2024 Democratic National Convention

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Anonymous wrote:The DNC can throw a nice party with the Obamas, Clintons, Oprah, and musical acts, but if they invite multiple Jews to speak and can’t make room for a single Palestinian-American, I’ll sit out this election. If that means Trump again, so be it.

Then you are a moron and can reap the consequences. This is not a platform for Palestinian A to speak out about their issues, I say this as someone who has been and is a staunch Gaza supporter.

As for Jewish speakers, I saw Josh Shapiro but he was there as a governor, not as a person of Jewish faith. Also, politics is never about 100% this or that, it’s about timing. Like it or not but politics is never about idealism, there is a whole lot of gray and a smidge of black and white.

Name call all you want; it’s the DNC who are cowards and decided that kowtowing to Zionists was their priority, to the point of denying even a single Palestinian-American the opportunity to speak. They’ll lose my vote if they can’t fix that.

Go take a hike. After tumultuous 8-9 months of infighting within the party, we have reached this fragile unity, people like you can sit on the sidelines and sulk all you want. We don’t want your vote, you can reminisce about the good old days when Trump is back.

And it will be worse. Harris at least tries to walk the very thin line with being supportive of Israel while commiserating over Arab deaths. She has come out and verbally chastised Netanyahu about the wide-scale Arab death toll and the need for humanitarian aid to the Gazans.

Trump is a very, very pro-Israel supporter and has said nothing about protection or support for the Arabs. Trump has made no objections to Israel's defense of their borders and the singleminded determination of the Israelis to destroy Hamas even if it means horrific Arab civilian sacrifices.

So, while there are Arab sympathetic objectors to the current administration, voting for Trump or sitting out the election will actually be worse for US support of Palestinians. PP who says that Harris would lose your support, do you really realize that Trump will be worse for the Palestinians than Harris? She at least supports humanitarian aid for the Gazans and decries the violence against civilians that Hamas is using as human shields. Trump will not verbally support the Arabs, does not discourage Israeli violence against Palestinians and does not support humanitarian aid to Gaza.

So, why do you think that you supporting Trump or sitting out the election carries the message you want to send?

Trump changed. He was talking about deaths earlier this year and pushing for an end to the war. Now he’s really ramping up the rhetoric even using Palestinian as a slur and calling Schumer Palestinian ? but I think he’s doing this to get Jewish donations but once he’s in, he will push for an end.

Trump didn’t start one new war for Washington from 2016-2020. That’s why they hate him.

Biden didn't start a war either. WTF.

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How the GOP has gotten away with the claim they are better for the economy is beyond me.

I knew it was correct. Voting Democrat has always been good for my pocket book as well as my conscience.

Yep. And it was the best thing that came out of Clinton's speech. I don't know why more people are not talking about this. The Democrats should be ramming this information over and over on the airways. People have to hear things seven times before it begins to sink in.

they do. its embedded in every line item of their platform. unfortunately 50% prefers to vote for seemingly racist candidates and against their own interests. reps capitalize on this every cycle (hostages, willie horton, mccains black baby, clintons drug running, obama a foreigner, harris DEI) see lee atwater and roger stone.

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Anonymous wrote:The DNC can throw a nice party with the Obamas, Clintons, Oprah, and musical acts, but if they invite multiple Jews to speak and can’t make room for a single Palestinian-American, I’ll sit out this election. If that means Trump again, so be it.

Then you are a moron and can reap the consequences. This is not a platform for Palestinian A to speak out about their issues, I say this as someone who has been and is a staunch Gaza supporter.

As for Jewish speakers, I saw Josh Shapiro but he was there as a governor, not as a person of Jewish faith. Also, politics is never about 100% this or that, it’s about timing. Like it or not but politics is never about idealism, there is a whole lot of gray and a smidge of black and white.

Name call all you want; it’s the DNC who are cowards and decided that kowtowing to Zionists was their priority, to the point of denying even a single Palestinian-American the opportunity to speak. They’ll lose my vote if they can’t fix that.

Go take a hike. After tumultuous 8-9 months of infighting within the party, we have reached this fragile unity, people like you can sit on the sidelines and sulk all you want. We don’t want your vote, you can reminisce about the good old days when Trump is back.

And it will be worse. Harris at least tries to walk the very thin line with being supportive of Israel while commiserating over Arab deaths. She has come out and verbally chastised Netanyahu about the wide-scale Arab death toll and the need for humanitarian aid to the Gazans.

Trump is a very, very pro-Israel supporter and has said nothing about protection or support for the Arabs. Trump has made no objections to Israel's defense of their borders and the singleminded determination of the Israelis to destroy Hamas even if it means horrific Arab civilian sacrifices.

So, while there are Arab sympathetic objectors to the current administration, voting for Trump or sitting out the election will actually be worse for US support of Palestinians. PP who says that Harris would lose your support, do you really realize that Trump will be worse for the Palestinians than Harris? She at least supports humanitarian aid for the Gazans and decries the violence against civilians that Hamas is using as human shields. Trump will not verbally support the Arabs, does not discourage Israeli violence against Palestinians and does not support humanitarian aid to Gaza.

So, why do you think that you supporting Trump or sitting out the election carries the message you want to send?

Why weren't there protests at the RNC, hmmm?

Because Dems actually care about Gaza. They are just trying to three an extremely delicate needle to keep the party unified for the election. But some Dem voters want more on Gaza and think protesting can get concessions, like. Speaker at the Convention. Understandable. But not helpful to getting Harris elected. And if she isn’t elected, Gaza will be wiped off the map.

So why no protestors at the R convention? Because everyone knows Trump doesn’t give a flying flip about Gaza and there are zero concession to be had. And Rs would be fine with protestors, who they would pain as violent leftists.

In related news, Rs would also be fine with LGBTQ protestors at their convention. Dems would actually care.

The problem is the Gaza protestors are like BERNIE bros. They want all their demands met now for they re sitting in a corner and sulking. That they don’t get that compromise is needed to reach a larger goal. They refuse to be team players, then yell when they aren't in the starting lineup.

Making room for one prominent Palestinian-American speaker would have been the right thing to do.

Instead, the DNC powerbrokers decided that bending over backwards to demonstrate their allegiance to Israel was the expedient thing to do.

Maybe it is from a polling perspective but Harris has lost my vote. If she’s too much of a coward to insist on what’s right at a convention, she certainly don’t have the courage to stand up to Netanyahu and the Jewish lobby if elected.

Sure. Making room for a prominent pro Palestinian that recognizes Israel’s right to exists, denounces Hamas and oct 7th and pretends they give a hoot about the terrorism and hostages that started this war would be fine. But find me one. I’ll wait. Having someone like Rashida tlaib up there is as inflammatory as having MTG on the RNC stage.

I don't think Palestinian-Americans should be required to jump through hoops to placate Jewish interests just to be allowed to speak at a DNC convention.

Apparently you do. Go ahead and vote for Harris. I'll pass unless they change course. If that means another Trump term, that's the price the Democrats should pay.

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Anonymous wrote:The DNC can throw a nice party with the Obamas, Clintons, Oprah, and musical acts, but if they invite multiple Jews to speak and can’t make room for a single Palestinian-American, I’ll sit out this election. If that means Trump again, so be it.

Then you are a moron and can reap the consequences. This is not a platform for Palestinian A to speak out about their issues, I say this as someone who has been and is a staunch Gaza supporter.

As for Jewish speakers, I saw Josh Shapiro but he was there as a governor, not as a person of Jewish faith. Also, politics is never about 100% this or that, it’s about timing. Like it or not but politics is never about idealism, there is a whole lot of gray and a smidge of black and white.

Name call all you want; it’s the DNC who are cowards and decided that kowtowing to Zionists was their priority, to the point of denying even a single Palestinian-American the opportunity to speak. They’ll lose my vote if they can’t fix that.

Go take a hike. After tumultuous 8-9 months of infighting within the party, we have reached this fragile unity, people like you can sit on the sidelines and sulk all you want. We don’t want your vote, you can reminisce about the good old days when Trump is back.

And it will be worse. Harris at least tries to walk the very thin line with being supportive of Israel while commiserating over Arab deaths. She has come out and verbally chastised Netanyahu about the wide-scale Arab death toll and the need for humanitarian aid to the Gazans.

Trump is a very, very pro-Israel supporter and has said nothing about protection or support for the Arabs. Trump has made no objections to Israel's defense of their borders and the singleminded determination of the Israelis to destroy Hamas even if it means horrific Arab civilian sacrifices.

So, while there are Arab sympathetic objectors to the current administration, voting for Trump or sitting out the election will actually be worse for US support of Palestinians. PP who says that Harris would lose your support, do you really realize that Trump will be worse for the Palestinians than Harris? She at least supports humanitarian aid for the Gazans and decries the violence against civilians that Hamas is using as human shields. Trump will not verbally support the Arabs, does not discourage Israeli violence against Palestinians and does not support humanitarian aid to Gaza.

So, why do you think that you supporting Trump or sitting out the election carries the message you want to send?

Why weren't there protests at the RNC, hmmm?

Because Dems actually care about Gaza. They are just trying to three an extremely delicate needle to keep the party unified for the election. But some Dem voters want more on Gaza and think protesting can get concessions, like. Speaker at the Convention. Understandable. But not helpful to getting Harris elected. And if she isn’t elected, Gaza will be wiped off the map.

So why no protestors at the R convention? Because everyone knows Trump doesn’t give a flying flip about Gaza and there are zero concession to be had. And Rs would be fine with protestors, who they would pain as violent leftists.

In related news, Rs would also be fine with LGBTQ protestors at their convention. Dems would actually care.

The problem is the Gaza protestors are like BERNIE bros. They want all their demands met now for they re sitting in a corner and sulking. That they don’t get that compromise is needed to reach a larger goal. They refuse to be team players, then yell when they aren't in the starting lineup.

Making room for one prominent Palestinian-American speaker would have been the right thing to do.

Instead, the DNC powerbrokers decided that bending over backwards to demonstrate their allegiance to Israel was the expedient thing to do.

Maybe it is from a polling perspective but Harris has lost my vote. If she’s too much of a coward to insist on what’s right at a convention, she certainly don’t have the courage to stand up to Netanyahu and the Jewish lobby if elected.

Sure. Making room for a prominent pro Palestinian that recognizes Israel’s right to exists, denounces Hamas and oct 7th and pretends they give a hoot about the terrorism and hostages that started this war would be fine. But find me one. I’ll wait. Having someone like Rashida tlaib up there is as inflammatory as having MTG on the RNC stage.

what does "israels right to exist" mean to you?

the whole issue is that it commits war crimes and violates international law incl its founding. if you clarify as "right to exist for the first time as a democratic country" that would work. and there are israeli jews who would fit this speaker criteria. only america thinks this issue is complex.

I think there is some top secret reason why we continue to justify such an extremely racist fundamentalist state, what democracy has separate rules based on religion? who would support artificial measures to keep the us a fundamemtalist protestant state.

i dont see how biden admin can say a ceasefire is suddenly desirable yet the war was justified w/o admitting the purpose was to exterminate pals. why should bibi stop if he was originally right and hamas still exists? what did they think would happen.

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Anonymous wrote:The DNC can throw a nice party with the Obamas, Clintons, Oprah, and musical acts, but if they invite multiple Jews to speak and can’t make room for a single Palestinian-American, I’ll sit out this election. If that means Trump again, so be it.

Then you are a moron and can reap the consequences. This is not a platform for Palestinian A to speak out about their issues, I say this as someone who has been and is a staunch Gaza supporter.

As for Jewish speakers, I saw Josh Shapiro but he was there as a governor, not as a person of Jewish faith. Also, politics is never about 100% this or that, it’s about timing. Like it or not but politics is never about idealism, there is a whole lot of gray and a smidge of black and white.

Name call all you want; it’s the DNC who are cowards and decided that kowtowing to Zionists was their priority, to the point of denying even a single Palestinian-American the opportunity to speak. They’ll lose my vote if they can’t fix that.

Go take a hike. After tumultuous 8-9 months of infighting within the party, we have reached this fragile unity, people like you can sit on the sidelines and sulk all you want. We don’t want your vote, you can reminisce about the good old days when Trump is back.

And it will be worse. Harris at least tries to walk the very thin line with being supportive of Israel while commiserating over Arab deaths. She has come out and verbally chastised Netanyahu about the wide-scale Arab death toll and the need for humanitarian aid to the Gazans.

Trump is a very, very pro-Israel supporter and has said nothing about protection or support for the Arabs. Trump has made no objections to Israel's defense of their borders and the singleminded determination of the Israelis to destroy Hamas even if it means horrific Arab civilian sacrifices.

So, while there are Arab sympathetic objectors to the current administration, voting for Trump or sitting out the election will actually be worse for US support of Palestinians. PP who says that Harris would lose your support, do you really realize that Trump will be worse for the Palestinians than Harris? She at least supports humanitarian aid for the Gazans and decries the violence against civilians that Hamas is using as human shields. Trump will not verbally support the Arabs, does not discourage Israeli violence against Palestinians and does not support humanitarian aid to Gaza.

So, why do you think that you supporting Trump or sitting out the election carries the message you want to send?

Why weren't there protests at the RNC, hmmm?

Because Dems actually care about Gaza. They are just trying to three an extremely delicate needle to keep the party unified for the election. But some Dem voters want more on Gaza and think protesting can get concessions, like. Speaker at the Convention. Understandable. But not helpful to getting Harris elected. And if she isn’t elected, Gaza will be wiped off the map.

So why no protestors at the R convention? Because everyone knows Trump doesn’t give a flying flip about Gaza and there are zero concession to be had. And Rs would be fine with protestors, who they would pain as violent leftists.

In related news, Rs would also be fine with LGBTQ protestors at their convention. Dems would actually care.

The problem is the Gaza protestors are like BERNIE bros. They want all their demands met now for they re sitting in a corner and sulking. That they don’t get that compromise is needed to reach a larger goal. They refuse to be team players, then yell when they aren't in the starting lineup.

Making room for one prominent Palestinian-American speaker would have been the right thing to do.

Instead, the DNC powerbrokers decided that bending over backwards to demonstrate their allegiance to Israel was the expedient thing to do.

Maybe it is from a polling perspective but Harris has lost my vote. If she’s too much of a coward to insist on what’s right at a convention, she certainly don’t have the courage to stand up to Netanyahu and the Jewish lobby if elected.

Sure. Making room for a prominent pro Palestinian that recognizes Israel’s right to exists, denounces Hamas and oct 7th and pretends they give a hoot about the terrorism and hostages that started this war would be fine. But find me one. I’ll wait. Having someone like Rashida tlaib up there is as inflammatory as having MTG on the RNC stage.

I don't think Palestinian-Americans should be required to jump through hoops to placate Jewish interests just to be allowed to speak at a DNC convention.

Apparently you do. Go ahead and vote for Harris. I'll pass unless they change course. If that means another Trump term, that's the price the Democrats should pay.

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Why are “progressives/liberals” so vile?

https://www.chicagotribune.com/2024/08/21/democratic-national-convention-protest/

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Anonymous wrote:I get angry every time I see what the GOP attempted to do on January 6. They truly tried to get their dictator installed, and to murder multiple lawmakers who would have stood in the way. I’m glad the Democrats are reminding everyone of not only what the Republicans did, but also that the GOP has once again elevated as their nominee the ringleader of the insurrection.

Worth re-reading the report that Liz Cheney and the January 6th Committee prepared after their investigation:
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/GPO-J6-REPORT/html-submitted/index.html#esh2_1

"The evidence also includes an audio recording of President Trump’s advisor Steve Bannon, who said this on October 31, 2020, to a group of his associates from China:

'And what Trump’s gonna do is just declare victory, right? He’s gonna declare victory. But that doesn’t mean he’s a winner. He’s just gonna say he’s a winner . . . The Democrats—more of our people vote early that count. Theirs vote in mail. And so they’re gonna have a natural disadvantage, and Trump’s going to take advantage of it—that’s our strategy. He’s gonna declare himself a winner. So when you wake up Wednesday morning, it’s going to be a firestorm . . . . Also, if Trump, if Trump is losing, by 10 or 11 o’clock at night, it’s going to be even crazier. No, because he’s gonna sit right there and say “They stole it. I’m directing the Attorney General to shut down all ballot places in all 50 states.” It’s going to be, no, he’s not going out easy. If Trump—if Biden’s winning, Trump is going to do some crazy shit.'

Also in advance of the election, Roger Stone, another outside advisor to President Trump, made this statement:

'I really do suspect it will still be up in the air. When that happens, the key thing to do is to claim victory. Possession is nine-tenths of the law. No, we won. F**k you, Sorry. Over. We won. You’re wrong. F**k you.'"

That's before the election. Then there was all of the plotting in advance of the violence on January 6.

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Pro-Palestine groups trying to empower the Republicans is very much different.

you are mistaken and should read some primary sources. pro palestinian grps in chicago are firmly in the democratic party tent, that is why they are threatening to sit out election if they dont get their policy change.

Whatever the pro-Palestinian groups tell themselves, sitting out the the election is empowering the Republicans and will hurt the Palestinians. Simple as that.

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Anonymous wrote:The DNC can throw a nice party with the Obamas, Clintons, Oprah, and musical acts, but if they invite multiple Jews to speak and can’t make room for a single Palestinian-American, I’ll sit out this election. If that means Trump again, so be it.

Then you are a moron and can reap the consequences. This is not a platform for Palestinian A to speak out about their issues, I say this as someone who has been and is a staunch Gaza supporter.

As for Jewish speakers, I saw Josh Shapiro but he was there as a governor, not as a person of Jewish faith. Also, politics is never about 100% this or that, it’s about timing. Like it or not but politics is never about idealism, there is a whole lot of gray and a smidge of black and white.

Name call all you want; it’s the DNC who are cowards and decided that kowtowing to Zionists was their priority, to the point of denying even a single Palestinian-American the opportunity to speak. They’ll lose my vote if they can’t fix that.

Go take a hike. After tumultuous 8-9 months of infighting within the party, we have reached this fragile unity, people like you can sit on the sidelines and sulk all you want. We don’t want your vote, you can reminisce about the good old days when Trump is back.

And it will be worse. Harris at least tries to walk the very thin line with being supportive of Israel while commiserating over Arab deaths. She has come out and verbally chastised Netanyahu about the wide-scale Arab death toll and the need for humanitarian aid to the Gazans.

Trump is a very, very pro-Israel supporter and has said nothing about protection or support for the Arabs. Trump has made no objections to Israel's defense of their borders and the singleminded determination of the Israelis to destroy Hamas even if it means horrific Arab civilian sacrifices.

So, while there are Arab sympathetic objectors to the current administration, voting for Trump or sitting out the election will actually be worse for US support of Palestinians. PP who says that Harris would lose your support, do you really realize that Trump will be worse for the Palestinians than Harris? She at least supports humanitarian aid for the Gazans and decries the violence against civilians that Hamas is using as human shields. Trump will not verbally support the Arabs, does not discourage Israeli violence against Palestinians and does not support humanitarian aid to Gaza.

So, why do you think that you supporting Trump or sitting out the election carries the message you want to send?

Why weren't there protests at the RNC, hmmm?

Because Dems actually care about Gaza. They are just trying to three an extremely delicate needle to keep the party unified for the election. But some Dem voters want more on Gaza and think protesting can get concessions, like. Speaker at the Convention. Understandable. But not helpful to getting Harris elected. And if she isn’t elected, Gaza will be wiped off the map.

So why no protestors at the R convention? Because everyone knows Trump doesn’t give a flying flip about Gaza and there are zero concession to be had. And Rs would be fine with protestors, who they would pain as violent leftists.

In related news, Rs would also be fine with LGBTQ protestors at their convention. Dems would actually care.

The problem is the Gaza protestors are like BERNIE bros. They want all their demands met now for they re sitting in a corner and sulking. That they don’t get that compromise is needed to reach a larger goal. They refuse to be team players, then yell when they aren't in the starting lineup.

Making room for one prominent Palestinian-American speaker would have been the right thing to do.

Instead, the DNC powerbrokers decided that bending over backwards to demonstrate their allegiance to Israel was the expedient thing to do.

Maybe it is from a polling perspective but Harris has lost my vote. If she’s too much of a coward to insist on what’s right at a convention, she certainly don’t have the courage to stand up to Netanyahu and the Jewish lobby if elected.

Sure. Making room for a prominent pro Palestinian that recognizes Israel’s right to exists, denounces Hamas and oct 7th and pretends they give a hoot about the terrorism and hostages that started this war would be fine. But find me one. I’ll wait. Having someone like Rashida tlaib up there is as inflammatory as having MTG on the RNC stage.

I don't think Palestinian-Americans should be required to jump through hoops to placate Jewish interests just to be allowed to speak at a DNC convention.

Apparently you do. Go ahead and vote for Harris. I'll pass unless they change course. If that means another Trump term, that's the price the Democrats should pay.

I don’t think not supporting a terrorist entity is a “hoop” that one has to jump through. But go ahead and pass on Harris. Electing trump will thrill hard core right wing pro Israel supporters and you’ll reap what you sow.

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Anonymous wrote:As ever, the GOP keeps it klassy, this time by placing insects into the breakfast buffet where several states’ Democratic delegations were staying. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/08/21/maggots-chicago-democrats-hotel/74892695007/

The article I read said it was pro-Palestine protestors.

was it next to an article re jfk jr coming back from the dead to be trumps vp. or about pedos at comet pizza or in nancys SF house?

Axios: https://www.axios.com/local/indianapolis/2024/08/21/protest-dnc-indiana-delegation-bugs-breakfast

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Anonymous wrote:The DNC can throw a nice party with the Obamas, Clintons, Oprah, and musical acts, but if they invite multiple Jews to speak and can’t make room for a single Palestinian-American, I’ll sit out this election. If that means Trump again, so be it.

Then you are a moron and can reap the consequences. This is not a platform for Palestinian A to speak out about their issues, I say this as someone who has been and is a staunch Gaza supporter.

As for Jewish speakers, I saw Josh Shapiro but he was there as a governor, not as a person of Jewish faith. Also, politics is never about 100% this or that, it’s about timing. Like it or not but politics is never about idealism, there is a whole lot of gray and a smidge of black and white.

Name call all you want; it’s the DNC who are cowards and decided that kowtowing to Zionists was their priority, to the point of denying even a single Palestinian-American the opportunity to speak. They’ll lose my vote if they can’t fix that.

Go take a hike. After tumultuous 8-9 months of infighting within the party, we have reached this fragile unity, people like you can sit on the sidelines and sulk all you want. We don’t want your vote, you can reminisce about the good old days when Trump is back.

And it will be worse. Harris at least tries to walk the very thin line with being supportive of Israel while commiserating over Arab deaths. She has come out and verbally chastised Netanyahu about the wide-scale Arab death toll and the need for humanitarian aid to the Gazans.

Trump is a very, very pro-Israel supporter and has said nothing about protection or support for the Arabs. Trump has made no objections to Israel's defense of their borders and the singleminded determination of the Israelis to destroy Hamas even if it means horrific Arab civilian sacrifices.

So, while there are Arab sympathetic objectors to the current administration, voting for Trump or sitting out the election will actually be worse for US support of Palestinians. PP who says that Harris would lose your support, do you really realize that Trump will be worse for the Palestinians than Harris? She at least supports humanitarian aid for the Gazans and decries the violence against civilians that Hamas is using as human shields. Trump will not verbally support the Arabs, does not discourage Israeli violence against Palestinians and does not support humanitarian aid to Gaza.

So, why do you think that you supporting Trump or sitting out the election carries the message you want to send?

Why weren't there protests at the RNC, hmmm?

Because Dems actually care about Gaza. They are just trying to three an extremely delicate needle to keep the party unified for the election. But some Dem voters want more on Gaza and think protesting can get concessions, like. Speaker at the Convention. Understandable. But not helpful to getting Harris elected. And if she isn’t elected, Gaza will be wiped off the map.

So why no protestors at the R convention? Because everyone knows Trump doesn’t give a flying flip about Gaza and there are zero concession to be had. And Rs would be fine with protestors, who they would pain as violent leftists.

In related news, Rs would also be fine with LGBTQ protestors at their convention. Dems would actually care.

The problem is the Gaza protestors are like BERNIE bros. They want all their demands met now for they re sitting in a corner and sulking. That they don’t get that compromise is needed to reach a larger goal. They refuse to be team players, then yell when they aren't in the starting lineup.

Making room for one prominent Palestinian-American speaker would have been the right thing to do.

Instead, the DNC powerbrokers decided that bending over backwards to demonstrate their allegiance to Israel was the expedient thing to do.

Maybe it is from a polling perspective but Harris has lost my vote. If she’s too much of a coward to insist on what’s right at a convention, she certainly don’t have the courage to stand up to Netanyahu and the Jewish lobby if elected.

Sure. Making room for a prominent pro Palestinian that recognizes Israel’s right to exists, denounces Hamas and oct 7th and pretends they give a hoot about the terrorism and hostages that started this war would be fine. But find me one. I’ll wait. Having someone like Rashida tlaib up there is as inflammatory as having MTG on the RNC stage.

what does "israels right to exist" mean to you?

the whole issue is that it commits war crimes and violates international law incl its founding. if you clarify as "right to exist for the first time as a democratic country" that would work. and there are israeli jews who would fit this speaker criteria. only america thinks this issue is complex.

I think there is some top secret reason why we continue to justify such an extremely racist fundamentalist state, what democracy has separate rules based on religion? who would support artificial measures to keep the us a fundamemtalist protestant state.

i dont see how biden admin can say a ceasefire is suddenly desirable yet the war was justified w/o admitting the purpose was to exterminate pals. why should bibi stop if he was originally right and hamas still exists? what did they think would happen.

Israel is basically the US of the KKK 1920s for Jews. But it has immense power, just like the KKK did at various times.

We can embrace its grip on American politics or repudiate it. But if our "Democratic" politicians continue to reveal themselves to be shills for Israel then they don't deserve support any more than Trump does.

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Anonymous wrote:The DNC can throw a nice party with the Obamas, Clintons, Oprah, and musical acts, but if they invite multiple Jews to speak and can’t make room for a single Palestinian-American, I’ll sit out this election. If that means Trump again, so be it.

Then you are a moron and can reap the consequences. This is not a platform for Palestinian A to speak out about their issues, I say this as someone who has been and is a staunch Gaza supporter.

As for Jewish speakers, I saw Josh Shapiro but he was there as a governor, not as a person of Jewish faith. Also, politics is never about 100% this or that, it’s about timing. Like it or not but politics is never about idealism, there is a whole lot of gray and a smidge of black and white.

Name call all you want; it’s the DNC who are cowards and decided that kowtowing to Zionists was their priority, to the point of denying even a single Palestinian-American the opportunity to speak. They’ll lose my vote if they can’t fix that.

Go take a hike. After tumultuous 8-9 months of infighting within the party, we have reached this fragile unity, people like you can sit on the sidelines and sulk all you want. We don’t want your vote, you can reminisce about the good old days when Trump is back.

And it will be worse. Harris at least tries to walk the very thin line with being supportive of Israel while commiserating over Arab deaths. She has come out and verbally chastised Netanyahu about the wide-scale Arab death toll and the need for humanitarian aid to the Gazans.

Trump is a very, very pro-Israel supporter and has said nothing about protection or support for the Arabs. Trump has made no objections to Israel's defense of their borders and the singleminded determination of the Israelis to destroy Hamas even if it means horrific Arab civilian sacrifices.

So, while there are Arab sympathetic objectors to the current administration, voting for Trump or sitting out the election will actually be worse for US support of Palestinians. PP who says that Harris would lose your support, do you really realize that Trump will be worse for the Palestinians than Harris? She at least supports humanitarian aid for the Gazans and decries the violence against civilians that Hamas is using as human shields. Trump will not verbally support the Arabs, does not discourage Israeli violence against Palestinians and does not support humanitarian aid to Gaza.

So, why do you think that you supporting Trump or sitting out the election carries the message you want to send?

Why weren't there protests at the RNC, hmmm?

Because Dems actually care about Gaza. They are just trying to three an extremely delicate needle to keep the party unified for the election. But some Dem voters want more on Gaza and think protesting can get concessions, like. Speaker at the Convention. Understandable. But not helpful to getting Harris elected. And if she isn’t elected, Gaza will be wiped off the map.

So why no protestors at the R convention? Because everyone knows Trump doesn’t give a flying flip about Gaza and there are zero concession to be had. And Rs would be fine with protestors, who they would pain as violent leftists.

In related news, Rs would also be fine with LGBTQ protestors at their convention. Dems would actually care.

The problem is the Gaza protestors are like BERNIE bros. They want all their demands met now for they re sitting in a corner and sulking. That they don’t get that compromise is needed to reach a larger goal. They refuse to be team players, then yell when they aren't in the starting lineup.

Making room for one prominent Palestinian-American speaker would have been the right thing to do.

Instead, the DNC powerbrokers decided that bending over backwards to demonstrate their allegiance to Israel was the expedient thing to do.

Maybe it is from a polling perspective but Harris has lost my vote. If she’s too much of a coward to insist on what’s right at a convention, she certainly don’t have the courage to stand up to Netanyahu and the Jewish lobby if elected.

you will get fired from big law for saying that. im pretty sure harris and blinkin could not work in big law at this pt. why would they do this when they have made their view clear. and why would the person need to be a pal? look what happened to jimmy carter

anyway it is pretty hard to colonize people, commit genocide, create a new racist state and get away w it these days. so hopefully this latest uprising helps shine light. just as it is pretty hard to make up a new abraham based religion, mormons barely made it.

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The article I read said it was pro-Palestine protestors.

DP. Of course it was. Report the PP troll who is desperate to blame the disgusting antics of these protesters on the “GOP.”

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Anonymous wrote:The DNC can throw a nice party with the Obamas, Clintons, Oprah, and musical acts, but if they invite multiple Jews to speak and can’t make room for a single Palestinian-American, I’ll sit out this election. If that means Trump again, so be it.

Then you are a moron and can reap the consequences. This is not a platform for Palestinian A to speak out about their issues, I say this as someone who has been and is a staunch Gaza supporter.

As for Jewish speakers, I saw Josh Shapiro but he was there as a governor, not as a person of Jewish faith. Also, politics is never about 100% this or that, it’s about timing. Like it or not but politics is never about idealism, there is a whole lot of gray and a smidge of black and white.

Name call all you want; it’s the DNC who are cowards and decided that kowtowing to Zionists was their priority, to the point of denying even a single Palestinian-American the opportunity to speak. They’ll lose my vote if they can’t fix that.

Go take a hike. After tumultuous 8-9 months of infighting within the party, we have reached this fragile unity, people like you can sit on the sidelines and sulk all you want. We don’t want your vote, you can reminisce about the good old days when Trump is back.

And it will be worse. Harris at least tries to walk the very thin line with being supportive of Israel while commiserating over Arab deaths. She has come out and verbally chastised Netanyahu about the wide-scale Arab death toll and the need for humanitarian aid to the Gazans.

Trump is a very, very pro-Israel supporter and has said nothing about protection or support for the Arabs. Trump has made no objections to Israel's defense of their borders and the singleminded determination of the Israelis to destroy Hamas even if it means horrific Arab civilian sacrifices.

So, while there are Arab sympathetic objectors to the current administration, voting for Trump or sitting out the election will actually be worse for US support of Palestinians. PP who says that Harris would lose your support, do you really realize that Trump will be worse for the Palestinians than Harris? She at least supports humanitarian aid for the Gazans and decries the violence against civilians that Hamas is using as human shields. Trump will not verbally support the Arabs, does not discourage Israeli violence against Palestinians and does not support humanitarian aid to Gaza.

So, why do you think that you supporting Trump or sitting out the election carries the message you want to send?

Trump changed. He was talking about deaths earlier this year and pushing for an end to the war. Now he’s really ramping up the rhetoric even using Palestinian as a slur and calling Schumer Palestinian ? but I think he’s doing this to get Jewish donations but once he’s in, he will push for an end.

Trump didn’t start one new war for Washington from 2016-2020. That’s why they hate him.

He didn't need to "start" any wars - he was giving China and Russia everything they wanted.

What wars has Biden started? Where are US troops deployed abroad fighting wars?

How did he give them what they wanted? He placed more sanctions on Russia and tarriffs on China.

Gave them what they wanted? How?

Tellingly, China didn’t encroach on Taiwan and Russia didn’t encroach on Ukraine when Trump was in office.

Putin invaded Crimea in 2014. Stopped then returned when Pres Biden came to office.

The rest of the world doesn’t fear or respect Democrat leaders or policy. They think they are beta males and weak.

They think Trump is strong and intimidating because he’s unpredictable

You think this way because neither you nor Trump understand what motivates Putin, which is to have a buffer between Russia and NATO. Trump did not support NATO; ergo, Putin saw no need to invade Ukraine. Biden takes office, shows support for NATO; Zelensky again expresses the desire to join NATO. Russia invades Ukraine.

https://www.politifact.com/article/2022/apr/14/ask-politifact-whats-ukraines-history-trying-join-/

Russian President Vladimir Putin has long cited NATO’s expansion into Eastern Europe as a pretext for his country’s invasion of neighboring Ukraine.

The only reason Putin didn't invade when Trump was in office is because basically Trump likes Putin and hates NATO. And apparently, you do, too. Completely anti-American.

-former R

Yep. Trump does not support NATO. He would ally us with Russia.

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Anonymous wrote:The DNC can throw a nice party with the Obamas, Clintons, Oprah, and musical acts, but if they invite multiple Jews to speak and can’t make room for a single Palestinian-American, I’ll sit out this election. If that means Trump again, so be it.

Then you are a moron and can reap the consequences. This is not a platform for Palestinian A to speak out about their issues, I say this as someone who has been and is a staunch Gaza supporter.

As for Jewish speakers, I saw Josh Shapiro but he was there as a governor, not as a person of Jewish faith. Also, politics is never about 100% this or that, it’s about timing. Like it or not but politics is never about idealism, there is a whole lot of gray and a smidge of black and white.

Name call all you want; it’s the DNC who are cowards and decided that kowtowing to Zionists was their priority, to the point of denying even a single Palestinian-American the opportunity to speak. They’ll lose my vote if they can’t fix that.

Go take a hike. After tumultuous 8-9 months of infighting within the party, we have reached this fragile unity, people like you can sit on the sidelines and sulk all you want. We don’t want your vote, you can reminisce about the good old days when Trump is back.

And it will be worse. Harris at least tries to walk the very thin line with being supportive of Israel while commiserating over Arab deaths. She has come out and verbally chastised Netanyahu about the wide-scale Arab death toll and the need for humanitarian aid to the Gazans.

Trump is a very, very pro-Israel supporter and has said nothing about protection or support for the Arabs. Trump has made no objections to Israel's defense of their borders and the singleminded determination of the Israelis to destroy Hamas even if it means horrific Arab civilian sacrifices.

So, while there are Arab sympathetic objectors to the current administration, voting for Trump or sitting out the election will actually be worse for US support of Palestinians. PP who says that Harris would lose your support, do you really realize that Trump will be worse for the Palestinians than Harris? She at least supports humanitarian aid for the Gazans and decries the violence against civilians that Hamas is using as human shields. Trump will not verbally support the Arabs, does not discourage Israeli violence against Palestinians and does not support humanitarian aid to Gaza.

So, why do you think that you supporting Trump or sitting out the election carries the message you want to send?

Why weren't there protests at the RNC, hmmm?

Because Dems actually care about Gaza. They are just trying to three an extremely delicate needle to keep the party unified for the election. But some Dem voters want more on Gaza and think protesting can get concessions, like. Speaker at the Convention. Understandable. But not helpful to getting Harris elected. And if she isn’t elected, Gaza will be wiped off the map.

So why no protestors at the R convention? Because everyone knows Trump doesn’t give a flying flip about Gaza and there are zero concession to be had. And Rs would be fine with protestors, who they would pain as violent leftists.

In related news, Rs would also be fine with LGBTQ protestors at their convention. Dems would actually care.

The problem is the Gaza protestors are like BERNIE bros. They want all their demands met now for they re sitting in a corner and sulking. That they don’t get that compromise is needed to reach a larger goal. They refuse to be team players, then yell when they aren't in the starting lineup.

Making room for one prominent Palestinian-American speaker would have been the right thing to do.

Instead, the DNC powerbrokers decided that bending over backwards to demonstrate their allegiance to Israel was the expedient thing to do.

Maybe it is from a polling perspective but Harris has lost my vote. If she’s too much of a coward to insist on what’s right at a convention, she certainly don’t have the courage to stand up to Netanyahu and the Jewish lobby if elected.

Sure. Making room for a prominent pro Palestinian that recognizes Israel’s right to exists, denounces Hamas and oct 7th and pretends they give a hoot about the terrorism and hostages that started this war would be fine. But find me one. I’ll wait. Having someone like Rashida tlaib up there is as inflammatory as having MTG on the RNC stage.

what does "israels right to exist" mean to you?

the whole issue is that it commits war crimes and violates international law incl its founding. if you clarify as "right to exist for the first time as a democratic country" that would work. and there are israeli jews who would fit this speaker criteria. only america thinks this issue is complex.

I think there is some top secret reason why we continue to justify such an extremely racist fundamentalist state, what democracy has separate rules based on religion? who would support artificial measures to keep the us a fundamemtalist protestant state.

i dont see how biden admin can say a ceasefire is suddenly desirable yet the war was justified w/o admitting the purpose was to exterminate pals. why should bibi stop if he was originally right and hamas still exists? what did they think would happen.

Israel is basically the US of the KKK 1920s for Jews. But it has immense power, just like the KKK did at various times.

We can embrace its grip on American politics or repudiate it. But if our "Democratic" politicians continue to reveal themselves to be shills for Israel then they don't deserve support any more than Trump does.

No, Israel is not the 21st century equivalent of “1920s KKK for Jews” - whatever that means and despite what radicals have been brainwashed to believe. Israel is a soveirgn state with a right to defend itself against its homicidal, religious extremist neighbors. People like you are constantly rewriting Israel’s history to change the narrative and it’s grossly veiled antisemitism, which the DNC as a party rejects but still exists on its fringes. Thankfully it’s not mainstream and primary by primary, is being rejected by Democratic voters overall. So go ahead and don’t vote because you don’t support both Palestinian self determination AND Israeli self defense. The not voting approach panned out great for Bernie bros in 2016.