What happened to this California family?

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No matter what happened may they all rest in peace and free from pain.

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Anonymous wrote:Can’t read this whole thread but does anyone know if the sheriff’s office has ruled out homicide/suicide? Like, on purpose poisoning? Heat stroke makes some sense, as does the toxic algae, but sadly, despite how attractive this family looked, statistically it’s usually the dad.

It’s not clear. In a previous article, the sheriffs office said that murder was “not high on their list”, but I interpreted that to mean from an attacker on the trail. Others on this board have said that they think it would mean any kind of murder (including something like family annihilation).

The biggest confusing factor to me is apparently no one hikes this trail in the summer. And there were much nicer places they could have gone. It’s just hard to understand why they chose to do this hike at all. It seems unavoidable that they would have known there would be no other people on the trail.

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Anonymous wrote:Can’t read this whole thread but does anyone know if the sheriff’s office has ruled out homicide/suicide? Like, on purpose poisoning? Heat stroke makes some sense, as does the toxic algae, but sadly, despite how attractive this family looked, statistically it’s usually the dad.

It’s not clear. In a previous article, the sheriffs office said that murder was “not high on their list”, but I interpreted that to mean from an attacker on the trail. Others on this board have said that they think it would mean any kind of murder (including something like family annihilation).

The biggest confusing factor to me is apparently no one hikes this trail in the summer. And there were much nicer places they could have gone. It’s just hard to understand why they chose to do this hike at all. It seems unavoidable that they would have known there would be no other people on the trail.

The sheriff must have meant no attackers on the trail, so no ax murderers. He couldn’t have ruled out family annihilation without the toxicology results which still haven’t come in.

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Why are the toxicology reports taking so long to come in?

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Trying to figure out who gave the poison to who. Was it him was it her was it the dog? I’m still going with foul play.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know why people on this forum are such black and white thinkers. Hiking with toddlers, even in the summer, is fine. But I am from the desert and no one would take a toddler and a dog on an 8 mile hike in temperatures over 90. Desert dwellers just don’t act that way. You get up at 5 and plan to be done by 10 in the summer. The weirdest part of this is that they did not split up when they got into trouble—send the healthiest fastest adult alone to go get help.

In laws lived in such a climate, and people arranged their lives around avoiding mid-day heat, sun, and the dryness.

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Anonymous wrote:Can’t read this whole thread but does anyone know if the sheriff’s office has ruled out homicide/suicide? Like, on purpose poisoning? Heat stroke makes some sense, as does the toxic algae, but sadly, despite how attractive this family looked, statistically it’s usually the dad.

It’s not clear. In a previous article, the sheriffs office said that murder was “not high on their list”, but I interpreted that to mean from an attacker on the trail. Others on this board have said that they think it would mean any kind of murder (including something like family annihilation).

The biggest confusing factor to me is apparently no one hikes this trail in the summer. And there were much nicer places they could have gone. It’s just hard to understand why they chose to do this hike at all. It seems unavoidable that they would have known there would be no other people on the trail.

The sheriff must have meant no attackers on the trail, so no ax murderers. He couldn’t have ruled out family annihilation without the toxicology results which still haven’t come in.

As others have pointed out, FA is usually perpetrated by men and they rarely use poison. They are the more physically powerful and less concerned about their ability to overpower others so more likely to use physical violence to kill their family members. Women who kill their families don't usually kill their husbands (or if they kill their DH, they don't kill their kids).

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Anonymous wrote:I don't care if they accidentally went on the wrong trail. It was cruel and reckless to take a baby and dog on this trek. Period. They aren't idiots; he's a tech millionaire and she wasn't some dumb foreign babe in the woods, she was born in the U.S. and graduated from Berkeley. So spare me they didn't know how hot it was going to be. You do not take a baby and dog on a 85 or 95 or 110 degree hike. Clearly mentally ill thrill seekers.

Ah yes the superior intellectual prowess given to those >>Booorn in the U-S-A…<<

Agreed. PP is showing her ugliness.

British husband is not “foreign” because he is white, but US born Asian wife needs clarification because she is not white. PP needs to clarify Ellen is not a “dumb foreign born babe”. Husband who is actually foreign born needs no clarification because he’s white. OK.

Many tech bros are idiots (looking at you burning man) and do reckless and dangerous stuff. They also sometimes believe excellence at making apps makes them over confident in all things.

That said, I think PP point was the wife was from California and this should have some experience with the climate.

But taking a baby for a hike in August is just weird in almost any climate.

WTH?

Not a walk a hike. August is crazy brutal heat for most of the country and they have difficulty regulating heat. They also can communicate as well if they feel poorly.

I live in Northern California and we have days in August when it's mid 80s and no humidity.

That’s wonderful and still dangerous to take a baby out for extended period of time when temp is above 80. Let alone 80s, hiking in a carrier, likely often in direct sun.

Walk around the neighborhood? Playground? Shady picnic? Awesome 2+ hours away under constant motion, likely strapped to a hot sweaty adult with long periods for full sun. Even a bad idea at 80. Definitely 80s.

https://www.parents.com/baby/care/newborn/making-baby-comfortable-in-summer-heat/

Their baby had just turned one, barely last infant stage.

We will just have to disagree about this.

DP and I know the PP sounds a bit extreme but babies do overheat much quicker/easier than adults and it’s much more likely for a baby to be affected by heat exhaustion/heat stroke than for an adult.

When our oldest (now 6) was a baby we went to Florida in February and it was in the lower 80s most of the time we were there. We found the weather very pleasant and not at all too hot but our son in the stroller or baby carrier (too young to be mobile on his own yet) was miserable outside for longer than 1/2 hour or so even though we went to great lengths to dress him appropriately and keep him shaded. We weren’t prepared for that and wound up spending a lot of our trip indoors which we hadn’t thought we would.

Maybe some of this is about acclimation? I’m from Florida and yes, people are generally conscientious about babies and heat, but they certainly have babies outside for more than 30 minutes at a time - especially in February!

Sure. But hours and hours under direct sun like in a hike? EVERYTHING in Florida is air conditioned to an extreme degree (you need sweaters in store) and there is no hiking culture to speak of. Sitting by the beach, sure. But most babies will be under shade with a cooler of water and maybe even dips in the ocean.

I’ve seen plenty of babies out at big siblings soccer games or tournaments for hours at a time in the heat. Sometimes with shade, sure - like an umbrella or something.

Do we know if the backpack carrier they were using had a shade for baby? Most do.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there any poison that would evade toxicology results ?

Iocaine powder would be undetectable.

I think I love you.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know why people on this forum are such black and white thinkers. Hiking with toddlers, even in the summer, is fine. But I am from the desert and no one would take a toddler and a dog on an 8 mile hike in temperatures over 90. Desert dwellers just don’t act that way. You get up at 5 and plan to be done by 10 in the summer. The weirdest part of this is that they did not split up when they got into trouble—send the healthiest fastest adult alone to go get help.

In laws lived in such a climate, and people arranged their lives around avoiding mid-day heat, sun, and the dryness.

Only mad dogs and Englishmen go out in the midday sun

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know why people on this forum are such black and white thinkers. Hiking with toddlers, even in the summer, is fine. But I am from the desert and no one would take a toddler and a dog on an 8 mile hike in temperatures over 90. Desert dwellers just don’t act that way. You get up at 5 and plan to be done by 10 in the summer. The weirdest part of this is that they did not split up when they got into trouble—send the healthiest fastest adult alone to go get help.

In laws lived in such a climate, and people arranged their lives around avoiding mid-day heat, sun, and the dryness.

Only mad dogs and Englishmen go out in the midday sun

Best comment of this whole thread.

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Being on DCUM is the opposite of cool

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Anonymous wrote:No matter what happened may they all rest in peace and free from pain.

I love you lol

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Anonymous wrote:No matter what happened may they all rest in peace and free from pain.

I love you lol

Oh no. I meant to respond the Princess Bride poster

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Anonymous wrote:No matter what happened may they all rest in peace and free from pain.

I love you lol

Oh no. I meant to respond the Princess Bride poster

WTF? You can't unlove that person.