 13 years ago? Don't you think it's a little weird and obsessive on your part to be hunting for these kinds of articles in the first place, and then posting it on a thread that has nothing to do with that?

Things change. And that's okay! Back when Chicago was at its heyday up 'til the late '80s, early '90s, Northwestern was considered a solid school, with a reputation for being a destination for wealthy kids, and I recall it being ranked in or around the top ten. Then it seems to have gone into a bit of a "decline" (if you can even call going from top 10 to, what, ranked #14, as this article says, a decline). Now it appears to have an upward momentum. No one is claiming it's the best school in the world, and it's strange that you keep trying to turn this thread into a discussion about that. It's always been a decent school, even a great school for many who attend, but if you really don't like it that much, just don't send your kid there. It's as easy as that.

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Anonymous wrote:https://dailynorthwestern.com/2008/04/16/archive-manual/is-nu-a-safety-school/

From Northwestern's campus newspaper: "Is NU a Safety School?" April 16, 2008

While nearly seven out of 10 freshmen across the nation are still at their top pick according to the survey, that may not be true here. “For the kids applying to Northwestern, I’m sure that statistic is lower,” says Michael Mills, associate provost for undergraduate admission. “We’re still more of a safety school for certain types of kids, the nation’s best high school kids.”

When Mills took his post in the admissions office three years ago, he wanted to know “exactly who our competition was.” He looked at data from the National Student Clearinghouse that tracks where individuals enroll and found that students were regularly turning down NU for Duke and UPenn.

Then, Mills set about making NU harder to get into. “That’s the one yard stick (that is used) more than any other to gauge how good a school is,” he says. “The higher your acceptance rate, the more difficult it is to persuade a really top students and her parents that this is the school for them.” To attract more applicants, the school has been trying to increase name recognition and reaching out to high school guidance counselors by bringing them to campus.

As far as acceptance rates go, it is hard to pin down what tier NU is on. On the list of America’s Best Colleges published annually by U.S. News & World Report, it has dropped farther from the top ten in recent years, bobbing with some of the Ivies, this year tying with Brown and Johns Hopkins in 14th place. “The biggest problem Northwestern has is the same problem that the other top Midwestern schools have, and that is location,” says Johnson, who says he still considers NU to be top-tier. “Kids won’t consider the Midwest.”

Some damning words coming from NU's director of undergraduate admissions himself.

The Midwest has some of the best (and most beautiful) colleges and universities in the country, with some of the best college experiences available. What an asinine, self-hating statement.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://dailynorthwestern.com/2008/04/16/archive-manual/is-nu-a-safety-school/

From Northwestern's campus newspaper: "Is NU a Safety School?" April 16, 2008

While nearly seven out of 10 freshmen across the nation are still at their top pick according to the survey, that may not be true here. “For the kids applying to Northwestern, I’m sure that statistic is lower,” says Michael Mills, associate provost for undergraduate admission. “We’re still more of a safety school for certain types of kids, the nation’s best high school kids.”

When Mills took his post in the admissions office three years ago, he wanted to know “exactly who our competition was.” He looked at data from the National Student Clearinghouse that tracks where individuals enroll and found that students were regularly turning down NU for Duke and UPenn.

Then, Mills set about making NU harder to get into. “That’s the one yard stick (that is used) more than any other to gauge how good a school is,” he says. “The higher your acceptance rate, the more difficult it is to persuade a really top students and her parents that this is the school for them.” To attract more applicants, the school has been trying to increase name recognition and reaching out to high school guidance counselors by bringing them to campus.

As far as acceptance rates go, it is hard to pin down what tier NU is on. On the list of America’s Best Colleges published annually by U.S. News & World Report, it has dropped farther from the top ten in recent years, bobbing with some of the Ivies, this year tying with Brown and Johns Hopkins in 14th place. “The biggest problem Northwestern has is the same problem that the other top Midwestern schools have, and that is location,” says Johnson, who says he still considers NU to be top-tier. “Kids won’t consider the Midwest.”

Some damning words coming from NU's director of undergraduate admissions himself.

The Midwest has some of the best (and most beautiful) colleges and universities in the country, with some of the best college experiences available. What an asinine, self-hating statement.

Frankly, the confessions are quite incriminating, especially from someone high-up in charge of admissions...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://dailynorthwestern.com/2008/04/16/archive-manual/is-nu-a-safety-school/

From Northwestern's campus newspaper: "Is NU a Safety School?" April 16, 2008

While nearly seven out of 10 freshmen across the nation are still at their top pick according to the survey, that may not be true here. “For the kids applying to Northwestern, I’m sure that statistic is lower,” says Michael Mills, associate provost for undergraduate admission. “We’re still more of a safety school for certain types of kids, the nation’s best high school kids.”

When Mills took his post in the admissions office three years ago, he wanted to know “exactly who our competition was.” He looked at data from the National Student Clearinghouse that tracks where individuals enroll and found that students were regularly turning down NU for Duke and UPenn.

Then, Mills set about making NU harder to get into. “That’s the one yard stick (that is used) more than any other to gauge how good a school is,” he says. “The higher your acceptance rate, the more difficult it is to persuade a really top students and her parents that this is the school for them.” To attract more applicants, the school has been trying to increase name recognition and reaching out to high school guidance counselors by bringing them to campus.

As far as acceptance rates go, it is hard to pin down what tier NU is on. On the list of America’s Best Colleges published annually by U.S. News & World Report, it has dropped farther from the top ten in recent years, bobbing with some of the Ivies, this year tying with Brown and Johns Hopkins in 14th place. “The biggest problem Northwestern has is the same problem that the other top Midwestern schools have, and that is location,” says Johnson, who says he still considers NU to be top-tier. “Kids won’t consider the Midwest.”

Some damning words coming from NU's director of undergraduate admissions himself.

The Midwest has some of the best (and most beautiful) colleges and universities in the country, with some of the best college experiences available. What an asinine, self-hating statement.

Frankly, the confessions are quite incriminating, especially from someone high-up in charge of admissions...

From 13 years ago?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://dailynorthwestern.com/2008/04/16/archive-manual/is-nu-a-safety-school/

From Northwestern's campus newspaper: "Is NU a Safety School?" April 16, 2008

While nearly seven out of 10 freshmen across the nation are still at their top pick according to the survey, that may not be true here. “For the kids applying to Northwestern, I’m sure that statistic is lower,” says Michael Mills, associate provost for undergraduate admission. “We’re still more of a safety school for certain types of kids, the nation’s best high school kids.”

When Mills took his post in the admissions office three years ago, he wanted to know “exactly who our competition was.” He looked at data from the National Student Clearinghouse that tracks where individuals enroll and found that students were regularly turning down NU for Duke and UPenn.

Then, Mills set about making NU harder to get into. “That’s the one yard stick (that is used) more than any other to gauge how good a school is,” he says. “The higher your acceptance rate, the more difficult it is to persuade a really top students and her parents that this is the school for them.” To attract more applicants, the school has been trying to increase name recognition and reaching out to high school guidance counselors by bringing them to campus.

As far as acceptance rates go, it is hard to pin down what tier NU is on. On the list of America’s Best Colleges published annually by U.S. News & World Report, it has dropped farther from the top ten in recent years, bobbing with some of the Ivies, this year tying with Brown and Johns Hopkins in 14th place. “The biggest problem Northwestern has is the same problem that the other top Midwestern schools have, and that is location,” says Johnson, who says he still considers NU to be top-tier. “Kids won’t consider the Midwest.”

Some damning words coming from NU's director of undergraduate admissions himself.

The Midwest has some of the best (and most beautiful) colleges and universities in the country, with some of the best college experiences available. What an asinine, self-hating statement.

While true, most of these rich instagram prep school kids tend to PREFER to want to be on the coasts. Where they can take a quick train or flight to see other friends at other campuses or pop into NYC or LA for a weekend. Whatever. Midwest is super isolating if you're not from there. And again, Northwestern is not in Chicago. And same for UChicago, while it's technically in Chicago proper, it's like 20 plus minutes from downtown.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://dailynorthwestern.com/2008/04/16/archive-manual/is-nu-a-safety-school/

From Northwestern's campus newspaper: "Is NU a Safety School?" April 16, 2008

While nearly seven out of 10 freshmen across the nation are still at their top pick according to the survey, that may not be true here. “For the kids applying to Northwestern, I’m sure that statistic is lower,” says Michael Mills, associate provost for undergraduate admission. “We’re still more of a safety school for certain types of kids, the nation’s best high school kids.”

When Mills took his post in the admissions office three years ago, he wanted to know “exactly who our competition was.” He looked at data from the National Student Clearinghouse that tracks where individuals enroll and found that students were regularly turning down NU for Duke and UPenn.

Then, Mills set about making NU harder to get into. “That’s the one yard stick (that is used) more than any other to gauge how good a school is,” he says. “The higher your acceptance rate, the more difficult it is to persuade a really top students and her parents that this is the school for them.” To attract more applicants, the school has been trying to increase name recognition and reaching out to high school guidance counselors by bringing them to campus.

As far as acceptance rates go, it is hard to pin down what tier NU is on. On the list of America’s Best Colleges published annually by U.S. News & World Report, it has dropped farther from the top ten in recent years, bobbing with some of the Ivies, this year tying with Brown and Johns Hopkins in 14th place. “The biggest problem Northwestern has is the same problem that the other top Midwestern schools have, and that is location,” says Johnson, who says he still considers NU to be top-tier. “Kids won’t consider the Midwest.”

Some damning words coming from NU's director of undergraduate admissions himself.

The Midwest has some of the best (and most beautiful) colleges and universities in the country, with some of the best college experiences available. What an asinine, self-hating statement.

While true, most of these rich instagram prep school kids tend to PREFER to want to be on the coasts. Where they can take a quick train or flight to see other friends at other campuses or pop into NYC or LA for a weekend. Whatever. Midwest is super isolating if you're not from there. And again, Northwestern is not in Chicago. And same for UChicago, while it's technically in Chicago proper, it's like 20 plus minutes from downtown.

The Midwest is “super isolating” for college students? Weird comment.

[Anonymous]

The fact that douchebag rich entitled kids and families from the east coast look down on midwest schools is what makes them such a refreshing, grounded and pleasant place to go to college.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://dailynorthwestern.com/2008/04/16/archive-manual/is-nu-a-safety-school/

From Northwestern's campus newspaper: "Is NU a Safety School?" April 16, 2008

While nearly seven out of 10 freshmen across the nation are still at their top pick according to the survey, that may not be true here. “For the kids applying to Northwestern, I’m sure that statistic is lower,” says Michael Mills, associate provost for undergraduate admission. “We’re still more of a safety school for certain types of kids, the nation’s best high school kids.”

When Mills took his post in the admissions office three years ago, he wanted to know “exactly who our competition was.” He looked at data from the National Student Clearinghouse that tracks where individuals enroll and found that students were regularly turning down NU for Duke and UPenn.

Then, Mills set about making NU harder to get into. “That’s the one yard stick (that is used) more than any other to gauge how good a school is,” he says. “The higher your acceptance rate, the more difficult it is to persuade a really top students and her parents that this is the school for them.” To attract more applicants, the school has been trying to increase name recognition and reaching out to high school guidance counselors by bringing them to campus.

As far as acceptance rates go, it is hard to pin down what tier NU is on. On the list of America’s Best Colleges published annually by U.S. News & World Report, it has dropped farther from the top ten in recent years, bobbing with some of the Ivies, this year tying with Brown and Johns Hopkins in 14th place. “The biggest problem Northwestern has is the same problem that the other top Midwestern schools have, and that is location,” says Johnson, who says he still considers NU to be top-tier. “Kids won’t consider the Midwest.”

Some damning words coming from NU's director of undergraduate admissions himself.

This article is from 2008. Barely relevant in today's climate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://dailynorthwestern.com/2008/04/16/archive-manual/is-nu-a-safety-school/

From Northwestern's campus newspaper: "Is NU a Safety School?" April 16, 2008

While nearly seven out of 10 freshmen across the nation are still at their top pick according to the survey, that may not be true here. “For the kids applying to Northwestern, I’m sure that statistic is lower,” says Michael Mills, associate provost for undergraduate admission. “We’re still more of a safety school for certain types of kids, the nation’s best high school kids.”

When Mills took his post in the admissions office three years ago, he wanted to know “exactly who our competition was.” He looked at data from the National Student Clearinghouse that tracks where individuals enroll and found that students were regularly turning down NU for Duke and UPenn.

Then, Mills set about making NU harder to get into. “That’s the one yard stick (that is used) more than any other to gauge how good a school is,” he says. “The higher your acceptance rate, the more difficult it is to persuade a really top students and her parents that this is the school for them.” To attract more applicants, the school has been trying to increase name recognition and reaching out to high school guidance counselors by bringing them to campus.

As far as acceptance rates go, it is hard to pin down what tier NU is on. On the list of America’s Best Colleges published annually by U.S. News & World Report, it has dropped farther from the top ten in recent years, bobbing with some of the Ivies, this year tying with Brown and Johns Hopkins in 14th place. “The biggest problem Northwestern has is the same problem that the other top Midwestern schools have, and that is location,” says Johnson, who says he still considers NU to be top-tier. “Kids won’t consider the Midwest.”

Some damning words coming from NU's director of undergraduate admissions himself.

The Midwest has some of the best (and most beautiful) colleges and universities in the country, with some of the best college experiences available. What an asinine, self-hating statement.

While true, most of these rich instagram prep school kids tend to PREFER to want to be on the coasts. Where they can take a quick train or flight to see other friends at other campuses or pop into NYC or LA for a weekend. Whatever. Midwest is super isolating if you're not from there. And again, Northwestern is not in Chicago. And same for UChicago, while it's technically in Chicago proper, it's like 20 plus minutes from downtown.

Students in the greater Chicago area will think nothing of hopping Madison, Ann Arbor, C-U, South Bend or West Lafayette to see friends, and vice versa. It really isn't that big a deal and happens all the time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The fact that douchebag rich entitled kids and families from the east coast look down on midwest schools is what makes them such a refreshing, grounded and pleasant place to go to college.

+100

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://dailynorthwestern.com/2008/04/16/archive-manual/is-nu-a-safety-school/

From Northwestern's campus newspaper: "Is NU a Safety School?" April 16, 2008

While nearly seven out of 10 freshmen across the nation are still at their top pick according to the survey, that may not be true here. “For the kids applying to Northwestern, I’m sure that statistic is lower,” says Michael Mills, associate provost for undergraduate admission. “We’re still more of a safety school for certain types of kids, the nation’s best high school kids.”

When Mills took his post in the admissions office three years ago, he wanted to know “exactly who our competition was.” He looked at data from the National Student Clearinghouse that tracks where individuals enroll and found that students were regularly turning down NU for Duke and UPenn.

Then, Mills set about making NU harder to get into. “That’s the one yard stick (that is used) more than any other to gauge how good a school is,” he says. “The higher your acceptance rate, the more difficult it is to persuade a really top students and her parents that this is the school for them.” To attract more applicants, the school has been trying to increase name recognition and reaching out to high school guidance counselors by bringing them to campus.

As far as acceptance rates go, it is hard to pin down what tier NU is on. On the list of America’s Best Colleges published annually by U.S. News & World Report, it has dropped farther from the top ten in recent years, bobbing with some of the Ivies, this year tying with Brown and Johns Hopkins in 14th place. “The biggest problem Northwestern has is the same problem that the other top Midwestern schools have, and that is location,” says Johnson, who says he still considers NU to be top-tier. “Kids won’t consider the Midwest.”

Some damning words coming from NU's director of undergraduate admissions himself.

This article is from 2008. Barely relevant in today's climate.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The fact that douchebag rich entitled kids and families from the east coast look down on midwest schools is what makes them such a refreshing, grounded and pleasant place to go to college.

+100

Spoken like someone who's never met any Northwestern kids. Half the college is obnoxious "douchebag rich entitled kids and families from the east coast look down on midwest schools" who were rejected from all the west and east coast colleges in the top 25. They have a huge inferiority complex and chip on their shoulder, which they masquerade with arrogance and call Midwest peers things like "peasant".