Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Ukraine won’t be alone forever.

Poland is eager to get in the fight for any reason. They really, really hate Russians.
And they have a better military than Ukraine.

I was in Krakow and Warsaw this year and Polish people are not eager to fight. They are eager to make money on this war, but they dont' care to die for Ukrainian soil.

Tell that to the polish volunteer corps that was part of the group that went into Russia.

Poland has a bill being voted on for any national to legally fight for Ukraine.

Poland is poking the wounded bear of Russia and will be poked back maybe…then nato will have to level Russia.

I guess their abortion ban makes them feel like they have people to spare.

Nah, they are just trigger happy and hate Russians
-DP

[Anonymous]

The inevitability grows stronger by the day!!!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The inevitability grows stronger by the day!!!!

You know nato members are pushing for the Ukraine to be admitted to NATO. Plan is to incorporate them in to NATO by the end of the year.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The inevitability grows stronger by the day!!!!

You know nato members are pushing for the Ukraine to be admitted to NATO. Plan is to incorporate them in to NATO by the end of the year.

Don't worry silly russians, that's not going to happen and your media is lying to you again, as usual.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The inevitability grows stronger by the day!!!!

You know nato members are pushing for the Ukraine to be admitted to NATO. Plan is to incorporate them in to NATO by the end of the year.

Everyone agrees that NATO inclusion will only happen after the armed conflict. Everyone agrees the armed conflict will stagger along until at least 2024.

So I'll go out on a limb and say that you're very wrong.

[Anonymous]

This war is going to drag on for years if Ukraine does not get off its ass and take decisive action.

You can only prove for so long and it sucks that they cannot clear the mines (their mine sweepers keep getting blown up) but they have to open the offense up soon.

Ukrainian forces need to be 100 miles into Russia in the next 6 months for this to end anytime soon.

Yes, Ukraine needs to roll towards Moscow for Russia ever to surrender.

[Anonymous]

The Ukrainian counter-offensive is paused/cancelled/yet to happen depending on who you ask. Ukrainian leadership is re-evaluating their tactics, because apparently "Announce your attack months in advance, produce theatrical trailer for the offensive, attack without air support, and charge at entrenched positions" wasn't working too well.

Did NATO come up with this brilliant plan or was this Zelensky's theatrical side trumping all military considerations? Can't wait to read the tell-all book some day.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The Ukrainian counter-offensive is paused/cancelled/yet to happen depending on who you ask. Ukrainian leadership is re-evaluating their tactics, because apparently "Announce your attack months in advance, produce theatrical trailer for the offensive, attack without air support, and charge at entrenched positions" wasn't working too well.

Did NATO come up with this brilliant plan or was this Zelensky's theatrical side trumping all military considerations? Can't wait to read the tell-all book some day.

Zelensky has been begging for air support from the very beginning. It's a catch-22 where the US doesn't want to give them fighter jets until they can prove the Ukrainian Army can defeat Russians, but the Ukrainian Army can't prove this unless they have fighter jets. Much of the EU has been pushing for the jets, some since the beginning. The USA is dead scared at being drawn into WWIII, and has been the one dragging its feet for much of the conflict. Europe sees a land war on its continent and after the failed 3-day Kiev offensive, has coalesced around wanting the Russians out by any means necessary.

So Zelensky has been forced to start his counteroffensive without air support, to show that he really, really needs fighter jets and other things he's been denied. And the US recently deigned to nod in that direction, provided it wasn't the American reserve of fighter jets. But unless they fast track the training and delivery, the counter offensive will stall, and the US will be 100% to blame for the uncessary deaths that ensue. They can't expect Ukrainians to die like WWI trench soldiers indefinitely, and hope there will be any adults left in Ukraine to push back against Russia.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The Ukrainian counter-offensive is paused/cancelled/yet to happen depending on who you ask. Ukrainian leadership is re-evaluating their tactics, because apparently "Announce your attack months in advance, produce theatrical trailer for the offensive, attack without air support, and charge at entrenched positions" wasn't working too well.

Did NATO come up with this brilliant plan or was this Zelensky's theatrical side trumping all military considerations? Can't wait to read the tell-all book some day.

It's definitely not "canceled." Ukraine probed Russia's defenses with barely 10% of their assembled resources and managed to gain many kilometers ground and overrun Russian positions in many locations. Yes, they are looking at what worked, what didn't, along with repositioning resources, just as Russia had to scramble and reposition its resources. What Ukraine does NOT want to do is waste wave after wave after wave of resources for only minimal gains, like Russia did at Bakhmut.

On another note, Russian milblog telegram channel cites Kremlin report stating that Russia has suffered over 220,000 casualties in the war, not including Wagner.

https://t.me/generalsvr/1648

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Ukrainian counter-offensive is paused/cancelled/yet to happen depending on who you ask. Ukrainian leadership is re-evaluating their tactics, because apparently "Announce your attack months in advance, produce theatrical trailer for the offensive, attack without air support, and charge at entrenched positions" wasn't working too well.

Did NATO come up with this brilliant plan or was this Zelensky's theatrical side trumping all military considerations? Can't wait to read the tell-all book some day.

Zelensky has been begging for air support from the very beginning. It's a catch-22 where the US doesn't want to give them fighter jets until they can prove the Ukrainian Army can defeat Russians, but the Ukrainian Army can't prove this unless they have fighter jets. Much of the EU has been pushing for the jets, some since the beginning. The USA is dead scared at being drawn into WWIII, and has been the one dragging its feet for much of the conflict. Europe sees a land war on its continent and after the failed 3-day Kiev offensive, has coalesced around wanting the Russians out by any means necessary.

So Zelensky has been forced to start his counteroffensive without air support, to show that he really, really needs fighter jets and other things he's been denied. And the US recently deigned to nod in that direction, provided it wasn't the American reserve of fighter jets. But unless they fast track the training and delivery, the counter offensive will stall, and the US will be 100% to blame for the uncessary deaths that ensue. They can't expect Ukrainians to die like WWI trench soldiers indefinitely, and hope there will be any adults left in Ukraine to push back against Russia.

This is the fundamental dynamic, can NATO escalate faster than Ukraine is depleted? Do they want to? At this point in time, is there even a Ukrainian path to victory that doesn't involve NATO getting directly involved? Do NATO populations and NATO governments see eye-to-eye on how far to go?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The inevitability grows stronger by the day!!!!

You know nato members are pushing for the Ukraine to be admitted to NATO. Plan is to incorporate them in to NATO by the end of the year.

Everyone agrees that NATO inclusion will only happen after the armed conflict. Everyone agrees the armed conflict will stagger along until at least 2024.

So I'll go out on a limb and say that you're very wrong.

No. You do not know the dynamics with NATO. Germany is not everyone. The newer members closer to Russian want Ukraine in now and are pushing hard. They out number the old guard by a lot. The old guard feel safe from Russia because the newer members countries will act as a buffer for them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The inevitability grows stronger by the day!!!!

You know nato members are pushing for the Ukraine to be admitted to NATO. Plan is to incorporate them in to NATO by the end of the year.

Everyone agrees that NATO inclusion will only happen after the armed conflict. Everyone agrees the armed conflict will stagger along until at least 2024.

So I'll go out on a limb and say that you're very wrong.

No. You do not know the dynamics with NATO. Germany is not everyone. The newer members closer to Russian want Ukraine in now and are pushing hard. They out number the old guard by a lot. The old guard feel safe from Russia because the newer members countries will act as a buffer for them.

I disagree.

First, and in general, the power imbalance between the ex-USSR countries and the west means that western Europe usually wins.

Second, no one wants to escalate this conflict beyond Ukraine. There is no path to NATO membership before the armed conflict ends, otherwise it means NATO has to get boots on the ground there. So that's a hard no, and I'm surprised you're spreading this hogwash.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Ukrainian counter-offensive is paused/cancelled/yet to happen depending on who you ask. Ukrainian leadership is re-evaluating their tactics, because apparently "Announce your attack months in advance, produce theatrical trailer for the offensive, attack without air support, and charge at entrenched positions" wasn't working too well.

Did NATO come up with this brilliant plan or was this Zelensky's theatrical side trumping all military considerations? Can't wait to read the tell-all book some day.

Zelensky has been begging for air support from the very beginning. It's a catch-22 where the US doesn't want to give them fighter jets until they can prove the Ukrainian Army can defeat Russians, but the Ukrainian Army can't prove this unless they have fighter jets. Much of the EU has been pushing for the jets, some since the beginning. The USA is dead scared at being drawn into WWIII, and has been the one dragging its feet for much of the conflict. Europe sees a land war on its continent and after the failed 3-day Kiev offensive, has coalesced around wanting the Russians out by any means necessary.

So Zelensky has been forced to start his counteroffensive without air support, to show that he really, really needs fighter jets and other things he's been denied. And the US recently deigned to nod in that direction, provided it wasn't the American reserve of fighter jets. But unless they fast track the training and delivery, the counter offensive will stall, and the US will be 100% to blame for the uncessary deaths that ensue. They can't expect Ukrainians to die like WWI trench soldiers indefinitely, and hope there will be any adults left in Ukraine to push back against Russia.

This is the fundamental dynamic, can NATO escalate faster than Ukraine is depleted? Do they want to? At this point in time, is there even a Ukrainian path to victory that doesn't involve NATO getting directly involved? Do NATO populations and NATO governments see eye-to-eye on how far to go?

All good questions.

There is a robust path, but it relies on prompt delivery of state of the art weaponry and air support. The USA can't keep stalling like it has since the beginning of the conflict, otherwise it's spending billions for nothing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Ukrainian counter-offensive is paused/cancelled/yet to happen depending on who you ask. Ukrainian leadership is re-evaluating their tactics, because apparently "Announce your attack months in advance, produce theatrical trailer for the offensive, attack without air support, and charge at entrenched positions" wasn't working too well.

Did NATO come up with this brilliant plan or was this Zelensky's theatrical side trumping all military considerations? Can't wait to read the tell-all book some day.

Zelensky has been begging for air support from the very beginning. It's a catch-22 where the US doesn't want to give them fighter jets until they can prove the Ukrainian Army can defeat Russians, but the Ukrainian Army can't prove this unless they have fighter jets. Much of the EU has been pushing for the jets, some since the beginning. The USA is dead scared at being drawn into WWIII, and has been the one dragging its feet for much of the conflict. Europe sees a land war on its continent and after the failed 3-day Kiev offensive, has coalesced around wanting the Russians out by any means necessary.

So Zelensky has been forced to start his counteroffensive without air support, to show that he really, really needs fighter jets and other things he's been denied. And the US recently deigned to nod in that direction, provided it wasn't the American reserve of fighter jets. But unless they fast track the training and delivery, the counter offensive will stall, and the US will be 100% to blame for the uncessary deaths that ensue. They can't expect Ukrainians to die like WWI trench soldiers indefinitely, and hope there will be any adults left in Ukraine to push back against Russia.

The US would prefer the war go on for a long time, to deplete Russia, and doesn't care how much losses Ukraine takes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Ukrainian counter-offensive is paused/cancelled/yet to happen depending on who you ask. Ukrainian leadership is re-evaluating their tactics, because apparently "Announce your attack months in advance, produce theatrical trailer for the offensive, attack without air support, and charge at entrenched positions" wasn't working too well.

Did NATO come up with this brilliant plan or was this Zelensky's theatrical side trumping all military considerations? Can't wait to read the tell-all book some day.

Zelensky has been begging for air support from the very beginning. It's a catch-22 where the US doesn't want to give them fighter jets until they can prove the Ukrainian Army can defeat Russians, but the Ukrainian Army can't prove this unless they have fighter jets. Much of the EU has been pushing for the jets, some since the beginning. The USA is dead scared at being drawn into WWIII, and has been the one dragging its feet for much of the conflict. Europe sees a land war on its continent and after the failed 3-day Kiev offensive, has coalesced around wanting the Russians out by any means necessary.

So Zelensky has been forced to start his counteroffensive without air support, to show that he really, really needs fighter jets and other things he's been denied. And the US recently deigned to nod in that direction, provided it wasn't the American reserve of fighter jets. But unless they fast track the training and delivery, the counter offensive will stall, and the US will be 100% to blame for the uncessary deaths that ensue. They can't expect Ukrainians to die like WWI trench soldiers indefinitely, and hope there will be any adults left in Ukraine to push back against Russia.

The US would prefer the war go on for a long time, to deplete Russia, and doesn't care how much losses Ukraine takes.

That was the plan initially, and may still be in some people's minds. The reality of the battlefield though is that Russia is using very cheap and easily produced weapons to destroy very expensive western hardware. NATO will be depleted long before Russia at this rate.

The UA has been really ineffective with most of the new toys they received. I don't think F-16s will be any different.