Option H is permanent and the old Wootton HS campus will be closed for good?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Crown will be a holding school so that everyone can use it for a couple of years. Fair.

Seems like the most reasonable path that does the least harm. By 2029, there will likely be a change in administrations and many current limits on growth in MoCo will be gone. New enrollment projections can be done and boundary studies conducted. Wootton remains a top school, Crown is used by the Gaithersburg families to whim it was promised. Everybody wins and no one is harmed.

The current administration isn't the issue. Vacancy rates are still low. There are few opportunities for infill development in that area. The projects that could move forward, like the proposal in Rio, would result in very few additional students. You're only going to get more students if you either 1) increase density through redevelopment, or 2) attract demographic groups that have more kids. Neither is likely in Montgomery County, *especially* that part of Montgomery County.

Kids are expensive. Montgomery County is expensive. Society has changed in ways that are much more hostile to working parents. There are simply going to be fewer kids in places like this.

I know what you mean, that is true for much of the old money areas in Potomac, but right next-door Richard Montgomery is at 120% capacity, and much of that are in Rockville are likely fairly densely populated with working families. It's the outer regions that just aren't going to produce many kids.

Though it makes me wonder, how much of that is just people finding ways to send kids to better schools, via relatives or whatever way. Like the overcrowding in specific popular school districts might not be so bad, if like there were more good schools.

RM includes areas with higher density, as well as areas with redevelopment prospects. That is significantly less true of Wootton and its neighbors to the north and south.

It is unlikely that MCPS will be able to justify rebuilding Wootton. There just won't be enough students on that side of 270.

Still think they should send RM kids there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote: "long term, of taxpayer funds would strongly argue in waiting out court case. Particularly since you seem to agree Wootton parents can't win on the merits."

Never said the Wootton case did not have merits. I questioned plausibility of arguments on both sides and you know that.

As far as "waiting out court case". That could be the course of action but that takes us back to my original statement. Delay and "Do over". There would be no delay in Crown's opening. There would be a potential delay in Wootton's closing while the merits of the case were heard. Much of this would depend on the judge

However there are no guarantees either way. One guarantee is that if H passes, Wootton is closed permanently ( a point that you seem to agree with and this thread is named after).

The building is likely closed permanently, but you end up with something pretty similar to the existing makeup of the school. Particularly if you compare it to where things would eventually fall it Crown were only used as a holding school (though, that's absurd).

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Anonymous wrote:Crown will be a holding school so that everyone can use it for a couple of years. Fair.

Seems like the most reasonable path that does the least harm. By 2029, there will likely be a change in administrations and many current limits on growth in MoCo will be gone. New enrollment projections can be done and boundary studies conducted. Wootton remains a top school, Crown is used by the Gaithersburg families to whim it was promised. Everybody wins and no one is harmed.

The current administration isn't the issue. Vacancy rates are still low. There are few opportunities for infill development in that area. The projects that could move forward, like the proposal in Rio, would result in very few additional students. You're only going to get more students if you either 1) increase density through redevelopment, or 2) attract demographic groups that have more kids. Neither is likely in Montgomery County, *especially* that part of Montgomery County.

Kids are expensive. Montgomery County is expensive. Society has changed in ways that are much more hostile to working parents. There are simply going to be fewer kids in places like this.

I know what you mean, that is true for much of the old money areas in Potomac, but right next-door Richard Montgomery is at 120% capacity, and much of that are in Rockville are likely fairly densely populated with working families. It's the outer regions that just aren't going to produce many kids.

Though it makes me wonder, how much of that is just people finding ways to send kids to better schools, via relatives or whatever way. Like the overcrowding in specific popular school districts might not be so bad, if like there were more good schools.

RM includes areas with higher density, as well as areas with redevelopment prospects. That is significantly less true of Wootton and its neighbors to the north and south.

It is unlikely that MCPS will be able to justify rebuilding Wootton. There just won't be enough students on that side of 270.

Still think they should send RM kids there.

The basis for your point just emphasizes that if we're going to build or expand a school anywhere, it should be on the east side of 270. It doesn't make sense to rebuild Wootton. There isn't a need on the west side. Not now, not with current projections, and not when you consider where redevelopment is going to occur in future decades.

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If the school is moved, the name is changed, and 30% of the attendees change,, that is a school closure.

In any case, Wootton does not want that. Let's first see which option is taken, then if H is taken, we will see what if anything happens to prevent/delay the subsequent pursuit of the Wootton closure.

If I were on either sides team, I would not speak with certainty as to outcome

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The entire situation is messed up. It sounds like A-D are dead. It’s really E, F, G, or H. It boils down to Crown or Wootton as a holding school.

For most people, the choice depends on the neighborhood they live in.

If you are closer to Crown, Dufief, Stone Mill, Travilah, you want H. You rather everyone go with you now to Crown.

If you are closer to Wootton, especially the walkable neighborhoods like Fallsmead and Rockshire, you rather have EFG.

Then you got Gaithersburg cluster folks, who don’t like any of the options.

Ultimately, I think G makes the most sense. Kids who live walkable to Crown should go to Crown. The rest should be used as a holding facility. Once Damascus, Magruder, and Wootton are done, the demographics of this county can be COMPLETELY different. G is the most stable and long term. Why close Wootton and shift its kids around only to reopen it? Why bus over a thousand kids from Damascus and Magruder to Wootton? Crown is off the highway.

No one here will get everything they want but I think G can give a little to all parties.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If the school is moved, the name is changed, and 30% of the attendees change,, that is a school closure.

In any case, Wootton does not want that. Let's first see which option is taken, then if H is taken, we will see what if anything happens to prevent/delay the subsequent pursuit of the Wootton closure.

If I were on either sides team, I would not speak with certainty as to outcome

OK, keep the name then. There's no reason they need to call it Crown. I guess they could change the boundary in a separate meeting, too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If the school is moved, the name is changed, and 30% of the attendees change,, that is a school closure.

In any case, Wootton does not want that. Let's first see which option is taken, then if H is taken, we will see what if anything happens to prevent/delay the subsequent pursuit of the Wootton closure.

If I were on either sides team, I would not speak with certainty as to outcome

You can call it what you want but adding students to a school isn't unreasonable. Most every school is adding/losing students due to overcrowding and boundary changes due to new schools. Wootton clearly wanted it or they wouldn't have demanded a new facility. Let it go and get in line for a remodel like the rest of our schools. Your sense of entitlement is astounding. What do you want people here to do when you cannot even come up with reasonable solutions?

And, since you want an elite school, maybe change your focus to kick out any students below a 250 MAP and 3.0 GPA.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote: "long term, of taxpayer funds would strongly argue in waiting out court case. Particularly since you seem to agree Wootton parents can't win on the merits."

Never said the Wootton case did not have merits. I questioned plausibility of arguments on both sides and you know that.

As far as "waiting out court case". That could be the course of action but that takes us back to my original statement. Delay and "Do over". There would be no delay in Crown's opening. There would be a potential delay in Wootton's closing while the merits of the case were heard. Much of this would depend on the judge

However there are no guarantees either way. One guarantee is that if H passes, Wootton is closed permanently ( a point that you seem to agree with and this thread is named after).

The building is likely closed permanently, but you end up with something pretty similar to the existing makeup of the school. Particularly if you compare it to where things would eventually fall it Crown were only used as a holding school (though, that's absurd).

And, all the staff and students move to the new building.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Crown will be a holding school so that everyone can use it for a couple of years. Fair.

Seems like the most reasonable path that does the least harm. By 2029, there will likely be a change in administrations and many current limits on growth in MoCo will be gone. New enrollment projections can be done and boundary studies conducted. Wootton remains a top school, Crown is used by the Gaithersburg families to whim it was promised. Everybody wins and no one is harmed.

The current administration isn't the issue. Vacancy rates are still low. There are few opportunities for infill development in that area. The projects that could move forward, like the proposal in Rio, would result in very few additional students. You're only going to get more students if you either 1) increase density through redevelopment, or 2) attract demographic groups that have more kids. Neither is likely in Montgomery County, *especially* that part of Montgomery County.

Kids are expensive. Montgomery County is expensive. Society has changed in ways that are much more hostile to working parents. There are simply going to be fewer kids in places like this.

I know what you mean, that is true for much of the old money areas in Potomac, but right next-door Richard Montgomery is at 120% capacity, and much of that are in Rockville are likely fairly densely populated with working families. It's the outer regions that just aren't going to produce many kids.

Though it makes me wonder, how much of that is just people finding ways to send kids to better schools, via relatives or whatever way. Like the overcrowding in specific popular school districts might not be so bad, if like there were more good schools.

Wootton is North Potomac which is really a fancy name for Gaithersburg.

Why are you so jealous of others? Most people don't have family money and work.

Do you actually know where Wootton is located? Because it is most definitely not “north potomac” or gaithersburg. Wootton has a Rockville address and is right on the border of Rockville and Potomac. All the houses that border it have a Rockville or Potomac address. None of them have North potomac or Gaithersburg. Gaithersburg and North Potomac are miles away from Wootton.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The entire situation is messed up. It sounds like A-D are dead. It’s really E, F, G, or H. It boils down to Crown or Wootton as a holding school.

For most people, the choice depends on the neighborhood they live in.

If you are closer to Crown, Dufief, Stone Mill, Travilah, you want H. You rather everyone go with you now to Crown.

If you are closer to Wootton, especially the walkable neighborhoods like Fallsmead and Rockshire, you rather have EFG.

Then you got Gaithersburg cluster folks, who don’t like any of the options.

Ultimately, I think G makes the most sense. Kids who live walkable to Crown should go to Crown. The rest should be used as a holding facility. Once Damascus, Magruder, and Wootton are done, the demographics of this county can be COMPLETELY different. G is the most stable and long term. Why close Wootton and shift its kids around only to reopen it? Why bus over a thousand kids from Damascus and Magruder to Wootton? Crown is off the highway.

No one here will get everything they want but I think G can give a little to all parties.

What? G can't possibly be a serious proposal. Rotating entire high schools into a small group of kids from directly around Crown seems like a terrible idea. The only benefit it has is letting the BoE push off the controversial decision that will eventually need to be made.

So, given the BoE is spineless, I guess they might do that...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If the school is moved, the name is changed, and 30% of the attendees change,, that is a school closure.

In any case, Wootton does not want that. Let's first see which option is taken, then if H is taken, we will see what if anything happens to prevent/delay the subsequent pursuit of the Wootton closure.

If I were on either sides team, I would not speak with certainty as to outcome

You can call it what you want but adding students to a school isn't unreasonable. Most every school is adding/losing students due to overcrowding and boundary changes due to new schools. Wootton clearly wanted it or they wouldn't have demanded a new facility. Let it go and get in line for a remodel like the rest of our schools. Your sense of entitlement is astounding. What do you want people here to do when you cannot even come up with reasonable solutions?

And, since you want an elite school, maybe change your focus to kick out any students below a 250 MAP and 3.0 GPA.

You have posted this exact same comment multiple times (I recognize the exact same sentences and the same nonsense about MAP and GPA). Why do you feel the need to repeat yourself multiple times? It just makes you sound stupid.

And for the record-Wootton never demanded a new facility. It asked for their school to be fixed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Crown will be a holding school so that everyone can use it for a couple of years. Fair.

Seems like the most reasonable path that does the least harm. By 2029, there will likely be a change in administrations and many current limits on growth in MoCo will be gone. New enrollment projections can be done and boundary studies conducted. Wootton remains a top school, Crown is used by the Gaithersburg families to whim it was promised. Everybody wins and no one is harmed.

The current administration isn't the issue. Vacancy rates are still low. There are few opportunities for infill development in that area. The projects that could move forward, like the proposal in Rio, would result in very few additional students. You're only going to get more students if you either 1) increase density through redevelopment, or 2) attract demographic groups that have more kids. Neither is likely in Montgomery County, *especially* that part of Montgomery County.

Kids are expensive. Montgomery County is expensive. Society has changed in ways that are much more hostile to working parents. There are simply going to be fewer kids in places like this.

I know what you mean, that is true for much of the old money areas in Potomac, but right next-door Richard Montgomery is at 120% capacity, and much of that are in Rockville are likely fairly densely populated with working families. It's the outer regions that just aren't going to produce many kids.

Though it makes me wonder, how much of that is just people finding ways to send kids to better schools, via relatives or whatever way. Like the overcrowding in specific popular school districts might not be so bad, if like there were more good schools.

Wootton is North Potomac which is really a fancy name for Gaithersburg.

Why are you so jealous of others? Most people don't have family money and work.

Do you actually know where Wootton is located? Because it is most definitely not “north potomac” or gaithersburg. Wootton has a Rockville address and is right on the border of Rockville and Potomac. All the houses that border it have a Rockville or Potomac address. None of them have North potomac or Gaithersburg. Gaithersburg and North Potomac are miles away from Wootton.

I saw that and didn’t even bother to correct them. If you think Wootton is in North Potomac, you should exit the conversation. Maybe come back after you have educated yourself on this matter and have done some research.

Literally googling Wootton’s address would’ve taken you the same amount of time as writing that idiotic comment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Taylor will recommend that Crown be a holding school. People should pay attention to boundary changes.

How do you know

[Anonymous]

"Get in Line"

We are in line. If MCPS gave us a choice to stay in line, most would choose to stay in line. I am not seeing a choice like that being given under H. That option takes us out of line and out of our school. Are you suggesting that an option should be given to the Wootton cluster to either stay in line or move to Crown? Or are you suggesting that the Wootton cluster was too vocal so now they should be punished? A choice between staying in line or moving to Crown seems fair at this point. Not sure if that choice exists

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Crown will be a holding school so that everyone can use it for a couple of years. Fair.

Seems like the most reasonable path that does the least harm. By 2029, there will likely be a change in administrations and many current limits on growth in MoCo will be gone. New enrollment projections can be done and boundary studies conducted. Wootton remains a top school, Crown is used by the Gaithersburg families to whim it was promised. Everybody wins and no one is harmed.

The current administration isn't the issue. Vacancy rates are still low. There are few opportunities for infill development in that area. The projects that could move forward, like the proposal in Rio, would result in very few additional students. You're only going to get more students if you either 1) increase density through redevelopment, or 2) attract demographic groups that have more kids. Neither is likely in Montgomery County, *especially* that part of Montgomery County.

Kids are expensive. Montgomery County is expensive. Society has changed in ways that are much more hostile to working parents. There are simply going to be fewer kids in places like this.

I know what you mean, that is true for much of the old money areas in Potomac, but right next-door Richard Montgomery is at 120% capacity, and much of that are in Rockville are likely fairly densely populated with working families. It's the outer regions that just aren't going to produce many kids.

Though it makes me wonder, how much of that is just people finding ways to send kids to better schools, via relatives or whatever way. Like the overcrowding in specific popular school districts might not be so bad, if like there were more good schools.

Wootton is North Potomac which is really a fancy name for Gaithersburg.

Why are you so jealous of others? Most people don't have family money and work.

Do you actually know where Wootton is located? Because it is most definitely not “north potomac” or gaithersburg. Wootton has a Rockville address and is right on the border of Rockville and Potomac. All the houses that border it have a Rockville or Potomac address. None of them have North potomac or Gaithersburg. Gaithersburg and North Potomac are miles away from Wootton.

Not the PP, but their point might have been that much of the zoned area for Wootton is North Potomac.