Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable

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Anonymous wrote:The Ukrainian counter-offensive is paused/cancelled/yet to happen depending on who you ask. Ukrainian leadership is re-evaluating their tactics, because apparently "Announce your attack months in advance, produce theatrical trailer for the offensive, attack without air support, and charge at entrenched positions" wasn't working too well.

Did NATO come up with this brilliant plan or was this Zelensky's theatrical side trumping all military considerations? Can't wait to read the tell-all book some day.

Zelensky has been begging for air support from the very beginning. It's a catch-22 where the US doesn't want to give them fighter jets until they can prove the Ukrainian Army can defeat Russians, but the Ukrainian Army can't prove this unless they have fighter jets. Much of the EU has been pushing for the jets, some since the beginning. The USA is dead scared at being drawn into WWIII, and has been the one dragging its feet for much of the conflict. Europe sees a land war on its continent and after the failed 3-day Kiev offensive, has coalesced around wanting the Russians out by any means necessary.

So Zelensky has been forced to start his counteroffensive without air support, to show that he really, really needs fighter jets and other things he's been denied. And the US recently deigned to nod in that direction, provided it wasn't the American reserve of fighter jets. But unless they fast track the training and delivery, the counter offensive will stall, and the US will be 100% to blame for the uncessary deaths that ensue. They can't expect Ukrainians to die like WWI trench soldiers indefinitely, and hope there will be any adults left in Ukraine to push back against Russia.

The US would prefer the war go on for a long time, to deplete Russia, and doesn't care how much losses Ukraine takes.

That was the plan initially, and may still be in some people's minds. The reality of the battlefield though is that Russia is using very cheap and easily produced weapons to destroy very expensive western hardware. NATO will be depleted long before Russia at this rate.

The UA has been really ineffective with most of the new toys they received. I don't think F-16s will be any different.

Ha ha! It's amusing you can say that with a straight face (metaphorically).

[Anonymous]

Embarrassing.

Ukraine has paid contractors hundreds of millions of dollars for weapons that have not been delivered, and some of the much-publicized arms donated by its allies have been so decrepit that they were deemed fit only to be cannibalized for spare parts.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/19/world/europe/ukraine-weapons-howitzers-contracts.html

[Anonymous]

https://twitter.com/kyivindependent/status/1670649154601713664?s=46&t=RXug2E3wPuDEf8vlgSC9SQ

There is projected to be a “pause” in the counteroffensive

😂 😂 😂

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Ukrainian counter-offensive is paused/cancelled/yet to happen depending on who you ask. Ukrainian leadership is re-evaluating their tactics, because apparently "Announce your attack months in advance, produce theatrical trailer for the offensive, attack without air support, and charge at entrenched positions" wasn't working too well.

Did NATO come up with this brilliant plan or was this Zelensky's theatrical side trumping all military considerations? Can't wait to read the tell-all book some day.

Zelensky has been begging for air support from the very beginning. It's a catch-22 where the US doesn't want to give them fighter jets until they can prove the Ukrainian Army can defeat Russians, but the Ukrainian Army can't prove this unless they have fighter jets. Much of the EU has been pushing for the jets, some since the beginning. The USA is dead scared at being drawn into WWIII, and has been the one dragging its feet for much of the conflict. Europe sees a land war on its continent and after the failed 3-day Kiev offensive, has coalesced around wanting the Russians out by any means necessary.

So Zelensky has been forced to start his counteroffensive without air support, to show that he really, really needs fighter jets and other things he's been denied. And the US recently deigned to nod in that direction, provided it wasn't the American reserve of fighter jets. But unless they fast track the training and delivery, the counter offensive will stall, and the US will be 100% to blame for the uncessary deaths that ensue. They can't expect Ukrainians to die like WWI trench soldiers indefinitely, and hope there will be any adults left in Ukraine to push back against Russia.

French and British casualty rate in ww1 were a LOT worse than what Ukraine is suffering right now.

France population was same as Ukraine today back in 1914

Ukraine has a lot of bodies to give but a lot left - the percentage of British and French who stayed in ww1 was a lot higher.

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

The amount of cope in this thread needs to be studied.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Embarrassing.

Ukraine has paid contractors hundreds of millions of dollars for weapons that have not been delivered, and some of the much-publicized arms donated by its allies have been so decrepit that they were deemed fit only to be cannibalized for spare parts.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/19/world/europe/ukraine-weapons-howitzers-contracts.html

Wow. Wow. The Humvee story is downright hysterical for how funny and how....Soviet it all sounds. I guess arms dealers are the same all over the world.



As much of 30 percent of Kyiv’s arsenal is under repair at any given time — a high rate, defense experts said, for a military that needs every weapon it can get for its developing counteroffensive...

“If I was the head of an army that has gifted kit to Ukraine, I’d be professionally very embarrassed if I turned stuff around in bad order,” said Ben Barry, a land warfare expert at the International Institute for Strategic Studies in London.

A recent delivery of 33 self-propelled howitzers donated by the Italian government provides a case in point. Videos showed smoke billowing from the engine of one, and engine coolant leaking from another.

Italy’s Defense Ministry said in a statement that the vehicles had been decommissioned years ago but that Ukraine had asked for them anyway, “to be overhauled and put into operation, given the urgent need for means to face the Russian aggression.”

Ukrainian government documents show that its Defense Ministry paid $19.8 million to an American arms dealer, the Tampa-based Ultra Defense Corporation, to have the 33 howitzers repaired. In January, 13 of those howitzers were shipped to Ukraine but arrived “not suitable for combat missions,” according to one of the documents.

Last summer, an American Army unit was ordered to ship 29 Humvees to Ukraine from a depot at Camp Arifjan, a base in Kuwait. Although the unit’s leaders had previously said that all but one of the Humvees were “fully mission capable,” an initial inspection after the orders were received revealed that 26 of them were too broken for combat, according to the Pentagon report.

By late August, contractors had repaired transmissions, dead batteries, fluid leaks, broken lights, door latches and seatbelts on the Humvees, and reported that all 29 were ready for Ukraine. The work was verified by the Army unit in Kuwait.

But when the Humvees reached a staging base in Poland, officials found that the tires on 25 of them were rotten. It took nearly a month to find enough replacement tires, which “delayed the shipment of other equipment to Ukraine and required significant labor and time,” the Pentagon report found.

The same Army unit in Kuwait was also supposed to send six M777 howitzers to Ukraine just weeks after the start of Russia’s full-scale invasion. As it turned out, however, the howitzers “required extensive maintenance” before they could be shipped, because they had gone without regular service checks for 19 months, the Pentagon report found.

At least one was in such bad shape that it “would have killed somebody” trying to use it, inspectors concluded in March 2022.

Three months later, the howitzers had been repaired and shipped to the staging center in Poland. But officials there still concluded that all six “had faults that made them non-mission capable,” the Pentagon audit found. They were repaired in Poland before being sent to Ukraine.

[Anonymous]

This is one well traveled Humvee!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Embarrassing.

Ukraine has paid contractors hundreds of millions of dollars for weapons that have not been delivered, and some of the much-publicized arms donated by its allies have been so decrepit that they were deemed fit only to be cannibalized for spare parts.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/19/world/europe/ukraine-weapons-howitzers-contracts.html

Wow. Wow. The Humvee story is downright hysterical for how funny and how....Soviet it all sounds. I guess arms dealers are the same all over the world.



As much of 30 percent of Kyiv’s arsenal is under repair at any given time — a high rate, defense experts said, for a military that needs every weapon it can get for its developing counteroffensive...

“If I was the head of an army that has gifted kit to Ukraine, I’d be professionally very embarrassed if I turned stuff around in bad order,” said Ben Barry, a land warfare expert at the International Institute for Strategic Studies in London.

A recent delivery of 33 self-propelled howitzers donated by the Italian government provides a case in point. Videos showed smoke billowing from the engine of one, and engine coolant leaking from another.

Italy’s Defense Ministry said in a statement that the vehicles had been decommissioned years ago but that Ukraine had asked for them anyway, “to be overhauled and put into operation, given the urgent need for means to face the Russian aggression.”

Ukrainian government documents show that its Defense Ministry paid $19.8 million to an American arms dealer, the Tampa-based Ultra Defense Corporation, to have the 33 howitzers repaired. In January, 13 of those howitzers were shipped to Ukraine but arrived “not suitable for combat missions,” according to one of the documents.

Last summer, an American Army unit was ordered to ship 29 Humvees to Ukraine from a depot at Camp Arifjan, a base in Kuwait. Although the unit’s leaders had previously said that all but one of the Humvees were “fully mission capable,” an initial inspection after the orders were received revealed that 26 of them were too broken for combat, according to the Pentagon report.

By late August, contractors had repaired transmissions, dead batteries, fluid leaks, broken lights, door latches and seatbelts on the Humvees, and reported that all 29 were ready for Ukraine. The work was verified by the Army unit in Kuwait.

But when the Humvees reached a staging base in Poland, officials found that the tires on 25 of them were rotten. It took nearly a month to find enough replacement tires, which “delayed the shipment of other equipment to Ukraine and required significant labor and time,” the Pentagon report found.

The same Army unit in Kuwait was also supposed to send six M777 howitzers to Ukraine just weeks after the start of Russia’s full-scale invasion. As it turned out, however, the howitzers “required extensive maintenance” before they could be shipped, because they had gone without regular service checks for 19 months, the Pentagon report found.

At least one was in such bad shape that it “would have killed somebody” trying to use it, inspectors concluded in March 2022.

Three months later, the howitzers had been repaired and shipped to the staging center in Poland. But officials there still concluded that all six “had faults that made them non-mission capable,” the Pentagon audit found. They were repaired in Poland before being sent to Ukraine.

Now would be a good time to remind the MAGAs that the military equipment left behind in Afghanistan was even more broken and decripit after being ridden hard and put away wet for 20 years of daily use.

[Anonymous]

LOL PP as long as you don't try to gift it to anyone, I suppose it's all right. Although some people do see it as a not-quite-voluntary gift to the new Afghan government.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:LOL PP as long as you don't try to gift it to anyone, I suppose it's all right. Although some people do see it as a not-quite-voluntary gift to the new Afghan government.

Except it was already gifted to the Afghan government. Almost all of that equipment had already been transferred to the Afghan Army and Afghan National Police over the 20 years prior to the withdrawal, including by Trump, Obama and Bush. It was no longer "our" equipment when we withdrew and hadn't been for years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:LOL PP as long as you don't try to gift it to anyone, I suppose it's all right. Although some people do see it as a not-quite-voluntary gift to the new Afghan government.

Except it was already gifted to the Afghan government. Almost all of that equipment had already been transferred to the Afghan Army and Afghan National Police over the 20 years prior to the withdrawal, including by Trump, Obama and Bush. It was no longer "our" equipment when we withdrew and hadn't been for years.

Then I hope these Humvees have as much fun traveling around the world as the ones bound for Ukraine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Embarrassing.

Ukraine has paid contractors hundreds of millions of dollars for weapons that have not been delivered, and some of the much-publicized arms donated by its allies have been so decrepit that they were deemed fit only to be cannibalized for spare parts.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/19/world/europe/ukraine-weapons-howitzers-contracts.html

Wow. Wow. The Humvee story is downright hysterical for how funny and how....Soviet it all sounds. I guess arms dealers are the same all over the world.



As much of 30 percent of Kyiv’s arsenal is under repair at any given time — a high rate, defense experts said, for a military that needs every weapon it can get for its developing counteroffensive...

“If I was the head of an army that has gifted kit to Ukraine, I’d be professionally very embarrassed if I turned stuff around in bad order,” said Ben Barry, a land warfare expert at the International Institute for Strategic Studies in London.

A recent delivery of 33 self-propelled howitzers donated by the Italian government provides a case in point. Videos showed smoke billowing from the engine of one, and engine coolant leaking from another.

Italy’s Defense Ministry said in a statement that the vehicles had been decommissioned years ago but that Ukraine had asked for them anyway, “to be overhauled and put into operation, given the urgent need for means to face the Russian aggression.”

Ukrainian government documents show that its Defense Ministry paid $19.8 million to an American arms dealer, the Tampa-based Ultra Defense Corporation, to have the 33 howitzers repaired. In January, 13 of those howitzers were shipped to Ukraine but arrived “not suitable for combat missions,” according to one of the documents.

Last summer, an American Army unit was ordered to ship 29 Humvees to Ukraine from a depot at Camp Arifjan, a base in Kuwait. Although the unit’s leaders had previously said that all but one of the Humvees were “fully mission capable,” an initial inspection after the orders were received revealed that 26 of them were too broken for combat, according to the Pentagon report.

By late August, contractors had repaired transmissions, dead batteries, fluid leaks, broken lights, door latches and seatbelts on the Humvees, and reported that all 29 were ready for Ukraine. The work was verified by the Army unit in Kuwait.

But when the Humvees reached a staging base in Poland, officials found that the tires on 25 of them were rotten. It took nearly a month to find enough replacement tires, which “delayed the shipment of other equipment to Ukraine and required significant labor and time,” the Pentagon report found.

The same Army unit in Kuwait was also supposed to send six M777 howitzers to Ukraine just weeks after the start of Russia’s full-scale invasion. As it turned out, however, the howitzers “required extensive maintenance” before they could be shipped, because they had gone without regular service checks for 19 months, the Pentagon report found.

At least one was in such bad shape that it “would have killed somebody” trying to use it, inspectors concluded in March 2022.

Three months later, the howitzers had been repaired and shipped to the staging center in Poland. But officials there still concluded that all six “had faults that made them non-mission capable,” the Pentagon audit found. They were repaired in Poland before being sent to Ukraine.

The US military has been facing staffing shortages for the last few years, so it makes sense that maintenance of less used equipment is one of the areas you're going to see issues. This might be a way to "downsize" hardware to meet force projections.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Embarrassing.

Ukraine has paid contractors hundreds of millions of dollars for weapons that have not been delivered, and some of the much-publicized arms donated by its allies have been so decrepit that they were deemed fit only to be cannibalized for spare parts.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/19/world/europe/ukraine-weapons-howitzers-contracts.html

Wow. Wow. The Humvee story is downright hysterical for how funny and how....Soviet it all sounds. I guess arms dealers are the same all over the world.



As much of 30 percent of Kyiv’s arsenal is under repair at any given time — a high rate, defense experts said, for a military that needs every weapon it can get for its developing counteroffensive...

“If I was the head of an army that has gifted kit to Ukraine, I’d be professionally very embarrassed if I turned stuff around in bad order,” said Ben Barry, a land warfare expert at the International Institute for Strategic Studies in London.

A recent delivery of 33 self-propelled howitzers donated by the Italian government provides a case in point. Videos showed smoke billowing from the engine of one, and engine coolant leaking from another.

Italy’s Defense Ministry said in a statement that the vehicles had been decommissioned years ago but that Ukraine had asked for them anyway, “to be overhauled and put into operation, given the urgent need for means to face the Russian aggression.”

Ukrainian government documents show that its Defense Ministry paid $19.8 million to an American arms dealer, the Tampa-based Ultra Defense Corporation, to have the 33 howitzers repaired. In January, 13 of those howitzers were shipped to Ukraine but arrived “not suitable for combat missions,” according to one of the documents.

Last summer, an American Army unit was ordered to ship 29 Humvees to Ukraine from a depot at Camp Arifjan, a base in Kuwait. Although the unit’s leaders had previously said that all but one of the Humvees were “fully mission capable,” an initial inspection after the orders were received revealed that 26 of them were too broken for combat, according to the Pentagon report.

By late August, contractors had repaired transmissions, dead batteries, fluid leaks, broken lights, door latches and seatbelts on the Humvees, and reported that all 29 were ready for Ukraine. The work was verified by the Army unit in Kuwait.

But when the Humvees reached a staging base in Poland, officials found that the tires on 25 of them were rotten. It took nearly a month to find enough replacement tires, which “delayed the shipment of other equipment to Ukraine and required significant labor and time,” the Pentagon report found.

The same Army unit in Kuwait was also supposed to send six M777 howitzers to Ukraine just weeks after the start of Russia’s full-scale invasion. As it turned out, however, the howitzers “required extensive maintenance” before they could be shipped, because they had gone without regular service checks for 19 months, the Pentagon report found.

At least one was in such bad shape that it “would have killed somebody” trying to use it, inspectors concluded in March 2022.

Three months later, the howitzers had been repaired and shipped to the staging center in Poland. But officials there still concluded that all six “had faults that made them non-mission capable,” the Pentagon audit found. They were repaired in Poland before being sent to Ukraine.

Is anyone surprised that equipment donated by Italy is useless?

Italy and Greece are the laggards of Europe. Incompetent. Corrupt. Nice vacation destinations. Good food. But absolutely useless parasitic countries propped up by the EU

I’m sure most of the military hardware coming from the US, Canada, UK, Germany, Netherlands, Sweden, France is ready to go

[Anonymous]

PP, I guess you missed the great fable of the travelin' Humvee squad.