VYS Soccer - better or worse?

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09/19/2021 12:06

Subject: Re:VYS Soccer - better or worse?

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Anonymous wrote:Overall, they do a decent job. It's a great place to play competitive soccer. Very serious talent typically goes elsewhere after age 12 or so.

It’s an okay place to get to play travel soccer with kids that live near you and coaches that seem like nice guys. They have a full professional staff model and talk a good game, but the actual coaching and development is poor. The sessions (at least on the younger girls side) are basically babysitting dressed up to look like soccer.

Younger girls teams have been the most successful part of the program.

Probably because the coaching at the youngest girls’ ages had been solely focused on 1v1 training. The coach did not develop the girls properly and because of this they are lacking in soccer iq at the next age group up. And all of this was done to win second and third flights in smaller tournaments.

Curious what team/coach this was, as in 20 years in the area travel scene I have never heard that particular criticism of a vienna team. Typically it is all effort/defending/organization and lumping the ball forward. I don’t think I have even seen a team with a 1v1 or technical focus. Individual players, sure, but those are usually getting it from elsewhere (hop elite) rather than their VYS coach.

I’m a DP, and am happy with Vienna’s girl’s program, but it is true that the girls u-littles focus a ton on 1v1s and technical skills. This is the emphasis under Vincent, who is the ED/TD for girls u-little. I actually think it might be a feature, not a bug.

A good club for development should skew a little toward the individual at ulittles, then transition to team development in the years leading up to 11 v 11. I wouldn’t have a problem with this.

+100. Far too many coaches focus on trying to win games at the Ulittle ages through better organization - and please don't confuse that with soccer IQ which is something much more subtle and which comes much later. And this works - focusing on getting defenders coordinated especially will win games at these ages. But it won't do anything for developing the kids. Well done to this coach.

Total nonsense. These are not mutually exclusive options. You can develop better IQ and decisionmaking within structure and organization, and you can actually develop extraordinarily bad instincts when play with others who don’t know what they are doing with respect to positions and space. Kids are sufficiently smart to learn both. I do agree that soccer IQ is a lifelong progression, and in that sense, is a misnomer.

We didn’t do a lot of individual stuff at younger ages of VYS girls. A lot of players were playing pickup though and touching the ball some outside of practice. A couple of years in and we are in higher tournament brackets now and have had more success as the girls have gotten older. They play a good style of soccer too. I’m not an expert, but I think that means there was not a unhealthy focus on winning at younger age groups.

"Not focusing on winning" is not enough by itself. You have to focus on the kids learning the skills they can learn at that age. I knew a coach once who was "not focused on winning". The problem was that he wasn't focused on anything else either, so his kids never developed at all. Sounds like your coaches were focused on teaching the kids age appropriate skills which is what is important.