VYS Soccer - better or worse?

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Anonymous wrote:Both the boy's and girl's side, unfortunately. No real coaching happening. Its the same rondos and scrimmages with no actionable feedback. I can tell you we've moved clubs and can see the difference very clearly.

Not true in my experience. I've been generally pleased with the coaching of the boys teams in u-little. I can't speak to girls or to the older age groups, however, as I have no experience with them.

[Anonymous]

We left some time ago. The coaching on the boys side was excellent. My son learned how to play properly and his team learned how to play properly. The player pool was limited though teammates were all very good and nice kids.

[Anonymous]

Overall, they do a decent job. It's a great place to play competitive soccer. Very serious talent typically goes elsewhere after age 12 or so.

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Anonymous wrote:Overall, they do a decent job. It's a great place to play competitive soccer. Very serious talent typically goes elsewhere after age 12 or so.

It’s an okay place to get to play travel soccer with kids that live near you and coaches that seem like nice guys. They have a full professional staff model and talk a good game, but the actual coaching and development is poor. The sessions (at least on the younger girls side) are basically babysitting dressed up to look like soccer.

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Anonymous wrote:Overall, they do a decent job. It's a great place to play competitive soccer. Very serious talent typically goes elsewhere after age 12 or so.

It’s an okay place to get to play travel soccer with kids that live near you and coaches that seem like nice guys. They have a full professional staff model and talk a good game, but the actual coaching and development is poor. The sessions (at least on the younger girls side) are basically babysitting dressed up to look like soccer.

I know that every kid wants to be a professional player and every parent wants their kid to get a full ride to a good D1 school, but I try to maintain a little prospective on the likelihood and the value of each of those things. Our reason to stay will always be playing locally and with friends rather than driving all over NOVA in search of the best possible team. As long as VYS (or any other local club for that matter) is good enough, then I believe playing locally provides the best overall experience for kids and families.

We'll always give our DD the choice, but so far her team been successful, coaching is good, and the kids and families have been great. She's happy and we're happy.

[Anonymous]

Man, this Vienna thread....every month the same few pages just repeats itself. Same comments. Same responses. I'm waiting for someone to post that Vienna is a baseball town.

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Anonymous wrote:Overall, they do a decent job. It's a great place to play competitive soccer. Very serious talent typically goes elsewhere after age 12 or so.

It’s an okay place to get to play travel soccer with kids that live near you and coaches that seem like nice guys. They have a full professional staff model and talk a good game, but the actual coaching and development is poor. The sessions (at least on the younger girls side) are basically babysitting dressed up to look like soccer.

Younger girls teams have been the most successful part of the program.

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Anonymous wrote:Overall, they do a decent job. It's a great place to play competitive soccer. Very serious talent typically goes elsewhere after age 12 or so.

It’s an okay place to get to play travel soccer with kids that live near you and coaches that seem like nice guys. They have a full professional staff model and talk a good game, but the actual coaching and development is poor. The sessions (at least on the younger girls side) are basically babysitting dressed up to look like soccer.

Younger girls teams have been the most successful part of the program.

Probably because the coaching at the youngest girls’ ages had been solely focused on 1v1 training. The coach did not develop the girls properly and because of this they are lacking in soccer iq at the next age group up. And all of this was done to win second and third flights in smaller tournaments.

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Anonymous wrote:Overall, they do a decent job. It's a great place to play competitive soccer. Very serious talent typically goes elsewhere after age 12 or so.

It’s an okay place to get to play travel soccer with kids that live near you and coaches that seem like nice guys. They have a full professional staff model and talk a good game, but the actual coaching and development is poor. The sessions (at least on the younger girls side) are basically babysitting dressed up to look like soccer.

Younger girls teams have been the most successful part of the program.

Probably because the coaching at the youngest girls’ ages had been solely focused on 1v1 training. The coach did not develop the girls properly and because of this they are lacking in soccer iq at the next age group up. And all of this was done to win second and third flights in smaller tournaments.

Curious what team/coach this was, as in 20 years in the area travel scene I have never heard that particular criticism of a vienna team. Typically it is all effort/defending/organization and lumping the ball forward. I don’t think I have even seen a team with a 1v1 or technical focus. Individual players, sure, but those are usually getting it from elsewhere (hop elite) rather than their VYS coach.

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Anonymous wrote:Overall, they do a decent job. It's a great place to play competitive soccer. Very serious talent typically goes elsewhere after age 12 or so.

It’s an okay place to get to play travel soccer with kids that live near you and coaches that seem like nice guys. They have a full professional staff model and talk a good game, but the actual coaching and development is poor. The sessions (at least on the younger girls side) are basically babysitting dressed up to look like soccer.

Younger girls teams have been the most successful part of the program.

Probably because the coaching at the youngest girls’ ages had been solely focused on 1v1 training. The coach did not develop the girls properly and because of this they are lacking in soccer iq at the next age group up. And all of this was done to win second and third flights in smaller tournaments.

Curious what team/coach this was, as in 20 years in the area travel scene I have never heard that particular criticism of a vienna team. Typically it is all effort/defending/organization and lumping the ball forward. I don’t think I have even seen a team with a 1v1 or technical focus. Individual players, sure, but those are usually getting it from elsewhere (hop elite) rather than their VYS coach.

I’m a DP, and am happy with Vienna’s girl’s program, but it is true that the girls u-littles focus a ton on 1v1s and technical skills. This is the emphasis under Vincent, who is the ED/TD for girls u-little. I actually think it might be a feature, not a bug.

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Anonymous wrote:Overall, they do a decent job. It's a great place to play competitive soccer. Very serious talent typically goes elsewhere after age 12 or so.

It’s an okay place to get to play travel soccer with kids that live near you and coaches that seem like nice guys. They have a full professional staff model and talk a good game, but the actual coaching and development is poor. The sessions (at least on the younger girls side) are basically babysitting dressed up to look like soccer.

Younger girls teams have been the most successful part of the program.

Probably because the coaching at the youngest girls’ ages had been solely focused on 1v1 training. The coach did not develop the girls properly and because of this they are lacking in soccer iq at the next age group up. And all of this was done to win second and third flights in smaller tournaments.

Curious what team/coach this was, as in 20 years in the area travel scene I have never heard that particular criticism of a vienna team. Typically it is all effort/defending/organization and lumping the ball forward. I don’t think I have even seen a team with a 1v1 or technical focus. Individual players, sure, but those are usually getting it from elsewhere (hop elite) rather than their VYS coach.

I’m a DP, and am happy with Vienna’s girl’s program, but it is true that the girls u-littles focus a ton on 1v1s and technical skills. This is the emphasis under Vincent, who is the ED/TD for girls u-little. I actually think it might be a feature, not a bug.

A good club for development should skew a little toward the individual at ulittles, then transition to team development in the years leading up to 11 v 11. I wouldn’t have a problem with this.

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Anonymous wrote:Overall, they do a decent job. It's a great place to play competitive soccer. Very serious talent typically goes elsewhere after age 12 or so.

It’s an okay place to get to play travel soccer with kids that live near you and coaches that seem like nice guys. They have a full professional staff model and talk a good game, but the actual coaching and development is poor. The sessions (at least on the younger girls side) are basically babysitting dressed up to look like soccer.

Younger girls teams have been the most successful part of the program.

Probably because the coaching at the youngest girls’ ages had been solely focused on 1v1 training. The coach did not develop the girls properly and because of this they are lacking in soccer iq at the next age group up. And all of this was done to win second and third flights in smaller tournaments.

Curious what team/coach this was, as in 20 years in the area travel scene I have never heard that particular criticism of a vienna team. Typically it is all effort/defending/organization and lumping the ball forward. I don’t think I have even seen a team with a 1v1 or technical focus. Individual players, sure, but those are usually getting it from elsewhere (hop elite) rather than their VYS coach.

I’m a DP, and am happy with Vienna’s girl’s program, but it is true that the girls u-littles focus a ton on 1v1s and technical skills. This is the emphasis under Vincent, who is the ED/TD for girls u-little. I actually think it might be a feature, not a bug.

A good club for development should skew a little toward the individual at ulittles, then transition to team development in the years leading up to 11 v 11. I wouldn’t have a problem with this.

+100. Far too many coaches focus on trying to win games at the Ulittle ages through better organization - and please don't confuse that with soccer IQ which is something much more subtle and which comes much later. And this works - focusing on getting defenders coordinated especially will win games at these ages. But it won't do anything for developing the kids. Well done to this coach.

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Anonymous wrote:Overall, they do a decent job. It's a great place to play competitive soccer. Very serious talent typically goes elsewhere after age 12 or so.

It’s an okay place to get to play travel soccer with kids that live near you and coaches that seem like nice guys. They have a full professional staff model and talk a good game, but the actual coaching and development is poor. The sessions (at least on the younger girls side) are basically babysitting dressed up to look like soccer.

Younger girls teams have been the most successful part of the program.

Probably because the coaching at the youngest girls’ ages had been solely focused on 1v1 training. The coach did not develop the girls properly and because of this they are lacking in soccer iq at the next age group up. And all of this was done to win second and third flights in smaller tournaments.

Curious what team/coach this was, as in 20 years in the area travel scene I have never heard that particular criticism of a vienna team. Typically it is all effort/defending/organization and lumping the ball forward. I don’t think I have even seen a team with a 1v1 or technical focus. Individual players, sure, but those are usually getting it from elsewhere (hop elite) rather than their VYS coach.

I’m a DP, and am happy with Vienna’s girl’s program, but it is true that the girls u-littles focus a ton on 1v1s and technical skills. This is the emphasis under Vincent, who is the ED/TD for girls u-little. I actually think it might be a feature, not a bug.

A good club for development should skew a little toward the individual at ulittles, then transition to team development in the years leading up to 11 v 11. I wouldn’t have a problem with this.

+100. Far too many coaches focus on trying to win games at the Ulittle ages through better organization - and please don't confuse that with soccer IQ which is something much more subtle and which comes much later. And this works - focusing on getting defenders coordinated especially will win games at these ages. But it won't do anything for developing the kids. Well done to this coach.

Total nonsense. These are not mutually exclusive options. You can develop better IQ and decisionmaking within structure and organization, and you can actually develop extraordinarily bad instincts when play with others who don’t know what they are doing with respect to positions and space. Kids are sufficiently smart to learn both. I do agree that soccer IQ is a lifelong progression, and in that sense, is a misnomer.

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Anonymous wrote:Overall, they do a decent job. It's a great place to play competitive soccer. Very serious talent typically goes elsewhere after age 12 or so.

It’s an okay place to get to play travel soccer with kids that live near you and coaches that seem like nice guys. They have a full professional staff model and talk a good game, but the actual coaching and development is poor. The sessions (at least on the younger girls side) are basically babysitting dressed up to look like soccer.

Younger girls teams have been the most successful part of the program.

Probably because the coaching at the youngest girls’ ages had been solely focused on 1v1 training. The coach did not develop the girls properly and because of this they are lacking in soccer iq at the next age group up. And all of this was done to win second and third flights in smaller tournaments.

Curious what team/coach this was, as in 20 years in the area travel scene I have never heard that particular criticism of a vienna team. Typically it is all effort/defending/organization and lumping the ball forward. I don’t think I have even seen a team with a 1v1 or technical focus. Individual players, sure, but those are usually getting it from elsewhere (hop elite) rather than their VYS coach.

I’m a DP, and am happy with Vienna’s girl’s program, but it is true that the girls u-littles focus a ton on 1v1s and technical skills. This is the emphasis under Vincent, who is the ED/TD for girls u-little. I actually think it might be a feature, not a bug.

A good club for development should skew a little toward the individual at ulittles, then transition to team development in the years leading up to 11 v 11. I wouldn’t have a problem with this.

+100. Far too many coaches focus on trying to win games at the Ulittle ages through better organization - and please don't confuse that with soccer IQ which is something much more subtle and which comes much later. And this works - focusing on getting defenders coordinated especially will win games at these ages. But it won't do anything for developing the kids. Well done to this coach.

Total nonsense. These are not mutually exclusive options. You can develop better IQ and decisionmaking within structure and organization, and you can actually develop extraordinarily bad instincts when play with others who don’t know what they are doing with respect to positions and space. Kids are sufficiently smart to learn both. I do agree that soccer IQ is a lifelong progression, and in that sense, is a misnomer.

We didn’t do a lot of individual stuff at younger ages of VYS girls. A lot of players were playing pickup though and touching the ball some outside of practice. A couple of years in and we are in higher tournament brackets now and have had more success as the girls have gotten older. They play a good style of soccer too. I’m not an expert, but I think that means there was not a unhealthy focus on winning at younger age groups.

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Anonymous wrote:Overall, they do a decent job. It's a great place to play competitive soccer. Very serious talent typically goes elsewhere after age 12 or so.

It’s an okay place to get to play travel soccer with kids that live near you and coaches that seem like nice guys. They have a full professional staff model and talk a good game, but the actual coaching and development is poor. The sessions (at least on the younger girls side) are basically babysitting dressed up to look like soccer.

Younger girls teams have been the most successful part of the program.

Probably because the coaching at the youngest girls’ ages had been solely focused on 1v1 training. The coach did not develop the girls properly and because of this they are lacking in soccer iq at the next age group up. And all of this was done to win second and third flights in smaller tournaments.

Curious what team/coach this was, as in 20 years in the area travel scene I have never heard that particular criticism of a vienna team. Typically it is all effort/defending/organization and lumping the ball forward. I don’t think I have even seen a team with a 1v1 or technical focus. Individual players, sure, but those are usually getting it from elsewhere (hop elite) rather than their VYS coach.

I’m a DP, and am happy with Vienna’s girl’s program, but it is true that the girls u-littles focus a ton on 1v1s and technical skills. This is the emphasis under Vincent, who is the ED/TD for girls u-little. I actually think it might be a feature, not a bug.

A good club for development should skew a little toward the individual at ulittles, then transition to team development in the years leading up to 11 v 11. I wouldn’t have a problem with this.

+100. Far too many coaches focus on trying to win games at the Ulittle ages through better organization - and please don't confuse that with soccer IQ which is something much more subtle and which comes much later. And this works - focusing on getting defenders coordinated especially will win games at these ages. But it won't do anything for developing the kids. Well done to this coach.

Total nonsense. These are not mutually exclusive options. You can develop better IQ and decisionmaking within structure and organization, and you can actually develop extraordinarily bad instincts when play with others who don’t know what they are doing with respect to positions and space. Kids are sufficiently smart to learn both. I do agree that soccer IQ is a lifelong progression, and in that sense, is a misnomer.

Total nonsesnse. We are talking about 4/5/6 year olds. They are not capable of "better IQ and decisionmaking" in any way which is meaningful to their development. Sure you can teach a couple of kids to stay back, and maybe - by 6 - you can get them to cover for each other. But that is not soccer IQ - that is just organization. And it will win games, but it doesn't develop the kids at all. Kids of this age can't even make good decisions about when to pass. A few six year olds can, and most kids can by 7 - but not before. Yes - you can get them to pass - but they will just pass to another kid close by, often putting the ball in a worse spot than it was before. They cannot "see the game" at these ages because their brains can't process all the player positions and movement yet. This is why kids at this age should focus on dribbling with the ball, and beating kids one on one. The other stuff rightly comes later. And the coach who teaches one or two kids to stay back in defense may "win" a few more games - but the kids are learning nothing from it.