Fairfax County Double Murder

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:AP had a bond hearing on Tuesday.
Here is what happened.

Defense and Prosecutor entered several pieces of evidence. Including:
- A copy of the chats between CB and JR was entered under seal
- Multiple pictures of the scene were entered, many under seal.

Defense's Argument

- Prosecutor previously "misstated" that AP had bought plane tickets using her passport.
- She actually had used to apply for a work visa and student visa. AP was legally in the country at the time of her arrest with no intention of leaving.
- Prosecutor has not provided any actual evidence of a conspiracy. Just public statements.
- AP was actively dating multiple people, did not deny relationship with BB during police interview, but mentioned she was dating several people.
- Prosecutor overstated extent of JR's incapacitation from first shot. The Medical Examiner stated that there was possibility that JR could see and move.


Prosecutor's Argument

- Prosecutor surprised Defense with a document showing that ICE has asked to be notified if she is release from custody, and they have a warrant for her. He is afraid that if she is released and ends up in federal custody, they will deport her.
- Prosecutor stated that there is no extradition treaty with Brazil, and that the Feds do not have to acknowledge the case's priority. Feds could just deport AP and then the state of VA has no control.
- Prosecutor also argued that she is manipulative and can be manipulated, and therefore still a danger.
- Displayed a picture of JR's body. JR was clutching his stomach on his back
- Mainly re-iterated things said previously at preliminary hearing.
- Mentioned that BB took the 5th on every question during prelim.


Other facts that came out (from chat transcripts and other things referred to by both sides)

- CB and JR communicated using Fetlife and Telegram.
- JR brought up the idea of bringing a knife, CB asked about the details.
- They discussed blood play (cutting)
- CB asked JR, "Do you still want to tear off my clothes? I have a set of old pajamas you can tear"
- A set of ripped pajamas was recovered from the scene
- Pics of a knife, ropes, chains, rubber restraints were sent by JR to CB
- CB took selfie in a bathing suit and sent to husband. A few hours later sent the same selfie to JR with caption: "I sent this to my husband and he didn't even notice I lost 20 pounds"
- Judge questioned about the 45 min phone call over telegram that occurred between CB and JR
- After the phone call, JR texted: "It was great hearing your sexy voice"
- JR wrote that he had only done blood play once before, with razor blades
- CB had several superficial cuts that barely broke the skin
- JR was in the process of cutting CB with BB walked in
- CB wrote "trip to the zoo" on calendar
- CB had multiple lacerations to her neck and carotid artery. Three lacerations to the right side of her neck were the most likely the cause of death
- In the second 911 call, (mentioned but not played) BB is trying to save CB's life by applying pressure

Judge's Decision
Denied bond for two reasons.
- First, that FCPD could lose jurisdiction/control if the Feds take custody and/or deport
- Second, that AP could still pose a risk to community.

I thought this was a closed session?

Dateline ABC and WaPo reporters were there

The GRAND JURY proceeding will be closed. This and prior bond hearings have been open to the public.

[Anonymous]

Wonder if CB had done this kind of thing before or if she was urged to do it by BB? C*ck scenes are usually pushed by the husband and his bday was the day before. Joe's friend said Joe had met a couple to engage in such a scene with.

So CB could have thought kink to pls BB and JR thought was kink re: both but was lured to be fall guy.

Odd that he would bring up knife never having done knife play.

Thanks for details, PP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I mean, if that’s all true it changes the part BB played.

There are threads on here of DH's pushing wives to do c&ck scenes. His birthday was the day before. So, maybe, maybe not.

[Anonymous]

https://people.com/how-fetish-website-central-to-prosecutors-case-against-au-pair-accused-murder-8624449

[Anonymous]

Doesn’t make sense that CB would be into knife play, meet up with a random guy etc when she was previously a sexual assault nurse, doesn’t add up

[Anonymous]

There have been several murders linked to F&tlife. It also figured prominently in another case w/a thread here re: child sex abuse and a mom from Richmond.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wonder if CB had done this kind of thing before or if she was urged to do it by BB? C*ck scenes are usually pushed by the husband and his bday was the day before. Joe's friend said Joe had met a couple to engage in such a scene with.

So CB could have thought kink to pls BB and JR thought was kink re: both but was lured to be fall guy.

Odd that he would bring up knife never having done knife play.

Thanks for details, PP.

BB isn’t into cuck scenarios or BDSM far as I know . He’s probably vanilla AF in bed. This apparently wasn’t the first time for CB however.

[Anonymous]

Guys… we need to understand that there are a lot of things that we don’t know anything about going on in people’s minds.

Yes, the AP and BB are scumbags for moving into the bedroom and all that. But we have to stop making excuses and accept the fact that CB may have actually been communicating with JR.

That does not justify her being killed. But those things happen. People have all kinds of kinks that they don’t usually tell others, even their spouses. They have been together for a long time and also, the marriage could very well be falling apart.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:What if Christine was having an affair, AP alerted BB and then he got home, saw it, things got out of hand, BB just let it happen bc he was already into getting CB out of his life?

She was NOT having an affair with Joe. There’s evidence “they” met through the kink site. Joe told his friend that week about the upcoming meet up with a couple.

I apologize, but I am not caught up yet. Do we know if CB set up the meeting through the site or someone else? Thanks!

Police have said they have reason to believe it was not Christine who set up the account, but someone else in the home.

Thank you!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Doesn’t make sense that CB would be into knife play, meet up with a random guy etc when she was previously a sexual assault nurse, doesn’t add up

My guess, and I could be wrong, is the idea was pushed by BB. She may have felt him growing more distant and was trying to please and hang onto him. It may have been a "birthday present."

See thread on here "My husband wants me to cheat" and all the posters pressuring an upset and uninterested OP to do it for her DH or at least "role play" c*ck scenes. Others posted they hire or engage stranger men for scenes.

The knife play is pretty extreme. Seems awfully coincidental that Joe raised it never having done it. Maybe it originated with BB somehow. I thought JR's friend said he had met the couple. That would happen before the scene/day of.

The whole scene in Herndon sounds incredibly chaotic. Cold BB was the puppet master then played hero. He wisely shut up while AP did not. How did she realistically think she'd get a work or student vista and just "take over" CB's life?

Wonder if WP will do a story?

So CB and JR thought they were there for CONSENSUAL SEX that BB endorsed and claimed to have had a kink about them having.

Say JR tears off pjs, and makes scratches with knife. That would get his prints on it.

Then BB comes in and shoots him and directs AP to shoot to kill.

Then BB stabs CB in neck.

First 911 call made. Hang up.

Second 911 call made significantly later. Both victims alive, JR audibly moaning.

I bet BB used a 2nd knife of the same size and it was disappeared. Nice touch to have a knife with JR's fingerprints on it.

He really does think he's thought of everything.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What if, AP created that profile and lure JR into the house to separate BB and CB?
The only reason why she would call him and say “hey, your wife’s meeting up w that man I told you about”, assuming she was already ploting this all

I think digital forensics would be able include her or rule her out pretty quickly. Being from another country I belive she would have corresponded with an accent. Sentence structure would have given Many clues

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Guys… we need to understand that there are a lot of things that we don’t know anything about going on in people’s minds.

Yes, the AP and BB are scumbags for moving into the bedroom and all that. But we have to stop making excuses and accept the fact that CB may have actually been communicating with JR.

That does not justify her being killed. But those things happen. People have all kinds of kinks that they don’t usually tell others, even their spouses. They have been together for a long time and also, the marriage could very well be falling apart.

JR had no history of violence against women. There is a huge gulf between consensual sex and killing CB. He had no motive to do so. BB did.

JR thought he was engaging in a c*ck scene with a couple he had recently met. That would involve a purported kink of BB. JR was lured under that ruse to be the fall guy for a murder. It may have been linked to the date of BB's birthday. It was all planned so people like PP would say, oh, those 2 slags, oh well, they are dead. And miss the whole manipulation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wonder if CB had done this kind of thing before or if she was urged to do it by BB? C*ck scenes are usually pushed by the husband and his bday was the day before. Joe's friend said Joe had met a couple to engage in such a scene with.

So CB could have thought kink to pls BB and JR thought was kink re: both but was lured to be fall guy.

Odd that he would bring up knife never having done knife play.

Thanks for details, PP.

BB isn’t into cuck scenarios or BDSM far as I know . He’s probably vanilla AF in bed. This apparently wasn’t the first time for CB however.

Ha, why is it that I don't believe you?

Not only was he doing the young AP, he moved her into a bedroom that had been awash in blood where his wife had just died, to play house with a preschooler. Doesn't seem too "vanilla" to me.

Joe was a means to an end.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Guys… we need to understand that there are a lot of things that we don’t know anything about going on in people’s minds.

Yes, the AP and BB are scumbags for moving into the bedroom and all that. But we have to stop making excuses and accept the fact that CB may have actually been communicating with JR.

That does not justify her being killed. But those things happen. People have all kinds of kinks that they don’t usually tell others, even their spouses. They have been together for a long time and also, the marriage could very well be falling apart.

JR had no history of violence against women. There is a huge gulf between consensual sex and killing CB. He had no motive to do so. BB did.

JR thought he was engaging in a c*ck scene with a couple he had recently met. That would involve a purported kink of BB. JR was lured under that ruse to be the fall guy for a murder. It may have been linked to the date of BB's birthday. It was all planned so people like PP would say, oh, those 2 slags, oh well, they are dead. And miss the whole manipulation.

It’s not about being violent, it’s a kink.BDSM.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Guys… we need to understand that there are a lot of things that we don’t know anything about going on in people’s minds.

Yes, the AP and BB are scumbags for moving into the bedroom and all that. But we have to stop making excuses and accept the fact that CB may have actually been communicating with JR.

That does not justify her being killed. But those things happen. People have all kinds of kinks that they don’t usually tell others, even their spouses. They have been together for a long time and also, the marriage could very well be falling apart.

Her husband banging the young AP, teaching her to shoot and setting up a Mark Winger scenario with poor Joe would indeed indicate that the marriage was "falling apart", and it ended when BB murdered his wife.